WHAT HAPPEN TO MUSIC?

[Major. Rudiger]

What happen to the good music there no more good rock bands out there they all turn poser or truned into some capes. Like the great bands in the 60s and 70s and some in the 80s. BUt hey all turned into crap. Take Offspring they had awsome music around 95 but know they are just crap. I want bands what were like the Doors or Led zipplin or even better Jefferson Airplane. Thus were some great bands and i want music that is spirtual and good like back in the day.

[BOZG]

I had them shot.

[DaCuBaN]

You fucking bastard! Bring them back!

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Music didnt die, there are plenty of good bands these days, it's just in hindsight The Doors, Led Zep seem like behemoths of music which they are. In 30 years time when shit arse rap is all encompassing you will look back at the Strokes and Franz Ferdinand and wonder what happened to good bands like them.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

You just have to look a little harder. Don't be a lazy dick.

[guerrillaradio]

I like Interpol. And Pretty Girls Make Graves.

[Urban Rubble]

God I fucking hate Pretty Girls Make Graves.

[The Forum Idiot]

Good modern bands:

Franz Ferdinand
The Strokes
The Libertines
Jet (kinda)
Green Day
Weezer (admittedly they were much better 10 years ago but they're not bad now)
Velvet Revolver
Linkin Park (kinda depends on how you like rap metal)
Muse (again, kinda)
PIXIES!!!!
Pearl Jam
Mudhoney are still going I think
Kings Of Leon


There are more I'm sure but I can't be arsed thinking of 'em now

However, think of all the crap bands and I see where you're coming from:

Crap "rock":

Busted
McFly
Good Harlot
Blink 182
Sum 41
Bowling For Soup (kinda crap)
Hoobastank (many disagree with me here but I really dislike them)
New Found Glory
The Rasmus
Evanescence
POD
Nickleback (I kinda like them but I'ma lone there)


Good bands are actually winning FYI.

[Hate Is Art]

Velvet Revolver are pretty old arent they??

There is a hugely amazing London Scence with bands like the Libertines and The Others, there's the detroit rock type thing with the White Stripes and Von Bondies, there is LOADS of good music about, stop whining!

[DaCuBaN]

There really isn't: The vast majority of music that makes radio airplay, for example is utter pish.

And if I'm not mistaken the libertines are aussies... They blow anyway, so it's a moot point :P Similarly, Franz Ferdinand are possible the most dull band I've heard since Travis - there is simply no depth whatsoever to the sound they create, and it's a worrying trend even in modern alternative circles.

I was browsing around this morning looking for something at least semi-bearable to listen to, and I found this site (http://www.insound.com/mp3/searchmp3.cfm?searchby=B) - there's shitloads of samplers on there, and some of it's crackin' stuff - I'm really enjoying Aarktica and Epic 45.

Music is totally subjective anyway, so really you shouldn't be asking what has happened to music, but why it is that you don't appreciate most modern music. Also, there's more than enough music out there, but to find it means getting involved in the local music scene: Get down to open mic nights, go to gigs of folk you've never heard of. If you like it, spread it round.

Otherwise music is left in the hands of the industry, and I'm sure most would agree that capitalist industries don't do anything for the sake of the thing itself: Monetary compensation is their driving concern.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Velvet Revolver are a new band featuring Dlash and Duff from Gun's n' Roses, they fucking rock, hard.

[Ziggy]

Originally posted by Major. [email protected] 1 2004, 01:13 PM
I want bands what were like the Doors or Led zipplin or even better Jefferson Airplane.
Jorma is still alive and puts on a great show, HOT FUCKING TUNA BABY!!

[The Forum Idiot]

To the idiot who reckons The Libertines are aussies:


THAT'S JET! JET ARE FROM AUSTRALIA, NOT THE GODDAMN LIBERTINES!

To The Arcadian Dream:

The velvet Underground are pretty old. From like 1964. They were avant garde weird ass rock. Velvet Revolver are totally different. I got confusled at first too.

[Ziggy]

anyobe who gets the velvet underground and confused with velvet revolver or anyone esle for that matter are idiots and should be shot (or at least something not too pleasant)

and by avant garde weird ass rock you mean fucking brilliant and musical geniuses

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 02:51 PM
and by avant garde weird ass rock you mean fucking brilliant and musical geniuses
hopefully.

And the Libertines, The Strokes, the Hives, The Vines, Jet, etc. are not that good.

[guerrillaradio]

Urgh.

Anyone who feels the need to carry out some kinda fretwanking proxy circus show listening to "musical geniuses" has to ask what they look for in music. How "talented" someone is is usually a moot point.

The best music in the world right now (well, since 1979) has been hardcore punk. Give it a go. It's pretty rad.

[wet blanket]

http://www.leonhendrix.com/
Keeping the legacy alive!
:lol:

[The Forum Idiot]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 10:10 PM
hopefully.

