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The Sloth
12th September 2004, 01:24
Republicans privately renting jails for counter-convention protestors....

This shit was given to me all messed up, so it took me a while to edit it and make it readable. I hope someone here takes the time to look through it.



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The now-famous Pier 57 in New York, used as the jail facility for holding protestors arrested during the Republican National Convention, was leased by the Republican National Committee, according to the Certificate of Occupancy and the Fire Safety Inspection Certificate for the pier.

The implications of the Republican National Committee leasing the pier, and arranging for the NYPD to then use the pier as a detention facility for people protesting the RNC, are quite startling. The ramifications for both the Republican Party and for the City of New York (for entering into a partnership with an organization essentially operating a private jail facility), both legally and politically, could be serious indeed.

More important, perhaps, are the possible ramifications for U.S.
citizens when the political party in power is leasing out property for the
state to use for detaining political rivals. Further, the fact that the pier
had signs posted in plain view which declared the facility to be hazardous
and warning that protective gear must be used when entering, could also
complicate matters for the Republicans.

Several questions become obvious. First, did the city know what the Republican National Committee intended to do with Pier 57, when the certificates were initially issued? Second, what legal arrangement was made between the NYPD and the Republican Party for the use of the pier? Third, are there any laws governing additional permits etc that must be obtained for any organization to legally operate a private jail facility? Fourth, can such facilities use NYPD personnel, who are employees of the city? Finally, to what degree if any did the Republican Party maintain oversight or control of operations, conditions, etc at Pier 57?

- Drew Poe

Note from Erin Starr - Makawao, Maui, Hawai'i

My 21-year old daughter disappeared from NYC last Tuesday afternoon
when walking with friends through a park where no protest was being held --
and was held prisoner -- without being charged -- by the NYPD for three
days.

The first day and night she spent in an unsafe and inhumane facility
at Pier 57 ("Little Guantanamo") provided by the Republican Party. Yes, it was
managed by the Republican National Committe. It was leased by the RNC
to hold political dissenters who disagreed with the Bush administration.
The second two days, my daughter was in a city jail in Manhattan, where
her treatment improved.

She practices Buddhist precepts of compassion (she told the NYPD
officers that she knew they must be tired and overworked also, and she did not
resist arrest). She is a graduate student in Poli Sci at the University of
Hawaii and is a MortarBoard honor society/service club member. The notorious
Pier 57 (owned by the HudsonRiver Trust--a city/state consortium) was
dubbed "Little Guantanamo" by reporters who also got caught up in police
sweeps and who said it looked like the Guantanamo Bay prison built by the USA to
hold the Al Qaeda terrorist political prisoners in Cuba.

Pier 57 was leased by the RNC before their convention. They arranged for the NYPD to put up the chain link holding pens with razor wire on top in the old Pier 57 warehouse that had oil, gas and asbestos dust on the floor from a previous fire.
My heart was in my throat when I got a call from one of my daughter's friends on Oahu who told me she had been arrested and taken to Little Guantanamo. I looked it up on the internet and fear crept into me. I called my daughter's cell phone over and over ("it's mom, where ARE you, call me"). She didn't answer. Only hours before, she had been calling us with joy, telling us of the peaceful protests and beautiful march. But now, nothing. I had nightmarish visions of a fire sweeping over the combustible floor with hundreds -- nearly a thousand -- trapped in the chainlink pens, razor wire on the top of the pens making escape impossible. My husband called the NYPD to ask who had issued a Certificate of
Occupancy or Fire Safety Inspection Certificate and who wasmanaging Pier 57. He
was given the number for the Republican National Committee. Yes. My
husband and I looked at each other in silent, cold horror. In America? The Republicans have set up a private detention camp for their political prisoners that can hold 1000 under inhumane and unsafe conditions!? My
husband slowly dialed that number, got the RNC, and the Republican rep
who answered the phone said, in answer to my husbands' inquiries about
safety: "those protesters don't deserve a Holiday Inn, and they're all
criminals anyway!"

...Say what?! My daughter, who doesn't smoke or drink or do drugs and
is a practicing Buddhist Vegan? A criminal?

