Democratic peoples republic of Korea - Yours attitude towrds [Archive]

oki

27th May 2002, 13:35

in N korea the people are kept dum in a way you wouldn't believe.on the leaders birthday,a huge group of birds landed in a field,and bowed their heads in houner of the man.in a tree an nscription appeared that discribes his greatness.when he died,all trees in a certain province lost their leafs.bullshit like this is fed to the people on a daily bases,and since there is no other info whatshowever,90 % of the people actually believes this.the secret servise is everywhere,if you are critical you get shot or put away in institutes,and tortured.if you visit the country as afoureigner,you get 2 agents with you that make sure you don't talk to anyone,exept who is approved.millions have died a starvation death in the country.the gouv.has done nothing.
N-korea is maybe the most repressive regieme of this time.the leaders are worshipped as gods.in museums you get story's of how US soldiers in the war killed thousants of babys and ate them.

Borincano

28th May 2002, 04:54

North Korea is an example of how a nation can go insane.

Nateddi

28th May 2002, 05:01

The PDRK has no aspects of communism whatsoever, its a sad thing. It wasn't even created through a revolution, rather, Soviet-instated post-WWII communist government; the people in other words were not ready nor specifically wanted communism. The PDRK is nothing short of an monorchial state-capitalist dictatorship. Kim Jonh Il does not give a bit of care about his people either, just loves watching his movies (true).

anarhosocijalist

28th May 2002, 20:17

Well I guess it is all true what are you saying. Seems nobody supports N.K. regime.

Needssomeconvincing

28th May 2002, 20:26

N.K is a really bad advertisment for communism. Do you know that there are no public telephon or post connections between it and South Korea.The regime is too harsh and needs an overhaul. Go to www.thepaperboy.com to read a N.K newspaper

Kez

28th May 2002, 21:17

I believe it is so extremist due to it becoming so alienated from the world

It wasnt Soviet instated, it was Chinese Communism after China became communist.

Gavin

29th May 2002, 10:56

Many people think that senior members of the North Korean government have actually come to believe the propaganda that has been drilled into them every day for the last 50 years. Blinded from reality they have come to believe that their country is a paradise.

North Korea will probably collapse and merge with the south in the same way that east germany disintegrated.

Pyongyang, May 28 (KCNA) -- A five-year-old child who had got 3rd degree burns on 78 per cent of his body was miraculously recovered at the Thongchon county people's hospital in Kangwon Province of the DPRK. His recovery was considered to be quite impossible from a medical point of view as his temperature was 40 degrees, pulse registered 160, breathing 70 and had most serious circulation depauperate, etc.
But the medical staff of the hospital held an emergency consultation and took urgent measures to save him under any circumstances.
People in the county visited the hospital and volunteered to donate blood, skin, bone and all other things necessary for his recovery.
Over ten rounds of skin grafting operations took place amid the deep concern of its population.
At least 1,400 people donated their blood and skin.
About 6,000 square centimeters of skin were transplanted on his body. And he received two liters of blood and a lot of sap.
He was thus completely recovered in two months.
This is a clear reminder of the true picture of the DPRK where all the people have become a great harmonious family.

but I have to sat, their propaganda is so unbelievable its almost funny. That story just makes me laugh, especially the "harmonious family bit"

I have heard of terrible human rights abuses in the DPRK, for instance a favorite "game" of some guards in their huge concentration camps is forcing a tube down a womans throat and pumping water into her. Then a plank is placed accross her stomach and jumped on to force the water back out. Whether this is true, I dont know, but the regime definately needs to go.

When the DPRK government re-wrote their constitution a few years ago, they romoved all reference to "marxism-leninism" and "communism", in fact you will never find a reference to any ideology apart from "juche" in their propaganda, apart from using "socialism" as a euthamism for "juche". They do not even claim to be communist.

anarhosocijalist

29th May 2002, 12:03

Yes i heard for that "Yuche" stuff, what does it mean??
Is it indipendence or something like that?

