Thoughts on the 'real' Che?

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0374569/board/nest/3656395

What do u all think of this person's entry?

I personally understand what he/she is saying about Che. And i'm not sure how most here would react had this happen to any one of you.

[Oldergod]

duh...of course Che was a murderer...so was john kerry, george washington, San Martin, Nelson Mandela, even pat tillman...who are we to say he isnt a hero because he killed people...of course Che killed people...HE WAS A GUERRILLA WARRIOR...he was his job to kill people...read his book...he tells you HOW TO KILL PEOPLE

dont make this an obvious discussion...do i feel bad about his 2 and 5 year old grandparents that happen to know each other for that long and experienced Che's threat at the same time and HAPPENED to remember it was Che?....maybe...but during war there are always victims...those who dont understand that should stay far away from war

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

Yeah, I'm sure you wouldn't be saying that if it happened to you man...

That he was a guerilla fighter does not give his actions to this person's grandparents any justice. He stormed in, demanded a place to stay, or else the ppl would've been killed. I dunno about you but that seems like terror.

I'm not expecting this guy to be 100% good...but this act is inexcusable regardless if you're a guerilla fighter or not.

[Oldergod]

imma call this story bullshit on some parts...first of all...how is it that his grandparents were 2 and 5 and still remember who Che was? and how old could his grandparents possibly be?

in a book that che wrote...he writes the importance of knowing the area around you and being friendly to the locals around you for they could be valuable to the revolution...so why would he go around threatening 5 year old boys? dont you think he was alittle more occupied with fighting the government?


im going to tell you why he wouldnt have done such a thing as "demand a place to say or else the people would've been killed"...because he trusted the bolivian people with his own life...so much so that it actually costed his life (died in bolivia)..you gotta look at it that way...and that shows the character he was with all of latin america, africa and asia...

[red_ale]

I'm going to agree with Oldergod. That story does sound like bullshit. I barley remember what I did 5 weeks ago. I don't know about you guys but I have no memories what so ever from when I was 2 to 3 years old.

[DaCuBaN]

To clarify, some people seem to be misreading this 'rant'


The man personally threatened to kill my grandparents, mother, and aunt (who were 2 and 5 years old at the time)

that's four people, two ages listed. Presumably the story was handed down from the grandparents to 'mother' and 'aunt', meaning it could quite easily be altered along the way. We'll never know.

What is undeniable is that Che was a killer - but he was also a doctor. We can only assume from what information we have available that his actions were not intended maliciously.

[h&s]

I've seen that before. I rekon that his story does have truth to it, but it has probably been exaggerated a lot over the years. If you read Guerilla Warfare, che says that forcing people to let the guerillas stay was only done in emergencies. The thing about shooting the servant is most probably as real as Santa Clause/ the Easter Bunny / the toothfairy / god.
Anyway, that guy is obviously middle-class. Should we care about him?

[CubanFox]

Che, as a person, was actually a complete wanker. Have no illusions that he was at all a pleasant man.

[NovelGentry]

I have strong reason to believe this story was not only exaggerated but could have been a fabrication completely made up by this peron's grandparents, passed to the parents (who would have been two young to remember first hand), and then to her. There's other things that make it even extremely quesitonable if it was heard direct 2 days after it happened.... Che brings up on several occasions in his writings on the Cuban revolution that one of the techniques uses by the Batists Regime to break support for the Guerrilla's was to wreak havok pretending to be them. I'm not saying this is what happened, but it's just one more thing to think about. Also I'm guessing that this persons position in Miami among thousands of anti-castro Cubans (the majority of which are part of the revolution generation) doesn't help their mindset in general.

hammer&sickleforever, I'm middle class, should you care about me?

[Anarchist Freedom]

im middle class soo what?

i agre with novel gentry this story eems like a load of shit i hear stories like this all the time from kids who are cuban. Hell i know a girl whos parents appearently met che and i asked her how old are they and she said 40 and i said um thats not possible for you to have met che during the revolution and she was like shut up and ran away lol.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

I seem to see a lot of ppl thinking this story to be exaggerated.

