There we have it

[Hoppe]

Stealing is ok (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=28056)

Always knew you could count honest commies on one hand.

[apathy maybe]

That thread was started Aug 13 2004, 09:53 AM. You posted Sep 10 2004, 05:30 PM

It took you almost a month to find that thread?

I will use simple words for you to understand why some people believe that "theft" is OK.
1) The companies steal from us.
2) We are just taking back what is ours.

Is that simple enough for you?

[apathy maybe]

And here is another thread for you to show all your property loving "friends"
http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?s...=25224&hl=theft (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=25224&hl=theft)

[pedro san pedro]

nice one hoppe - guess you failed to read the thread? most people were arguing that stealing is not ok.

jackarse

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by Apathy [email protected] 10 2004, 07:53 AM
That thread was started Aug 13 2004, 09:53 AM. You posted Sep 10 2004, 05:30 PM

It took you almost a month to find that thread?

I will use simple words for you to understand why some people believe that "theft" is OK.
1) The companies steal from us.
2) We are just taking back what is ours.

Is that simple enough for you?
Well, since I was on holidays it was hardly possible to reply......

Interesting that the LTV now also applies to consumers, not only the workers. Are you forced to buy from Wal Mart now?


nice one hoppe - guess you failed to read the thread? most people were arguing that stealing is not ok.

jackarse

Yes, ad hominem. I said that the few, like Dacuban, could be counted on one hand.

The quotes are really hilarious, just a few:


Seriously, if you don't shoplift, I wanna know why.


I definitely wouldn't ever shoplift from small businesses.

When it comes to corporations, however, the large malls and other stores have far too many cameras and such for me to take the risk. If I'd get away, I'd do it.


Hell yeah, I always do that when I go to Wal*Mart...grab a coke and drink it as I walk around the store...you can always say you were going to pay for it!


I shoplift CDs, books, sometimes clothes. Usually not food, unless I have the munchies


please, please give me advice, how do you get things to not beep when you go out the doors. I dont think ive ever shoplifted (from a store) anything in my life...


Shoplifting isn't wrong, capitalism is. Shoplifting is a refusal to participate in a consumerist economy. Everything you buy merely increases your complicity within capitalism. :lol:


I used to go round the posh parts of town at night and sneak into people's unlocked houses and steal food, booze, cash, ciggarettes/cigars, basically anything that took my fancy. Not credit cards, too much bother.


I would like more info on stealing from work. I've yet to try it.


Stealing from those big corporations is the same thing as socialist wealth distribution -- except it's taking place before a revolution, and on a much smaller scale. (so what if your worker actually has his lifetime savings in Wall Mart?)


Haven't taken anything decent in a while, though I went through a period of stealing €400/500 worth of books, cds, games etc every week then got caught stealing a fucking magazine.


However, it would be acceptable to steal food and give it to homeless people.


Stealing abolishes the whole power of money and life itself, look at it, we work, to get money to buy stuff, by stealing you bypass all of it

And these were only from the first two pages.

[wet blanket]

It's rather ridiculous to think that stealing is somehow righteous or a good idea...

While I could understand a textile worker 'stealing' clothing that they made to clothe their family, or perhaps a hungry person taking a loaf of bread... but the idea of some employed citizen of a developed nation with the ability to pay for something, but refusing to do so because he doesn't want to, is ridiculous.

Theft is not anticapitalist, it's antisocial and counterproductive.

I could understand the whole "theft from big corporations is wealth redistribution" if the person doing the stealing was somehow involved in the production of the item they are stealing. You're not redistributing wealth if you're taking something that YOU DON'T NEED AND COULD OTHERWISE PAY FOR and were never involved in creating... You're not only hurting the corporation, but the workers, too.

[revolutionindia]

I notice that some of the greatest authority's on Communism namely Redstar2000 and Comrade RAF chose to quitely ignore this thread and not take any steps to discipline the kids bickering in that thread

[wet blanket]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 09:41 AM
I notice that some of the greatest authority's on Communism namely Redstar2000 and Comrade RAF chose to quitely ignore this thread and not take any steps to discipline the kids bickering in that thread
Do you honestly believe that they are the 'greatest authorities' on the subject of communism?

I suggest you hit the books, spanky.

