Lucid Dreaming

[eyedrop]

Has anyone here heard of it? It is coinciousness dreaming, dreaming while you are aware of that you're dreaming. An experienced lucid dreamer can enter a concious dream almost every night.



I have tried it myself and after a few months of working with my dreams I finally had a lucid dream and it felt so wondrous. Being in complete control of the whole world. And it all feel completely real, sometimes more real than reality as you are more aware of it.

How do you feel about it as using it as a way to explore your phsyce, (?) you can ask different dreamcharacters about things and they will often be more true to yourself than you are.

According to Stephen Laberge (He is a dream researcher, the local science mag had a article on him so I quess he isn't complete bullshit at-least.) (Exploringthe worlds of Dreams, p 167) your creativeness is often bigger during your dreams than in your waking life. So you can use your lucid dreams to expand your political theories.


What do you think about it?

If your interested you can visit the http://www.lucidity.com/LucidDreamingFAQ2.html page for more info.

[Casanova]

Wow thats weird I've never heard of that before.

[Fabi]

For a while I was really into it, read a book or two, was posting/reading on a couple of LD forums, but it's been a while. At the end of the day I don't find it all that desirable to control the dreams. It happens quite frequently that I get lucid during my dreams (had a couple of WILDs - wake induced lucid dreams - too, those were a great experience)...

When you think about it, it's quite troubling to see that most people for most of their lives are so gullible that during sleep (and not only then, which is the problem) they will believe almost anything, no matter how stupid the situation might be.

[refuse_resist]

Lucid dreaming and OBE's are very interesting. Recently, I was heavily into doing research on the subject and for awhile tried to see if it was happening to me.

For awhile I would write down everything I could remember about my dream the night before. Supposedly, they say if you write down every detail you can remember about them, you'll be able to tell whether or not you're dreaming in a dream and have more control over what goes on.

[SonofRage]

Lucid dreaming is something that happens to me fairly often. It's neat I suppose.

[Subversive Pessimist]

Yes, it has happened to me, and it's amazing. I mean, I've never tried speed or stuff like that, but I said to myself in the dream that I am going to try it, and I felt things I never have felt before. One time it was so strong, and so good, I thought I was dying, and I decided to wake up. It's a whole new world. You can do whatever you want. If you want to be a guerilla, a hero, a dopehead, a pilot, you can be it. Hell, you can do everything you ever want to. You can be a monkey! ^_^ It's great :)

[che's long lost daughter]

That always happens to me, I just didn't know it's called Lucid dreaming. One time, I don't know if this is part of Lucid dreaming, but I was dreaming and I though I had got out of bed but I saw myself lying on my bed, I got scared so I went back to sleep again.

[refuse_resist]

I had something very similar to that happen to me.

I was asleep, but yet I was walking around my house doing stuff as usual. It seemed so real too. A little after that I ended up waking up and it turned out I was dreaming about the whole thing all along. This still happens on occasions.

[apathy maybe]

Most of the dreams I remember are happening just before I get woken up by something or somebody. These I generally recall vividly (for a short time) and it seems to me that I am in control of these dreams, while I am dreaming. This probably isn't the case though.

I used to write down as much detail of my dreams as I could, however, it isn't easy describing dreams (at least for me) so I have stopped doing this.

[eyedrop]

I was asleep, but yet I was walking around my house doing stuff as usual. It seemed so real too. A little after that I ended up waking up and it turned out I was dreaming about the whole thing all along. This still happens on occasions.



I just have too clearify what lucid dreaming is; lucid dreaming is when you suddenly becomes conscious that you are dreaming while your still dreaming. When you are dreaming you are aware of the fact that you really are sleeping in your bed.


When you discover you're dreaming, it is often hard to avoid waking up or forgetting that you're dreaming. If you feel that your dream is slipping away from you it often helps too close your eyes and swirl around.

The first few times I got lucid I couldn't stay asleep and suddenly woke up right after discovering I dreamt, because of the surprise and the sensational feeling inside.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 01:40 PM
When you discover you're dreaming, it is often hard to avoid waking up or forgetting that you're dreaming. If you feel that your dream is slipping away from you it often helps too close your eyes and swirl around.
I've had experience of things going either way. I often wake up when I realise, most commonly in the form of a quiet a 'violent' awakening, by springing up as if from a nightmare. I've also had lucid dreams where I've been perfectly aware yet I cannot wake, even when I wish to. It's usually more common in dreams which are quite disturbing to me in which I cannot escape the hell of it.