To that...I don't know at all. However, I wouldn't think this story to be false either. There've been many bad encounters people have had with Che. To that we should at least acknowledge.

[NovelGentry]

Yes... many many people. Almost a whole battalion of corrupt army officials, traitors, murderers, rapists.... they all had very VERY bad encounters with Che.

[Hate Is Art]

How many times do we have to hear this same ol BS before it goes away.

[h&s]

im middle class soo what?
Bad phrasing, I should have put upper-class. This guy had servants, which is just so wrong.

[Wiesty]

he cant of be that much of an ass, his local nickname was che which was slang for pal

[che's long lost daughter]

I think someone has already posted this link in the past and there have been more of these propagandas against (is that paradox or what :D) Che coming out. We know some of them might be true and some of them not. We cannot compare the things Che did for the revolution to his alleged killings. And if ever he did kill some people, I think he needed to do that, and that doesn't make him any less of a hero of the revolution.

[che's long lost daughter]

I think someone has already posted this link in the past and there have been more of these propagandas against (is that paradox or what :D) Che coming out. We know some of them might be true and some of them not. We cannot compare the things Che did for the revolution to his alleged killings. And if ever he did kill some people, I think he needed to do that, and that doesn't make him any less of a hero of the revolution.

[che's long lost daughter]

I think someone has already posted this link in the past and there have been more of these propagandas against (is that paradox or what :D) Che coming out. We know some of them might be true and some of them not. We cannot compare the things Che did for the revolution to his alleged killings. And if ever he did kill some people, I think he needed to do that, and that doesn't make him any less of a hero of the revolution.

[ComradeChris]

Somebody pointed out the fact the family had servants ( which I didn't notice until I read it again lol). Just be thankful they didn't live in Russia during the revolution. A rich family like that wouldn't only have been threatened death, but probably would have received it.

Also, it's a common warfare tactic to demand food and shelter from the country you're warring against. I also agree, you're at war. Somebody on either side is going to threaten you. Whether it was Batista or Castro's forces. In a revolutionary war, that's going to happen.

[ComradeChris]

Somebody pointed out the fact the family had servants ( which I didn't notice until I read it again lol). Just be thankful they didn't live in Russia during the revolution. A rich family like that wouldn't only have been threatened death, but probably would have received it.

Also, it's a common warfare tactic to demand food and shelter from the country you're warring against. I also agree, you're at war. Somebody on either side is going to threaten you. Whether it was Batista or Castro's forces. In a revolutionary war, that's going to happen.

[ComradeChris]

Somebody pointed out the fact the family had servants ( which I didn't notice until I read it again lol). Just be thankful they didn't live in Russia during the revolution. A rich family like that wouldn't only have been threatened death, but probably would have received it.

Also, it's a common warfare tactic to demand food and shelter from the country you're warring against. I also agree, you're at war. Somebody on either side is going to threaten you. Whether it was Batista or Castro's forces. In a revolutionary war, that's going to happen.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

don't give me that bullshit about 'it was needed'. Oh please...

So, if American troops came into your house and said 'we need to crash here for the night, and if u dont let us in, we'll kill you'...you're going to willingly put down a welcome mat and say 'be my friggin guest'?!

If anyone, American, Che, or whoever stormed into my crib and said something like that...I'd totally defend my family if they even tried the slightest thing. I dont know about you, but my house isn't some place for ppl just to barge in like that.

It was needed? It's so easy for you to say that...you weren't in the position firstly, and the storytelling does not fully give justice to the amount of terror that family was probably going through while the entire ordeal happened.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

don't give me that bullshit about 'it was needed'. Oh please...

So, if American troops came into your house and said 'we need to crash here for the night, and if u dont let us in, we'll kill you'...you're going to willingly put down a welcome mat and say 'be my friggin guest'?!