And the Libertines, The Strokes, the Hives, The Vines, Jet, etc. are not that good.
Yes, I do mean musical genius's. I just figured people might again get confused with Velvet Revolver coz VR have Slash.

And you're right, those bands aren't that good, especially when placed next to the gold old bands like Nirvana, Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Kinks, Old Metallica...

THere are still some good bands though....but most of them are just old bands which survived... Namely: Pearl Jam, Pixies, Metallica (ok, St Anger was trash but on the whole they're still going strong), Iron Maiden, Megadeth and The Breeders only stopped a couple years ago...

[DaCuBaN]

THAT'S JET! JET ARE FROM AUSTRALIA, NOT THE GODDAMN LIBERTINES!


Y'see? It's all so bland that unless you're "In the know" the difference is irrelevant.
Incidently, I was actually thinking of The Vines - but hey.


Anyone who feels the need to carry out some kinda fretwanking proxy circus show listening to "musical geniuses" has to ask what they look for in music. How "talented" someone is is usually a moot point.

Indeed. There are around 6,000,000,000 of us on the surface of this planet, a good number of whom are musically talented. It's the fact that it's turned into a multi-million pound industry means that only some music gets thrown at you: The rest you have to hunt for yourself.

[refuse_resist]

There are some good mainstream bands, but it just depends on your tastes.

Underground music is usually always the best though IMO. It's less motivated by money and greed.

[gaf]

monney or greed,greed or monney.that's the question

[The Forum Idiot]

That was the most pointless post I ever read. And arguably the stupidist. Congratulations *smiles and shakes hand before hugging*

[gaf]

Originally posted by The Forum [email protected] 3 2004, 07:03 PM
That was the most pointless post I ever read. And arguably the stupidist. Congratulations *smiles and shakes hand before hugging*
why did you stupid anwser?

[celtopunk]

What type of god music are interested in, christian, jewish, muslim...?

Most churches or other houses of worship will usually have soem god music.

[The Forum Idiot]

...Don't you just (love)hate a smart ass who can't realise there's a goddamn typo?

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 12:43 AM
What type of god music are interested in, christian, jewish, muslim...?

Most churches or other houses of worship will usually have soem god music.
Finally someone to take the air out of this thread. WHAT FUCKING BULLSHIT, music is great right now your just mostly mainstream fucks go and listen to Espers, Scout Niblett, Devendra Banhart, Andy Cabic, Joanna Newsom, Iron & Wine or Bonnie Prince Billy. Then you will shut up and realize I am right.

[Hate Is Art]

The Libertines are the most amazing band of our generation, everysong no matter how underproduced or erratic it sound it a complete nugget of pure english pop genuis.

Songs like Albion and What a Waster are the most amazing underground hits ever, songs about gin in tea cups on the lawn and violence at bus stops. These are the most amazing songs ever.

Even the stuff that made it onto their album and got a decent production job loses none of the shambloic nature of their earlier stuff. Songs about Rude Boys and Love and Music, its perfect, maybe you have to be English to get them but hey, they are the best and most original band for a long time. I urge you to download their stuff now.

[Floyd.]

Originally posted by The Arcadian [email protected] 4 2004, 10:52 AM
The Libertines are the most amazing band of our generation, everysong no matter how underproduced or erratic it sound it a complete nugget of pure english pop genuis.

Songs like Albion and What a Waster are the most amazing underground hits ever, songs about gin in tea cups on the lawn and violence at bus stops. These are the most amazing songs ever.

Even the stuff that made it onto their album and got a decent production job loses none of the shambloic nature of their earlier stuff. Songs about Rude Boys and Love and Music, its perfect, maybe you have to be English to get them but hey, they are the best and most original band for a long time. I urge you to download their stuff now.
Do you like Babyshambles? Do you like the Wolfman stuff?

[Hate Is Art]

I like For Lovers and Babyshambles but Pete Doc needs to get himself sorted.

[The Forum Idiot]

ComradeLaVista, have you got some kinda issues? You seem to be being a JACKASS lately. You don't need to call people who like mainstream musics "fucks". Mainstream music may be shit but its their opinion. Also, as its a similar subject, why the mother-fuck did you block me for saying I like 4 eminem songs, most of which even stuffy rock critics rave about (Stan, Cleanin' Out My Closet, Lose Yourself, Sing For The Moment). ComradeLaVista clearly has some issues so I think we should all step away from his musical biggotry and fascism.

[Free Spirit]

I want bands what were like the Doors or Led zipplin or even better Jefferson Airplane. Thus were some great bands and i want music that is spirtual and good like back in the day. You just took the words out of my mouth! :D Jim Morrison said that rock "n" roll was already dieing back in the 60's...but I would rather say it just became less of a bigger movement...
"It&#39;ll come back"... but the songs that were written at that time were very much your way of freedom, very psychedelic and spiritual. And yesterday I heard a "song" where they were singing about "you&#39;re my *****" and I find it as discrimination to women but also to music&#33; <_<

[Floyd.]

