I love capitalism

[Nyder]

I didn't start out with much, but not too long ago I entered the security industry (which is protecting capitalist's property :lol: ) - and now I am running my own business.

I have a new car and am planning on buying my own apartment. Capitalism rocks!!! :D

[Bourgeoisie]

It sure does rock! I own three cars and a very nice house, soon i will be buying a new one. And the best part is that i work for myself.

I don't have some moron telling me what to, what to eat, wear, etc.

I would love to see the day that some loser comes to my house and tell me that i need to redistribute it to the people, yeah right. :lol:

[cormacobear]

So it doesn't bother you that by association you're a murderer, theif, and slaver.

[New Tolerance]

I didn't start out with much, but not too long ago I entered the security industry (which is protecting capitalist's property ) - and now I am running my own business.

I have a new car and am planning on buying my own apartment. Capitalism rocks!!!

Care to give us more details? What's this business you run?


It sure does rock! I own three cars and a very nice house, soon i will be buying a new one. And the best part is that i work for myself.

Why would you need that many cars?

[Pawn Power]

yea, me too. My father worked hard and got two master degrees and worked as an engineer for 25 years, then the plant went under and he lost his pention that has been building up for 25 years. Now he will have to work well into his 70's. Yea capitalsim is cool. :angry:

[New Tolerance]

Wait a minute, I just remembered something:


I didn't start out with much, but not too long ago I entered the security industry (which is protecting capitalist's property ) - and now I am running my own business.

I have a new car and am planning on buying my own apartment. Capitalism rocks!!!

Assuming that you live in the United States, how ironic that you think it is capitalist, when in fact it is far from it? (As be suggested earlier by another capitalist, the United States is a socialist country)

I got another question for you - did you go to a public school?

[DRS]

lol taxes will kill their asses

[New Tolerance]

Exactly, the United States has taxes. The US is by their own definition not capitalist. It's mixed.

[redstar2000]

The testimony of lottery winners is similar; "I won...why won't you buy a ticket?"

Still, Nyder's choice is a good one -- the "security industry" (private police terrorism) is one of the fastest-growing in America. If he keeps at it, in a decade or two he may have his very own prison...with inmates provided by the state at state expense, not his. In fact, the state will pay him to warehouse their hapless victims and he can also make them perform slave labor.

What a country! :lol:

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

(As be suggested earlier by another capitalist, the United States is a socialist country)

You don't actually think that the US is socialist, do you? By no definition of socialism that I have ever seen, and I've seen a lot, is the US socialist.

For every one of you "middle" class Americans, there are millions of starving third-worlders. Keep it up.

[Commie Girl]

:ph34r: I hope a plane flies into your building

[Hiero]

LMFAO a security gaurd. Are you fat and all your working life before being promoted did kids pick on. I would hate to be a security gaurd what a crap joke. My friend has a police scanner and he was listen one night and heard that a report had been made that a security gaurd had been attack and the cop just "and the problem is"

Cops think of security gaurds as little boys.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 12:11 AM
I would love to see the day that some loser comes to my house and tell me that i need to redistribute it to the people, yeah right. :lol:
Why because you so ultra tought that you can stand up to violent masses.

[Micah EL Layl]

peace...
yes the biggest Capitalist COuntry has murdered more civilians
and interfered with more foriegn governments and polluted the
planet more than any country ever in history...
yeah capitalism rocks......crack rocks that it....
exuse me i call crack CIArock......
teehee....
you fucking fools.....

[The New Yorker]

Thanks to capitalism im allowed to be the best individual i can be!

Capitalist care so much! We care so much in fact that we interfere with the individuals life as little as possible to allow them to become all that they can be.

Hey commies if you want to care about the minority why don't you care about the smallest minority YOU!

[The New Yorker]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 30 2004, 03:05 AM
Why because you so ultra tought that you can stand up to violent masses.
What violent masses? seems to me that its just a few jerk offs and there familys.

