can't bealive this

[Mr. White]

found this, tried to read it.

Che guevara: Assassin anf blumbler (http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/2/23/171252.shtml)

please post your thoughts on this.

[Wiesty]

god i wish death threats are legal/

they say krisitnach was a death toll of like 71
it was a lot more i can assure u

[Intifada]

Until I see evidence for some of those claims, the article is a load of unsubstantiated bullshit.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

I felt the need to write this e-mail to the holier-than-thou Humberto Fontova:

Mr. Fontova, I refer to your article I read on NewsMax.com on February 23rd 2004 entitled, "Che Guevara: Assassin and Bumbler".


How do you explain Che's victory at Santa Clara if "in actual combat, his imbecilities defy belief" and if he was "epically stupid"? And before you say it, it is all too easy to say that "it was all down to Camilo". The victory at Santa Clara cut Cuba in half allowing for the rebel army to come to their victory.

And if he was "epically stupid", how do you explain Che Guevara's ability to rouse people from the Americas to Africa into making a stand and fighting for their freedoms? Not just after his death, but during his life. His help in introducing people the world over to the cause for their problems helped liberation movements everywhere, even if he didn't take part in them himself.

As for your extracts from Che's writing that you suggest were mind-numbing; if you had any knowledge of what he was talking about, you'd see they made complete sense. You can pick an extract out of anything and it will make no sense. You throw those quotes in your article without explaining the context they were written in or even mentioning what they were about. How are people meant to understand them if you twist them in this way?

"Food, drink, good cheer, bonhomie, roistering, fellowship – Guevara recoiled from these like Dracula from a cross"

Incorrect.

Food - Again, if you'd read enough about Che Guevara to feel as though you could write an article on him, you'd know he was very, very fond of Argentine beef.

Drink - So he didn't drink.... this is bad, why? And if you care so much to criticise a man for not touching one of the vices in this world, and suggest that it would be right to do so, then Che smoked tobacco incessantly after going to Cuba.

Fellowship - You've not read the parts about Che and Camilo, Che and Fidel and Che and Pombo? You've not read the actual book which provided the basis for the film you criticise, "The Motorcycle Diaries"? He travelled around Latin America with Alberto Granado, a very close friend. I take it you have not heard of him if you write these lies.

Roistering - I believe a definition of the word roistering is:
"To engage in boisterous merrymaking; revel noisily.
To behave in a blustering manner; swagger."
Yet you call Che "monumentally vain". Which do you want him to be? Roisterous or not? You should've made up your mind on that before contradicting yourself so stupidly in this article.

You write about how Che went to Bolivia for a near impossible mission. I'm sure there is enough evidence to argue that the Bolivian mission was very unlikely to succeed. "I've called him cowardly", you wrote. So, let me recap, you call a man who embarked on a mission, to free the opressed people in a country, which was nearly impossible, a "coward"? You do, indeed, have a strange way of thinking, Mr. Fontova.

Must I really answer your ludicrous claim that Che Guevara "never fought in a guerrilla war"? You mention it so many times to make out his "cowardice", so surely you have heard of the Cuban Revolutionary war. Again, if you have felt the need to write an article like this, you have obviously read books, yes? I again assume that you skipped the pages which talked about the battles Che led and fought in during the Revolutionary war. You've clearly also never read the bits about the battles in Bolivia which were headed by the CIA-backed Bolivian army.

"I defy anyone to actually finish a Guevara book". Those of us who do finish those books are filled with an enthusiasm to try and change the dispicable world we live in. I cannot imagine the amount of people who have been encouraged by learning about Che to stand up and fight against injustices throughout the world. For all the people you mentioned that were killed by the (just) firing squads, I ask you why didn't you mention the amount of people saved from a torrid life of poverty without any kind of education or health care. Che fought a war and worked as one of the main men in a government which provided these things for these people. I ask you why you didn't mention the amount of people influended by Che to make a stand against gross injustices and imperialism amongst their own people. Because without mentioning these people, Mr. Fontova, you cannot expect your writings, such as the glorious fabrication of the truth that I speak of, to get any credibility whatsoever.