Comrade La Vista, have you got some kinda issues?

Well yes but not in relation to music.


You seem to be being a JACKASS lately.

I&#39;m of the opinion that you only think this because I blocked you on MSN after you told me you had just made an "awesome playlist" of music you wouldn&#39;t usually listen to, I said "like what" you replied "Eminem, Staind Guns n&#39; Roses" I fairly said it wasn&#39;t worth continuing the conversation and blocked you because I couldn&#39;t be bothered with what was about to happen.

I&#39;m not being a "jackass" to anyone but you, you&#39;ve just taken it way to seriously and decided to meke war.



You don&#39;t need to call people who like mainstream musics "fucks".

You&#39;d do the same, beside that&#39;s merely me getting emotional about something I believe in.


Mainstream music may be shit but its their opinion.

Precisely. Their opinion not mine, I shouldn&#39;t have to hear it if I choose not to, I really do hate evangelism. I&#39;m entitled to MY opinion am I not?


Also, as its a similar subject, why the mother-fuck did you block me for saying I like 4 eminem songs, most of which even stuffy rock critics rave about (Stan, Cleanin&#39; Out My Closet, Lose Yourself, Sing For The Moment).

Because they represent all that I do not, because the critics said that in a different time to the one we&#39;re in now, most now take back their praise and because I refuse to promote or in anyway endose that kind of music as okay. Also you were about to be really pig-headed and annoy the hell out of me about my opinion because you believe yours to be more right for some reason.


Also, as its a similar subject, why the mother-fuck did you block me for saying I like 4 eminem songs, most of which even stuffy rock critics rave about (Stan, Cleanin&#39; Out My Closet, Lose Yourself, Sing For The Moment).

Oh yes musical bigotry I openly admit to and endorse, how else do you discern what you like and do not, how else do you decide what is good and is not? Fascism now really you can&#39;t know much about fascism to be labelling me a fascist.

In summation this is just you being pissed off at me I will not reply again, try to keep it personal and not bother others at the forum with it or try to incite hate against me it is just childish and petty or better yet try to grow up I did something that offended you realise that this will happen many more times in your life.

To everyone else sorry about this. :(

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by The Forum [email protected] 4 2004, 01:18 PM
You don&#39;t need to call people who like mainstream musics "fucks".

Innit. Call them ****s instead.

[Invader Zim]

Hardcore punk 9 times out of ten is a complete bag of shit. Tjough to be fair a few real jems exist.

[The Forum Idiot]

Like The Clash? *drools uncontrollably* umm....clash....




As a last thing to comradelavista &#39;cause he probably will read this even if he doesn&#39;t respond:

I wasn&#39;t going to do anything, I know most people hate eminem, including me. He&#39;s a homophobe and therefore I hate him. But still, if you listen to the actual music it isn&#39;t that big. I wasn&#39;t going to be a vindictive asshole saying "he&#39;s good accept it" or anything. I was (and I ain&#39;t taking the piss, this seriously is what I was gonna say) gonna say "well, meh, I don&#39;t like him much, only a few songs". Its you who inthis instance is pushing your opinions on people. And effectively that is fascism, saying that only the p"perfect" should survive and be acknowledged musically. Hitler did the same damnthing but on a much larger scale.

[Hate Is Art]

the clash aren&#39;t hardcore punk kiddo, the jems of HP and Fugazi and Pretty Girls Make Graves.

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by The Arcadian [email protected] 5 2004, 12:12 PM
the clash aren&#39;t hardcore punk kiddo, the jems of HP and Fugazi and Pretty Girls Make Graves.
You are so ignorant it beggars believe. PGMG are quite clearly an indie rock band. How you can assign them the adjective "hardcore" is beyond me. You must have trouble breathing or something. As for Fugazi, they have hardcore influences but most definitely are not it. Mackaye left hardcore with Minor Threat. I actually like both these bands very much, but they really are not hardcore. And I dare not ask who HP are.

I&#39;m glad Enigma hates hardcore. He probably doesn&#39;t know what it is, but the vast majority of the world simply cannot cope with the intensity, commitment and passion hardcore both demands and provides.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 02:41 PM
You are so ignorant it beggars believe. PGMG are quite clearly an indie rock band. How you can assign them the adjective "hardcore" is beyond me. You must have trouble breathing or something. As for Fugazi, they have hardcore influences but most definitely are not it. Mackaye left hardcore with Minor Threat. I actually like both these bands very much, but they really are not hardcore. And I dare not ask who HP are.

I&#39;m glad Enigma hates hardcore. He probably doesn&#39;t know what it is, but the vast majority of the world simply cannot cope with the intensity, commitment and passion hardcore both demands and provides.
I&#39;m glad Enigma hates hardcore. He probably doesn&#39;t know what it is, but the vast majority of the world simply cannot cope with the intensity, commitment and passion hardcore both demands and provides.