[Free Spirit]

I've also had lucid dreams where I've been perfectly aware yet I cannot wake, even when I wish to I guess you are not the only one I have them as well. Sometimes it can be stories or just experiences with and end and a begging, it's like you dream until they come to there end, and there is no awaking before that. For me those are mostly nightmares...It happens that someone comes to wake me up, walks me out of my bed which doesn't do anything, I'm dreaming on my legs with an awareness of two places that only have the surrounding as there differences. It's very interesting but not always that pleasant. How is it possible to feel someone hurting you physically and the only thing that's touching you is the air you're breeding...until I found myself awake on the bed I knew it was just a dream but I could still feel some of the pain? :ph34r:

[Arrvande]

I hardly ever have a dream that i rember mabey 0nce a month
why is that?

[BOZG]

I don't think there's any real reason why you don't remember them.

[Fabi]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 12:20 PM
I hardly ever have a dream that i rember mabey 0nce a month
why is that?
if you smoke pot that could seriously limit your dream activity or at least the ability to recall them. only temporarily, though, as far as i know...

[Monty Cantsin]

it happened to me once. There was a chair floating at the other side of my room with a blue colour shining behind it. I was like Wtf I’m dreaming. Then this fear came over me and some kind of force tried to suffocate me but I managed to fight it off, then I woke up.

Weird stuff, I don’t smoke pot or anything so I don’t know how it happened.

[insurgency03]

[/QUOTE]if you smoke pot that could seriously limit your dream activity or at least the ability to recall them. [QUOTE]

shit that counts me out for the next 35 years i guess

i think i used to have a lot of lucid dreams when i was around eight or nine, i guess its because i was more intune with myself and i hadnt been through as much shit as i did my preteen years, i used to see wierd shit go down, but its all really vague now, i can remember it really only because i used to have sleep studies done on me.

[BOZG]

I was reading a site http://www.lucidity.com and there are some articles there on how to increase your ability to recall dreams and have lucid dreams. They might be interesting if you want to explore lucid dreaming further though I don't know of the quality of the articles.

[antieverything]

I always have lucid sexual dreams...actually I've never once gotten laid in a dream. You see, the sexual stuff comes into the dream when I become aware that I'm dreaming. I then lead the dream to a sexual conclusion at which point I wake up.

[AvoidingtheAmericanDream]

lucid dreaming is fucking fantastic.

i've been teaching myself to do it and i've had a couple in the last few weeks. the most recent lasted a really long time. i often find its as simple as telling yourself you are dreaming when you are actually awake. this helps you question where you are and what is happening during a time when typically, you would be accepting everything you see before you as truth. if you do this in "real" life, then you'll do it while you are sleeping as well.

and likewise, if you question real life, youll question dream life, and then you will be able to "wake up" in both lives.

my ultimate goal is not a hedonistic fetish of dominance, rather it's to elevate my mind and enter states of deep meditation in which other worlds are more open in my "mind".

[Joe_Black]

I don't often lucid dream, only when its close too morning, usually a hour or so before waking up. OBE is very different too lucid dreaming, do not confuse the two.

[Free Spirit]

Isn't it so that we all are dreaming every night but when we say, "I was dreaming last night", it just means that you remembered it while the times you say "I wasn't dreaming" is in fact a lost memory...And how long do we really dream...hm :huh: Could it be like 5 minutes but in the dream it seems like an hour?

[Xvall]

It's fun as hell. I've achieved it like, 2-3 times in my lifetime.

[SittingBull47]

I've tried and tried but to no avail. I was into it several months ago but then gave up, don't know why. I've read about people feeling like they were truly flying...that's something i want to try and achieve. Lucid dreaming is fascinating to me and i think i'll give it a go again.

[Zingu]

I've getting near it, I know it.