If anyone, American, Che, or whoever stormed into my crib and said something like that...I'd totally defend my family if they even tried the slightest thing. I dont know about you, but my house isn't some place for ppl just to barge in like that.

It was needed? It's so easy for you to say that...you weren't in the position firstly, and the storytelling does not fully give justice to the amount of terror that family was probably going through while the entire ordeal happened.

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

don't give me that bullshit about 'it was needed'. Oh please...

So, if American troops came into your house and said 'we need to crash here for the night, and if u dont let us in, we'll kill you'...you're going to willingly put down a welcome mat and say 'be my friggin guest'?!

If anyone, American, Che, or whoever stormed into my crib and said something like that...I'd totally defend my family if they even tried the slightest thing. I dont know about you, but my house isn't some place for ppl just to barge in like that.

It was needed? It's so easy for you to say that...you weren't in the position firstly, and the storytelling does not fully give justice to the amount of terror that family was probably going through while the entire ordeal happened.

[NovelGentry]

So, if American troops came into your house and said 'we need to crash here for the night, and if u dont let us in, we'll kill you'...you're going to willingly put down a welcome mat and say 'be my friggin guest'?!

No, but then again they serve capitalism. If revolutionary troops asked that I'd be more than happy. Assuming these people were against the revoltuion (and I can only assume that means they weren't working class) then it is a position where they're obviously not going to want to. But you're asking us if we think it's right, and we're communists, so we do.


If anyone, American, Che, or whoever stormed into my crib and said something like that...I'd totally defend my family if they even tried the slightest thing. I dont know about you, but my house isn't some place for ppl just to barge in like that.

Wouldn't be an issue if you wanted to help them.


It was needed? It's so easy for you to say that...you weren't in the position firstly, and the storytelling does not fully give justice to the amount of terror that family was probably going through while the entire ordeal happened.

No, I wasn't in their position, and I question whether her family was in that position or whether it was some anti revolution shit the person's anti-castro grandparents made up. They could have been going through a lot less terror too assuming it is false or exaggerated. Their terror should be no more than is deserved by their exploitation of the working class. Why is it soo bad for these people to have their lives imposed on when their bourgoiesie lifestyle probably imposed on a number of lives of working class individuals? Furthermore, one thing that makes me question this even further is that supposedly Che shot the servent... why shoot the worker? Seriously this story makes no sense if you had any true understanding of the man.

[NovelGentry]

So, if American troops came into your house and said 'we need to crash here for the night, and if u dont let us in, we'll kill you'...you're going to willingly put down a welcome mat and say 'be my friggin guest'?!

No, but then again they serve capitalism. If revolutionary troops asked that I'd be more than happy. Assuming these people were against the revoltuion (and I can only assume that means they weren't working class) then it is a position where they're obviously not going to want to. But you're asking us if we think it's right, and we're communists, so we do.


If anyone, American, Che, or whoever stormed into my crib and said something like that...I'd totally defend my family if they even tried the slightest thing. I dont know about you, but my house isn't some place for ppl just to barge in like that.

Wouldn't be an issue if you wanted to help them.


It was needed? It's so easy for you to say that...you weren't in the position firstly, and the storytelling does not fully give justice to the amount of terror that family was probably going through while the entire ordeal happened.

No, I wasn't in their position, and I question whether her family was in that position or whether it was some anti revolution shit the person's anti-castro grandparents made up. They could have been going through a lot less terror too assuming it is false or exaggerated. Their terror should be no more than is deserved by their exploitation of the working class. Why is it soo bad for these people to have their lives imposed on when their bourgoiesie lifestyle probably imposed on a number of lives of working class individuals? Furthermore, one thing that makes me question this even further is that supposedly Che shot the servent... why shoot the worker? Seriously this story makes no sense if you had any true understanding of the man.

[NovelGentry]

So, if American troops came into your house and said 'we need to crash here for the night, and if u dont let us in, we'll kill you'...you're going to willingly put down a welcome mat and say 'be my friggin guest'?!

