Leftist Militia Cells

[Spartacus2002]

Would it be illegal to operate leftist militia cells in canada, i mean seriously, things aren't getting alot brighter in our world these days... call me stupid but at the back of my mind i still thing it possible that the US might try and annexe canada some day. Am i stupid for even considering this possible? anyways... i think that Leftist militias are a good idea kind of anarcho-communist in nature no central structure but just n case ya know.

[BOZG]

On what basis do you think a militia should be formed? By a group of leftists coming together?

[Guest]

get off "militias"
fuckin nazi :lol: :ph34r: :ph34r:

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

Aren't most militia's a bunch of nuts who run around in Arizona and Montana playing "army?"

...not that I would be completely against it...

[BOZG]

Originally posted by The wise old [email protected] 5 2004, 07:12 AM
Aren't most militia's a bunch of nuts who run around in Arizona and Montana playing "army?"

...not that I would be completely against it...
American militias tend to be. The idea that leftists need to argue for is the idea of a 'workers' militia', one which is accountable to the unions and the communities of that militia. The basis for forming a militia in capitalist countries does not really exist and the formation of one would probably do more harm than good, allowing the state to repress the left even more so. Even to form a militia where the circumstances do exist but amongst a group of friends is incorrect because it's marginalising itself from the workers movement.

[YKTMX]

Militias in advanced capitalist countries are pointless.

[BOZG]

Under rpesent conditions.

[Rasta Sapian]

organized leftist militia's in the industrialized free world is a very dangerous idea, during our present time of anti-terrorism. To take up arms in defiance of nationalism would be a very dangerous idea. I would recommend smaller anarchist groups focused on anti-monopolation/globlization, propoganda is our key not fear or terrorism!

[cormacobear]

It would be very dangerous to advertise asa left wing militia would make you a tartget for all those crazy right wing militias who are in fact crazy enough to come hurt you and yours.

So whatever you do don't recruit very widely or publicly. Feel free to get together under safe conditions and learn survival and military tactics, it may be usefull one day, but I doubt that whatever occurs a couple of small groups will make any difference.

[Louis Pio]

I agree that forming militias considering the present conditions in Europe and similar places would only open up for repression. In much of the world it's however different, like Venezuela for example.

But that doesn't mean we can't learn how to use guns, taking a period in the army or learning to shoot proper would be a good idea for the most of us.

[choekiewoekie]

I think even discussing this matter makes you an interesting person for your right winged government. Even here you have to be carefull about what you say.
Besides that, i don't think a left winged militia could ever be strong enough these days. Or it has to be a very very well organised larg organisation. That´s risking your life i guess, and it´s not sure it would make any diffrence. I do not consider militia a the best way to change ways in us politics..

[Spartacus2002]

get the heck off the US buddy, there is more in the world then them, basically why dont we bring the Iraq war home, like weathermen or something? but you got train first... just the fact us in North america are exploiting the rest of the world means we should act, to hell wheather our countrymen recognize it or not... the rest of the world will, you guys see things to much in terms of borders and not people and suffering, the people of IRaq, Africa are all just as much our brothers as anyone else and that alone makes it worth fighting for

[Rasta Sapian]

yes, we have sisters and brothers all over the world, and yes they are being exploited and conquered by whom? by what? by impirialism, so yes, let all of the left unite worldwide and standup for everybody, not just ourselves!

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 07:47 AM
American militias tend to be. The idea that leftists need to argue for is the idea of a 'workers' militia', one which is accountable to the unions and the communities of that militia. The basis for forming a militia in capitalist countries does not really exist and the formation of one would probably do more harm than good, allowing the state to repress the left even more so. Even to form a militia where the circumstances do exist but amongst a group of friends is incorrect because it's marginalising itself from the workers movement.
I think, because it is a big part of their constitution, it would be not only possible but nessesary for the American left to form militias.

As for the rest of the west, it would all have to be formed in secret. And we wouldn't be allowed to march in the streets for the reason of gaining support, so we wouldn't be as successful.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:50 PM
I think, because it is a big part of their constitution, it would be not only possible but nessesary for the American left to form militias.

As for the rest of the west, it would all have to be formed in secret. And we wouldn't be allowed to march in the streets for the reason of gaining support, so we wouldn't be as successful.
Supposedly. The problem though is that the formation of a militia by the American left could be very quickly misconstrued. It would be very easy for the Right to claim that this militia was being formed for the overthrow of the Govt. which is what it would be used for to some purpose, at some point. Under that reasoning, it could be very easily classified as a terror group and banned.