Currently in my dreams I can constantly predict exactly what is going to happen, maybe I'm actually controlling my dreams discreetly without knowing it and thinking I'm just predicting. I do I have some control over my dreams, I always constantly make desicions in my dreams, deciding where to go, what to say, what to do, so I'm getting near. I've had some experinces where I've done things that I really have no idea what I'm doing...

I'm not at the stage where you can do whatever the hell you want, but I'm getting there!

I've had an unusaul Dejva Vu incidents throughout my life, my first one at four years old, I still have them constantly, just small actions like my freind spinning his hat on his finger, just these random instances I see EXACTLY the same thing in my dream, its scary.

[pandora]

Mostly happens when I am seperated from someone I love and we didn't have time to finish our relationship. Gives us a chance to talk

[honest intellectual]

I've aceived about a half dozen lucid dream states. I'm getting better at it. The solution, as always, is drugs. Here are some good oneirogens:
DMAE (II-dimethylaminoethanol)
Choline
Vitamin B6

I take 225mg of DMAE and 20mg of vitamin B6 every night. Take them an hour or less before you go to bed. DMAE and choline are precursors to acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter described as 'the stuff from which dreams are made'. Vitamin B6 probably facilitates the uptake of acetylcholine in the neurons. These drugs are legal (in most countries anway; I have heard of some moves to have DMAE controlled) and availible in health food stores.

[honest intellectual]

I've aceived about a half dozen lucid dream states. I'm getting better at it. The solution, as always, is drugs. Here are some good oneirogens:
DMAE (II-dimethylaminoethanol)
Choline
Vitamin B6

I take 225mg of DMAE and 20mg of vitamin B6 every night. Take them an hour or less before you go to bed. DMAE and choline are precursors to acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter described as 'the stuff from which dreams are made'. Vitamin B6 probably facilitates the uptake of acetylcholine in the neurons. These drugs are legal (in most countries anway; I have heard of some moves to have DMAE controlled) and availible in health food stores.

[honest intellectual]

I've aceived about a half dozen lucid dream states. I'm getting better at it. The solution, as always, is drugs. Here are some good oneirogens:
DMAE (II-dimethylaminoethanol)
Choline
Vitamin B6

I take 225mg of DMAE and 20mg of vitamin B6 every night. Take them an hour or less before you go to bed. DMAE and choline are precursors to acetylcholine, a neurotransmitter described as 'the stuff from which dreams are made'. Vitamin B6 probably facilitates the uptake of acetylcholine in the neurons. These drugs are legal (in most countries anway; I have heard of some moves to have DMAE controlled) and availible in health food stores.

[Vinny Rafarino]

it happened to me once. There was a chair floating at the other side of my room with a blue colour shining behind it. I was like Wtf I’m dreaming. Then this fear came over me and some kind of force tried to suffocate me but I managed to fight it off, then I woke up

That phenomenon is what is "sleep paralysis".

[Vinny Rafarino]

it happened to me once. There was a chair floating at the other side of my room with a blue colour shining behind it. I was like Wtf I’m dreaming. Then this fear came over me and some kind of force tried to suffocate me but I managed to fight it off, then I woke up

That phenomenon is what is "sleep paralysis".

[Vinny Rafarino]

it happened to me once. There was a chair floating at the other side of my room with a blue colour shining behind it. I was like Wtf I’m dreaming. Then this fear came over me and some kind of force tried to suffocate me but I managed to fight it off, then I woke up

That phenomenon is what is "sleep paralysis".

[pandora]

Try to look for your hands while dreaming, this is how I learned to control by dreams 15 years ago, a little out of practice now.

According to Tibetan Buddhist philosophy, when we dream our winds are dissolving into our heart channel wheel and our mind becomes more and more subtle. Our winds fully dissolve in this way at the time of death, therefore if we are alert we can train our minds in this way for the dying process and as we are aware in the dream then we will be able to control our actions in the Bardo which is a scary place, it is fear in the Bardo which propels on towards bad rebirth as we just want to get the heck out of there, and open any door, not being to smart about it.

But then again what is a dream, what is reality, where does the room go to your awareness when you go to sleep, if you dream of an elephant, when you wake up where is the elephant.