[revolutionindia]

I honestly thinkredstar2000 and comrade RAf are the greatest authority's on communism only ON THIS SITE,not outside it
i.e among all wannabe communists present here these two are the most genuine

The rest are just kids here to fantazise about revolution & che,discuss about che's sexual orientation,whether he wore red underwear and essentially role play che-guerva's adventures in a jungle....

BTW
I believe redstar to be 62 and comrade raf to be around 40's
So you gotta hand it over to them

[The Sloth]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 07:30 AM
Stealing is ok (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=28056)

Always knew you could count honest commies on one hand.
I would never steal from you, Hoppe, as I assume you are a working-class individual.

But the second you discard "Christian morality," and attempt to rationalize the current situation on a materialist basis, stealing from large corporations looks like a legitimate way to take back "what is ours."

Now, proving to you that the working people deserve an equal share in profit is difficult considering you are too far down the road of bourgeois prejudice to even consider that fact. So, I can understand why you look down on folks such as myself with scorn.

On the other hand, after watching a video on the way diamonds play a role in the mutilation of African bodies and etcetera (find it here (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=28198)), and watching how pig corporations such as DeBeers profit from this, I feel that not only is stealing justifiable from such a place (not necessarily a diamond store, though), but any individual with morals should fight for the abolition of these institutions.

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by Brooklyn-[email protected] 10 2004, 01:49 PM
I would never steal from you, Hoppe, as I assume you are a working-class individual.

Hmm, since I own stocks I am also a member of the ruling class.


But the second you discard "Christian morality," and attempt to rationalize the current situation on a materialist basis, stealing from large corporations looks like a legitimate way to take back "what is ours."

No morality here. So what has Mcdonalds actually taken from you? If Mcdonalds would exploit its workers, you would only be stealing something which they have produced. Nowhere in this story do you, who can go to Burger King or grow his own crops, come about.


Now, proving to you that the working people deserve an equal share in profit is difficult considering you are too far down the road of bourgeois prejudice to even consider that fact. So, I can understand why you look down on folks such as myself with scorn.

Why would I even consider your claim to be correct when there are topics on this board from people who have studied communism far longer than you have, that basically say that "you" shouldn't stick to the LTV since it isn't correct?

How come you can make a claim on the profits of Mcdonalds if you have been (hypothetically speaking) working at a different company that made a loss?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Apathy [email protected] 10 2004, 07:53 AM
That thread was started Aug 13 2004, 09:53 AM. You posted Sep 10 2004, 05:30 PM

It took you almost a month to find that thread?

I will use simple words for you to understand why some people believe that "theft" is OK.
1) The companies steal from us.
2) We are just taking back what is ours.

Is that simple enough for you?

1) The companies steal from us.



Pathetic rationalization at its finest. How do companies steal from you?

By the way, all you are doing is driving up prices on products so companies can recoup there loss. Thus, you are merely stealing from your fellow single mother that now has to pay $2 more for diapers because you lifted a CD.

Merchants increase prices on products with inelastic demand (such as diapers or milk) to recoup losses. No one pays but other people who purchase things they need.


2) We are just taking back what is ours.

you're an ass

[Capitalist Imperial]

The funny thing is that the idiots who steal think that they are "getting over" on the "big bad corporations", when in reality all corporations do is raise the price of goods that people have to buy like diapers or medicine to compensate for punk-asses who steal CD's and Snickers bars.

The only ones that pay for stealing are your fellow workers.

Of course, people who tend to be theives are usually way too stupid to realize this. I've never, ever met an intellectual theif, except maybe in a hollywood movie.

And the whole "I don't steal from small business, just big corporations" line is so pathetic. Why don't you just write "rationalizing klepto" across your forehead?

[redstar2000]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 04:41 AM
I notice that some of the greatest authorities on Communism namely Redstar2000 and Comrade RAF chose to quitely ignore this thread and not take any steps to discipline the kids bickering in that thread
Well, revolutionindia, what would you have me and Comrade RAF do?

Slap their hands with a ruler & sternly admonish them, "don't steal from businesses, kid, that's un-communist".

I can't speak for Comrade RAF here, but I have more important matters to consider than whether or not a small number of kids shoplift a few consumer goodies...and whether or not they think it's a "communist" thing to do.

There's hardly an issue of The Daily Bullshit that doesn't contain one or more stories of corporate theft in the tens or hundreds of millions of dollars/euros. Occasionally, it gets into the billions.

Redstar's law: corruption is rampant in all class societies.

