Let's build an underground network

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

Main purpose for La Voz or Rise Up (official name is not confirmed)

I have begun to think of working on a new project. The actual project itself will deal with two major things to start off. Fist an international news site, operating in different parts or the world. The purpose of these news sites will be based on more on organizing people on direct action and reporting on them. Unlike Indymedia we would organize direct actions (either actions ourselves or participating in large scale actions like United for Peace and Justice) so that people with our same beliefs (socialists threw anarchists) can unite together. In other words it will be aiming more on focusing on direct action.

It will start off with…


Media/Newspaper (copyleft)

(Online)
* Live news from public events
* Open publishing
* Pictures and videos
(Offline)
* Underground newspaper
* Open publishing
* Pictures

Direct Action

(Hosted)
* Calendar of upcoming events
* Information of event (date, place, time, contact)
(Posted)
* Calendar of upcoming events
* Information of event (date, place, time, contact)

Education

* Activism
* Self Defense

About us

* Mission/Purpose

Contact Us

* E-mails
* Addresses (PO BOX)
* Phone Numbers

Is anybody interested on this? If so e-mail me and let me know so we can set up a group to discuss the site looks and all that, as well as how to organize underground papers.

People that know how to work on website would be really appreciated and especially those that know about PHP, Java or how to set up open publication such as what is used on Indymedia.

If there isn't a lot of support than I will let ya know so it could just drop. I don't want to repeat another CGLM because that didn't go well when being spread out.

--Paz

[rahul]

GOOD IDEA!

IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM CGLM ?

[The Feral Underclass]

But there are organisations that are founded already that deal with direct action. Why not join one of them instead of factioning of the left even more. We don't need more groups, we need to build the ones we already have.

[Monty Cantsin]

second that!

[Kobbot 401]

i agree, but for the newer people, like myself, on Che-Lives i think we need a site that we can go to so we can get in contact with these groups.

[Ian]

Was I the only one dissappointed due to clicking on the link to this page on the main page that looks like:

"Aug 31 2004, 06:10 PM
In: Let's build an undergro...
By: Kobbot 401"

And feeling empty upon finding that this thread is not about building an underground Lair.


Ok I will write something better so this isn't spam.

Um.

I guess a bit of networking wouldn't go astray but splintering the left further is not rad, post this in the Che-Lives Network section if you have access, it mightn't be a public area I'm not too sure.

Best of luck.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

GOOD IDEA!

IS THAT DIFFERENT FROM CGLM ?

Yeah, go on the CGLM forums to find out why it's breaking up. I just don't see it working outside of Hartford. To much hype by people with no action.


But there are organisations that are founded already that deal with direct action. Why not join one of them instead of factioning of the left even more. We don't need more groups, we need to build the ones we already have.

There are some and then there are some being shut down like Raise the Fist. organisations also tend to look at one goal, such as let's fight aids, feed the poor and all that. This idea I am having isn't about putting one of those on the table but something were direct action centers are up that deal with things like food not bombs, anti war, and really a whole organized list of things that everybody should take part in.

Protesting is one thing, direct action is another, but if we can add both into this project and work it out how it should be then one can protest and also know they are accually doing something, not just protesting and getting nothing done.



i agree, but for the newer people, like myself, on Che-Lives i think we need a site that we can go to so we can get in contact with these groups.

Thats another thing, say there is going to be another United for Peace and Justice march in Washington DC or something and they wanted 300,000 + people to show. This site could act as a place to get socialists and anarchists from places around the US to meet up at a ciratain spot to march together. This could spread threw the Che-Lives forums and Che-Lives members could meet up with other socialists, anarchists or something.

Along with reporting from that group, aiding that group with water, food, have street medics incase of riots or anything and numbers to legal help for those who need it.

In other words, taking direct action and organizing to take part in the direct action more than accually just being in it. (helping instead of just marching)


I guess a bit of networking wouldn't go astray but splintering the left further is not rad, post this in the Che-Lives Network section if you have access, it mightn't be a public area I'm not too sure.

I don't know where it should go, if it's in the wrong place then just have a mod change it :)

--Paz

[The Feral Underclass]

The network is desgined for debate.

There exists already, organisations which would appreciate your input and ideas. There is no need to create a seperate organisation. Join one that exists and introduce your ideas to them.

[Isaiah]

Direct action works best in small groups. When the group gets too big you often get stuck in the debate phase.
The best thing is to seperate the action from the debate

Have many small action groups that all participate in one big debate group.

This way actions can de done fast and act on very local issues.
"Act locally, think globally"
have a look at hfh [shameless plug] (http://www.heroesforhire.nl) and you'll see what I mean. That's the work of a just a few people. Over-sized, over-organised groups get slowed down.

[Anarchist Freedom]

ive personally decided to give up the CGLM to my comrade because i personally am not what sure to do i will just become a member willing to do whatever i can.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

well, cglm is done, lol. accually it still is up, it will be up for a while but it isn't doing anything. basically if you go to education you can get some info on self defence and all its good and all but cglm right now isn't active.