I used to miss a tooth and had a flipper, I lost my flipper and didn't have money to replace it, I found one in my dream and realizing my waking plight struggled to take it back with me, it felt like strings of molasses were pulling on my arms, but still I resisted, when I awoke the flipper was still gone.

But I felt fear at what it would mean if I had the flipper in my hand, would I change something I shouldn't? Was it dangerous for my mind to be so powerful? When idiots are dumping depleted uranium on our planet I think more minds must become this powerful, but only with mental training towards compassion first.

[pandora]

Try to look for your hands while dreaming, this is how I learned to control by dreams 15 years ago, a little out of practice now.

According to Tibetan Buddhist philosophy, when we dream our winds are dissolving into our heart channel wheel and our mind becomes more and more subtle. Our winds fully dissolve in this way at the time of death, therefore if we are alert we can train our minds in this way for the dying process and as we are aware in the dream then we will be able to control our actions in the Bardo which is a scary place, it is fear in the Bardo which propels on towards bad rebirth as we just want to get the heck out of there, and open any door, not being to smart about it.

But then again what is a dream, what is reality, where does the room go to your awareness when you go to sleep, if you dream of an elephant, when you wake up where is the elephant.

I used to miss a tooth and had a flipper, I lost my flipper and didn't have money to replace it, I found one in my dream and realizing my waking plight struggled to take it back with me, it felt like strings of molasses were pulling on my arms, but still I resisted, when I awoke the flipper was still gone.

But I felt fear at what it would mean if I had the flipper in my hand, would I change something I shouldn't? Was it dangerous for my mind to be so powerful? When idiots are dumping depleted uranium on our planet I think more minds must become this powerful, but only with mental training towards compassion first.

[pandora]

Try to look for your hands while dreaming, this is how I learned to control by dreams 15 years ago, a little out of practice now.

According to Tibetan Buddhist philosophy, when we dream our winds are dissolving into our heart channel wheel and our mind becomes more and more subtle. Our winds fully dissolve in this way at the time of death, therefore if we are alert we can train our minds in this way for the dying process and as we are aware in the dream then we will be able to control our actions in the Bardo which is a scary place, it is fear in the Bardo which propels on towards bad rebirth as we just want to get the heck out of there, and open any door, not being to smart about it.

But then again what is a dream, what is reality, where does the room go to your awareness when you go to sleep, if you dream of an elephant, when you wake up where is the elephant.

I used to miss a tooth and had a flipper, I lost my flipper and didn't have money to replace it, I found one in my dream and realizing my waking plight struggled to take it back with me, it felt like strings of molasses were pulling on my arms, but still I resisted, when I awoke the flipper was still gone.

But I felt fear at what it would mean if I had the flipper in my hand, would I change something I shouldn't? Was it dangerous for my mind to be so powerful? When idiots are dumping depleted uranium on our planet I think more minds must become this powerful, but only with mental training towards compassion first.

[eyedrop]

But I felt fear at what it would mean if I had the flipper in my hand, would I change something I shouldn't? Was it dangerous for my mind to be so powerful? When idiots are dumping depleted uranium on our planet I think more minds must become this powerful, but only with mental training towards compassion first.

One of the aspects I find so amusing about lucid dreaming is the thought of gaining more control over your life. gaining more power to control more time of your life. When we can control our life in the dreams then we only have left to gain control over our waking life.

All I want in my life is more control.

[eyedrop]

But I felt fear at what it would mean if I had the flipper in my hand, would I change something I shouldn't? Was it dangerous for my mind to be so powerful? When idiots are dumping depleted uranium on our planet I think more minds must become this powerful, but only with mental training towards compassion first.

One of the aspects I find so amusing about lucid dreaming is the thought of gaining more control over your life. gaining more power to control more time of your life. When we can control our life in the dreams then we only have left to gain control over our waking life.

All I want in my life is more control.

[eyedrop]

But I felt fear at what it would mean if I had the flipper in my hand, would I change something I shouldn't? Was it dangerous for my mind to be so powerful? When idiots are dumping depleted uranium on our planet I think more minds must become this powerful, but only with mental training towards compassion first.

One of the aspects I find so amusing about lucid dreaming is the thought of gaining more control over your life. gaining more power to control more time of your life. When we can control our life in the dreams then we only have left to gain control over our waking life.