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by The New [email protected] 29 2004, 10:37 PM
Thanks to capitalism im allowed to be the best individual i can be!

Capitalist care so much! We care so much in fact that we interfere with the individuals life as little as possible to allow them to become all that they can be.

Hey commies if you want to care about the minority why don't you care about the smallest minority YOU!
Yes! They interfere as little as possible in individuals lives, for example:

Afghanistan
2001-Present

Colombia
1960s-Present

Yugoslavia
1992-Present

Congo/Zaire
1961-Present

Cuba
1959-Present

Guatemala
1953-Present

El Salvador
1980-Present

East Timor
1975-1999

Haiti
1987-1994

Somalia
1993

Afghanistan
1979-1992

Nicaragua
1981-1990

Panama
1989
Page Two:


Libya
1981-1989

Iran
1988

Grenada
1979-1984

Greece
1964-1974

Chile
1964-1973

Costa Rica
Mid-1950s, 1970-71

Dominican Republic
1963-1966

Vietnam
1945-1974

Cambodia
1955-1973

Laos
1957-1973

Thailand
1965-1973

Italy
1947-1970s

Indonesia
1965

Brazil
1961-1964

British Guiana/Guyana
1953-1964

Iraq
1963
Page Three:


Soviet Union
1940s-1960s

Western Europe
1950s-1960s

Haiti
1959

Indonesia
1957-1958

Middle East
1956-1958

Iran
1953

Germany, Italy, Europe
1950s

Eastern Europe
1948-1956

Albania
1949-1953

Korea
1945-1953

Philippines
1945-1953

Greece
1947-1949

Marshall Islands
1946-1958

Italy
1947-1948

France
1947

China
1945-1951

Hiroshima & Nagasaki
August 1945

Dresden, Germany
February 1945

Japan, Germany, France
1942-1945

Around the world
1800s-1930s

Philippines
1899-1902

America and Africa
1607-1890

[The New Yorker]

that gets better the more and more i see.

[Commie Girl]

:cuba: Then you are hopeless...


:ph34r: Will be waiting for the next planes to hit YOU

[Exploited Class]

I know isn't capitalism awesome!

Just wait, Chapter 11s are awesome also!

Chapter 13s are as well, let's face it going bankrupt is fun all around.

What is even more fun, when a large corporation finds your market share and decides to invest heavily into it! That is awesomely good fun!

Oh man, just wait till you get to go head up with something that has unlimited coeffers, that is a blast! They can totally underprice for years and even take a loss for years to come to put a small buisness out of buisness. It is fun times!

What is even more fun, when you get audited by the IRS and you find out you did something wrong, because hey, a new buisness can't afford the best KPMG accountant out there. Trying to figure out back taxes in a changing and unstable market.

Even better, it is so much fun to go into debt to purchase, especially with a brandnew buisness that has yet to show any long term annual success. Good times for all. Then when you find out after just a short period you no longer have all the additional tax breaks and government support (socialism) for your start up and you are actually close to negative, that is a blast.

Even better, when you thought you were stable in the marketplace because you got loans from lenders, come to find out that in a country suffering through one of the slowest recoveries, that they would hand out money to just about anybody.

All that is awesome. Wait till you buy insurance for your buisness, are you an LLC or something, because if not, you will take the full force of any legal actions against you and not your company. Nothing like being completely burdened with legal fees and expenses. And you know what they say on the right wing radio station, every buisness on average can be expected to be taken to court at least once every 3 years. That will be good times if you aren't an LLC, because you will be totally liable for anything, personally.

All good times.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by The New [email protected] 30 2004, 04:38 AM
What violent masses? seems to me that its just a few jerk offs and there familys.
Im assuming hey is talking about the revolution.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 30 2004, 05:26 AM
:ph34r: Will be waiting for the next planes to hit YOU
:( The ignorance :(

[socialistfuture]

i love war, imperialism, the media, destruction of the enviroment and racism... no wait capitalism yeah i like capitalism

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 10:34 AM
i love war
What do you say to anti-war free-market libertarians then?