Isaiah yeah, i think that groups work best when they are small thats why they should be spread out and opperated locally not under place, people locally know the area better. thats why i like the whole indymedia set up because people report news locally and it goes to local pages.

maybe by having some direct action network that spreads locally wouldnt be bad and it would't split up the left up even more. it spread out to diffrent communitys and diffrent enviorments were people understand the sistuation better than somebody not from the area.

or something like that, i think i said it wrong, :blink:

[commiecrusader]

thats a cool idea whoever started this thread. but i wouldn't be much use since im crappy at organising and doing computer stuff. however, i would be very interested in joining this group should it come off.

also, anyone got any good organisations like this that i could investigate into joining?

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

since my wisdom teeth been pulled out and i basically need to stay home for the next couple of days i managed to make an outine of the site, it has a couple things running, other things don't at all. i have it up for testing right now. there will be RNC uodates just so i can get the hang of updating and fixing things up.

what do people think?

i called it La Voz

http://la-voz.idohost.com/

[Isaiah]

Looks good

I'd loose the intro page though (the one with "click image to enter") and have people directly enter the site (the home page). But maybe it's just because I don't like intro-pages :) .
Anyways the picture on the intro page also appears on the home page so the intro doesn't add much.

Keep it up and good luck

[socialistfuture]

we need lots and lots of socialist and anarchist cells that work away in their areas and larger organizations that link the communications togther. also good so big rallies can be organized.

cool site - look forward to seing its develpoments.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

well the site isn't going to delvelope without the help of people, so if you are interested e-mail me or if you think you may help with it. that was just an outline, i can possibly get it on a dot.tk 2morrow and finnish up links.

ummm, ways to help

if anybody is interested in making your own La Voz (the voice) cell kinda like what IMC does let me know,

if you can help with articles that would be nice, but dont start anytime soon,

once information about who we are, our goal, and how to join is made available then i would let u know,

but if u like the idea of being part of a media & direct action network and would like to help with la voz then let me know

[commiecrusader]

seems cool, i like the style of it its real good.

[Kez]

what we see here i think is a symtom of the lack of exposure the Parties are giving themselves. comrade, there are many organisations, and internationals you can join, without building a new one. They have experience, numbers, finance, which you dont, why not join one of these

try:
http://www.marxist.com/joinus.asp

[Kobbot 401]

I have an idea, keep with the separet group aproch, but have the heads of the groups be part of an over-seeing group. It will provied greater communications between the groups and allow groups to team up on inportant issues.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

like represenitives for each group? and that will form a overall leadership of people not just one person?

i have the site up, everything done except for a few minor things that would get filled in. But this is the head site, I can make a .zip file for anybody interested in building a chapter.

http://la-voz.idohost.com/

e-mail me at [email protected] if you want to be part of this, writing, opeining a chapter, getting direct actions formed up things like that.

if things go well then we could have small pages set up each location and news being distributed online and prehaps on a small scale ofline

--paz

[commiecrusader]

seems pretty cool. i do like the rugged design its cool.

it might just be me who can't see it but it might be a good idea to put what country/place La Voz is based in, since if its in America, its probably not that helpful for people from the EU etc to get involved?

[__ca va?]

http://la-voz.idohost.com/

Good site there! :)

but

it might just be me who can't see it but it might be a good idea to put what country/place La Voz is based in, since if its in America, its probably not that helpful for people from the EU etc to get involved?
this is also true.

A really international website must be made, a center for world-wide leftism. A Cominform of the present, where present communist movements can keep in touch with eachother! And I think it would be essential to get all of the marxist infos and documents (like the Marxist Internet Archive), philosophers, revolutionaries. If it had a forum like this one, where leftist could debate and discuss their views it would be perfect! And the whole thing should be translated into many languages. So in a nutshell it would be a site where every kinds of leftists from any part of the world could find everything that is marxist and keep contact with other marxists of the world.
Seems to be very hard to make. But maybe once it will be created.. I hope so ;)

[Hegemonicretribution]

I have some design knowledge/ experience but I ain't great, html is about my limit really but I have dabbled in a fair bit. I am only on a small Island but I have organised a few successful things before so if you ever want something done pm me. I am working on a group over here at the moment because there are none, any bright ideas and count me in.

[RebeldePorLaPAZ]

it would be awsome to set up in the UK, it wont be hard if u know the location you are in. I have a buddy that just moved to london so i could talk to him and see what he thinks about it since i know he plans on making his own newpaper, prehaps he can join with this since he is really into active stuff.

for web disign,. its easy if you get dreamweaver, you can download it on the macromedia site, a free trial and then search online for the serial code, :P :P :P , it works too. jejeje

I wouldnt say it is based anywere, i dont think thats the right thing to do, because its not like its centralized in one place but spread out. I think for a central place we really need to develpe out first so then it makes since to centralize and grow. in other words, it is based around the world (hopefully) and then locally you can have a place and address or something.

for example, im going to continue my work here as a young activist in the hartford area as well as work with this. my local area would be hartford, ct (usa) and newpapers about local issues would be distributed in the hartford area. not from a la voz base held in one spot.