All I want in my life is more control.

[fallen camarade]

That is a very interesting method, pandora. I haven't tried it yet, but I may give it a shot. I know it's probably a hard question, but are there any further hints you could give on it? Do you have any other ideas? Lucid Dreaming is, I'm sure, a rewarding experience, and I am yet to experience it, but really want to, and I'm interested in what practicing Lucid Dreamers suggest on methods to help the process be smoother.

And...umm..what did you mean by "winds". Didn't really understand what you meant there.

[fallen camarade]

That is a very interesting method, pandora. I haven't tried it yet, but I may give it a shot. I know it's probably a hard question, but are there any further hints you could give on it? Do you have any other ideas? Lucid Dreaming is, I'm sure, a rewarding experience, and I am yet to experience it, but really want to, and I'm interested in what practicing Lucid Dreamers suggest on methods to help the process be smoother.

And...umm..what did you mean by "winds". Didn't really understand what you meant there.

[fallen camarade]

That is a very interesting method, pandora. I haven't tried it yet, but I may give it a shot. I know it's probably a hard question, but are there any further hints you could give on it? Do you have any other ideas? Lucid Dreaming is, I'm sure, a rewarding experience, and I am yet to experience it, but really want to, and I'm interested in what practicing Lucid Dreamers suggest on methods to help the process be smoother.

And...umm..what did you mean by "winds". Didn't really understand what you meant there.

[fallen camarade]

OH....I just thought of something. People are constantly questioning the validity of dreams, and trying to figure out what they mean. I have never had a lucid dream before, but I read that one that is truly in a lucid state, can completely change the "dreamscape" at will. If one is having a decent dream, or even a boring one, they can make it exciting. I got the idea from another conversation going on about nightmares, when I remembered reading that when you are lucid, you realize you are just dreaming, so you can just oblitirate a nightmare. If a rancid, decaying, maneating beast is chasing you, you just turn and look at it, because you realize it can't hurt you. You could also just turn it into something funny, or something like that, just for your own amusement before really going crazy with the lucid dream.

Dosen't this in some way state that dreams don't really have a ton of meaning and are just random visions to add to the experience of living? If you can just destroy the process of a dream and start it again as something of your choice, simply by training your mind, dosen't that mean that dreaming is just a "mind game"? That it dosen't really have any true purpose at all?

Hmm...

[fallen camarade]

OH....I just thought of something. People are constantly questioning the validity of dreams, and trying to figure out what they mean. I have never had a lucid dream before, but I read that one that is truly in a lucid state, can completely change the "dreamscape" at will. If one is having a decent dream, or even a boring one, they can make it exciting. I got the idea from another conversation going on about nightmares, when I remembered reading that when you are lucid, you realize you are just dreaming, so you can just oblitirate a nightmare. If a rancid, decaying, maneating beast is chasing you, you just turn and look at it, because you realize it can't hurt you. You could also just turn it into something funny, or something like that, just for your own amusement before really going crazy with the lucid dream.

Dosen't this in some way state that dreams don't really have a ton of meaning and are just random visions to add to the experience of living? If you can just destroy the process of a dream and start it again as something of your choice, simply by training your mind, dosen't that mean that dreaming is just a "mind game"? That it dosen't really have any true purpose at all?

Hmm...

[fallen camarade]

OH....I just thought of something. People are constantly questioning the validity of dreams, and trying to figure out what they mean. I have never had a lucid dream before, but I read that one that is truly in a lucid state, can completely change the "dreamscape" at will. If one is having a decent dream, or even a boring one, they can make it exciting. I got the idea from another conversation going on about nightmares, when I remembered reading that when you are lucid, you realize you are just dreaming, so you can just oblitirate a nightmare. If a rancid, decaying, maneating beast is chasing you, you just turn and look at it, because you realize it can't hurt you. You could also just turn it into something funny, or something like that, just for your own amusement before really going crazy with the lucid dream.

Dosen't this in some way state that dreams don't really have a ton of meaning and are just random visions to add to the experience of living? If you can just destroy the process of a dream and start it again as something of your choice, simply by training your mind, dosen't that mean that dreaming is just a "mind game"? That it dosen't really have any true purpose at all?