Gavin

30th May 2002, 14:57

Quote: from anarhosocijalist on 12:03 pm on May 29, 2002
Yes i heard for that "Yuche" stuff, what does it mean??
Is it indipendence or something like that?

yeah "juche", the state ideology, means "self reliance" which means the state has completely isolated itself from everyone else and become totally self-sufficient. at least accoring to them - its all bullshit because north korea was first financed by the ussr and china, and is now dependant on foreign aid (ironically from their all time enemy the usa and south korea)

basically "juche" is a more extreme, more isolationalist and more paranoid version of stalinism

Dhul Fiqar

31st May 2002, 18:24

I live in Northern China, and I'm deeply interested in North Korea. I plan to visit it within the next couple of years. While the regime is obviously incredibly sick and highly repulsive to us, we need to remember a few things before we advocate invasion or revolution there. I'm also studying to be a Social Scientist in university, so I'll try to provide some input from that angle.

While the revolution was funded by outsiders, 'revolutions' usually were in the latter half of the last century, and there was a huge Socialist movement in Korea. Just look at South Korean militant industrial action by workers today as an indication of the spirit and sense of justice the Korean people have in general.

Koreans are exceedingly propud of their identity, which has been largely shaped by thousands of years of seperateness and resistance to assimilation by their two humongously powerful neighbours; China and Japan. When Korea was invaded once again by Japan in the last century, and eventually colonized, the Korean society was split up and subjugated by a foreign invader. This weakening of national identity was the underlying cause for the civil war and revolution that followed. The fact that China suffered a similar fate contributed to the growing bond between them.

Lastly, I feel I must point out something which a man I know I know recently told me, he has spent months in N. Korea btw. He told me that traditionally, almost all the food consumed by Koreans was produced in the South of the country, and production was all done up North. Since this made the North dominant in terms of GDP contribution and wealth, they assumed they could do without the South. However, combining this with a philosophy of self-reliance is suicide, because N. Korea can NEVER produce enough food for the millions of people that live there, and it never has.

N. Korea's past has left them entirely unprepared for the inevitable future, a regime change. I think a sudden change would cause massive loss of identity, search for re-assertion of old values, with possibly terrible consequences for both North and South, I'm talking major social discohesion between the different schools of thought here! So the key here is slowly opening up, in my oppinion, and not any kind of further isolation or attempt at invasion or interferance. It could be interpreted in the worst way by innocent N. Koreans themselves, who have grown up with daily brainwashing broadcasts on the mandatory speakers in their homes, telling them that America is plotting to occupy Korea and kill them all.

So I urge caution...

--- G. Raven

MJM

31st May 2002, 23:23

I recently went to south korea, there's a lot of people there who aren't happy with the north and south being divided. There's also a lot of troops on the street and a few US bases to think about. All in all i think the Koreans were robbed of a chance to make a new start by the US intervention in the 1950s. The Communists had won the civil war, then the US invaded. Ever since the country has been split up. I think the US has no right to invove itself in any countries civil war.
That being said the system in the North seems very bad to me. I can't agree with a leaders son taking on the presidency after his father dies. There are similarities between this kind of shinanigins and the US version of democracy however.

ID2002

1st June 2002, 06:48

I support Socialism/ and true Communism. North Korea is massively oppressive! Its people are dying.
Reform is very much needed. A friend of mine was able to travel to North Korea via Ontaria on a special visitors permit. She came back with horror stories, and smuggled back a digital camera memory block. Lucky for her, the North Koreans never suspected her.
the pictures were just horrific. Kids been used as slaves in the munition factories, some with no hands or legs (blown off). If the children try to escape they are brutaly beaten or executed.
Really sick stuff!
...I could go on for hours...

(Edited by ID2002 at 6:54 am on June 1, 2002)

Borincano

2nd June 2002, 03:47

ID2002 ,

Do tell more. I am interested. Have you seen these pictures?

(Edited by Borincano at 9:49 pm on June 1, 2002)

oki

3rd June 2002, 15:17

I agree with duhl,if you'd open up N-korea at once,the place would explode.imagin you never had any info.about anything exept for what the gouv.chooses to tell you.(fairytales and rediculous lies,which are presented as facts.)your whole world would fade away....
ID2002,do tell more....

ID2002

3rd June 2002, 23:29

yes I have seen these pictures!
okay... while the pictures were given to Canadian Officals for analysis I can tell you that N. Korea as converted most of its Atomic Energy facilities into A and H-Bomb munition production. The Government is a Military dicatorship, and oppresses the people through massive amounts of propagnda. The children are subjected to unsafe, and unsanitary working conditions.