Modern capitalists have repeatedly demonstrated the ethics of purse-snatchers!

So...I or Comrade RAF are supposed to get our knickers in a twist over some kid who shoplifts a CD? :lol:

Speaking personally, when I was still a wage-slave (prior to my "luxurious retirement"), of course I stole from my bosses at every opportunity...unfortunately, controls were "tight" and I was never able to get away with more than a few hundred dollars here or there. I wracked my brain to see if I could figure out how to steal some serious money from the bastards without getting caught...but I was simply not clever enough, dammit. It's easy for bosses to loot and plunder their own corporations; it's tough for workers to steal anything of consequence.

In the "great scheme of things" (proletarian revolution and communism), petty theft is...well, petty! It is, at best, a trivial form of class struggle.

The next time you read some wild-ass claim that "shoplifting costs businesses lebenty-zillion dollars a year"...remember who the real thieves are: the CEO, the CFO, and the board of directors. It takes but a few taps on a keyboard to "transform" executive theft into "shop-lifting losses".

And it does less damage to your stock-price too. :D

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 07:30 AM
Stealing is ok (http://www.che-lives.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=28056)
They've been saying that here for months. Ask Mecca.

[Osman Ghazi]

The funny thing is that the idiots who steal think that they are "getting over" on the "big bad corporations", when in reality all corporations do is raise the price of goods that people have to buy like diapers or medicine to compensate for punk-asses who steal CD's and Snickers bars.

Ah, but therin lies the rub. What happens when you 'just raise prices' in capitalism? People go to your competitor. So theoretically (keyword) you could put a businessman or two out of work. But as Redstar said the effects are trivial.

Besides, if I have to pay more because people steal, then I might as well swipe a few things to recoup my losses, no?


Of course, people who tend to be theives are usually way too stupid to realize this. I've never, ever met an intellectual theif, except maybe in a hollywood movie.


Intelectual theives would probably not introduce themselves as such.


And the whole "I don't steal from small business, just big corporations" line is so pathetic. Why don't you just write "rationalizing klepto" across your forehead?

So what? What's the big fucking deal? What's the difference between taking advantage of a brief scarcity to triple profit and taking advantage of poor security to swipe things? I mean, I feel real sorry that people will have to pay extra, but have you ever considered this: the prices compensated for theivery before I was born and they will no doubt do so long after I am dead, regardless of whether I steal or not. On such a small scale, no individual effort will make any difference.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Ah, but therin lies the rub. What happens when you 'just raise prices' in capitalism? People go to your competitor. So theoretically (keyword) you could put a businessman or two out of work. But as Redstar said the effects are trivial.


that would make sense if only select merchants were stolen from, but they are not. Apparently, you verminesque theives don't discriminate, as long as it is a "big bad corporation".



So what? What's the big fucking deal? What's the difference between taking advantage of a brief scarcity to triple profit and taking advantage of poor security to swipe things? I mean, I feel real sorry that people will have to pay extra, but have you ever considered this: the prices compensated for theivery before I was born and they will no doubt do so long after I am dead, regardless of whether I steal or not. On such a small scale, no individual effort will make any difference.


This is the exact kind of rationalization I'm talking about.

I'm not surprized that it is coming from an idiot like you, though, Osman.


I mean, I feel real sorry that people will have to pay extra

but not enugh for you to stop being a small-time punk theif


the prices compensated for theivery before I was born

absolutely not true, and you know it

I hope you like the fact that you are making te 20 year old working single mother pay $2.00 more for diapers, Osman. You're a real man of the people.

[Osman Ghazi]

This is the exact kind of rationalization I'm talking about.

Yes, I am offering a rational reason for stealing, so what?


I'm not surprized that it is coming from an idiot like you, though, Osman.


You make me cry.


that would make sense if only select merchants were stolen from, but they are not. Apparently, you verminesque theives don't discriminate, as long as it is a "big bad corporation".


You realize that this doesn't mean anything right? It doesn't even make any sense. There isn't some sort of 'theives guild' that can direct the actions of every pickpocket.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Hoppe, your condemnation of thievery almost makes me want to go out and rob the local Wal-Mart

[revolutionindia]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 10:30 PM
Well, revolutionindia, what would you have me and Comrade RAF do?

Slap their hands with a ruler & sternly admonish them, "don't steal from businesses, kid, that's un-communist".