Hmm...

[Subversive Pessimist]

I had lucid dreaming a few days ago. It was my dad talking with me about buying stocks and how to make them grow. I remember in the dream thinking of www.nationstates.net because of this...

He said that I should take up a billion in loan and put it into one stock option and because of that move, it will boost it value, and then I should sell it when it jumps because my investment... :huh:

I remember that I became aware that I was dreaming, probably because I did remember nationstates.net, and so I understood that my dad was in my dream, and because I was curious and wanted to check how he would react, I said to him something like: "Is this a dream?", then I just saw a light that stunned me, and then I thought that I was going to wake up, but then I lost the lucid thing and continued dreaming.

[Subversive Pessimist]

I had lucid dreaming a few days ago. It was my dad talking with me about buying stocks and how to make them grow. I remember in the dream thinking of www.nationstates.net because of this...

He said that I should take up a billion in loan and put it into one stock option and because of that move, it will boost it value, and then I should sell it when it jumps because my investment... :huh:

I remember that I became aware that I was dreaming, probably because I did remember nationstates.net, and so I understood that my dad was in my dream, and because I was curious and wanted to check how he would react, I said to him something like: "Is this a dream?", then I just saw a light that stunned me, and then I thought that I was going to wake up, but then I lost the lucid thing and continued dreaming.

[Subversive Pessimist]

I had lucid dreaming a few days ago. It was my dad talking with me about buying stocks and how to make them grow. I remember in the dream thinking of www.nationstates.net because of this...

He said that I should take up a billion in loan and put it into one stock option and because of that move, it will boost it value, and then I should sell it when it jumps because my investment... :huh:

I remember that I became aware that I was dreaming, probably because I did remember nationstates.net, and so I understood that my dad was in my dream, and because I was curious and wanted to check how he would react, I said to him something like: "Is this a dream?", then I just saw a light that stunned me, and then I thought that I was going to wake up, but then I lost the lucid thing and continued dreaming.

[eyedrop]

Dosen't this in some way state that dreams don't really have a ton of meaning and are just random visions to add to the experience of living? If you can just destroy the process of a dream and start it again as something of your choice, simply by training your mind, dosen't that mean that dreaming is just a "mind game"? That it dosen't really have any true purpose at all?

Haha, the dream tricked you. When I had my first lucid dream I completely fooled myself by dreaming that I woke up. In my dream I told my friend that I had had a lucid dream. Ohh how the dream tricked me, but luckely I got it down in my dream journal.


Dosen't this in some way state that dreams don't really have a ton of meaning and are just random visions to add to the experience of living? If you can just destroy the process of a dream and start it again as something of your choice, simply by training your mind, dosen't that mean that dreaming is just a "mind game"? That it dosen't really have any true purpose at all?


When you don't have lucid dreams it must be made by your uncounciesness. It can still be used as a tool to understanding your mind. (although I don't bother trying myself)

And even when you have lucid dreams you can't be counciousness of all the things in the dream so you don't have control of everything so it's still hints messages for yourself in it.

When you ask a dream character of something in your dream you don't make up the answer yourself. Your brain makes an answer that is most likely more truthful to yourself than your own thinking that is clouded by selfsensuring.


As the purpose of the dream many scientist believe (as far as I know) that dreams have the purpose to prossess the info your mind has achieved lately. But does it need any other purpose than letting you live through fun experiences?



That is a very interesting method, pandora. I haven't tried it yet, but I may give it a shot. I know it's probably a hard question, but are there any further hints you could give on it? Do you have any other ideas? Lucid Dreaming is, I'm sure, a rewarding experience, and I am yet to experience it, but really want to, and I'm interested in what practicing Lucid Dreamers suggest on methods to help the process be smoother.

I can't claim to be a very experience oineronaut (?)(think it means a lucid dreamer) but one method I find to be very helpful is too ask yourself once every other hour, or something. When you ask yourself you have to ask yourself seriously and consider the fact that you may be dreaming. When you have asked yourself you can use a reality check to assure you that you are awake. You can check by having a note in your pocket and read it. put it out of your sight and view it again, and do it once more. If you are dreaming it is very likely that the text will change when your looking at it the second or third time. (the side bonus effect is that you become extremely critical of your suroundings, not a bad trait for a communist)

An other method is too learn to recognice your dreamsigns, things that usually happen in your dreams, like a blue dog or something. This method requires that you have spent some time on your dream journal to learn your signs.