[New Tolerance]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 10:38 AM
What do you say to anti-war free-market libertarians then?
Eh, he's just fooling with ya.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by New [email protected] 30 2004, 03:00 PM
Eh, he's just fooling with ya.
I do not believe so.

[cubist]

capitalism will only be fun whilst the sun is shining when it rains it pours and your fat yank ass won't me laughiong then

[DRS]

Exactly, they love it when it goes their way, but when they lose it all, they decide to blaim others, serves them right, capitalism will screw you over no matter who you are

[gaf]

i reapeat an old crow( amerindian) sayin
and after you destroyed everything only then you will undertand that monney can no be eaten ".capitalist are chaotic,stupid and puberal .where they see the world as a school yard

:spit:

[gaf]

Originally posted by The New [email protected] 30 2004, 04:38 AM
What violent masses? seems to me that its just a few jerk offs and there familys.
sure don camillo :lol: :lol:

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 10:27 AM
:( The ignorance :(
is waiting for you and you're swiming in

[Y2A]

So you support the 9/11 attacks? I knew you were dumb, but not a bad person. Guess I was wrong huh?

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 03:05 PM
I do not believe so.
you're left :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Y2A]

What the fuck are you talking about?

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 05:55 PM
So you support the 9/11 attacks? I knew you were dumb, but not a bad person. Guess I was wrong huh?
if you think i support 9/11 you wrong
just killing around as a dumdass i am!
but yeah i'm a really really bad person,even more than you think :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 08:38 PM
What do you say to anti-war free-market libertarians then?
They are narrow-issued fuck wits. They proably think the free market will bring peace to the world. Oh wait, that doesn't appear to be happening now.

Such narcissistic competition will invariably necessitate conflict, and when out of hand, war.

They are just guilty capitalists. The type that think charity aren't really cop-outs that create the illusion that giving a little to the poor while keeping the vast majority for the rich is 'meritocratic'.

<_<

[Y2A]

I am just pointing out that not all "capitalists" are pro-war bible-thumpers.

As for gaf, you are one sick kid. I don&#39;t know anyone that died in the 9/11 attacks, but this is a fairly large board and it is possible that their are some people that have had family or friends die in those attacks. I know you are trying to be "cool" but hopefully you grow up an realize that you are being an idiot.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 06:29 PM
I am just pointing out that not all "capitalists" are pro-war bible-thumpers.

As for gaf, you are one sick kid. I don&#39;t know anyone that died in the 9/11 attacks, but this is a fairly large board and it is possible that their are some people that have had family or friends die in those attacks. I know you are trying to be "cool" but hopefully you grow up an realize that you are being an idiot.
i did grow and my family was also a victim from&#33; idiot :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:
and i&#39;m coolere than you think .but sharp&#33;

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Y2A I&#39;ll sort gaf out here, don&#39;t worry about that stupid fucker.

On a side note, capitalism is not very fair to Cuban children now is it guys? I mean an embargo on another country that poses no real threat (especially now without the SU) is deplorable. I&#39;ll post mor eon this.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 06:37 PM
Y2A I&#39;ll sort gaf out here, don&#39;t worry about that stupid fucker.

On a side note, capitalism is not very fair to Cuban children now is it guys? I mean an embargo on another country that poses no real threat (especially now without the SU) is deplorable. I&#39;ll post mor eon this.
and geist behalve your arrogance you have nothing&#33;and behind

[Y2A]

Actually, libertarians would lift the embarrgo on cuba and end all forms of government welfare.

As for myself, I&#39;ve always said that the embarrgo should be lifted especially since it&#39;s not like the Soviets are going to re-emerge and put some nukes on the island.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

gaf what are you talking about, I am going to post the U.N. and E.U. viewpoint on the embargo.

You on the other hand spend your time trying to post in English only to come across like a acid head. You know nothing about anything and you post shit like that picture up there.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 06:40 PM
Actually, libertarians would lift the embarrgo on cuba and end all forms of government welfare.