***Warning signs that reporters saw posted around Pier 57 said not to
enterwithout protective clothing and mask.***

My exhausted daughter, with hundreds of others, tried to sleep that
first night ...on the chemical-covered oily, cold cement floor of these
pens, without food or water, without being read her rights, without being
offered a chance to post bail, without seeing a judge although the National
Lawyers Guild offered to represent them pro bono, without being charged or
told why she was arrested and handcuffed and taken there, without being allowed
to make a call to a lawyer or friend or parent or anyone -- all cell
phones were confiscated as "terrorist weapons." Her purse was taken. She had
nothing but the clothes on her back. Meanwhile...ordinary criminals
arrested that same day in NYC for burglary, rape and heinous crimes were
processed by the courts in less than 10 hours. My daughter, who had committed no crime, was incarcerated for three days incommunicado. People suffered
chemical burns, bug bites, overcrowding and medical problems because their
medicine was confiscated.

A pregnant woman sat crying on the floor in the oil. It wasn't until
my daughter was taken out of the Republican-managed "Little Guantanamo"
and placed in a cell in a Manhattan city jail that a guard kindly brought
her Vegan food and gave her a blanket to lay her grime-smeared body on at
night in her crowded cell. I never thought I'd be grateful to get a call
from a friend saying that my daughter was in a Manhattan city jail cell, but
the knowledge that she was out of that Little Guantanamo actually gave me
relief.

I called Hawaii's Republican Party Headquarters, and asked them to
report it to Hawaii's Governor Linda Lingle, who was at the convention in NYC
and could intervene for my daughter and other UH students incarcerated
illegally by her party. The Republican rep woman who answered the phone told me "Linda knows, and you're blowing it all out of proportion." Say What!! That's MY daughter, not YOURS, sitting in that instant-conflagration-fire-trap at Pier 57!
Well, thanks a BUNCH, Linda Lingle. The UH students mean that LITTLE to
you??? The Republicans wanted to "teach those protesters a lesson." They wanted
to terrorize my daughter. But the lesson that the hundreds and hundreds of prisoners were taught...was not the one that the Republican Party intended, I would wager.

Anyone caught in the NYPD orange fence netting was told to sit on the ground, handcuffed, and pushed into large NYC busses. Our sweet
daughter, born and brought up in a small rainforest in Hawaii, was placed in
detention at Pier 57, the notorious "Little Guantanomo." I recall that when the Democrats held their convention to nominate Senator John Kerry as their candidate for President, there were only 6 people arrested, if I remember correctly. At the Republican National Convention to elect Bush as their candidate, there were thousands arrested. I suspect that Republicans might say this was a good thing. Being tough. This group-roundup tactic is called by the Republican party "preventative detention" (like the "pre-emptive war" in Iraq). This group-roundup tactic is called by the Republican party "preventative detention" (like the "pre-emptive war" in Iraq). It is used to terrorize those who might protest Bush's agenda when he is in town. America, wake up. Hitler told the German people that they would have to "give up a few of your rights... temporarily... so that we can fight the enemy." That's what Ashcroft said, about the misnamed PATRIOT ACT.

Wake up, America. The American flag that proudly waves by MY front gate and
is on the back window of MY car...doesn't seem to be the same American flag
that the Republican Party is waving. Erin Starr, Makawao, Maui, Hawaii

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Maui student caught up in mass arrests at convention

By MELISSA TANJI

Staff Writer, Maui News

HONOLULU - A 21-year-old Olinda woman says she was unjustly arrested
and held in inhumane conditions last week in New York City while she and
other Hawaii students were involved in protests at the Republican National
Convention.

Summer Starr, a graduate student in political science at the
University of Hawaii at Manoa, was among 1,821 people arrested during the convention last week.

According to reports, New York police allegedly corralled people who
were walking down the street so they could not move, then arrested all of
them, often without first ordering them to disperse and giving then a chance
to do so. The New York Civil Liberties Union is compiling stories from
protesters who say they were arrested for no reason, detained for unnecessarily long periods or held in unsafe conditions. The group is also considering
suing the city over police conduct.

"I went up to New York initially to protest the Republican National
Convention. Actually at the time of the arrest, I wasn't physically
engaged in protest," Starr said in a telephone call from Manoa on Monday.
She said a group of people were cornered by officers near Bryant Park
in Manhattan and were arrested on Aug. 31. They has been at the New York
Public Library protesting when police made them scatter toward Bryant Park,
Starr said.

"They didn't inform us why we were being arrested," she said. "At least I
didn't hear it." Starr said the arrest "was not justified in anyway. We weren't
violent. We were absolutely peaceful."

If police were under the impression that the protesters were doing
something wrong, Starr said they should have been arrested at the site of the
protest, should have been told what they were being arrested for and not
"shuffled down the street." Following her arrest, Starr said all of the people with her were placed in plastic cuffs and were bused to Pier 57, a large, dirty building with concrete floors. The holding area was a former bus terminal.