Where did I say I hate it?

He probably doesn&#39;t know what it is,

Your absolutly right, I dont know what it is, I&#39;ve never heard of bands like the US Bombs, Agent Orange, D.O.A. because i&#39;ve never had mates who rave about the shit all day lon g.

And I&#39;ve never seen bands like [spunge] live.

So your right I dont have a fucking clue... at all.

but the vast majority of the world simply cannot cope with the intensity, commitment and passion hardcore both demands and provides.

Or the sheer noise.

[guerrillaradio]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 02:00 PM
And I&#39;ve never seen bands like [spunge] live.
I&#39;ll take this to mean you have seen [spunge] live, and that you do consider them hardcore. Which is all you need to know, really.

[Purple]

I think most music have been influenced by money, as people usually start out with an "okay" record, and then to keep up the record sales release another record without much difference, so not to take much chance on the profit... bands like nirvana, nine inch nails, pink floyd, or metallica, or bands that started from another generation seems to have been more interested in making good music than actually make to sell, but today it seems more like the entire culture is too harsh for variations in the music industry...

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 03:44 PM
I&#39;ll take this to mean you have seen [spunge] live, and that you do consider them hardcore. Which is all you need to know, really.
I dont know quite what your trying to say, but if its that spunge are not hardcore, then you are damn ignorant.

[Hate Is Art]

Originally posted by lost [email protected] 5 2004, 02:58 PM
I think most music have been influenced by money, as people usually start out with an "okay" record, and then to keep up the record sales release another record without much difference, so not to take much chance on the profit... bands like nirvana, nine inch nails, pink floyd, or metallica, or bands that started from another generation seems to have been more interested in making good music than actually make to sell, but today it seems more like the entire culture is too harsh for variations in the music industry...
Metallica are the biggest musical sell outs EVER&#33;

The Libertines are what we should all be listening to now&#33;

[The Forum Idiot]

*looks at lost prophet&#39;s quote* How can you say that the first two nirvana albums were similar? They were totally different. Bleach wasn&#39;t really that popular anyway. Few rave reviews, and, dammit, few reviews in general. Nevermind was MUCH lighter and poppier. Bleach was fucking ultra-sadistic depressive grunge stuff. In Utero can be better compared to their first album.

[Postteen]

Music today S U C K S.It does it does it does.I wish all the time I lived in the 60&#39;s&#33;&#33;&#33;(ok,they&#39;d killed me coz I&#39;d be a communist but anyway).I want Jimi back(to kiss him LOL)and Janis,and Bobby,and Johnny and the Who,and Jim,and anyone from that decade&#33;&#33;

Now,concering nowadays music,I think Bjork is a great singer.I&#39;m really into that kind of music,but i certainly think that she&#39;s fantastic.

And yes,music has died,there&#39;s no great music today. :(
At least I have my LP&#39;s and my CD&#39;s.I couldn&#39;t live without them&#33;&#33;They&#39;re still released thnk god&#33;

EDIT: "I&#39;m not into that kind of music.(techno)

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by Beatle [email protected] 6 2004, 10:07 PM
Music today S U C K S.It does it does it does.I wish all the time I lived in the 60&#39;s&#33;&#33;&#33;(ok,they&#39;d killed me coz I&#39;d be a communist but anyway).I want Jimi back(to kiss him LOL)and Janis,and Bobby,and Johnny and the Who,and Jim,and anyone from that decade&#33;&#33;

Now,concering nowadays music,I think Bjork is a great singer.I&#39;m really into that kind of music,but i certainly think that she&#39;s fantastic.

And yes,music has died,there&#39;s no great music today. :(
At least I have my LP&#39;s and my CD&#39;s.I couldn&#39;t live without them&#33;&#33;They&#39;re still released thnk god&#33;
BULLSHIT&#33;&#33;

As someone already said most music is and has always been crap. If you want good music you need to seek it out. You won&#39;t see it on the video channels and you won&#39;t hear it on most radio stations either. Don&#39;t be a stupid lazy bastard. Great music is a treasure, start looking for it.

[Postteen]

You know what?I think we&#39;re talking about popular music.(not pop).And please,I&#39;m not a stupid lazy bastard.I was a Loreena McKennitt&#39;s fan for 2 or 3 years.I was really addicted to Celtic music.4 years ago,I was into opera( :ph34r: )I was listening to Con te partiro etc.I&#39;m just talking about the music most young people are listening today.

What kinda music are you listening to?

[Nic8]

Originally posted by Beatle [email protected] 7 2004, 03:07 AM
Music today S U C K S.It does it does it does.I wish all the time I lived in the 60&#39;s&#33;&#33;&#33;(ok,they&#39;d killed me coz I&#39;d be a communist but anyway).I want Jimi back(to kiss him LOL)and Janis,and Bobby,and Johnny and the Who,and Jim,and anyone from that decade&#33;&#33;
I can figure the rest out, but who&#39;s Johnny?