But the most important thing is to increase your dream recall. This is done by writing down the nights dreams each morning. Most people get some lucid dreams in the first few months if they only think a lot abotu it and writes down they're dreams

[eyedrop]

Dosen't this in some way state that dreams don't really have a ton of meaning and are just random visions to add to the experience of living? If you can just destroy the process of a dream and start it again as something of your choice, simply by training your mind, dosen't that mean that dreaming is just a "mind game"? That it dosen't really have any true purpose at all?

Haha, the dream tricked you. When I had my first lucid dream I completely fooled myself by dreaming that I woke up. In my dream I told my friend that I had had a lucid dream. Ohh how the dream tricked me, but luckely I got it down in my dream journal.


Dosen't this in some way state that dreams don't really have a ton of meaning and are just random visions to add to the experience of living? If you can just destroy the process of a dream and start it again as something of your choice, simply by training your mind, dosen't that mean that dreaming is just a "mind game"? That it dosen't really have any true purpose at all?


When you don't have lucid dreams it must be made by your uncounciesness. It can still be used as a tool to understanding your mind. (although I don't bother trying myself)

And even when you have lucid dreams you can't be counciousness of all the things in the dream so you don't have control of everything so it's still hints messages for yourself in it.

When you ask a dream character of something in your dream you don't make up the answer yourself. Your brain makes an answer that is most likely more truthful to yourself than your own thinking that is clouded by selfsensuring.


As the purpose of the dream many scientist believe (as far as I know) that dreams have the purpose to prossess the info your mind has achieved lately. But does it need any other purpose than letting you live through fun experiences?



That is a very interesting method, pandora. I haven't tried it yet, but I may give it a shot. I know it's probably a hard question, but are there any further hints you could give on it? Do you have any other ideas? Lucid Dreaming is, I'm sure, a rewarding experience, and I am yet to experience it, but really want to, and I'm interested in what practicing Lucid Dreamers suggest on methods to help the process be smoother.

I can't claim to be a very experience oineronaut (?)(think it means a lucid dreamer) but one method I find to be very helpful is too ask yourself once every other hour, or something. When you ask yourself you have to ask yourself seriously and consider the fact that you may be dreaming. When you have asked yourself you can use a reality check to assure you that you are awake. You can check by having a note in your pocket and read it. put it out of your sight and view it again, and do it once more. If you are dreaming it is very likely that the text will change when your looking at it the second or third time. (the side bonus effect is that you become extremely critical of your suroundings, not a bad trait for a communist)

An other method is too learn to recognice your dreamsigns, things that usually happen in your dreams, like a blue dog or something. This method requires that you have spent some time on your dream journal to learn your signs.

But the most important thing is to increase your dream recall. This is done by writing down the nights dreams each morning. Most people get some lucid dreams in the first few months if they only think a lot abotu it and writes down they're dreams

[eyedrop]

Dosen't this in some way state that dreams don't really have a ton of meaning and are just random visions to add to the experience of living? If you can just destroy the process of a dream and start it again as something of your choice, simply by training your mind, dosen't that mean that dreaming is just a "mind game"? That it dosen't really have any true purpose at all?

Haha, the dream tricked you. When I had my first lucid dream I completely fooled myself by dreaming that I woke up. In my dream I told my friend that I had had a lucid dream. Ohh how the dream tricked me, but luckely I got it down in my dream journal.


Dosen't this in some way state that dreams don't really have a ton of meaning and are just random visions to add to the experience of living? If you can just destroy the process of a dream and start it again as something of your choice, simply by training your mind, dosen't that mean that dreaming is just a "mind game"? That it dosen't really have any true purpose at all?


When you don't have lucid dreams it must be made by your uncounciesness. It can still be used as a tool to understanding your mind. (although I don't bother trying myself)

And even when you have lucid dreams you can't be counciousness of all the things in the dream so you don't have control of everything so it's still hints messages for yourself in it.