That's why I argued that a militia must be formed under the backing of the unions and of communities, it is the only way to guarantee a mandate by the population, that can't be manipulated by the right.

[Louis Pio]

That's why I argued that a militia must be formed under the backing of the unions and of communities, it is the only way to guarantee a mandate by the population, that can't be manipulated by the right.

Exellent point.

[Spartacus2002]

Well most of us tend to be in agreement, so lets start organizing according to region, we'll do it in cells? anyone here from ontario?

[Xvall]

I'm pretty much with BOZ here. In a country like the United States, forming a militia is pointless. I can understand, however, left-wing militias such as the FARC in Columbia. In American, however, any left-wing militia would not only be grossly ineffective, but would immediately allow the American Government to know exactly who is associated with the left, who harbors ideals of overthrowing the American Government, and so fourth.

[NovelGentry]

Part of the reason that the constitution of the US allows militias is for the percise reason of protecting people from the government and in essence overthrowing it. The founding fathers realized that they themselves needed militia in order to overthrow the British Imperialism at the time and furthermore to protect the interests of the people.

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient causes; and, accordingly, all experience [has] shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce [the people] under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." - Thomas Jefferson

I fail to see where Mr. Jefferson says that this only applies to foreign, colonial, or imperial governments. It is indeed part of his point that when ANY government, your own or that of another nation, is long held in a position of exploitation and control over a people, that it is the peopls right and duty to overthrow it.

[Xvall]

I'm not saying that we shouldn't. I'm just saying that if we did, chances are we would fail miserably and only damage ourselves.

[NovelGentry]

And I'm not saying you said we shouldn't.... I'm just saying we have a right to. Furthermore I think it depends on how you look at it. Why does militia have to be recognized as militia, why can't it just be loose nit organized rebels who undertake guerilla warfare when the time is right. Until then it's only training, something which the government wouldn't notice unless it was too large and unified.

A militia of 200 people could be split into 20 militias of 10 people, of which would have no links to each other aside from the fact that they are all leftists. If they are all socialist and communist they agree on the general goals and purpose, and that is the only unity that is needed, until revolution is spread on a larger scale.

It becomes the responsibility of the leaders of these small militia to know when the time is right. If they jump the gun they will not succeed, however, if they truly understand when revolution is ripe then these hundreds or thousands of small leftist militias would be extremely successful. They would not be a unified body but would all be fighting for the same thing, thus would be unified by the necessity of the struggle.

[Kevin]

you are all forgetting one thing. i am a capitalist pig dog if you will. I love the United States, capitalism , and my freedom. You cannot defeat us, there are too many of us. We have more guns than the left ever will. We are not fascists, we are freedom loving americans and will kill you communists at the drop of a hat. Dont even try this revolution bullshit, you will only humiliate yourselves.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 04:27 AM
you are all forgetting one thing. i am a capitalist pig dog if you will. I love the United States, capitalism , and my freedom. You cannot defeat us, there are too many of us. We have more guns than the left ever will. We are not fascists, we are freedom loving americans and will kill you communists at the drop of a hat. Dont even try this revolution bullshit, you will only humiliate yourselves.
Well thank you dropping by Kevin, it's been nice seeing you, please, if you have any further comments, proceed to the opposing ideologies forum.

And, my friend, there are not nearly as many of "you" as you think... ignorance is truly bliss, no? Quick question, Kevin: Which country has the biggest army in the world?

And guns, lol, you moron, guns are merely a secondary weapon whne it comes to revolution.

Oh, and Communists aren't pacifists, it'd be in you best interest to remember that.

Also, may of us conclude militia cells would be innefective, so read the posts before you post.

[Militant]

I always thought that a leftist militia, as a sort of armed wing of the communist party would be a good idea. Offer it as a camp for 16-24 year olds for free. It would be on some land we own out in the country. Would focus on self-protection, self-reliance, leadership, organizationally skills and development of personally leftist philosophy. Imagine, twenty youths in a group that share the same beliefs, something they have never experianced before in all likelyhood. I think seeing that there is other(!) young communists out there would curb dropout in the party. Knowing about the other communists out there would instill them with hope!