A few examples

1. one of these pictures shows a 12 year old child running away from a factory of some sort. Later she was thrown in jail and beaten. She later died from her injuries.

2. execution yards which are for the "weak". I don't know much about this one...but the Government was very clear on how it views those who can't simply keep up with work at a young age.

3. Little or no food...or crops space. So much has been polluted by arms manufacturing plants
(Mercury, Cadmium, Strontium 90, Uranium, Sellenium....etc)
PCB oils. Lots of unhealthy gas emmisions...Sulphur Dioxide, Ozone, Hydrogen Choride, Ammonia compounds... the list goes on.
There are areas where ALL life has been killed off...big areas of land which are black from decay...NOTHING grows there. It is really sad. I saw photos of these areas...and a someone using a Radiation detector which was reading "hot" or unsafe levels of radiation! My friend could only be exposed for 15 minutes MAX.

...just some ideas. N. Korea is a dangerous place!
plain and simple

Revolution Hero

4th June 2002, 08:59

I don't believe to that information. Many people do believe to what they are said. You can be told the horrible stories about Northern Korea by the news channels as CNN or BBC. But those channels are totally controled by the capitalistic governments. They talk shit about any communist country, to show the advantage of capitalism over communism.
Do you remember what they have talked about USSR? I am sure that there were not much of nice words.
Don't believe what you are told. Always analyse the information through the criticism.

I know that in Northern Korea people don't know the most popular word of capitalist countries, which is unemployment, because everyone work there. Those stories about poor children at the factoties are just fairy tails of capitalists. All children go to school and get the education.
Things are not that bad in there at all. I have seen the holiday celebrating in Northern Korea , I think it was the anniversary of it's first leader. All people were happy, and I haven't seen any sad faces.
By the way, people of Norther Korea are the most prominent communists. That what I have found out from the interviews of NK citizens.

Dhul Fiqar

4th June 2002, 17:35

You make good points Revolution Hero, but there are some things you must understand.

If you are let into N. Korea as a foreigner you get an escort, they take you to previously designated places and previously designated times and show you previously designated people who don't work in the fields normally and are getting a previousyl designated bonus for looking happy and praising the government that previously designated time particular day.

In other words, it's a script, and they hire actors. I know a Canadian man who has spent a total of nearly two years in North Korea as a diplomat, though in the form of many stays lasting about a couple of weeks each. He told me he basically sees N. Korea as the worlds largest cult, with their dead letaer Kim Il Sung as their God. The newspapers carry regular news of major storms and natural disasters which were stopped at the last minute by his disembodied spirit.
People in the cities all have to have a speaker in their homes, though usually it's in the stairway in large appartment blocks, and these broadcast loud messages at what I think was around 6-7am. These went along the lines of "You are living in a socialist paradise!! Our enemies want to destroy our paradise!!" etc. etc.

The sad thing is the people believe the outside world hates them like the plague and are so inferior they are barely the same race. People would accost this aforementioned Canadian in the streets, spit at him, run away or turn away in loud and apparent disgust if he came near them. This was in an area he only got to because he was a diplomat and had a fairly liberal escort that time.

Everyon has a secret service escort everywhere they go btw.

So while I don't advocate interferance beyond engagement and opening the people up to the outside world, I think the government is far from being communist and/or righteous.

Oh, and their present leader is a dwarf who wears high heels in public and makes the worst movies you'll EVER see if you look them up. He kidnapped a director for months and kept him in his house to talk about movies whenever he felt like it. A toatl weirdo.

Contrast this with Kim Il Sung's unusually large stature (by Korean standards) and undeniable presence. His son is a twerp, who built the largest hotel in the world crooked so no elevators work and won't allow foreigners, tourist or otherwise, anywhere near the thing anyway. It's as phony as a Hollywood set, everything there. Some day I'll tell you about the stores that have been empty for 20 years, pretending to sell western goods but have no staff beyond cleaning workers, the mostly empty boxes being from the eighties anyways.

-- G. Raven

Revolution Hero

4th June 2002, 19:17

Northern Korea chooses the politics of isolation not because the things inside the country are that bad, but because there are so many enemies around.
Also the dictatorship regime is everywhere accepted form of governing the state in the certain and specific situations.
Northern Korea have to be always ready to defend itself and people of Northern Korea have to keep that in mind. NK have the strong army, which is important in their case.
USA still fights socialism. It fights against Cuba, it will fight against Northern Korea . USA have already bought some Chinese politicians and have defeated communism in China.
Northern Korea still is the socialist state and I hope it will reach communism sometime.
Better have that kind of socialism, than capitalism. Socialism where people work for the state= for themselves, is not the capitalism where people work for the boss.