[Louis Pio]

Now,concering nowadays music,I think Bjork is a great singer.I&#39;m really into that kind of music,but i certainly think that she&#39;s fantastic.


Bjork is ok, just a shame she is extremely hysteric. But I guess that&#39;s part of her artist image. Personally I prefer PJ Harvey, she&#39;s down to earth, make good music and have some lyrics I can relate too.


I was into opera( )

Nothing wrong with that, why should there be? Many people enjoy opera even though it&#39;s not hip.

Actually we are quite lucky concerning music in this day and age. We have acces to even very old recordings so we can digg up alot of music even in digital form. (I got hold of a some old blues tracks from 1920 - 40 recently) Our parents didn&#39;t have that oppotunity, to get a special recording they had to digg through several boxes of vinyl and they probably wouldn&#39;t find it anyway. (sometimes some of us still have to, but it is becoming rare). Also we have the oppotunity to listen to unknown bands from around the world through our computers. So even though mainstream music is shit I don&#39;t think we have any reason to moan.

[Postteen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 12:15 AM
I can figure the rest out, but who&#39;s Johnny?
John Lennon....

[Nic8]

^^^^ I guess that was kind of obvious. I feel stupid now. Maybe its because I really don&#39;t consider John Lennon to be on the same level as all the other people you said...

[The Forum Idiot]

About 1 in 10 new bands is worth a listen. 1 in 20 worth a 80p iTunes download. 1 in 100 worth the album. The best hope is in the oldies inspiring DECENT new bands...like Jet and Incubus (they&#39;re the good ones). Otherwise we should just stick to the old faves that have survived (REM, PJ Harvey, Green Day, Pixies).



Music isn&#39;t really abd as long as we can always listen to the old stuff...I love going on searches for Leadbelly CDs even though I&#39;ve only ever bought 1....

[Free Spirit]

Music today S U C K S.It does it does it does.I wish all the time I lived in the 60&#39;s&#33;&#33;&#33;(ok,they&#39;d killed me coz I&#39;d be a communist but anyway).I want Jimi back(to kiss him LOL)and Janis,and Bobby,and Johnny and the Who,and Jim,and anyone from that decade&#33;&#33;

Beatle Kat...lets build a time machine&#33; :D But I think I kind of live in the 60&#39;s already, the mind is like a time machine, you imagine and there you are........."I&#39;m at Woodstock very often"... :D

[Free Spirit]

In the 60&#39;s you were on the road of success when you made it to the top ten lists, which isn&#39;t like that anymore, the list doesn&#39;t matter at all. Today there is more music that people split up when it comes to their choices of music, like it&#39;s more kind of a movement&#33; You can&#39;t hear rock n roll on mtv. They played Guns n Roses and Aerosmith once in a while (long time ago) but when they stopped playing so I stopped watching mtv. The thing is just that mtv they play different music which is there for a quite a while and then it&#39;s gone. The songs are forgotten because people are not patient or something, they listen what comes and forget what goes. I just wonder if any of this music today will ever be remember like the one in the 60&#39;s...what is there to be remembered from today?

[The Forum Idiot]

LOL, G&#39;n&#39;R get enough play time on MTV2 Europe (its a all-rock supposedly channel)

[Free Spirit]

LOL, G&#39;n&#39;R get enough play time on MTV2 Europe (its a all-rock supposedly channel) I don&#39;t have MTV2 <_< , I feel like living in the stone age, I didn&#39;t even know that MTV2 existed until last week&#33; :blink:

[Vanilla Coke Kid]

There are few bands classed as good. All rock music sounds EXACTLY the same nowadays, no matter how different the guitar, amp, effects, etc. ALWAYS.

[The Forum Idiot]

No, it really doesn&#39;t. Take the von bondies and the strokes. The Darkness soudn different, the datsuns, the music, tenacious d. There. I&#39;ve proved you wrong. Nyah.

[Vanilla Coke Kid]

All those bands, except maybe the D and Darkness, sound almost the same. Even the Von Bondies who use the Reverb effect (A rare sight these days).

[The Forum Idiot]

WHAT. THE. FUCK? The Music sound completely different to the Datsuns as do the Von Bondies. Have you even heard all of those bands I&#39;ve mentioned?

[Vanilla Coke Kid]

OK, maybe they&#39;re just (and only just) exceptions.

But MOST rock nowadays sounds similar.