Most would return to their neighborhood and pass on what they learned, maybe even form a small local militia. Others, who volunteer, might serve as a the communist party security apparatus, guard party buildings, leadership and stuff. If you figure we could run 2,000 people through these style camps a year, and each imparted a lot of what they learn to 5 other people, then we would be training 12,000 revolutionary fighters directly and indirectly.

But I think the most important aspect of these "camps" would be instilling a sense of unity, something that is sorely lacking in the far-left today. Whether this is merely between campmates, I hope this feeling of fraternity would spread through the ranks.

[POFO_Communist]

I'm not sure starting any kind of militia or forming any type of 'cell' is such a good idea if you plan to do it in the USA. Chances are, you'll have the FBI or CIA knocking at you door. Especially not at this present type, when the US is obsessed with homeland security.

I however do believe it would be possible to pull something off here in Australia. Sadly, Australia lacks the marxist element. Australians only care about their beer and their women. Not much else.

Why don't all you comrades migrate to Australia? It'll only take you 20 years to get a permanent visa. If you try taking shortcuts and end up here illegally, you'll be locked up in a 'detention centre' (Gaol/Jail) for at least 4-5 years.

Don't bother claiming to be a refugee, the government will only accuse you of being a terrorist more readily, fucking fascist pricks....

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 03:36 AM
I always thought that a leftist militia, as a sort of armed wing of the communist party would be a good idea. Offer it as a camp for 16-24 year olds for free. It would be on some land we own out in the country. Would focus on self-protection, self-reliance, leadership, organizationally skills and development of personally leftist philosophy. Imagine, twenty youths in a group that share the same beliefs, something they have never experianced before in all likelyhood. I think seeing that there is other(!) young communists out there would curb dropout in the party. Knowing about the other communists out there would instill them with hope!

Most would return to their neighborhood and pass on what they learned, maybe even form a small local militia. Others, who volunteer, might serve as a the communist party security apparatus, guard party buildings, leadership and stuff. If you figure we could run 2,000 people through these style camps a year, and each imparted a lot of what they learn to 5 other people, then we would be training 12,000 revolutionary fighters directly and indirectly.

But I think the most important aspect of these "camps" would be instilling a sense of unity, something that is sorely lacking in the far-left today. Whether this is merely between campmates, I hope this feeling of fraternity would spread through the ranks.
And where exactly would these camps get their mandate from? The problem is that establishing such a camp where it hasn't got any mass support will result in it being demonised by the capitalist class and offer a base for repression. The formation of any militia must be done on the terms of communities and trade unions. After all, these are the people that militias must be accountable to.

[king Royale]

First i have to say that in an advanced capitilist country you would set up a militia, only in an advanced capitalist country can revolution be had. However militias are pointless as they are typically underground. you cannot have a revolution with a small number of people and no popular support. This is why I prefer the method that the Black Panthers used.

[bunk]

The thing is though the cops don't go into hoods and start arresting people randomly so much as they used to, i think there'd be a lack of support for civil defence patrols.

[MiniOswald]

Well look at groups like brigade rosse and the japanese red army, never really worked did it? im not saying it wouldnt be effective, but its difficult and chances our militias would be shunned by society as too 'extremist'

[Freedom Writer]

I am pacifist. <_<

[Xvall]

Can I do drugs on the milita cell campus? I&#39;ll join if I can.

[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by Freedom [email protected] 18 2004, 07:25 PM
I am pacifist. <_<
Are you suggesting we sit down with these people and have milk and cookies and have a discussion? :blink: Just look at what this "Kevin" person said. That explains it all what they would do to us.


And where exactly would these camps get their mandate from? The problem is that establishing such a camp where it hasn&#39;t got any mass support will result in it being demonised by the capitalist class and offer a base for repression. The formation of any militia must be done on the terms of communities and trade unions. After all, these are the people that militias must be accountable to.
I completely agree with you.

They would be doomed for failure if they&#39;re not accountable to the trade unions and communities.

[Djehuti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 03:50 PM
Would it be illegal to operate leftist militia cells in canada, i mean seriously, things aren&#39;t getting alot brighter in our world these days... call me stupid but at the back of my mind i still thing it possible that the US might try and annexe canada some day. Am i stupid for even considering this possible? anyways... i think that Leftist militias are a good idea kind of anarcho-communist in nature no central structure but just n case ya know.
The urban guerilla battle is history. That strategy was proved wrong.
Ofcource we will have to take up weapons sooner or later, in this case later.
Lets settle on building up the communist movement instead of fighting battles that we cannot win. Lets spread every-day communism, and helt activiting the proletarians.