As for myself, I&#39;ve always said that the embarrgo should be lifted especially since it&#39;s not like the Soviets are going to re-emerge and put some nukes on the island.

The embargo came in before Cuba even went socialist, just after Castro took the reins.

[Y2A]

He&#39;s only opposing evil facisme

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

What do you mean?

[Y2A]

That was a joke at gaf, had nothing to with your post.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 06:42 PM
gaf what are you talking about, I am going to post the U.N. and E.U. viewpoint on the embargo.

You on the other hand spend your time trying to post in English only to come across like a acid head. You know nothing about anything and you post shit like that picture up there.
if it,s the way you wan&#39;t to get me out then sit on it.and i knew you dont understand humour surely is it too low for you.
the best way to be subverfive is not to take distances but surely to take the system moreseriously than it take itself.
do you understand this geist?

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

It is not funny to show a picture like that, I wouldnt want to see a pitcure of the Monaghan bombings and some shit about paddies or something. It&#39;s the same thing.

And your sentence is incoherent so no I don&#39;t understand you.

On a side note here are the quotes:

"Having full knowledge of the recent enforcement of measures aimed at strengthening and widening the (US) economic, commercial and financial blockade against Cuba.... The General Assembly (is) intent on promoting strict adherence to the principles and aims recognised by the Charter of the United Nations, among other principles, the sovereign equality of nations, non intervention and non-interference in their internal affairs, the freedom of international trade and navigation ..."

UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, 1994.

"...the economic, trade and financial embargo imposed by the United States (against Cuba) is affecting the civilian population above all, depriving them of food, medicines and basic necessities."

EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT, 1993.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 06:47 PM
That was a joke at gaf, had nothing to with your post.

I see, the guy makes me touchy. :D

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 11:55 AM
So you support the 9/11 attacks? I knew you were dumb, but not a bad person. Guess I was wrong huh?
I don&#39;t support the Sept. attacks, but I understand why they happened....You guys havent figured it out yet, so when the next attacks come, I hope they hit Nyders house&#33; Read what I said....nowhere did it say that I supported the attacks.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 06:51 PM

I see, the guy makes me touchy. :D
you&#39;re jokin :P :P :P

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 06:51 PM
It is not funny to show a picture like that, I wouldnt want to see a pitcure of the Monaghan bombings and some shit about paddies or something. It&#39;s the same thing.

And your sentence is incoherent so no I don&#39;t understand you.

On a side note here are the quotes:

"Having full knowledge of the recent enforcement of measures aimed at strengthening and widening the (US) economic, commercial and financial blockade against Cuba.... The General Assembly (is) intent on promoting strict adherence to the principles and aims recognised by the Charter of the United Nations, among other principles, the sovereign equality of nations, non intervention and non-interference in their internal affairs, the freedom of international trade and navigation ..."

UNITED NATIONS GENERAL ASSEMBLY, 1994.

"...the economic, trade and financial embargo imposed by the United States (against Cuba) is affecting the civilian population above all, depriving them of food, medicines and basic necessities."

EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT, 1993.
you&#39;re so fuckin serious.you jus an annoying kid :lol: :lol: :lol:

[gaf]

the best way to be subversive is not to take distances but surely to take the system more seriously than it take itself.
better??????

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

No, I refuse to understand anything you write...:)

Anyway I guess I am serious about some things, it must be the deaths of civilians or something, weird that.

And sadly I&#39;m probably older than you which makes your comment a little well, idiotic.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 30 2004, 06:54 PM
I don&#39;t support the Sept. attacks, but I understand why they happened....You guys havent figured it out yet, so when the next attacks come, I hope they hit Nyders house&#33; Read what I said....nowhere did it say that I supported the attacks.
Right......

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 07:02 PM
No, I refuse to understand anything you write...:)

Anyway I guess I am serious about some things, it must be the deaths of civilians or something, weird that.

And sadly I&#39;m probably older than you which makes your comment a little well, idiotic.
well is your life time makes you wiser prove it.
i&#39;m just not this arrogant :D

[Y2A]

What are you anyway?