I can't speak for Comrade RAF here, but I have more important matters to consider than whether or not a small number of kids shoplift a few consumer goodies...and whether or not they think it's a "communist" thing to do.

There's hardly an issue of The Daily Bullshit that doesn't contain one or more stories of corporate theft in the tens or hundreds of millions of dollars/euros. Occasionally, it gets into the billions.

Redstar's law: corruption is rampant in all class societies.

Modern capitalists have repeatedly demonstrated the ethics of purse-snatchers!

So...I or Comrade RAF are supposed to get our knickers in a twist over some kid who shoplifts a CD? :lol:

Speaking personally, when I was still a wage-slave (prior to my "luxurious retirement"), of course I stole from my bosses at every opportunity...unfortunately, controls were "tight" and I was never able to get away with more than a few hundred dollars here or there. I wracked my brain to see if I could figure out how to steal some serious money from the bastards without getting caught...but I was simply not clever enough, dammit. It's easy for bosses to loot and plunder their own corporations; it's tough for workers to steal anything of consequence.

In the "great scheme of things" (proletarian revolution and communism), petty theft is...well, petty! It is, at best, a trivial form of class struggle.

The next time you read some wild-ass claim that "shoplifting costs businesses lebenty-zillion dollars a year"...remember who the real thieves are: the CEO, the CFO, and the board of directors. It takes but a few taps on a keyboard to "transform" executive theft into "shop-lifting losses".

And it does less damage to your stock-price too. :D

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas
If you steal from the corporates because the corporates steal from you
then there is no difference between the both you
You both are thieving scum
Leeches who live on others blood

[Daymare17]

I'm a communist and I don't believe in stealing from companies and shops. Not because private property is sacred but because it is really only stealing from the workers' wages. Those anarchist half-lumpen pieces of shit who advocate stealing should be beaten to a pulp by their workmates.

[Munchimoniam]

Originally posted by Apathy [email protected] 10 2004, 07:53 AM
1) The companies steal from us.
What exactly have they stolen from you?

[Hoppe]

Originally posted by [email protected] 10 2004, 10:55 PM
Hoppe, your condemnation of thievery almost makes me want to go out and rob the local Wal-Mart
Since the concept of property, be it public or private, is known to you I fail to see how you could not condemn it.

Let's go and rob some third-world farmers because they own means of production.

[The Sloth]

Hmm, since I own stocks I am also a member of the ruling class.

Can I have your address?

:lol:

Plenty of folks own stocks, even teachers that make very little. They certainly aren't part of the "ruling class."


No morality here.

I think your idea of morality, then, rests on obedience to the status quo, and possibly also rooted in religion.

I, on the other hand, consider anything that helps society "moral," and anything that hurts it is "immoral."

Now, if I were to steal from a corporation, I'm not exactly hurting an employee.


So what has Mcdonalds actually taken from you? If Mcdonalds would exploit its workers, you would only be stealing something which they have produced. Nowhere in this story do you, who can go to Burger King or grow his own crops, come about.

McDonald's has indirectly taken profits from certain communities by establishing their monopoly there and squeezing out small businesses and shops.

I'm sure you realize that everything is all inter-connected...meaning, McDonald's has both direct and indirect impacts on the whole scheme of things.

Personally, I wouldn't steal from McDonald's...fact is, I wouldn't eat that fucking trash, so there's no point in taking a burger from them. I doubt if I would steal a burger, though, wages would go under $5.15 an hour.


Why would I even consider your claim to be correct when there are topics on this board from people who have studied communism far longer than you have, that basically say that "you" shouldn't stick to the LTV since it isn't correct?

Let them stick to their choice, then. I'm not telling anyone to steal; hell, I don't even do it myself! However, it is absurd that you should "trust" someone simply because he is well-read than another person. Hitler, I'm sure, was more well-read than me, or many members on this board. John Keynes was also much more well-read than most Marxists in the world, just as well. Cornel West is a Christian; but simply for the fact that I respect his books and his activism, I'm not going to take his ideas regarding god "on faith" simply because of his status. Thus, I am not attaching any importance to that.


How come you can make a claim on the profits of Mcdonalds if you have been (hypothetically speaking) working at a different company that made a loss?

I never said to steal from McDonald's, though. I encourage everyone to just stop going there and eating that garbage. Nor did I make the claim on the profits of McDonald's.