[Freedom Writer]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 03:17 PM
Are you suggesting we sit down with these people and have milk and cookies and have a discussion? :blink: Just look at what this "Kevin" person said. That explains it all what they would do to us.
Im not saying what we should do. I just said that I am pacifist.

Wiki about pacifism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifism)

http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/5/5a/WeFightCartoon.jpg
"Leading Citizens want War and declare War; Citizens Who are Led fight the War"

There are somethings that I am willing to fight for, but I am not joining some redneck gang with dreams of revolution(compare: Hitlers first "revolution" which ended in jail :D ). When the time comes and it seems right Im in, but for now it seems.. well.. <_< not possible.

[king Royale]

The thing is though the cops don&#39;t go into hoods and start arresting people randomly so much as they used to, i think there&#39;d be a lack of support for civil defence patrols.

True, but I mean building up support in the community. Being above ground. Letting everyone know your name.


Can I do drugs on the milita cell campus? I&#39;ll join if I can.

I may get some flak for this. I believe that marijuana should be legalized. However in a revolutionary organization sobriety should be promoted in the community. Many people will not focus on the revolution when drugs have taken over their lives. Note the word MOST. This is not an attack on Drake Dracoli

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 08:43 PM
The urban guerilla battle is history. That strategy was proved wrong.
Ofcource we will have to take up weapons sooner or later, in this case later.
Lets settle on building up the communist movement instead of fighting battles that we cannot win. Lets spread every-day communism, and helt activiting the proletarians.
I completely agree that the days of guerrilla warfare are generally over but an armed militia does not have to be part of a guerilla movement. A militia could merely be an armed wing of the community or trade union movement which defends workers etc. In 1913 during an the Great Lockout in Ireland, the Irish Citizen&#39;s Army was formed as a militia to defend the workers on the picket line.

[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by Freedom [email protected] 19 2004, 07:50 PM
Im not saying what we should do. I just said that I am pacifist.

Wiki about pacifism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacifism)

http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/5/5a/WeFightCartoon.jpg
"Leading Citizens want War and declare War; Citizens Who are Led fight the War"

There are somethings that I am willing to fight for, but I am not joining some redneck gang with dreams of revolution(compare: Hitlers first "revolution" which ended in jail :D ). When the time comes and it seems right Im in, but for now it seems.. well.. <_< not possible.
Oh, ok&#33; :lol:

I&#39;m sorry, man. For a second there when you said that I thought you ment you were against armed struggle altogether. My bad.

[Latifa]

I always thought that the most disgusting policy of the local extreme right party was a civilian militia. I doubt anything good will come of your militia.

[Spartacus2002]

i doubt any good will come by sitting on our collective communist asses

[king Royale]

Very true Spartacus, however a militia is also not the answer. The answer right now is a revolutionary organization that is the vanguard of the revolution. An organization that raises the awareness of the public through speaches and actions. Everything that this organization does however, must be within the law as the authorities come down brutally on revolutionary groups. This was evidenced in the 70&#39;s with COINTELPRO and the Black Panthers.

[Xvall]

I may get some flak for this. I believe that marijuana should be legalized. However in a revolutionary organization sobriety should be promoted in the community. Many people will not focus on the revolution when drugs have taken over their lives. Note the word MOST. This is not an attack on Drake Dracoli

Don&#39;t worry about it. I understand entirely. I was kidding about the drugs on campus thing anyways. I would probably prefer my fellow soldiers to be capable of aiming as well&#33;

[Djehuti]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 04:27 AM
you are all forgetting one thing. i am a capitalist pig dog if you will. I love the United States, capitalism , and my freedom. You cannot defeat us, there are too many of us. We have more guns than the left ever will. We are not fascists, we are freedom loving americans and will kill you communists at the drop of a hat. Dont even try this revolution bullshit, you will only humiliate yourselves.
I agree&#33; The communists will never defeat you, and we shall not try. We shall not raise an army against you. Though we will help raising the proletarians, and they are far more mighty then any force you could ever put up. You know, the proletarians are basicly having all the power in their hands, they just have to understand it. Who will shoot your rifles? Who will make your tanks? Who will feed you? Transport your resources? Create your wealth? We are everything without you. You are nothing without us.