French?

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 07:07 PM
What are you anyway?

French?
unluckuly yeah.but heimatlos i am

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 07:02 PM
No, I refuse to understand anything you write...:)

Anyway I guess I am serious about some things, it must be the deaths of civilians or something, weird that.

And sadly I&#39;m probably older than you which makes your comment a little well, idiotic.
Anyway I guess I am serious about some things, it must be the deaths of civilians or something, weird that.



&#39;get of your taboes and you may understand freedom

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Seriously what the fuck are taboes?

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 07:19 PM
Seriously what the fuck are taboes?
no rethoric

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 07:22 PM
no rethoric
things you don&#39;t have to talk about

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 07:23 PM
things you don&#39;t have to talk about
like your salaris

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Ok thats proof enough...

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 07:43 PM
Ok thats proof enough...
just doesn&#39;t prove what you have in your account :lol: :lol: :lol:
wise guy

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Of what?

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 08:00 PM
Of what?
of what what?

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Keep spamming, go on. More votes.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 08:04 PM
Keep spamming, go on. More votes.
yeah if they don&#39;t want to understand you,re spaming
not new really and thats get you down where you are .
point out.long live che .(and i mean it)

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

You made three posts in succession quoting yourself for gods sake at one point, not to mention the whole nuking threads.

I couldnt care less if you can&#39;t type perfect english but you spam aswell.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 08:12 PM
You made three posts in succession quoting yourself for gods sake at one point, not to mention the whole nuking threads.

I couldnt care less if you can&#39;t type perfect english but you spam aswell.
you so good you don&#39;t see the obvious
and i won&#39;t comment spam because it coud get me vote
ok i stop but you still arrogant ant i still a dumbass

[StarryPlough]

America the worlds biggest capitalist country has by far the highest number of people living below the poverty line in the developed world.

In America the worlds biggest Capitalist country 50 million of her citizens are unable to avail of proper medical care because they cannot afford health insurance
even though many of these people work 50 hour weeks.

In America where nearly every service is privatley run, there are communities without electricity because private companies see it as unprofitable to provide them with electricity.

Thats Unchecked Capitalism for you.

[The New Yorker]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 30 2004, 04:41 AM
Yes&#33; They interfere as little as possible in individuals lives, for example:

Afghanistan
2001-Present

Colombia
1960s-Present

Yugoslavia
1992-Present

Congo/Zaire
1961-Present

Cuba
1959-Present

Guatemala
1953-Present

El Salvador
1980-Present

East Timor
1975-1999

Haiti
1987-1994

Somalia
1993

Afghanistan
1979-1992

Nicaragua
1981-1990

Panama
1989
Page Two:


Libya
1981-1989

Iran
1988

Grenada
1979-1984

Greece
1964-1974

Chile
1964-1973

Costa Rica
Mid-1950s, 1970-71

Dominican Republic
1963-1966

Vietnam
1945-1974

Cambodia
1955-1973

Laos
1957-1973

Thailand
1965-1973

Italy
1947-1970s

Indonesia
1965

Brazil
1961-1964

British Guiana/Guyana
1953-1964

Iraq
1963
Page Three:


Soviet Union
1940s-1960s

Western Europe
1950s-1960s

Haiti
1959

Indonesia
1957-1958

Middle East
1956-1958

Iran
1953

Germany, Italy, Europe
1950s

Eastern Europe
1948-1956

Albania
1949-1953

Korea
1945-1953

Philippines
1945-1953

Greece
1947-1949

Marshall Islands
1946-1958

Italy
1947-1948

France
1947

China
1945-1951

Hiroshima & Nagasaki
August 1945

Dresden, Germany
February 1945

Japan, Germany, France
1942-1945

Around the world
1800s-1930s

Philippines
1899-1902

America and Africa
1607-1890
I was talking about capitalism not the usa

Where did i involve the US in that post?