[Postteen]

Originally posted by Free [email protected] 10 2004, 10:30 PM
I don&#39;t have MTV2 <_< , I feel like living in the stone age, I didn&#39;t even know that MTV2 existed until last week&#33; :blink:
wow....If you live in the Stone Age,I&#39;m still an ape&#33;I didn&#39;t know that it existed too&#33;(we don&#39;t even have MTV 1&#33;) :blink:

[DaCuBaN]

Personally I prefer PJ Harvey, she&#39;s down to earth, make good music and have some lyrics I can relate too.


Fucking right :) She did an album not long ago that had Thom Yorke on a few of the tracks, worked out really well.

For the record: Music these days, that which we are spoonfed, absolutely blows. What most people seem to miss is the fact that as long as there have been popular broadcast mediums, we have always been subjected to stuff we don&#39;t want to hear: The problem is not that modern music is &#39;bad&#39; - it&#39;s that the means for us to find it are poor - you have to work hard to find anything really worth listening to - unless you live in a musical centre of your locality (ie, a major city).

We live in a world where they constantly push the idea of &#39;on-demand&#39; of &#39;user choice&#39; and other such; yet our media institutions harken back to the days of preaching. The sooner these update to match, the happier you&#39;ll all be.

The sooner they switch it off and allow us to use it for digital information transmission, the happier I&#39;ll be ;)

[The Forum Idiot]

Yes, its like the bay city rollers have been cloned and put into 2004.

[DaCuBaN]

Yes, its like the bay city rollers have been cloned and put into 2004.

Sorry? I&#39;m lost...

[The Forum Idiot]

Apparently the Bay City Rollers invented this pseudo-punk, light weight, right wing, corporate trash that calls itself punk. Here are some examples:

Good Charlotte
Busted
Sum 41
Blink 182
Bowling For Soup
Alien Ant Farm

[Vanilla Coke Kid]

Avril Lavigne
New Found Glory
All American Rejects

Add them to your list.

[DaCuBaN]

That&#39;s pop...

If you see it on MTV, the odds are it aint worth the hassle. It&#39;s a good rule of thumb ;)

[Eastside Revolt]

There&#39;s plenty of good music, just as long as you don&#39;t hate Hip Hop.

I don&#39;t now what I&#39;d do if I didn&#39;t like Hip Hop, though :o . Anything that makes the radio nowadays is wack.

Try looking for Josh Martinez if your looking for intelligent lyrics. You won&#39;t fid him on Kazaa though, sorry :( .

[DarkAngel]

Fuck you man, I love bowling for soup...

Anyways, if your not enjoying the maintstream &#39;&#39;scene&#39;&#39; then look underground. Most of my favorite bands are underground. But I am not going to act like a *****, and say I dont listen to mainstream...because i do. I really don&#39;t care about a band being &#39;&#39;like total poser sell outs&#39;&#39;. If I like a song, I am going to download it, and be happy :)

[celtopunk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 02:41 AM
I don&#39;t now what I&#39;d do if I didn&#39;t like Hip Hop, though :o . Anything that makes the radio nowadays is wack.

Sorry but I&#39;m not sure if wack is good or bad in the context that you used it.

[refuse_resist]

MOST rock nowadays sounds similar.
Well, it depends what kind you&#39;re talking about. However, I would agree that many of these mainstream bands use the same gimmicks and use very similar guitar riffs, which can make them so much alike. Take bands like Good Charlotte and A Simple Plan for an example. Whenever I hear them I can&#39;t tell them apart at all, seriously.


I don&#39;t have MTV2 , I feel like living in the stone age, I didn&#39;t even know that MTV2 existed until last week&#33;
All MTV in general sucks :P :lol:


Anyways, if your not enjoying the maintstream &#39;&#39;scene&#39;&#39; then look underground.
Exactly.

Underground music is where all the true talent lies.

[DarkAngel]

Anyways some bands/Artist I really like (many more just these come to mind)

Sublime
Nirvana
Bowling for Soup
Nas
Missy Elliot
System of a down
Candiria
P.O.D
Black Eyed Peas
Sugar Cult
Marlyn Mason
KottonMouth Kings
Green Day
Godsmack
I.C.P
Bob Marley
Tupac
ect...

I really do listen to all these bands, depending on my mood. You know I really don&#39;t give 2 shits about people who stick to one type of music, thats them. And I happend to like Hip-Hop, rock, punk, reggae..thats me..Im special :redstar2000: :D

[The Forum Idiot]

I like plenty of different musical styles....almost all rock butthat&#39;s not really discrimination...I just don&#39;t really like many others...I don&#39;t really hate bowling for soup nearly as much as the others...They just ain&#39;t that original. I quite like 1985 though...

Here are a general list of genres I like:
Punk
Grunge
Post-Punk
Metal
World (paul simon)
60s rock (Beatles, Kinks, Bob Dylan, Velvet Underground)
Speed Metal
Thrash Metal
psychadelia (kinda)
funk-rock (Faith no More, Chilis)
Indie
the list is kinda long as i&#39;ve forgotten some...