But like I said...everything is inter-connected. If I were to feel ripped off on some of my wages, it means that I will not be able to buy certain products that I normally would be able to easily attain in a communist society. This includes a burger and a coke. So, if I feel that my labor deserves more pay (so I can buy that coke and that burger like I would in what I consider to be a more "fair" society), but I am still not the wage I deserve, I guess I can, "morally speaking," take that shit off the counter without feeling "bad" about it.

And wages will not go down.

Who did I hurt? The owner? Then I'm glad.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 06:48 AM
Since the concept of property, be it public or private, is known to you I fail to see how you could not condemn it.

Let's go and rob some third-world farmers because they own means of production.
If you're gonna rob somebody, why not the third world farmer? Those guys own thousands of acres, oftentimes have monopolies on a particular good, use violence, slavery, and are extremely notorious for corruption. Those fat cats would be a perfect target.

The third world farmer you're talking about doesn't actually own any land as a medium of production. He just works for the capitalist I described above.

[Professor Moneybags]

I, on the other hand, consider anything that helps society "moral," and anything that hurts it is "immoral."

Then why are you arguing socialism ? That sure doesn't help society, even if that was a valid basis for a system of morality.


So, if I feel that my labor deserves more pay (so I can buy that coke and that burger like I would in what I consider to be a more "fair" society), but I am still not the wage I deserve, I guess I can, "morally speaking," take that shit off the counter without feeling "bad" about it.

And if those who run McDonalds "feel" they are not making enough profit, it should just initiate force against you by enslaving you, just as you advocate initiating force against him by stealing from him if you feel you are not being paid enough. But of course, if they did that, you'd be going bezerk.

Mr Polylogic strikes again. You dish it out, but you can't take it.

[Osman Ghazi]

enough profit

No such concept exists. There is no 'enough profit', there always has to be more.


even if that was a valid basis for a system of morality.


And why isn't it? What makes the Bible a more viable source of morality? What makes anything a more viable source of morality?


should just initiate force against you by enslaving you, .

A) They couldn't do this in North America.
B) They probably already have done this in their third world holdings.
C) Stealing and enslaving are not the same thing.


advocate initiating force against him

Corporate personhood at its finest.

[The Sloth]

Then why are you arguing socialism ? That sure doesn't help society, even if that was a valid basis for a system of morality.

Of course it helps society, and of course my description of morality is "valid."

Your main man Adam Smith has even helped me develop this idea regarding morality.

What would your defnition of the word be? Why don't you give me an analysis on the roots/origins/meaning of morality?

I hope it has nothing to do with souls, gods or some other non-sense, though.


And if those who run McDonalds "feel" they are not making enough profit, it should just initiate force against you by enslaving you, just as you advocate initiating force against him by stealing from him if you feel you are not being paid enough. But of course, if they did that, you'd be going bezerk.

Sorry, think again.

In New York City, you cannot live on $5.15 an hour unless you want to be in the worst of the worst projects and malnutritioned. I think, then, it is justified for someone to say, "I feel I am not receiving enough profit" when he finds himself in an apartment filled with roaches, listening to the music of the most recent drive-by.

But when it comes to the owner, I don't care how the CEO of McDonald's "feels" about his "lack of profits" considering that he can live comfortably, with time for himself, not having to worry about bills, his kids' college education, and etctera. If you want anything "more" than that, you are simply sick and you won't catch me catering to your disease, even if it is a product of decadent bourgeois society.

[Nyder]

Stop it with the Christian comparisons. Christianity has got nothing to do with capitalism. I am a capitalist and also an atheist, so your stereotyping is wrong.

And you're taking your ideology to its extremes if you advocate stealing. If you think a corporation is un-ethical (and there are millions of businesses out there that make up capitalism) - then DON'T BUY FROM THEM. Simple as that. Stealing only hurts the consumers and the workers.

Furthermore - the Labour theory of value is bullshit! Even Marx had severe doubts about this theory. I can't believe your basing your entire world view on some abstract, unprovable and unscientific little theory that was devised almost 200 years ago!!!! The stupidity is mind boggling!!!!

[Nyder]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 11:03 PM
If you're gonna rob somebody, why not the third world farmer? Those guys own thousands of acres, oftentimes have monopolies on a particular good, use violence, slavery, and are extremely notorious for corruption. Those fat cats would be a perfect target.