No, but then again they serve capitalism. If revolutionary troops asked that I'd be more than happy. Assuming these people were against the revoltuion (and I can only assume that means they weren't working class) then it is a position where they're obviously not going to want to. But you're asking us if we think it's right, and we're communists, so we do.


If anyone, American, Che, or whoever stormed into my crib and said something like that...I'd totally defend my family if they even tried the slightest thing. I dont know about you, but my house isn't some place for ppl just to barge in like that.

Wouldn't be an issue if you wanted to help them.


It was needed? It's so easy for you to say that...you weren't in the position firstly, and the storytelling does not fully give justice to the amount of terror that family was probably going through while the entire ordeal happened.

No, I wasn't in their position, and I question whether her family was in that position or whether it was some anti revolution shit the person's anti-castro grandparents made up. They could have been going through a lot less terror too assuming it is false or exaggerated. Their terror should be no more than is deserved by their exploitation of the working class. Why is it soo bad for these people to have their lives imposed on when their bourgoiesie lifestyle probably imposed on a number of lives of working class individuals? Furthermore, one thing that makes me question this even further is that supposedly Che shot the servent... why shoot the worker? Seriously this story makes no sense if you had any true understanding of the man.

[Subversive Pessimist]

More fabrication and propaganda from the folks in Miami. I won't believe this story, pure and simple. Che did kill people. He even executed people personally. But he was generally nice to prisoners of war, taking their clothes and equipment off and releasing them, even though the chances was that they might as well join the army, again. Sometimes he even didn't shoot at soldiers that were young and were conscripted into the army. This was Che, not the guy who was supposed to threathen to kill grandparents and kids.

[Subversive Pessimist]

More fabrication and propaganda from the folks in Miami. I won't believe this story, pure and simple. Che did kill people. He even executed people personally. But he was generally nice to prisoners of war, taking their clothes and equipment off and releasing them, even though the chances was that they might as well join the army, again. Sometimes he even didn't shoot at soldiers that were young and were conscripted into the army. This was Che, not the guy who was supposed to threathen to kill grandparents and kids.

[Subversive Pessimist]

More fabrication and propaganda from the folks in Miami. I won't believe this story, pure and simple. Che did kill people. He even executed people personally. But he was generally nice to prisoners of war, taking their clothes and equipment off and releasing them, even though the chances was that they might as well join the army, again. Sometimes he even didn't shoot at soldiers that were young and were conscripted into the army. This was Che, not the guy who was supposed to threathen to kill grandparents and kids.

[sim22]

this is an argument i have with one of my friends all the time, she calls che a murderer and a terrorist, but i tell her that he was in a war, he had to kill people, my grandpa fought in world war 2, he killed people, is my grandpa a terrorist??? he may have killed people, but i loved him!! i dont believe what this person wrote, as well, i've read most of the messages on that site, and my god they bag che so badley!!! so i assume it to be just another thing against che!

[sim22]

this is an argument i have with one of my friends all the time, she calls che a murderer and a terrorist, but i tell her that he was in a war, he had to kill people, my grandpa fought in world war 2, he killed people, is my grandpa a terrorist??? he may have killed people, but i loved him!! i dont believe what this person wrote, as well, i've read most of the messages on that site, and my god they bag che so badley!!! so i assume it to be just another thing against che!

[sim22]

this is an argument i have with one of my friends all the time, she calls che a murderer and a terrorist, but i tell her that he was in a war, he had to kill people, my grandpa fought in world war 2, he killed people, is my grandpa a terrorist??? he may have killed people, but i loved him!! i dont believe what this person wrote, as well, i've read most of the messages on that site, and my god they bag che so badley!!! so i assume it to be just another thing against che!

[encore]

"It's called "Social Darwinism" and it's natures way of selection."

Hehehehehe. I like that. It almost justifies Social Darwinism..