ID2002

5th June 2002, 01:23

I saw the pictures. They looked horrific. Kids are being used as SLAVES and are treated like dirt! MASS executions etc* Pure and simple. She was SHOCKED!
By the way...my friend is a STRONG socialist supporter and has friends in the Communist Party of Canada.

I really don't think she would lie to me about what she had seen

(Edited by ID2002 at 1:24 am on June 5, 2002)

Borincano

5th June 2002, 04:49

Revolution Hero,

Where do you get your "facts" from? Just interested, because you seem to be a support of N. Korea's regime that will never reach communism, because the gov't like to have control over the people.

Needssomeconvincing

5th June 2002, 20:56

Revolution Hero, NK isn't a socialist country, its a dictatorship. A proper socialist should be able to have free press and elections and still remain socialist. A socialist country shouldn't have to force itself on the majority of the people.

oki

6th June 2002, 12:52

rev.hero,don't protect a facist state just because they call themself sosialist.it makes sosialism look bad.

Gavin

6th June 2002, 20:49

The DPRK is a land of contradictions. It is neither Democratic, nor does it belong to the people (well, it belongs to one person)

The DPRK is in fact very similar to Nazi Germany - showing just how similar fascism and stalinism are. North Korea is a corrupt, brutal and repressive dictatorship hiding behind a mask of propaganda and a huge personality cult.

Nobody in their right mind could support this regime, especially the left-wing people on here. A capitalist government (which i'm sure will happen after a while) will be much, much better for the people of the DPRK than the current mess of a government they have.

Revolution Hero

6th June 2002, 21:47

First of all, I protect COMMUNISM, and not North Korea particularly. NK is the communist state , it's not fascist.
I've seen the report of the independent news agency about North Korea. I have made the conclusion that all people support the regime. Well, you say it is harsh totalitarian, it is in terms of having one party, but if all people support it, then it is democratic.
And OKI, go and learn what is fascism and what is communism.
Needsomeconvincing, theoretically you are right. But if all people support any kind of regime it becomes democratic, not considering other dictatorial features of it. And why dictatorship can't be communistic? What about Cuba then? Castro is the dictator and the great communist!!! Dictatorhip of the PROLETARIAT! tHAT IS HOW i CALL IT! That's how Engels have called Paris Commune...
And, the last one, GAVIN, I am communist and I support the regime, because it is communistic. It is not fascism, nor stalinism. You are all mistaken. North Korea 's government don't exploit it's people. People work for themselves and for their own good...
ANY COMMENTS???

Gavin

7th June 2002, 20:14

I would say that Revolution Hero's judgement has been affected by pro-DPRK propaganda.

North Korea is a self-confessed Stalinist state. You cannot deny that. Why else would they refer to Stalin as "great comrade" and have huge pictures of him alongside their own leaders? Stalin installed the regime and it had barely changed in the last 50 years.

If you believe the propaganda, then yes, North Korea is a socialist worker's paradise where the workers control everything and work for the common good under the wise guidance of their supreme leader, the ultimate worker. But this is just a fantasy, anyone on the outside can see this.

I would say that nobody inside north korea actively supports the regime, they are just afraid to say otherwise. That and they've never know any other sort of government. Criticism of the regime = death, as simple as that.

Revolution Hero

8th June 2002, 08:57

I am not the victim of so called " North Korean propaganda". How Will I get that propaganda being in the different point of the globe?
I have expressed my opinion. And I respect yours. You can think whatever you are thinking , but your thought and simple words will not change the reality.
You never can be definitely sure, saying that people make just an illusion of supporting the regime. You can make a hypothesis , which is not prooved by the facts. But the fact is that people support the regime of their country.
We have only some communist states left in our modern world. And we - COMMUNISTS, have to stand defending them and not attacking.