[fernando]

Hmmm...Im getting Fight Club ideas in my mind...something like Project Mayem :lol:

[apathy maybe]

Only trouble is that in Fight Club there was no political purpose behind it. The idea of Fight Club was that it was a bunch of bored men lead by a person who had multiple personalities.

The concept of random bombings (or even not so random) and doing shit like smashing up supermarkets is dangerous. You would have to make sure that you knew exactly what you were doing, were all the exits were, what doors locked etc.

Forming a militia (backed by a group such as a union) in the USA is a much better idea. Not that splashing iodide around a government building is fundemantally bad, it just doesn&#39;t achieve much.

What you should be aiming for is actually achieving something. That something should be the promotion of leftist ideas and ideals.

[fernando]

Only trouble is that in Fight Club there was no political purpose behind it. The idea of Fight Club was that it was a bunch of bored men lead by a person who had multiple personalities.

I have to disagree with you there, to me it was like a way for these men to rebel against the consumer society as it is today. You dont have to do and be what these commercials are trying to indoctrinate you with. During the Project Mayem part it became open rebellion, attacking big companies and making people see how fucked up the consumer society is, eventually they blow up the credit card company building in order to start all over again...but this could also be seen as full equality...nobody would have money anymore...we would all be equal (financially).

It might not be the ideological revolution against capitalism but I see it more as a rebellion against the current consumer society we live in today.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 02:21 PM

I have to disagree with you there, to me it was like a way for these men to rebel against the consumer society as it is today. You dont have to do and be what these commercials are trying to indoctrinate you with. During the Project Mayem part it became open rebellion, attacking big companies and making people see how fucked up the consumer society is, eventually they blow up the credit card company building in order to start all over again...but this could also be seen as full equality...nobody would have money anymore...we would all be equal (financially).

It might not be the ideological revolution against capitalism but I see it more as a rebellion against the current consumer society we live in today.
As Lenin said, liberals with bombs. Like all anti-consumerism movements, they follow a liberal ideology, relegating the role that the working class plays in society. By waging a war against consumer society, you&#39;re telling people that they are merely buyers, nothing more, that their power lies in buying things, a very incorrect step. If you want to wage a war against consumer society, you must wage a war against capitalism at the step time but from the perspective of the working class, from the perspective of producers.

[fernando]

For a part I agree...but most of these consumers are the proletariat (most of them)...I mean they (the big companies) tell the people to buy certain products, to act a certain way, almost even to think a certain way. Nowadays its both the companies and the capitalist governments who control you, and they both back each other up. (something which you can see very clearly in the U&#036;) If the people rebel against the companies it would be revolution almost, the government steps in...then we also rebel against the government, we keep the companies alive by buying stuff, we keep the government alive by iving our money and producing the good the companies and the governments need.

[gaf]

i never say it...........
this is where fascisme begins..........



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[BOZG]

What are you talking about?

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 02:15 PM
What are you talking about?
militia....
or may be you just forgot what the tread was about.

[BOZG]

I know what you meant but do you care to explain how?

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 02:20 PM
I know what you meant but do you care to explain how?
other what?


militia becoming nazi like, or what what?

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 02:20 PM
I know what you meant but do you care to explain how?
other what?


militia becoming nazi like, or what what?

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 03:54 PM
other what?


militia becoming nazi like, or what what?
sorry for dubble i had a overflow thing...........

[fernando]

how do you see militant movements to be fascist immediatly...just because they are militant? That is the same as saying that all soldiers are fascists because they are militaristic <_<

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 04:23 PM
how do you see militant movements to be fascist immediatly...just because they are militant? That is the same as saying that all soldiers are fascists because they are militaristic <_<

militants(militia) hum sorry made a mistake

choices man choices and if they are not they will ,so stupid as it sounds .say just no.
did you ever had to kill.?

[fernando]

so no killing? how would one win the revolution? well perhaps the Russian Revolution would be an example...but didnt the royal family get executed then?

[gaf(forgot to log in)]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 04:26 PM
so no killing? how would one win the revolution? well perhaps the Russian Revolution would be an example...but didnt the royal family get executed then?
and the french with hun revolution.....i guess they just forgot napoleon.
from militants to militia to army and there we go again.