[DRS]

USA is capitalism

[The New Yorker]

DRS never post on any thing ive said please your always out of it when you do and i promise never to post on any thiong you say assuming i can read it.

[Bourgeoisie]

The Free market has got to be the best system on earth. I mean who would want to live in one of these Socialist nations where the unemployment is so high, along with their taxes.

And a Communist state, good lord, who on earth would want to be a piss poor drone, only living to serve some broken down crappy system, and oppressive ruling party.

But hey if you want to live your life as a serf, then go serve your lord and master. :D

[Raisa]

<<The Free market has got to be the best system on earth. >>

Not for everybody.

<<But hey if you want to live your life as a serf, then go serve your lord and master.>>

You act like this doesnt happen now.

[socialistfuture]

what about the fact that if it werent for the USSR nazi germany could well have one ww2.

america still has its ghettos, consentration camps (natice american indian reserves.. there not quite there but they surely have been fucked over), prostitution, masses of crime, gang wars, so much crime they make tv programs out of it and a president that is hated the world over so much so that people will give their lives to send planes into its buildings.

many americans hate their own system, they move away or do whats happening now (demonstrate and get thrown in prison - desent must surely be a form of terrorism).

so lets all say yay for police state america, neoliberlism, foreign intervention - imperialism, the waste and wars of capitalism and the NWO.

we here love capitalism so much that someone made CHE LIVES and we all made ourselves at home in this community. ppl who feel insecure about their system keep coming here to tell is how great capitalism is - we already know its legacy...

u wont find converts here - u will find the ghost of nixon, the agents of orange, the priest of hiroshima (thanks zack de la) and all the glories of the god of consumerism.

we rather follow Zapata, than king george&#33;

[Bourgeoisie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 01:54 AM
<<The Free market has got to be the best system on earth. >>

Not for everybody.

<<But hey if you want to live your life as a serf, then go serve your lord and master.>>

You act like this doesnt happen now.
It sure is happing now. North Korea for example, Black Sudanese being forced into slavery by Arabs. The sweat shops throughout south east Asia. I wonder how many Angolan slaves are still alive in Cuba?

Or how about China, has thing improved much from their great stumble backwards? Or what about Po Pot&#39;s Socialist adventure.

Oh wait he is some CIA plant, i forgot. :P Strange how whenever one of these nutt jobs kill a Million or so people they suddenly become a CIA agent, and are no longer a freedom fighting brother. :D

[Bourgeoisie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 01:57 AM
what about the fact that if it werent for the USSR nazi germany could well have one ww2.


Well how about this, if it wasn&#39;t for the United States the USSR could have been defeated. Who do you think kept the red army supplied, and built their war factorys in Siberia.

If you ever happen to visit one of the factorys you would notice that all the machines are either made by GE, Westinghouse or some other American Corperation. So here you have Capitalism saving the Commies. <_<

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 09:48 PM
Well how about this, if it wasn&#39;t for the United States the USSR could have been defeated. Who do you think kept the red army supplied, and built their war factorys in Siberia.

If you ever happen to visit one of the factorys you would notice that all the machines are either made by GE, Westinghouse or some other American Corperation. So here you have Capitalism saving the Commies. <_<
Are you talking about the Lend-Lease Act? That was for the benefit of the U&#036; also....and without the USSR, the U&#036; would have not done as well in the Pacific.

[socialistfuture]

Pol pot was supported by the CIA it is well known and documented - USA also helped out mao tse tung to an extend to drive the Japanse out of China when they saw the Nationalists were not going to be able to do it.