[RedOctober]

Personaly i prefer "metal".....i like bands like machine head, children of bodom, cradle of filth, killswitch engage, God forbid, Rage against the machine (not exactly metal but oh well), shadows fall, orphanage, decapitated etc. This is the kind of music i usualy listen to, but i dont totally exclude other genres of music. My friends listen to totally different types of music, and im perfectly happy listening to that. I hate it when people are really closed minded about music, and they wont like you if you like a certain type of music, if you catch my drift. I find it really pathetic.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by The Forum [email protected] 13 2004, 06:00 PM
Apparently the Bay City Rollers invented this pseudo-punk, light weight, right wing, corporate trash that calls itself punk. Here are some examples:

Good Charlotte
Busted
Sum 41
Blink 182
Bowling For Soup
Alien Ant Farm
Bowling for soup are funny.

[Postteen]

Originally posted by [email protected] 9 2004, 12:04 PM
^^^^ I guess that was kind of obvious. I feel stupid now. Maybe its because I really don&#39;t consider John Lennon to be on the same level as all the other people you said...
mmm....what level do you think he is?Higher or lower?(I guess you mean higher).But why?

[Nic8]

Lower. Much lower. Three minute pop/love songs get kind of boring.

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 16 2004, 09:53 PM
Sorry but I&#39;m not sure if wack is good or bad in the context that you used it.
Wack = Shitty, odd, bizarre (in a bad way)

[The Forum Idiot]

John Lennon>>>>>>>Paul McCartney. I mean, come on Helter Skelter vs Blackbird singing in the dead of night and its a butcher.

[mentalbunny]

I&#39;ve got a theory, and someone may have already said it since I haven&#39;t read this thread that carefully.

Anyway my theory is that the big reason why many on here think music is so shit now is cos only the good stuff from the past actually stands the test of time (I think someone said something like that already), so when you think about the old stuff you forget all the crap, but today all you see is the crap because it&#39;s so marketed (it wouldn&#39;t sell without the marketing). Also the music industry&#39;s much more developed, it&#39;s honed its talents at extracting money from acts who they know will bring in the dough. Like GR said, keep it underground, certinaly if you want some intergrity&#33; Ok, well that&#39;s a matter of opinion, though I expect everyone on here to agree with it since we&#39;re anti-capitalists.

To be honest I don&#39;t mind the shit music so much, there&#39;s always been shit music and there always will be, it&#39;s the marketing. What really pissed me off was an interview with Avril Lavigne in the Time Magazine last saturday (the times is owned by Murdoch, if you didn&#39;t already know, my parents get it although I always have a go at them giving him money for a shit paper). It made out that she was so real and shit, cos she co-wrote the songs on her second album and cos she wouldn&#39;t do the Britney/Christina thing. To be honest, she may be "real", but what&#39;s real? She&#39;s a product of the mtv culture we live in, they don&#39;t need to market her cos she&#39;ll do it automatically by herself. Quids in for the execs, no feeling of loss of integrity for her, so it&#39;s easier to sell her as the genuine article. And all that stuff about lip synching (she claims she&#39;s never done it)? She bloody well should, I heard her unplugged on radio 1 (not by choice) and that girl really can&#39;t hit those top notes. Ok, so it may have been a bad day, but none of us like her anyway&#33;

For good music, I wouldn&#39;t go down the Franz Ferdinand, Strokes, Libertines route. One of my friend&#39;s is really into that but it seems pretty shit to me. NME were going on about DIY libertines style and I was so unimpressed, it&#39;s all about getting into the limelight, trying to get a record deal, not DIY for the sake of it, for the sheer independence of putting on your own shows, etc, having control of the music, of your life. Ok, fine I accept that record companies offer finances, which are really useful if you want to dedicate your whole life to music and don&#39;t want to waste your energy on a job that pays the bills, but a lot of great bands seem to manage. Look at the hardcore scene for loads of examples.

For good new music I&#39;m not the best person to ask, cos I&#39;m currently looking back, which is no bad thing. Get yourself some minor threat, dead kennedys, Alice in Chains. Although I do also recommend the Mars Volta, Muse, Dizzee Rascal, The Streets, Dillinger escape plan, a perfect circle and john frusciante, who writes really beautiful stuff. Oh yes, and there&#39;s the amazing Ani DiFranco.

[mentalbunny]

I&#39;ve got a theory, and someone may have already said it since I haven&#39;t read this thread that carefully.

Anyway my theory is that the big reason why many on here think music is so shit now is cos only the good stuff from the past actually stands the test of time (I think someone said something like that already), so when you think about the old stuff you forget all the crap, but today all you see is the crap because it&#39;s so marketed (it wouldn&#39;t sell without the marketing). Also the music industry&#39;s much more developed, it&#39;s honed its talents at extracting money from acts who they know will bring in the dough. Like GR said, keep it underground, certinaly if you want some intergrity&#33; Ok, well that&#39;s a matter of opinion, though I expect everyone on here to agree with it since we&#39;re anti-capitalists.