Revolution Hero

8th June 2002, 08:57

anarhosocijalist

8th June 2002, 10:06

www.geocities.com/che2site/kissqsm.jpg

oki

8th June 2002, 20:59

the people of N-korea have no choice.if you speak out openly that youre agaist it or even say that some thing there are wrong,you get picked up by the sectret service and tortured,re-educated or shot.when I say facist,I mean that they use exactly the same ways facists do.you support communism but only the term communism,no matter what the hell they do to the people.if neonazi's start calling themself communists,will you support them too?

Gavin

10th June 2002, 18:57

revolution hero, you can get pro-DPRK propaganda off the internet

www.korea-dpr.com
www.kimsoft.com
www.kcna.co.jp

to name but a few

as for the few remaining so-called "communist" states, I want nothing to do with them. They are a discrace to the name of communism and only serve to oppress their people and abuse a peaceful, just ideology to place the power in the hands of a few old-time dictators.

anarhosocijalist

10th June 2002, 19:53

Look at the picture at:www.geocities.com/che2site/kissqsm.jpg (http://www.geocities.com/che2site/kissqsm.jpg)
I think it is neat ,it shows impresive arhitecture that can only egzist in the highly developed societis.
Do you think it is all fake and "Hollywood" ?

anarhosocijalist

10th June 2002, 20:07

Sorry ,link isnt working. I dont know why
Anyway it is cool picture.

anarhosocijalist

10th June 2002, 20:11

Here is the trick if you want to see my picture.
Go to http://www.geocities.com/che2site/che1.gif
Now in your explorer Adress line delete "che1.gif" and replace it with "kissqsm.jpg". It should work.
I know it is stupid, but it works.

Valkyrie

10th June 2002, 21:53

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/10/internat...nt&position=top (http://www.nytimes.com/2002/06/10/international/asia/10KORE.html?pagewanted=print&position=top)

Gavin

11th June 2002, 21:05

Quote: from anarhosocijalist on 7:53 pm on June 10, 2002
Look at the picture at:www.geocities.com/che2site/kissqsm.jpg (http://www.geocities.com/che2site/kissqsm.jpg)
I think it is neat ,it shows impresive arhitecture that can only egzist in the highly developed societis.
Do you think it is all fake and "Hollywood" ?

Yes, the DPRK has some rather impressive buildings and monuments, nobody is doubting that.

And they get more impressive than the one you showed.

http://www.simonbone.com/thongil.jpeg

http://www.simonbone.com/gtleadr2.jpeg

http://www.simonbone.com/juche.jpeg

http://www.simonbone.com/kisbild.jpeg

http://www.travel-library.com/asia/north_k...orea/NKOR13.JPG (http://www.travel-library.com/asia/north_korea/NKOR13.JPG)

(a big picture of the "105 building")

http://www.travel-library.com/asia/north_k...korea/NKOR9.JPG (http://www.travel-library.com/asia/north_korea/NKOR9.JPG)

http://www.travel-library.com/asia/north_k...orea/NKOR17.JPG (http://www.travel-library.com/asia/north_korea/NKOR17.JPG)

Impressive yes, but that doesn't mean the regime is just.

http://german.lss.wisc.edu/ger278/Berlin%2...%20entrance.jpg (http://german.lss.wisc.edu/ger278/Berlin%20Architecture%20Images/Olympic%20entrance.jpg)

This is also a damn impressive building and who was it built by? I'll let you guess.

Gavin

11th June 2002, 22:11

That last picture, the billboard of Kim Il Sung - whats he doing with his arm? Who have you seen raise their arm in that way before?

oki

12th June 2002, 20:45

well that sais it all ,that arm.....

Borincano

13th June 2002, 03:14

Yes Gavin, but those of pictures of their propoganda and monuments to their communist society. The reality of the majority of the people in their neighborhoods and homes is much less impressive due to the inefficiency of the gov't.

Gavin

14th June 2002, 12:48

Quote: from Borincano on 3:14 am on June 13, 2002
Yes Gavin, but those of pictures of their propoganda and monuments to their communist society. The reality of the majority of the people in their neighborhoods and homes is much less impressive due to the inefficiency of the gov't.

You misunderstand me. That is exactly what I am trying to say. Just because there is some impressive buildings made by SLAVES, it doesnt mean the country is good. Most people live in wooden shacks and starve to death.