The third world farmer you're talking about doesn't actually own any land as a medium of production. He just works for the capitalist I described above.
So Red Zeppelin, then you agree with me - that the logical solution here is, you guessed it - PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

You agree that the 'third world farmer' should OWN their land, not the violent slave drivers - who are usually a part of, or have support from an extreme authoritative government.

The farmers should have the right to own their land, to sell their produce and to keep the revenue gained, without interference from the thugs, the criminals, the slave drivers, the rich 'fat cats' with gangs of hoodlums!!

I'M GLAD WE AGREE ON SOMETHING!! You advocate PRIVATE PROPERTY to be protected - as do I! :D

[Urban Rubble]

This is exactly the reason I don't steal, it sets a bad fucking example and gives more validity to the myth that all Socialists are lazy college kids who just don't want to work.

As I said in that thread, anyone who tries to justify shoplifting by saying it's a sort of social revolution is a fucking fool.

[DaCuBaN]

As I said in that thread, anyone who tries to justify shoplifting by saying it's a sort of social revolution is a fucking fool.

Fucking right. Or a capitalist pig-dog ;)

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 10:38 PM
So Red Zeppelin, then you agree with me - that the logical solution here is, you guessed it - PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS.

You agree that the 'third world farmer' should OWN their land, not the violent slave drivers - who are usually a part of, or have support from an extreme authoritative government.

The farmers should have the right to own their land, to sell their produce and to keep the revenue gained, without interference from the thugs, the criminals, the slave drivers, the rich 'fat cats' with gangs of hoodlums!!

I'M GLAD WE AGREE ON SOMETHING!! You advocate PRIVATE PROPERTY to be protected - as do I! :D
I said nowhere that I advocate private property, and most of these ignorant assumptions you just made are incredibly wrong. Fuck face.

To redistribute the land to the farm workers themselves is of course something I advocate. Apparently you do too.

I did not mean that they're literally slave drivers. They often offer people jobs in a far away, desolate farm and when the workers arrive they have no means of leaving and pretty much become slaves. Things like that. And the only authoritative governments in Latin America are or were the ones instated by the US during the cold war.


The farmers should have the right to own their land, to sell their produce and to keep the revenue gained, without interference from the thugs, the criminals, the slave drivers, the rich 'fat cats' with gangs of hoodlums!!

What about people who he decides to hire? Are they also entitled to a share of his land as their own? Didn't think you'd agree with that one. So shut the fuck up.

[Professor Moneybags]

Of course it helps society, and of course my description of morality is "valid."

Explain how you came to it and where it's basis is in reality.


Your main man Adam Smith has even helped me develop this idea regarding morality.

He isn't my "main man". In fact, you'll find few capitalists who actually agree with him.


What would your defnition of the word be? Why don't you give me an analysis on the roots/origins/meaning of morality?

I hope it has nothing to do with souls, gods or some other non-sense, though.

What's yours ? There are different moral/ethical codes based upon certain philosophical foundations, some having a basis in reality, most of them, not.


In New York City, you cannot live on $5.15 an hour unless you want to be in the worst of the worst projects and malnutritioned. I think, then, it is justified for someone to say, "I feel I am not receiving enough profit" when he finds himself in an apartment filled with roaches, listening to the music of the most recent drive-by.

We've already been through this.


But when it comes to the owner, I don't care how the CEO of McDonald's "feels" about his "lack of profits" considering that he can live comfortably, with time for himself, not having to worry about bills, his kids' college education, and etctera.

So I was right. You are working on a double standard and suggesting that two different groups of people (differentiated by a standard not a single one of you can define) live by two different moral codes. We've seen the effects of that when enforced with lethal consistency...and it ain't pretty.


If you want anything "more" than that, you are simply sick and you won't catch me catering to your disease, even if it is a product of decadent bourgeois society.

Keep on stealing utill there's nothing left to steal. Then you're going to be screwed.

[Nyder]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 10:13 AM

The farmers should have the right to own their land, to sell their produce and to keep the revenue gained, without interference from the thugs, the criminals, the slave drivers, the rich 'fat cats' with gangs of hoodlums!!

What about people who he decides to hire? Are they also entitled to a share of his land as their own? Didn't think you'd agree with that one. So shut the fuck up.
Why should they be entitled to a share of the land? IE: If you hire a gardener to mow you lawn, is he entitled to own your backyard? If a woman buys baby food from Wal-mart, does that mean Wal-mart is entitled to claim ownership over her baby?