To be honest I don&#39;t mind the shit music so much, there&#39;s always been shit music and there always will be, it&#39;s the marketing. What really pissed me off was an interview with Avril Lavigne in the Time Magazine last saturday (the times is owned by Murdoch, if you didn&#39;t already know, my parents get it although I always have a go at them giving him money for a shit paper). It made out that she was so real and shit, cos she co-wrote the songs on her second album and cos she wouldn&#39;t do the Britney/Christina thing. To be honest, she may be "real", but what&#39;s real? She&#39;s a product of the mtv culture we live in, they don&#39;t need to market her cos she&#39;ll do it automatically by herself. Quids in for the execs, no feeling of loss of integrity for her, so it&#39;s easier to sell her as the genuine article. And all that stuff about lip synching (she claims she&#39;s never done it)? She bloody well should, I heard her unplugged on radio 1 (not by choice) and that girl really can&#39;t hit those top notes. Ok, so it may have been a bad day, but none of us like her anyway&#33;

For good music, I wouldn&#39;t go down the Franz Ferdinand, Strokes, Libertines route. One of my friend&#39;s is really into that but it seems pretty shit to me. NME were going on about DIY libertines style and I was so unimpressed, it&#39;s all about getting into the limelight, trying to get a record deal, not DIY for the sake of it, for the sheer independence of putting on your own shows, etc, having control of the music, of your life. Ok, fine I accept that record companies offer finances, which are really useful if you want to dedicate your whole life to music and don&#39;t want to waste your energy on a job that pays the bills, but a lot of great bands seem to manage. Look at the hardcore scene for loads of examples.

For good new music I&#39;m not the best person to ask, cos I&#39;m currently looking back, which is no bad thing. Get yourself some minor threat, dead kennedys, Alice in Chains. Although I do also recommend the Mars Volta, Muse, Dizzee Rascal, The Streets, Dillinger escape plan, a perfect circle and john frusciante, who writes really beautiful stuff. Oh yes, and there&#39;s the amazing Ani DiFranco.

[mentalbunny]

I&#39;ve got a theory, and someone may have already said it since I haven&#39;t read this thread that carefully.

Anyway my theory is that the big reason why many on here think music is so shit now is cos only the good stuff from the past actually stands the test of time (I think someone said something like that already), so when you think about the old stuff you forget all the crap, but today all you see is the crap because it&#39;s so marketed (it wouldn&#39;t sell without the marketing). Also the music industry&#39;s much more developed, it&#39;s honed its talents at extracting money from acts who they know will bring in the dough. Like GR said, keep it underground, certinaly if you want some intergrity&#33; Ok, well that&#39;s a matter of opinion, though I expect everyone on here to agree with it since we&#39;re anti-capitalists.

To be honest I don&#39;t mind the shit music so much, there&#39;s always been shit music and there always will be, it&#39;s the marketing. What really pissed me off was an interview with Avril Lavigne in the Time Magazine last saturday (the times is owned by Murdoch, if you didn&#39;t already know, my parents get it although I always have a go at them giving him money for a shit paper). It made out that she was so real and shit, cos she co-wrote the songs on her second album and cos she wouldn&#39;t do the Britney/Christina thing. To be honest, she may be "real", but what&#39;s real? She&#39;s a product of the mtv culture we live in, they don&#39;t need to market her cos she&#39;ll do it automatically by herself. Quids in for the execs, no feeling of loss of integrity for her, so it&#39;s easier to sell her as the genuine article. And all that stuff about lip synching (she claims she&#39;s never done it)? She bloody well should, I heard her unplugged on radio 1 (not by choice) and that girl really can&#39;t hit those top notes. Ok, so it may have been a bad day, but none of us like her anyway&#33;

For good music, I wouldn&#39;t go down the Franz Ferdinand, Strokes, Libertines route. One of my friend&#39;s is really into that but it seems pretty shit to me. NME were going on about DIY libertines style and I was so unimpressed, it&#39;s all about getting into the limelight, trying to get a record deal, not DIY for the sake of it, for the sheer independence of putting on your own shows, etc, having control of the music, of your life. Ok, fine I accept that record companies offer finances, which are really useful if you want to dedicate your whole life to music and don&#39;t want to waste your energy on a job that pays the bills, but a lot of great bands seem to manage. Look at the hardcore scene for loads of examples.

For good new music I&#39;m not the best person to ask, cos I&#39;m currently looking back, which is no bad thing. Get yourself some minor threat, dead kennedys, Alice in Chains. Although I do also recommend the Mars Volta, Muse, Dizzee Rascal, The Streets, Dillinger escape plan, a perfect circle and john frusciante, who writes really beautiful stuff. Oh yes, and there&#39;s the amazing Ani DiFranco.