PFLP statement on elections

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Al-Shorouq News
6 September 2004

PFLP: "Let the Election Be a National Battle Against Occupation and
Corruption"

In a communique issued by the Popular Front for the Liberation of
Palestine, the Front encouraged Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza
to register for municipal, legislative and presidential elections, as
registration will end on Oct 7th, 2004.

The PFLP consider the elections to be a mechanism for a wider popular
participation in the decision making process, monitoring and fighting
corruption as well as shaping the future of the Palestinian national
program.

"This election is a battle that we must be part of, and it is also a
democratic process that we need to provide all the conditions for its
success."

The PFLP statement called upon the Palestinian Legislative Council to
adopt a law that respects and guarantees an election based on
transparency, as well as proportional representation of all
Palestinian political and social forces in both general and local
elections.

"We also call upon the families of our heroic prisoners to register
the names of their sons and daughters in Israeli prisons to make sure
that our brothers and sisters in the prisoners movement are part of
shaping our future and part of the decision making process," the
statement concluded.

[il Commie]

I hate the PFLP.

"Let's kill innocent civillians and call ourselves socialists!"

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I hate the PFLP.

"Let's kill innocent civillians and call ourselves socialists!"

um. . . I think you're confusing them with the DFLP. Easy mistake since it all gets very monty pythonish. . . :lol:

[Invader Zim]

slackers! The damn Popular Front for the Liberation of
Palestine, join the Liberation of Palestine's popular front.

Kind of thing.

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slackers! The damn Popular Front for the Liberation of
Palestine, join the Liberation of Palestine's popular front.

Kind of thing.

pretty much. :huh: :lol:

[il Commie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 08:27 PM

um. . . I think you're confusing them with the DFLP. Easy mistake since it all gets very monty pythonish. . . :lol:
No. The PFLP commited a terrorist bombing in Bney-Brak this year, killing innocent israeli civillians. That wasn't very socialist of them.

The DFLP as far as I know is not involved in this kind of crap and oppose terrorism against civilians.

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No. The PFLP commited a terrorist bombing in Bney-Brak this year, killing innocent israeli civillians. That wasn't very socialist of them.

hm, wasn't aware of that! :huh:

[dso79]

The pflp doesn't target civilians.
The Bnei Brak bomber targeted a group of soldiers near a bus stop, killing about three soldiers and one civilian bystander, I think.

[il Commie]

There were more than one bystander, I think there were 6.
And killing soldiers on vacation is also not helpful to the palestinian struggle.

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And killing soldiers on vacation is also not helpful to the palestinian struggle.

why not? :blink:

I don't want to see civilians killed but there aren't many true civilians in Israel since all fit members of the public are reservists and many are armed.

[il Commie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 11:59 PM

why not? :blink:

I don't want to see civilians killed but there aren't many true civilians in Israel since all fit members of the public are reservists and many are armed.
Because they don't play an aggressive role after returning from the territories.

What you said about israeli civilians being resevists is pure nonesense. It's like the stupid people in Israel who say every palestinian is a potential terrorist.

[dso79]

Occupation soldiers are a legitimate target on either side of the Green Line. The IDF also pursues Palestinian militants no matter where they are.
Besides, soldiers in the territories are fully prepared for combat and attacks against them usually aren't very successful, so it's smarter to attack them where they are vulnerable.

[Daymare17]

Hey Oglach, what you are basically saying is that the Israeli workers have a country.

Not very Marxist is it?

[il Commie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 03:02 PM
The IDF also pursues Palestinian militants no matter where they are.
Yeah. Let's take example from them.

Hizbulla waged war against the occupation army inside Lebanon. That was what freed Lebanon. The rockets on Kiriat Shmona only made the war longer because the gave the israeli goverment "security" excuse.

That's something the palestinians should learn from.

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Hey Oglach, what you are basically saying is that the Israeli workers have a country.

Not very Marxist is it?

And are you actually denying that a colonizing is going on, one that is the most brutal since the Nazi's holocaust?

By your logic, since there is no such entity as a country, there is no such thing as imperialism.

Not very Marxist of youse a mhac.

Not that a follower of Leon would know much about Marxism to begin with.


