Patriot Act.

[redtrigger]

I'd like to know what all the Patriot Act entails and how it infringes the civil libertys of the citizenry of the United States.

[New Tolerance]

They can arrest you for the books you read, and can hold you without charge for an indefinate amount of time.

[h&s]

They can also go to bookshops and libraries and demand a list of what books people have been reading/ buying, and the workers at these shops aren't allowed to tell anyone that this has happened. This just meens the government can keep a record on individuals and track them, kinda' (well not kind of, it is) like a police state.

[refuse_resist]

The NSA (National Security Agency, which is basically big brother) now has the power to watch over everyone. It made this country the police state it is now. If you're on the phone and talk about anything, such as mention some sort of historic figure or say some other keyword, the conversation you're having will be automatically be recorded. The FBI and CIA have also been known to use this program called the Raptor, which basically gives them access to what sites you've been visiting, emails, chat rooms, instant messenges, etc.

What's gonna be worse is if that Patriot act II is passed. That would give them the power to take away someones citizenship if they get involved in any kind of civil disobediance. It would also expand the death penalty and that would probably become a lot more common, especially since the majority of Americans are highly in favor of it. When Bush was governor of Texas he had the most people out of any other state governor in history executed who were on death row. And of course to this day, he's happy about what he did.

[refuse_resist]

Check out this article...


Rep. Porter Goss, President Bush’s nominee to head the CIA, recently introduced legislation that would give the president new authority to direct CIA agents to conduct law-enforcement operations inside the United States—including arresting American citizens.

The legislation, introduced by Goss on June 16 and touted as an “intelligence reform” bill, would substantially restructure the U.S. intelligence community by giving the director of Central Intelligence (DCI) broad new powers to oversee its various components scattered throughout the government.

But in language that until now has not gotten any public attention, the Goss bill would also redefine the authority of the DCI in such a way as to substantially alter—if not overturn—a 57-year-old ban on the CIA conducting operations inside the United States.
Here's the rest of it. (http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/printer_5040.shtml)

[redtrigger]

So does this meas that the "black lists" people get put on for reading books like [I]Mein Kampf really exist?

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 04:05 PM
So does this meas that the "black lists" people get put on for reading books like [I]Mein Kampf really exist?
yes! Well..I know that they put you on a special list if you get Mein Kampf in a public libary

[redtrigger]

I cannot remember his name but there is an 18th century philosopher who said that when a goveernment becomes oppressive it is the duty of its citizens to replace. Would the terms of the Patriot Act be included in the type of oppresion he is pseaking of?

[Pawn Power]

It is very scary what the US governemnt can do to a person with the power of the Patriot Act. Look at what happened to Sherman Austin.

[ECGAmerica]

The first act by the Ministry of Truth was the regulation of education and books and the tracking of various people for various books they possessed.

[NovelGentry]

Someone in the channel asked for the actual bill so I googled it up and found this. To my understanding this is the copy which was passed by both Senate and the House of Reps.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107...p/~c1072HbxCW:: (http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:4:./temp/~c1072HbxCW::)