I will post here his reply, if I get one.

[Oldergod]

im not going to involve myself in this retarded act...but one line bothered the hell out of me


"This is a revolution! And a revolutionary must become a cold killing machine motivated by pure hate."


sorry...im a revolutionary motivated by pure love...anyone on this site that is motivated by pure hate should leave...because you are not a revolutionary..


revolution is made by love for people...not hatred for others...

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Not entirely true I'm afraid.

Yes, the quality that stands out in a revolutionary must be love and one must have heart for man. However, hatred is the next most important thing.

After we have, with this love, thought of what we want to do, the people we want to help and the world we want to create, we must then fill ourselves with hate for our enemy and either make them realise their wrongdoings, show remorse and signal their intent to create a good change, or watch them die.

It is an idea as old as any other, but put forward by Che in his own words as (and forgive any translation faults), "Without hatred a people cannot vanquish a brutal enemy".

Of course the revolutionary must have love, but as a close second to love, we must have a burning hate for enemies of the freedom of the people.

[Oldergod]

i understand that and believe that to be true as well...but im using words from the quote...and it directly says "pure hate"...pure hate means zero love...and love is the most important thing

[Anarchist Freedom]

man this guy and people like him are douches deluxe.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Not suprisingly, Senor Fontova hasn't replied to my e-mail as yet.

[fernando]

Originally posted by Socialsmo o [email protected] 23 2004, 04:36 PM
Not suprisingly, Senor Fontova hasn't replied to my e-mail as yet.
Where is this Senor Fontova from? He sounds like a traitor...

[fernando]

Originally posted by Socialsmo o [email protected] 23 2004, 04:36 PM
Not suprisingly, Senor Fontova hasn't replied to my e-mail as yet.
Where is this Senor Fontova from? He sounds like a traitor...

[fernando]

Originally posted by Socialsmo o [email protected] 23 2004, 04:36 PM
Not suprisingly, Senor Fontova hasn't replied to my e-mail as yet.
Where is this Senor Fontova from? He sounds like a traitor...

[DaCuBaN]

if he was "epically stupid"

...How the hell did he qualify as a doctor?

[DaCuBaN]

if he was "epically stupid"

...How the hell did he qualify as a doctor?

[DaCuBaN]

if he was "epically stupid"

...How the hell did he qualify as a doctor?

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Another good point. I was too consumed with rage to argue completely all of his points.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Another good point. I was too consumed with rage to argue completely all of his points.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Another good point. I was too consumed with rage to argue completely all of his points.

[ComradeChris]

I agree with Socialsmo o Muerte's statement:

Yes, the quality that stands out in a revolutionary must be love and one must have heart for man. However, hatred is the next most important thing.

It's almost like a ying and yang effect. Look at pure fascist regimes: they constantly need to kill people to eliminate any insurgencies. And most fascist regimes have collapsed. If they showed the slightest bit of concern for the populice, then maybe they wouldn't have to constantly murder and threaten to maintain their power. They rely totally on hate. But, you can't have a revolution on a mass scale without hate for something. Or why revolt? If you don't hate something, then it must be alright.

[ComradeChris]

I agree with Socialsmo o Muerte's statement:

Yes, the quality that stands out in a revolutionary must be love and one must have heart for man. However, hatred is the next most important thing.

It's almost like a ying and yang effect. Look at pure fascist regimes: they constantly need to kill people to eliminate any insurgencies. And most fascist regimes have collapsed. If they showed the slightest bit of concern for the populice, then maybe they wouldn't have to constantly murder and threaten to maintain their power. They rely totally on hate. But, you can't have a revolution on a mass scale without hate for something. Or why revolt? If you don't hate something, then it must be alright.

[ComradeChris]

I agree with Socialsmo o Muerte's statement:

Yes, the quality that stands out in a revolutionary must be love and one must have heart for man. However, hatred is the next most important thing.