Dhul Fiqar

15th June 2002, 17:07

LOL, it's easy and cheap as hell to create a couple of nice neighbourhoods to take people too, my Canadian friend was taken to many such places. He was even taken to some big buildings that had no occupants, shown a the highest hotel in the world which was so crooked no elevators would work would never be used anyway because few tourists are admitted. He was taken to stores that sold 80's We$tern goods (this was in the late 90's) and had no customers or staff beyond the secret service agents who escorted him around the samples but declined to allow him in the "warehouse".

What I'm saying is I could make it look like I was personally running a thriving civilization on Mars if I had the right budget, people who have been to North Korea tell a different story about the places where they were taken, that they felt like Hollywood sets.

The first time the aforementioned Canadian ventured outside of the second-by-second pre-prepared program (with a secret service guide and severe travel limitation though, of course) he encountered a great deal of hostility and misery. The hostility was from the starving citizens who believed he was an evil emmisary of the evil capitalist forces, come to take away the little they had because the rest of the world is starving. You should read the North Korean official newspaper, I do just about every week, it has stories of their dead leader stopping deadly storms before they materialized and of famine in South Korea and how they are improving boarder defences to prevent an exodus to the North.

These are not the actions of a communist government.

--- G. Raven

(Edited by Dhul Fiqar at 1:17 am on June 16, 2002)

Gavin

17th June 2002, 11:09

yeah i do sometimes look at north korean media (or listen to it) and its disturbing to say the least, although quite amusing sometimes as well. they carry the storm story amost every week!

Borincano

18th June 2002, 03:30

Gavin, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Oh, and could you direct me to a website with the Korean propoganda news you wrote of? Is it translated into English? Thanks.

Gavin

19th June 2002, 14:38

Quote: from Borincano on 3:30 am on June 18, 2002
Gavin, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Oh, and could you direct me to a website with the Korean propoganda news you wrote of? Is it translated into English? Thanks.

there is an english language newspaper in the DPRK called the Pyongyang Times that is published every day (I think) - it has a website but due to it being hosted in Japan and stuff its only updated once every few weeks:

http://www.times.dprkorea.com/

A better source of up-to-date noth korean propaganda/news is the Korean Central News Agency website:

http://www.kcna.co.jp

It is updated nearly every day, although it always has the previous days news on it.

All in English btw

If you're interested in their propaganda you should try and tune into their sw radio station 'Voice of Korea', I did a few months ago and it feels like you've gone back in time 50 years!

anarhosocijalist

19th June 2002, 16:38

I heard for that station..
Do you maybe know the frekvency?

Gavin

19th June 2002, 16:44

Quote: from anarhosocijalist on 4:38 pm on June 19, 2002
I heard for that station..
Do you maybe know the frekvency?

http://www.bclnews.it/a02schedules/korea.htm

that shows the frequencys for western europe.

i'm not sure how good reception you will get though. I got only-just good enough to listen to reception, but I was using a 20 year old cheap radio as well!

oh but first go to:

http://www.intervalsignals.net/countries/k...korea_north.htm (http://www.intervalsignals.net/countries/korea_north.htm)

and click on voice of korea. that plays the music that plays on the hour before every broadcast so you will recognise it when trying to find it on the radio

(Edited by Gavin at 4:45 pm on June 19, 2002)

maoist3

5th August 2002, 07:00

This is a difficult topic considering our very poor
media and the fact that N. Korea is rightfully
afraid of letting in Westerners to spy on them.
N. Korea is facing 37,000 U.$. troops across the
border and is still technically at a state of war with
the united $tates.

Unless you are going to do a whole lot of investigation,
I'd suggest holding off on this subject until after the
people succeed in getting u.$. troops out of Korea.
Then we can see what happens.

We at MIM have a lot of ideological history in connection
to northern Korea, so here is our link, a very difficult
one to understand though, I warn you:

http://www.etext.org/Politics/MIM/wim/wyl/juche.html

ComradeJunichi

5th August 2002, 23:18

I do not support the North Korean regime, for it is not a communist state, nor a socialist one. Kim Jung il, as his father Kim Il Sung, has complete control. Food is not always given to the people, military is fed.

The split between the North and South is ridiculous. As I have stated before, the North needs the South and the South needs the North. The North has the military and the South has all the farmland. If you look at North Korea there is almost no farmland.

Many people in the South want a united Korea.

It's also amazing how Korea lasted 5000 years, between two powerful nations; China and Japan.