[fernando]

revolution is a quick and radical change...people might die...its not like we are havng a cup of tea with our enemies ;)

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 05:51 PM
revolution is a quick and radical change...people might die...its not like we are havng a cup of tea with our enemies ;)
no it&#39;s not quick and history did learn us it&#39;is no so radical...and of course people will die.
and what are you assuming by having a cup of tea with your enemy?
of course i&#39;m assuming you know what you&#39;re talkin about

[Guest]

ah you idiots. cant you see. no leftist militia will ever work. first off, the montana militia outnumbers all members of any communist, socialist, anarchist party in america. There are over 1000 different militias in america today. many of them express disdain for the federal government but hate communism and leftist fags like yourselves. my group however, defends this country and our government and youd have to get by us first in your attempt at a revolution. there are more of us than there are of you. please remember that you sad pathetic che guevara pansies.

[fernando]

You sound like a great person to kill :lol: 1000 militas? and how many of them are as moronic as you are?

[Kevin]

oh you naive commies you. the last thing i want in my country is a revolution that throws the government into chaos resulting in the rape of our women, robberies of our houses and murder of our families. im a right wing conservative, and as much as i hate communism and any form of violent dissent against this country, the last thing i want is a war with you guys. face it, there are more of us than there are of you. there are more right wing militias with guns than there are black panthers or anything else like that. the only reason i wouldnt want a war with you guys, is because of the inherant anarchy and police state style oppression it would leave our country in. i love my family and wouldnt want to see what would happen when the criminals in the city next to me hear that we are at war and revolution and decide to go out and murder, rape, and set fire to everything. my springfield m1a will put a stop to you guys from 500 yards anyway.

[The Garbage Disposal Unit]

anarchy and police state style oppression

Kevin, comrade, you need to do some reading, and you need to look at yr situation with a critical eye. What are the driving forces behind crime? What are the real threats to the safety of you and yr family?

Don&#39;t let them leave you living in fear . . .

Speaking of which, do you plan on going from collectivized workplace to collectivized workplace, gunning down workers councils with your "springfield m1a"? Do you plan on hunting down the people who are organizing neighbourhood councils and aranging directly democratic control of their communitees? I mean, what do you think the revolution is all about? When we say revolution, we&#39;re not talking about eating yr babies and slashing yr tires - we&#39;re talking about taking power out of the hands of society&#39;s ruling elite and empowering everyone to sieze control of their own lives. Unless you&#39;re planning a crazed shooting spree, I don&#39;t expect you&#39;ll need your "springfield m1a" to fight off a revolutionary cadre occupying yr back-yard.

Dork.

[refuse_resist]

MILITIA OF MONTANA

The Militia of Montana (M.O.M.) is among the most visible and the most extreme of such groups in the country. M.O.M. is run in Noxon, Montana by the Trochmann brothers, John and David and David&#39;s son Randy. all of whom have long been involved in the white supremacist movement. The Trochmanns have been members of the Aryan Nations, the Idaho based neo-Nazi organization that promotes anti-Semitism, white supremacy and the establishment of a white racist state. John Trochmann was a featured speaker at the Aryan Nations Congress in 1990. He has also been an active supporter of Randy Weaver, the white supremacist who was involved in a shoot-out with federal authorities. Some members of M.O.M. circulate neo-Nazi publications among themselves. One such book, Seed of the Woman, is a "novel" detailing the wild exploits of several young neo-Nazis in a contemporary America peopled by gross stereotypes. Its favorable depiction of Nazi-inspired slaughter and its promotion of Nazi doctrine make it a prescription for violence against Jews, blacks. homosexuals and others.


While many of the militias that will emerge in the next few years do not have clear ties to white supremacists, MOM is a good example of those that do.

Although he will deny it, Trochmann has strong links to the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations group. MOM will soon become known as the "militia superstore" of the movement, selling propaganda, paramilitary manuals and other militia support items nationwide.

http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport...cle.jsp?pid=509 (http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?pid=509)