It's almost like a ying and yang effect. Look at pure fascist regimes: they constantly need to kill people to eliminate any insurgencies. And most fascist regimes have collapsed. If they showed the slightest bit of concern for the populice, then maybe they wouldn't have to constantly murder and threaten to maintain their power. They rely totally on hate. But, you can't have a revolution on a mass scale without hate for something. Or why revolt? If you don't hate something, then it must be alright.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Just been reading some more of wise-man Fontova's articles.

I have read about the Congo war and also read Che's diaries from it, and I never have read anything of this sort, as put forward by Mr. Fontova:

Together Mad Mike, Rip and the Cubans made short work of the alternately
Chinese and Soviet-backed "Simbas” of Laurent Kabila who were murdering,
raping and munching (many were cannibals) their way through the defenseless
Europeans still left in the recently abandoned Belgian colony.

Has this man just made a sweeping generalisation that all Africans in jungles are cannibals? Or is there truth behind that. If anyone knows, do please speak out.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Just been reading some more of wise-man Fontova's articles.

I have read about the Congo war and also read Che's diaries from it, and I never have read anything of this sort, as put forward by Mr. Fontova:

Together Mad Mike, Rip and the Cubans made short work of the alternately
Chinese and Soviet-backed "Simbas” of Laurent Kabila who were murdering,
raping and munching (many were cannibals) their way through the defenseless
Europeans still left in the recently abandoned Belgian colony.

Has this man just made a sweeping generalisation that all Africans in jungles are cannibals? Or is there truth behind that. If anyone knows, do please speak out.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Just been reading some more of wise-man Fontova's articles.

I have read about the Congo war and also read Che's diaries from it, and I never have read anything of this sort, as put forward by Mr. Fontova:

Together Mad Mike, Rip and the Cubans made short work of the alternately
Chinese and Soviet-backed "Simbas” of Laurent Kabila who were murdering,
raping and munching (many were cannibals) their way through the defenseless
Europeans still left in the recently abandoned Belgian colony.

Has this man just made a sweeping generalisation that all Africans in jungles are cannibals? Or is there truth behind that. If anyone knows, do please speak out.

[chebol]

I wouldn't give yourself an ulcer over this. Pondscum like this guy make money out of every hit to their website, and it distracts us from the real game- convicing people of socialism.

For what it's worth, hatred and love are extremely close, as emotions- and the thing worth hating most is that which is not only incapable of love, but is inured to it. Even the idiot who 'authored' this piece (which contains a conveniant mixture on truths and lies) obviously hates Che, Fidel and socialism enough that he will exhibit a hatred of truth for the needs of his political masters.

No matter what we write to him, so long as the system that succours him still exists, he will continue to do so, and piss on the needs to humanity.

The paragon of the paredon still stands. Not necessarily as a stained symbol to the birth-pangs of history, but as a concrete, material example for us to follow. Like it or not, a wall is a wall, regardless of all the gnashing of gusano jaws.

"At the risk of sounding ridiculous, all true revolutionaries are guided by great feelings of love."- Ernesto "El Che" Guevara de la Serna

[Freedom Writer]

Nice text Socialsmo o Muerte.

[che's long lost daughter]

I know Che said that a true revolutionary is guided by a true feeling of love and I believe him. But it is also esential to have hate. If you do not have hatred for the opression and privation going on in the world, I think you are not fit to be a revolutionary. I think love and hate should both be present, but this love and hate feeling should be directed to appropriate things.

[Guerilla-Strength]

Arbenz didnt go to Chezcolovakia..he went to mexico..this dude is a moron.

[Vallegrande]

It is true that Che himself said that pure hate was the way to overcome an imperialistic regime. I believe this to be true because what would a family, or a society, do when they see their loved ones getting raped and murdered left and right. Hate towards injustice is a right cause, and love towards justice is also right. Now that is what is the right way, to hate injustice and love justice.

[Urban Rubble]

Arbenz didnt go to Chezcolovakia..he went to mexico..this dude is a moron.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Arbenz did go to Chezcolovakia. I know he went to Europe.