US torture of Iraqi prisoners

[socialistfuture]

http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/iraqis_tortured/

the same country that supported saddam later comes in to 'liberate' it - yup the USA - bit of collateral damage, bit of torture, all in all a good day for freedom.
well what do the imperialist cappie supporters have to say bout it all?

[Comrade Hector]

The cappies don't say anything if you ask them to talk about how their beloved USA supported Saddam Hussein, Osama Bin Laden, and Manuel Noriega (just to name a few). They'll just talk their way around it, because if they answer then their US patriotic pride becomes damaged as there is only one answer to such a question. When I posted the topic of how the US loved and supported Pol Pot, none of the cappies answered, not even to make some pathetic attempt to talk their way around it.

[socialistfuture]

I had a discussion on msn with one person who cept saying our america and bush was for freedom. he said they liberated the iraqi's. I told him that USA had supported Saddam and helped him do the atrocities and he wouldn't believe me, so i gave him evidence.. and no matter what he would retract a bit but claim Bush still represented freedom. it went on for a while and in the end he just went offline and wouldn't reply.

[Professor Moneybags]

well what do the imperialist cappie supporters have to say bout it all?

I support capitalism, not some pathetic repubilcan brand of collectivist/nationalism.

He's not our beloved Saddam Hussein because he's a socialist, so I guess that makes him yours. Hence the reason ANSWER and the rest of his cronies were out in force protesting against the war.

(And so what if Saddam did murdered his own people and invade other couuntries ? He's just doing what most socialists do.)

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 13 2004, 01:40 PM

I support capitalism, not some pathetic repubilcan brand of collectivist/nationalism.

He's not our beloved Saddam Hussein because he's a socialist, so I guess that makes him yours. Hence the reason ANSWER and the rest of his cronies were out in force protesting against the war.
Saddam Hussein was the Americans' beloved "freedom fighter" during the 1980's when he fought the Ayatollah Khomeini. The US wanted to regain control of the Iranian oil fields which is what Saddam Hussein also wanted, so this was the perfect opportunity. He was cut from the freedom tree, once he outlived his usefullness. Tell me, idiot: what exactly about Saddam Hussein made him a Socialist? Because his behavior seemed to be more nationalist to me. He never struck me as the type who would have a Marxist bone in his body. His ethnic cleansing of the Kurds however remind me of another US ally: Turkey. And pretty much describes the majority of all US allies.


(And so what if Saddam did murdered his own people and invade other couuntries ? He's just doing what most socialists do.)

Yeah, so what if the US supplied this "Socialist" weapons and gases which he murdered his own people. So obviously Hussein's brutality didn't concern you, it was just that enslaved oil you wanted to see gain its freedom from the clutches of Saddam Hussein. If all Socialists do is invade countries, that would make the USA the most dedicated Socialist nation in the history of this planet.

[Louis Pio]

He's just doing what most socialists do.)

Ohh like the american friend the "socialist" Pol Pot?
I liked how all you guys evaded that thread, preferring to stick your head in the bush.
Just continue calling everthing you don't like socialist, it's kinda funny but not very serious

[Invader Zim]

(And so what if Saddam did murdered his own people and invade other couuntries ? He's just doing what most socialists do.)

Does that make the US socialist?

[Nyder]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 08:03 PM
(And so what if Saddam did murdered his own people and invade other couuntries ? He's just doing what most socialists do.)

Does that make the US socialist?
The US Government is socialist, yet not to the same degree as say, the Government in Cuba.

A government is not capitalist because of the way it operates.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 10:00 PM
The US Government is socialist, yet not to the same degree as say, the Government in Cuba.

A government is not capitalist because of the way it operates.
Now be honest, you dont know what socialism is do you?

[Louis Pio]

Lol!
I do find the american branch of ignorants quite amusing. They call everything socialist without looking at what socialism actually is.
Well Nyder if you really belive that I think you should start a campaign against the 2 socialist president candidates. The american population sure needs a good laugh now and your the man who could provide it.

[cormacobear]

Socialists are not pro-dictatorship. I can't think of a single socialis country that has invaded another. Ooh the threat that is Canada, or Sweden OOOhhh the terror. Get real.

Saddam wasn't a socialist Saddam was a fascist and a capitalist, at least untill the embargo, let's face it if he hadn't invaded Kuwait the American Gov't would still be sending him money and weapons while trying to keep his attrocities out of the news.

The Americans have commited crimes against humanities in every conflict they've ever been invovled in, they then refuse to submit to the int'l laws they wrote. So who cares what capitalists think, their sick depraved individuals who seem to enjoy commiting and supporting the most attrocious crimes of the Century.

[socialistfuture]

u would think they had taken'communists for kerry' serious or something - but bush socialist... america socialist... please put the crack down!

and no straight answer.. Saddam had US backing - so cappies claim he is a socialist and that lefties today support him because they protested the war. we did not support Saddam or the UN sactions that were starving the Iraqi people and keeping Saddam in power.
We knew if the US and other western imperialists went in it would be more innocent people dying and Iraq would not be free afterwards - which is the case.
the tortures just reveal how moral the US army and administation is.

