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ComradeRed
5th September 2004, 02:55
Originally posted by The Portable Karl Marx Library
(pg. xxii) Karl Marx, it is often said, 'combined' German Philosophy, French Politics, and English economics. What exactly is "French Politics"?

Essential Insignificance
5th September 2004, 03:03
Marx actually said something to that effect in one of his writings.

To sum it up abruptly -- "French socialism".

ComradeRed
5th September 2004, 03:07
Which writing was that again?

Essential Insignificance
5th September 2004, 03:28
Which writing was that again?

Marx actually wrote: "it must be said that that the German proletariat is the theoretician of the European socialism, just as the English proletariat is it's political economist and the French it's politician".

I think that it was just in response to Weitling's Guarantees of Harmony and Freedom, published in 1842 -- and most surprisingly, Marx thought very highly of Weitling and his book. At the time is was, very popular, and gave some theoretical and practical foundation to German socialism.

I fairly certain that Marx wrote it in 1844, so, therefore, I inclined to think, that it would of appeared somewhere in The Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts of 1844... but I'm not too sure.

socialistfuture
5th September 2004, 07:07
i got mis-led from the title and found something on french politics - the main commie parties there - have a look
http://reds.linefeed.org/france.html

eg.The Alternatives (Les Alternatifs): Formed in 1999 by two smaller eco-socialist groupings: The Red and Green Alternative (AREV) and the Convention for a Progressive Alternative (CAP). While voicing similar demands to the Greens for stronger environmental protection, Les Alternatifs also incorporates some of the ideas of the late Parti socialiste unifié (such as autogestion). Though it maintains a presence in the anti-globalization movements, Les Alternatifs is not yet a truly national organization. Consequently, the group did not field Presidential or legislative candidates in 2002.

there is also the UK and US versions of the main leftist parties with definitions of each.

Abadali_the_Scholar
7th September 2004, 02:48
French Politics is to lose....

unless lead by a non french.. or they are defeating themselves..

Essential Insignificance
7th September 2004, 10:01
French Politics is to lose....

unless lead by a non french.. or they are defeating themselves..

Do you care to "inflate" ; for I'm very interested.

Abadali_the_Scholar
12th September 2004, 19:25
heh dont know what inflate means..
but here it is anyways


- Gallic Wars
- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by of all things, an Italian.

- Hundred Years War
- Mostly lost, saved at last by female schizophrenic who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman." Sainted.

- Italian Wars
- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

- Wars of Religion
- France goes 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

- Thirty Years War
- France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway. Claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring her.

- War of Revolution
- Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

- The Dutch War
- Tied

- War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War
- Lost, but claimed as a tie. Three ties in a row induces deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

- War of the Spanish Succession
- Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

- American Revolution
- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

- French Revolution
- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

- The Napoleonic Wars
- Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

- The Franco-Prussian War
- Lost. Germany first plays the role of drunk Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

- World War I
- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

- World War II
- Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Wessel Song.

- War in Indochina
- Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu

- Algerian Rebellion
- Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

- War on Terrorism
- France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador fail after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.


this is true but still a joke so dont hate me for it lol....

Essential Insignificance
16th September 2004, 11:36
Thanks. :)