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[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 07:15 AM
oh you naive commies you. the last thing i want in my country is a revolution that throws the government into chaos resulting in the rape of our women, robberies of our houses and murder of our families. im a right wing conservative, and as much as i hate communism and any form of violent dissent against this country, the last thing i want is a war with you guys. face it, there are more of us than there are of you. there are more right wing militias with guns than there are black panthers or anything else like that. the only reason i wouldnt want a war with you guys, is because of the inherant anarchy and police state style oppression it would leave our country in. i love my family and wouldnt want to see what would happen when the criminals in the city next to me hear that we are at war and revolution and decide to go out and murder, rape, and set fire to everything. my springfield m1a will put a stop to you guys from 500 yards anyway.
yes they are. but the first thing you need is a miss revolution. and you agree that police state is inherent to the system you will fight for.and if you love your family. then be consequent. say no to those bastards (bush and co) who makes this wolrld really a chaotic one...because your children are going to pay for it.and a lot of solution ,behalve militia and killinng, won&#39;t be possible .....but this is your choice man . not mine

[Dyst]

There are thousand of degrees of militias. If any revolutionary militia is possible in the USA depends on the level of secrecy. Europe would be a little easier, but still, a high degree of secrecy had to be involved. It could never be a public army of any sort, if you would want it to survive long enough for anything to happen.

[Guest]

i understand there are alot of peaceful communists on here who are about the people governing themselves and helping each other out in their own governments and environments, sharing what they reap and sow etc. but the inherant nature of man is evil. to have an unstable government revolution will create anarchy. i know there are a few on this board who want nothing more than to execute people like me, kill cops, kill our soldiers etc. They are misguided individuals with a displaced hatred. But even if you thought for a second, that a peaceful revolution was possible, it would be hijacked by the people who are not. it would spin out of control and result in the bloodbath i presented above. and my m1a springfield is aimed at the ones who advocate violence against the police and military. its aimed at the ones on this board who agreed with the execution of right wingers etc. and it wouldnt be me going from place to place killing people. it would be swat teams, military units, national gaurd divisions, militias etc. i dont wish such death and destruction to my country. granted some of you dont want death and destruction, but it will, in all logic, result in it.

[Dyst]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 07:53 AM
i understand there are alot of peaceful communists on here who are about the people governing themselves and helping each other out in their own governments and environments, sharing what they reap and sow etc. but the inherant nature of man is evil. to have an unstable government revolution will create anarchy. i know there are a few on this board who want nothing more than to execute people like me, kill cops, kill our soldiers etc. They are misguided individuals with a displaced hatred. But even if you thought for a second, that a peaceful revolution was possible, it would be hijacked by the people who are not. it would spin out of control and result in the bloodbath i presented above. and my m1a springfield is aimed at the ones who advocate violence against the police and military. its aimed at the ones on this board who agreed with the execution of right wingers etc. and it wouldnt be me going from place to place killing people. it would be swat teams, military units, national gaurd divisions, militias etc. i dont wish such death and destruction to my country. granted some of you dont want death and destruction, but it will, in all logic, result in it.
First off, you are talking as if we were to create some militant army, which, in all publicity started an open war against right-wingers in the US. And I 100% agree that such a thing would definitively lead into a bloodbath, and the so-called revolution would be nothing but a bunch of miserable idiots filled with blood, whatever their cause.

Therefore, the "militia" would have to be secret, shouldn&#39;t be in the US (since so many conservatives like "guest" are there, wandering proudly around with an M1A Springfield rifle,) and it should for God&#39;s sake not start an open war against right-wingers&#33; Because then we would not achieve any of the goals a true marxist would want, other than killing off some dipshits. The true goal would always be socialism, so therefore the enemy would have to be the capitalists. May the right-winged middle class come as they want, the main enemy is always the rich bastards.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 08:15 AM
oh you naive commies you. the last thing i want in my country is a revolution that throws the government into chaos resulting in the rape of our women, robberies of our houses and murder of our families. im a right wing conservative, and as much as i hate communism and any form of violent dissent against this country, the last thing i want is a war with you guys. face it, there are more of us than there are of you. there are more right wing militias with guns than there are black panthers or anything else like that. the only reason i wouldnt want a war with you guys, is because of the inherant anarchy and police state style oppression it would leave our country in. i love my family and wouldnt want to see what would happen when the criminals in the city next to me hear that we are at war and revolution and decide to go out and murder, rape, and set fire to everything. my springfield m1a will put a stop to you guys from 500 yards anyway.
Our women? Since when do women belong to anyone but themselves?

[Kevin]

dont take that our women thing so critically. it was merely a figure of speech. as in our homes, etc.

[Guest_gaf]

you may be stanilist as stalinit as .or should i say faschiste or chaotics?

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 07:10 PM
you may be stanilist as stalinit as .or should i say faschiste or chaotics?
more stalinist .sorry