Cappies - that is straight up capitalism for u - and u try to say it is socialism in some form? wake up. Saddam cruched the socialists in Iraq once he was in power - yes the baath party was semi socialist originally - but he made the communist party illegal and crushed the unions - like Indonedia under Surkarno.

Again my question remains unanswered - why do u have to say about CAPITALIST (imperialist) US torturing Iraqi people?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 07:03 PM
(And so what if Saddam did murdered his own people and invade other couuntries ? He's just doing what most socialists do.)

Does that make the US socialist?
When did the US murder it's own people and invade other countries out of conquest ?

[Professor Moneybags]

Saddam Hussein was the Americans' beloved "freedom fighter" during the 1980's when he fought the Ayatollah Khomeini. The US wanted to regain control of the Iranian oil fields which is what Saddam Hussein also wanted, so this was the perfect opportunity. He was cut from the freedom tree, once he outlived his usefullness.

The same could have been said of Josef Stalin after WW2. He was supported because he was the lesser of two evils.


Tell me, idiot: what exactly about Saddam Hussein made him a Socialist?

-No respect for individual rights.

-No respect for property rights.

Is that socialist enough for you ?


Yeah, so what if the US supplied this "Socialist" weapons and gases which he murdered his own people

So I give you a knife and you stab someone, it's my fault is it ?


So who cares what capitalists think, their sick depraved individuals who seem to enjoy commiting and supporting the most attrocious crimes of the Century.

Like starving seven million Russians in order to force them to accept some unrealisable colectivist ideology. Oh, that was communism.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Professor Moneybags+Sep 16 2004, 04:53 PM--> (Professor Moneybags @ Sep 16 2004, 04:53 PM)
[email protected] 13 2004, 07:03 PM
(And so what if Saddam did murdered his own people and invade other couuntries ? He's just doing what most socialists do.)

Does that make the US socialist?
When did the US murder it's own people and invade other countries out of conquest ? [/b]
Through most of its early history to start with, and more recently with cases such as Iraq.

As for killing its own people the USA is the only recorded nation to successfuly wipe out over 90% of an entire ethnic group.

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 08:00 PM
The US Government is socialist, yet not to the same degree as say, the Government in Cuba.

If the US government is Socialist, then the Ku Klux Klan are Jews!

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 16 2004, 03:53 PM
When did the US murder it's own people and invade other countries out of conquest ?
When didn't it? That's the real question!

[Nyder]

I know that everyone here has there own, muted version of their perfect 'utopian' socialist society. Obviously you lefties don't even know what socialism is.

SOCIALISM is a political system that denies the validity of property rights. Instead, it claims that all property is communally owned.

A 'mixed economy' is just a variant of socialism where not ALL property is communally owned.

[Xvall]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 16 2004, 03:53 PM
When did the US murder it's own people and invade other countries out of conquest ?
Oppression - Restricting the right to vote on the basis of race, gender, and nationality. Countless cases of police (under the jurisdiction and control of the government) beating, murdering, and raping people on the basis of race, gender, and nationality. A long history of slavery; the opression of women. Forcing people of japanese decent into internment camps, the slaughter of countless native americans and mexicans.

Conquest - The invasion of Hawaii. The invasion of Puerto Rico. The annexation of the western native american territories. The annexation of Mexican territories.

[Xvall]

-No respect for individual rights.

-No respect for property rights.

Is that socialist enough for you ?

No. That's not 'socialist' at all for me. With that logic: rapists, murderers, thieves, klansmen, police officers and gangsters are all hardcore 'socialists'. Do you actually use that as a definition for socialism? Those are just two things that most people don't like, and thus you can call anyone a socialist. Hey! Al Capone didn't respect property or individual rights! He must have been a socialist! We can do that too.

From this day fourth, Hitler, Pol Pot, Satan, The Penguin and Ceasar were all full-blown capitalists. They had:

- No respect for individual rights.

- No respect for property rights.

- Were total asses.

Is that capitalist enough for you?


So I give you a knife and you stab someone, it's my fault is it ?

No, but if you happen to toss a knife to someone in the middle of a fight, it's kind of implied that you intended for the person to stab his opponent.

By the way, with that logic, the war should not have been waged. WMDs are irrelevant, right? If Hussein produced a weapon, and gave it to a terrorist, and the terrorist used it, it's not his fault, right?

[cormacobear]

N. Vietnam- an attempted invasion of conquest by the U.S.
Nicuragua
Panama
Granada
This is just in the last twenty years if we go back further there are a great many more examples.

Every citizen of the U.S. that dies of exposure, or starvation while homeless in the wealthiest country in the world is the GOvernment of the U.S. killing it's own citizens. :angry:

[Anarchist Freedom]

You know how much i hate this issue? alot why? because the abuse of iraqi prisoners by americans is horrible yet we never make threads like iraqi abuse of prisoners in the past what are your thoughts. But then again those photos the soldiers took where pretty fucked up