The vietnamese communists wento into cambodia and removed pol pot from power. in WW2 the allies were affraid of communists gaining influence and so they didnt support the partisan - communist underground resistance much. there were some who wanted to ally with hitler. for intance in america henry ford supported hitler - american companies gave him funds - that is why america was neutral they were going either way waiting it out.

the allies withhel support from the solviet union when germany had attacked. they wanted the USSR to be as weak as possible. once the USSR defeated germany both the allies and USSR rushed to gain as much territory in germany (hence why it was split) the solviets beat them to berlin.

so the whole we saved ure ass (god bless america) has a lot to answer for. WW2 wasnt just fighting facism (mussolini was with the allies until right up to ww2) the allies would not back the communists to defeat him in italy or to defeat hitler earlier in germany. as soon as WW2 the cold war began.

capitalism has always been about was and preserving the rights of the wealth and elite - with the trickle down effect ( the trickle down of the working classes blood in the capitalists wars and industries).


tyrants come in all forms and colours - we must all work against that but saying all communists are repressive tyrants or sheep like serfs is a lie and history proves otherwise

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 08:36 PM
It sure is happing now. North Korea for example, Black Sudanese being forced into slavery by Arabs. The sweat shops throughout south east Asia. I wonder how many Angolan slaves are still alive in Cuba?

Or how about China, has thing improved much from their great stumble backwards? Or what about Po Pot&#39;s Socialist adventure.

Oh wait he is some CIA plant, i forgot. :P Strange how whenever one of these nutt jobs kill a Million or so people they suddenly become a CIA agent, and are no longer a freedom fighting brother. :D
It&#39;s not only that he was anti-Communist in practice (e.g. playing up nationalist Cambodian sentiment against ethnic Vietnamese, accepting C.I.A. money) he was also totally un-Marxist in a theoretical sense. Marxists envision industrial, urban collectivism; to blame the shortcomings of a rural, agrarian collectivism on a completely different theory is simply hogwash.

[Nyder]

Hey commies, no offence, but why the hostility? I have done nothing to you. In fact my success could actually benefit you because I spend more money which means more jobs and higher incomes. It&#39;s that wonderful little &#39;trickle down&#39; effect. ;)

And if I were you I&#39;d decide to go into business because employees are &#39;wage slaves&#39; in the sense that they get to pay a heck of a lot of taxes whilst businesses get to claim a lot more tax deductions (at least where I live I&#39;m not too sure about the rest of the world).

Capitalism is all good if you just be optimistic and look for opportunities. It&#39;s all about your mindset really. If I spent all my time brooding and cursing about capitalism then I&#39;m sure I would get nowhere fast - unless I was a politician&#33; ;)

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 08:09 PM
Hey commies, no offence, but why the hostility? I have done nothing to you. In fact my success could actually benefit you because I spend more money which means more jobs and higher incomes. It&#39;s that wonderful little &#39;trickle down&#39; effect. ;)

And if I were you I&#39;d decide to go into business because employees are &#39;wage slaves&#39; in the sense that they get to pay a heck of a lot of taxes whilst businesses get to claim a lot more tax deductions (at least where I live I&#39;m not too sure about the rest of the world).

Capitalism is all good if you just be optimistic and look for opportunities. It&#39;s all about your mindset really. If I spent all my time brooding and cursing about capitalism then I&#39;m sure I would get nowhere fast - unless I was a politician&#33; ;)
no you didn&#39; t and spend your monney mean they have to produce.so wonderful

quote
And if I were you I&#39;d decide to go into business because employees are &#39;wage slaves&#39; in the sense that they get to pay a heck of a lot of taxes whilst businesses get to claim a lot more tax deductions (at least where I live I&#39;m not too sure about the rest of the world). quote

you made your point don&#39; t be a slave.be the one who fuck them.so wonderful


yeah what a wonderful world.if you&#39;are a politician

[Not Yet a Commie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 03:48 AM
Well how about this, if it wasn&#39;t for the United States the USSR could have been defeated. Who do you think kept the red army supplied, and built their war factorys in Siberia.