Because they don't play an aggressive role after returning from the territories.

What you said about israeli civilians being resevists is pure nonesense. It's like the stupid people in Israel who say every palestinian is a potential terrorist.

I love the arrogance of folks who don't have a gun to their head telling everyone else what is correct and so on. I don't support suicide bombings either, just think you're a silly bunch to tell everyone else who to defend themselves from imperialist aggression.

[il Commie]

I love the arrogance of folks who don't have a gun to their head telling everyone else what is correct and so on. I don't support suicide bombings either, just think you're a silly bunch to tell everyone else who to defend themselves from imperialist aggression.

1. I love the arrogance folks who don't have a bomb in their bus telling everyone else to die on a terrorist bombing. I personally would not agree to support any terrorist organization, including the PFLP. Even if it sounds "selfish", I hate the occupation but I'm not willing to sacrifice any israeli civilian fighting it.

2. Since terrorism got them nowhere but the popular struggle of the 1st Intifada did, I think it's safe to say that killing israeli civilians is not the way the palestinians should go.

[Louis Pio]

And are you actually denying that a colonizing is going on, one that is the most brutal since the Nazi's holocaust?

Now this is just stupid and should be below your level.
What you have been saying is that all israelis are legitimate targets. This is exactly the kind of thing that will put a stop to any solution of the problem. It seems as a case of violence for the sake of violence instead of it being used to solve the situation.
The only solution to the situation will in the end be the joint struggle of Israelis and palestinian workers. Removing both the corrupt palestinian leadership and the Israeli capitalists.
The position you hold on palestine has much in common with the secterianism in North Ireland, which I tought you were against.


Not that a follower of Leon would know much about Marxism to begin with.

Considering you have just condoned individual terrorism and seem to think israelis are inheriently evil I don't think you should talk about marxism.

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What you have been saying is that all israelis are legitimate targets.

uh. . . no. <_<

I was only pointing out that this is a war between settlers and natives. Those wars by their very nature produce outlandish barbarism.

It&#39;s not really the same as the six counties of Ireland - the protestants have been there for a long time.

I agree that only working class unity can solve the problems in Palestine. Even if Palestine is independent, there will be the same issues of water use and limited resources to divide, which must be addressed on a class basis.


The only solution to the situation will in the end be the joint struggle of Israelis and palestinian workers. Removing both the corrupt palestinian leadership and the Israeli capitalists.

I agree 100 per cent.


Considering you have just condoned individual terrorism and seem to think israelis are inheriently evil I don&#39;t think you should talk about marxism.

where did you get that idea??? I don&#39;t even believe in such a thing as "evil". :lol: :o I also believe that suicide bombings are counter-productive and don&#39;t create class unity. The movement I belong to has always been opposed to them. I just despise crocodile tears from the capitalists.

If you abuse a people in every way possible, take away their rights and ability to resist so systematically. . . well, what do you expect really but the most desperate and irational acts?


oglachmcglinchey:
And are you actually denying that a colonizing is going on, one that is the most brutal since the Nazi&#39;s holocaust?

teis:
Now this is just stupid and should be below your level.


there are the highest number of people in concentration camps since WWII - the arab natives of "isreal".

Why shouldn&#39;t that be mentioned????????????????????????????&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

[Louis Pio]

I was only pointing out that this is a war between settlers and natives. Those wars by their very nature produce outlandish barbarism.

Now the settlers are something else than the citizens of Israel as a whole. However I don&#39;t think murdering their kids help anything even though they are occupiers.


where did you get that idea??? I don&#39;t even believe in such a thing as "evil". I also believe that suicide bombings are counter-productive and don&#39;t create class unity. The movement I belong to has always been opposed to them. I just despise crocodile tears from the capitalists.

From your posts it seemed you defended car bombs and the like.


If you abuse a people in every way possible, take away their rights and ability to resist so systematically. . . well, what do you expect really but the most desperate and irational acts?

Of course.

Well we agree so not much else needs to be said.

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misunderstandings always happen, my bad.

Anyway, sorry for my uncomradely or arrogant tone towards the Teis and daymare.

[Louis Pio]

Well it&#39;s ok, I just get annoyed when people throw the word trot around.