When you ask a dream character of something in your dream you don't make up the answer yourself. Your brain makes an answer that is most likely more truthful to yourself than your own thinking that is clouded by selfsensuring.


As the purpose of the dream many scientist believe (as far as I know) that dreams have the purpose to prossess the info your mind has achieved lately. But does it need any other purpose than letting you live through fun experiences?



That is a very interesting method, pandora. I haven't tried it yet, but I may give it a shot. I know it's probably a hard question, but are there any further hints you could give on it? Do you have any other ideas? Lucid Dreaming is, I'm sure, a rewarding experience, and I am yet to experience it, but really want to, and I'm interested in what practicing Lucid Dreamers suggest on methods to help the process be smoother.

I can't claim to be a very experience oineronaut (?)(think it means a lucid dreamer) but one method I find to be very helpful is too ask yourself once every other hour, or something. When you ask yourself you have to ask yourself seriously and consider the fact that you may be dreaming. When you have asked yourself you can use a reality check to assure you that you are awake. You can check by having a note in your pocket and read it. put it out of your sight and view it again, and do it once more. If you are dreaming it is very likely that the text will change when your looking at it the second or third time. (the side bonus effect is that you become extremely critical of your suroundings, not a bad trait for a communist)

An other method is too learn to recognice your dreamsigns, things that usually happen in your dreams, like a blue dog or something. This method requires that you have spent some time on your dream journal to learn your signs.

But the most important thing is to increase your dream recall. This is done by writing down the nights dreams each morning. Most people get some lucid dreams in the first few months if they only think a lot abotu it and writes down they're dreams

[Wash Me]

In my opinion, I wouldn't catogerize lucid dreaming under the unconscious part of your brain.
if you realize that you are actually dreaming and that your body actually lies on your bed at that exact moment that means that you are conscious of your REAL state, therefore you are only expanding your imagination based on the unconscious state that you were in.

i don't know about anyone else but what happens to me when i am in a lucid dream is that i gadually lose control of it...
i find it harder to expand my dream when i am aware of the fact that i am actually dreaming.
the dream starts fading away untill i finally wake up.

and that REALLY SUCKS!!!!!!!!! :angry:

[Wash Me]

In my opinion, I wouldn't catogerize lucid dreaming under the unconscious part of your brain.
if you realize that you are actually dreaming and that your body actually lies on your bed at that exact moment that means that you are conscious of your REAL state, therefore you are only expanding your imagination based on the unconscious state that you were in.

i don't know about anyone else but what happens to me when i am in a lucid dream is that i gadually lose control of it...
i find it harder to expand my dream when i am aware of the fact that i am actually dreaming.
the dream starts fading away untill i finally wake up.

and that REALLY SUCKS!!!!!!!!! :angry:

[Wash Me]

In my opinion, I wouldn't catogerize lucid dreaming under the unconscious part of your brain.
if you realize that you are actually dreaming and that your body actually lies on your bed at that exact moment that means that you are conscious of your REAL state, therefore you are only expanding your imagination based on the unconscious state that you were in.

i don't know about anyone else but what happens to me when i am in a lucid dream is that i gadually lose control of it...
i find it harder to expand my dream when i am aware of the fact that i am actually dreaming.
the dream starts fading away untill i finally wake up.

and that REALLY SUCKS!!!!!!!!! :angry:

[eyedrop]

Yeah I know it sucks when you fade away!!!

But I've read that it should supposedly help to close your eyes and spin your body in the dream. That should help you refresh the dream again. But I haven't managed to do it myself so I don't know the validity of the method, but try it out the next time fading away.

[eyedrop]

Yeah I know it sucks when you fade away!!!

But I've read that it should supposedly help to close your eyes and spin your body in the dream. That should help you refresh the dream again. But I haven't managed to do it myself so I don't know the validity of the method, but try it out the next time fading away.

[eyedrop]

Yeah I know it sucks when you fade away!!!

But I've read that it should supposedly help to close your eyes and spin your body in the dream. That should help you refresh the dream again. But I haven't managed to do it myself so I don't know the validity of the method, but try it out the next time fading away.