Impeachment - Bush is too close to it

[Revolution Hero]

White House was informed by the CIA about the possibility of terrorist acts of September 11th. Bush was the one , who had not take any decisions in order to prevent the US citizens from the devastating attack.
Now US president stands in one step from the impeachment.

My opinion is that Bush and US government just let terrorist attack happen, in order to enter Afghanistan and some other Republics of the post-soviet union, and in order to spread American influence in the world even more over.

[Blasphemy]

according to today's paper, the CIA and the cabinet had no way of predicting such an attack. there was some intel, but it was insufficient.

anyway, it's about time someone in the US critizes bush.

[Lurker021]

Yes they let it happen so they could enter third world shit holes like Afganistan, sense plz~

[Guest1]

They need that damn oil pipeline from the caspian sea to the indian ocean, read up before criticizing my comrade. There is not a shadow of a doubt that they let it happen.

[Lurker021]

I wouldn't doubt that they are there now because of oil. But nobody can state the true nature of the warnings unless they have top level clearance. Yes they knew that there were somewhere around 200 suspected terrorists in the country around the time, but its extremly tough to come to specifics. If your telling me they knew that they would be flying planes (and they knew who would be on them, and what flights) and that they knew the destinations of the planes show me, I would like to see the proof.

Was Bush an idiot for not having "at least" put out a national warning, yes. But in all honesty, I really doubt Bush would be so perverted to not disclose specifics if he had had them.

BTW Che y Marijuana can you by chance give me links to the information so that I may become enlightened like yourself?

(Edited by Lurker021 at 3:45 am on May 21, 2002)

[j]

Bush Sucks. But he didn't let 9-11 happen. The intelligence should have led them to some conclusion but flying planes into buildings? That shit just doesn't happen. If people did know about the attacks then I doubt ol' GWB knew. You gotta remember that most presidents, especially Bush, act on what their aides tell them. They are basically puppets.

Now Bush is not wholely upset by our current situation. As a matter of fact I think he probably likes it, but I truly believe he did not know and could not have known.

[RedRevolutionary87]

how about this scenario...world trade center buildings are old, they would cost billions to demolish or redo, there is oil in the caspian that isnt profitable without a pipline going through afghanistan, all opposition can be crushed and justified by calling them terrorrists. each of these benefits alone arent enough to intentionaly kill your own citizens, but together they make for some nice money....a couple of planes are cheaper than demolishing two building in the middle of nyc, and best of all british insurence pays for it all. support for iraq was growing, but all of a sudden no1 cares for them because they "harbour terrorrists". oil prices were growing, but you drop two bombs and it falls. afghanistan would never allow Us piplines running through the country, but the new government will...it all fits nicely together...

[CheGuevara]

Yes, Bush probably didn't know that the highjacked planes would be used as missiles. He did, however, know about the planning of several highjackings. Wouldn't the highjacking of several airplanes containing almost all Americans be sufficient to beat the shit out of Afghanistan, or at least prop up the support of a failing president?

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from RedRevolutionary87 on 11:42 pm on May 20, 2002
how about this scenario...world trade center buildings are old, they would cost billions to demolish or redo, there is oil in the caspian that isnt profitable without a pipline going through afghanistan, all opposition can be crushed and justified by calling them terrorrists. each of these benefits alone arent enough to intentionaly kill your own citizens, but together they make for some nice money....a couple of planes are cheaper than demolishing two building in the middle of nyc, and best of all british insurence pays for it all. support for iraq was growing, but all of a sudden no1 cares for them because they "harbour terrorrists". oil prices were growing, but you drop two bombs and it falls. afghanistan would never allow Us piplines running through the country, but the new government will...it all fits nicely together...
Since when did anyone think that the World Trade Center might need to be demolished anytime soon? There are buildings in New York City that are much taller than that, and as for any refurbishing that might have needed to be done, that surely would have cost less than the post-9/11 deepening of the economic recession. About the oil pipeline, I don't believe it. I mean, I believe that the US wanted a pipeline, but I don't believe it would willingly lose two buildings in order to get one. The US secretly finances armies all the time, and it could have trained and financed the Northern Alliance and no one would have made a peep. The air strikes mostly made everything go faster and easier, and it was only done in a high-profile manner to satisfy the American people's thirst for blood. But don't be fooled, the US would have found a way to get that pipeline without bombing the shit out of Afghanistan.

Lindsay

[Revolution Hero]

It's not just about pipeline. But also about geopolitics. US just spreads the territory of it's neo-colonial and dependent countries. The politic of imperialism still lives on, as it is the last stage of capitalism and US is the most developed capitalist country.
Afghanistan is open to the transnational corporations- New robbing of poor country, and their new world order of fighting terrorism is just a good reason to rob. Maybe Afghanistan is not that rich, but it opens kind of the bridge to some new independent states (post soviet union republics).
New territory, more money. That is the most favorite saying of capitalists.

[Blasphemy]

the president of the united states get hundreds of intel reports every single day. he can't be expected to read all of them. someone in the white house or in the CIA should have diverted his attention to the specific report that talked about the terrorists who carried out the terrible terrorist attack. bush cannot be blamed for 9-11.

[Josip Broz Tito]

And what about this scenario:

U$A can survive if it has some enemy. That is the only way to justify great expenditure for armaments. Before it was USSR. When they destroyed it, they had to find some other enemy, and "international terrorism" is great choice. Even better if they are all Muslims, so who cares? Even better if there are some pipelines going trough the country. Also, Bush "won" the elections, we all know how. He wasn't very popular among ordinary Americans. After the attacks, he became more popular. (I am not saying that he is very popular figure now, but it has more support than before the attacks). And of course, there is Israel. It is easier to support Israel in killing Palestinians, because Palestinians are just Muslims, they have a habit of exploding in the middle of crowd, so, they have to be terrorist

[Foo]

Well seems we got a bunch of conspirators here.You all seem to be determiend that Amerika is the big bad guy, well personally i would much prefer them as the major power than many other nations in the world.
I am very much for the Allied Nations of stopping this tyranny in these countrys by stopping the terrorist and the corrupt groups that harbour them.
If i was one of the people of a country like Afghanistan who were left homeless and broke etc. with a civil war going on, i would want foreign help to boot them otu and implement Democracy.Thast the whole reason im here at this forum.I wish to help in some way to stop as much tyranny in the world as possible.
Like Che was doing in overthrowing those dictators.
Not much on the topic but what the hell :)
Foo!

[Fires of History]

Bush will never be impeached over anything regarding September 11. However, Enron should be investigated more thoroughly, but, hmm...*shocker* that issue has gone strangely silent.