"It was absolutely inhumane and not a proper place to be holding
people," Starr said. One of the individuals being held was a girl dressed up in a black dress. Starr said the girl had been stepping out of her apartment to go out
when she was swept up with a group and arrested. Starr said about five others from Hawaii were among the people arrested. In news reports last week, [billionaire] Mayor Michael Bloomberg speaking on his radio show, seemed to imply that the arrests of innocent people were inevitable.

"You can't arrest 1,800 people without having somebody in the middle
who shouldn't have been arrested. That's what the courts are there to find
out afterwards," he said. Starr, who was born and raised in Olinda and attended Makawao School, Seabury Hall, the Maui Ocean Academy and Maui Community College, said she just thought about her home on Maui while in jail. At home on Maui, Starr's mother, Erin, got a call from one of Summer's friends on Oahu that Summer was arrested and taken to Pier 57. Erin Starr said Pier 57 was nicknamed "Little Guantanamo," referring to the holding facilities set up at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, where detainees from Afghanistan are being held without charges.

"I looked it up on the Internet and fear crept into me," said Erin
Starr. "I called my daughter's cell phone over and over, saying 'It's mom, where
are you? Call me.'" Summer Starr's personal belongings were taken away from her when she was arrested. She said that she and others were kept at Pier 57 for about a day. "Every single one of us were covered in black grease," she said about being held at the former bus terminal.

Starr said did not eat because she is a vegetarian and the only food provided was a meat sandwich. "I wasn't expecting to be treated like a queen, (but) I wasn't
expecting to be treated like a political prisoner," she said. On the day after the arrest, Starr said she was taken to a Manhattan jail where she and others were regularly moved from cell to cell. She said they were told they were going to be released soon and that the fingerprinting process was slow.

She said she was released around 10 p.m. on Thursday, about two days
after she was arrested. It was on that day that Judge John Cataldo of the State Supreme Court in Manhattan ordered the city to release more than 550 protesters who had been detained, in some cases, for as long as 60 hours. Starr said as the New York detainees were being released, there was a person handing out tickets to those arrested. She said she was cited for disorderly conduct and has a summons to appear in a New York City court on Oct.

She had asked that she not be required to return to New York for court
proceedings because she lives in Hawaii, noting that some others arrested
did not have to return. But she was told she would have to appear.

Erin Starr said the family has retained an attorney in New York who is
trying to dismiss the summons. Summer Starr said she was denied a lawyer during proceedings in New York, but "didn't want to make a big fuss." She said she was frightened by the treatment.

"I didn't want them to put me back in," she said. "We were scared out of our minds to get arrested again," she said. "It was a horrible, horrible experience."
Back on Oahu on Monday, Starr was trying to get back to normalcy,
working on a 10-page paper, and battling what seemed to be a cold.

Knight Ridder/Tribune Information Services contributed to this report.

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redstar2000
12th September 2004, 01:45
Will our resident apoligists for capitalism respond to this one?

Don't hold your breath. :lol:

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Munchimoniam
12th September 2004, 02:49
Will our resident apoligists for capitalism respond to this one?

Don't hold your breath.

What does fascism have to do with capitalism?

The Sloth
12th September 2004, 03:33
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 02:49 AM

What does fascism have to do with capitalism?
Don't tell me you're one of those folks that believes fascism = socialism.

But hey, hey, no need to stray from the topic...I want the individuals on this board to comment on the news story I just provided all y'all with, no get off on a tangent on the economics of fascism.

Munchimoniam
12th September 2004, 03:41
Originally posted by Brooklyn-[email protected] 12 2004, 03:33 AM
Don't tell me you're one of those folks that believes fascism = socialism.
No. I believe that fascism is an ideology independent of both socialism and capitalism.

Forward Union
12th September 2004, 10:02
Its a shame your not one of those people that can answer the question that was put forth in this thread.

Munchimoniam
12th September 2004, 10:11
Originally posted by Marxist [email protected] 12 2004, 10:02 AM
Its a shame your not one of those people that can answer the question that was put forth in this thread.
The question was directed at supporters of the Republican party, which I am not. It's a shame you are to presumptuous to contemplate that prospect.

wet blanket
12th September 2004, 13:26
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 03:41 AM
No. I believe that fascism is an ideology independent of both socialism and capitalism.
It's not really independent of either, but rather combines the two... Expand the government, give corporations state control, and viola, Fascism!

The Sloth
12th September 2004, 21:27
I want to see some capitalists up in here.

IPkurd
13th September 2004, 01:03
i got a link for the artical?.....and im not in any way trying to say its not true, i do believe its correct