If you ever happen to visit one of the factorys you would notice that all the machines are either made by GE, Westinghouse or some other American Corperation. So here you have Capitalism saving the Commies. <_<
If it wasn&#39;t for the United States, the death toll of the Soviet Union in WWII could have been much smaller. At the beginning of the war Stalin was almost begging the US to help, but the US, as always, had their own selfish interests in the game. Yes, the US sold weapons to the Soviet Union on the later stages of the war, but it wasn&#39;t done to fight facism. It was done to make a buck, to boost the post-depression economy, so please don&#39;t be so romantic about the intentions of your leaders. As for the factories in Siberia... well, what can I say? I happen to be from this frozen land (which, by the way, has summers just like any other place South of Polar Circle, in case you don&#39;t know it- I am telling this because quite a few of your compatriots think it&#39;s frozen a year round. Well, what could you expect of a nation whose citisens don&#39;t know the geography of their own country&#33;). I have visited many factories, and haven&#39;t seen a single US-made machine. I know it&#39;s anecdotal evidence, but it still proves you to be a lier. By the way, 99 percent of the factories have stopped their operation since the start of capitalism in Russia. Yes, many of them were defense factories, but again, we should thank the US for that, your country has threatened us so many times we had to do something about it (By the way, my city was on the US list of targets of a pre-emptive nuclear attack. Thank god Soviet Union happened to develop nukes months before the scheduled attack). If it weren&#39;t for Russian nukes, my country would be invaded just like Iraq, and it&#39;s not because of tyranny or something, but because of the oil that it has. So I am really grateful to my Communist ancestors for building the shield from the hawks like US.

[Not Yet a Commie]

Oops, it&#39;s fascism, not facism

[redstar2000]

Capitalism is all good if you just be optimistic and look for opportunities. It&#39;s all about your mindset really. If I spent all my time brooding and cursing about capitalism then I&#39;m sure I would get nowhere fast...

I agree that "mind-set" plays a role in the functioning of the capitalist system.

But I can&#39;t help but wonder if you have ever actually met one of these "optimists" who are always "looking for opportunities".

They are not really "stupid" people...yet that&#39;s the impression they give. Their intelligence may even be above normal, but it is exclusively focused on making money.

As someone put it over a century ago (if I&#39;m not mistaken), they "know the price of everything and the value of nothing."

They have no friends, only "business associates".

They cannot read a book...unless it&#39;s about business.

They may own all kinds of fabulous and extravagant possessions...but they are "too busy" to enjoy them.

They may be "head" of a family...but that family hardly ever even sees them.

Ask yourself, honestly, is that a decent way for human beings to live?

When you&#39;re on your own deathbed, do you really want to be one of those sorry bastards who says "Gee, I wish I&#39;d spent more time at the office."?

Failure in capitalism is catastrophic; but success is not as much of an improvement as you might imagine.

The luckiest people under capitalism might well be those who manage to avoid both&#33;

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 11:38 AM
What do you say to anti-war free-market libertarians then?
Not a lot because they dont exist.

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by Not Yet a [email protected] 2 2004, 04:07 PM
So I am really grateful to my Communist ancestors for building the shield from the hawks like US.
So you are admitting that the USSR was communist ?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 04:55 PM
Not a lot because they dont exist.
Dream on. The US libertarian party have been anti-war from the outset.

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 03:48 AM
Well how about this, if it wasn&#39;t for the United States the USSR could have been defeated.

What a shithead&#33; It was the other way around. The USSR saved the USA and the world from the Fascist plague. More than 70% of the Nazi war machine was used against the Red army. Had this been on the Western front, the Imperialist Allies would have been driven back to the sea. So tell me, did you actually go to Russia and see for yourself that the factories were all US built? Or did you just read it in a Republican magazine?

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 2 2004, 06:29 PM
So you are admitting that the USSR was communist ?
He means his family who was around at that point in time that took part in building the USSR into a superpower. Not the nation itself.

[Invader Zim]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 2 2004, 07:30 PM
Dream on. The US libertarian party have been anti-war from the outset.
Not if they or America&#39;s finacial interests were threatened, they would be on the war band waggon ASAP in such a situation.

[Nyder]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 04:50 PM

I agree that "mind-set" plays a role in the functioning of the capitalist system.

But I can&#39;t help but wonder if you have ever actually met one of these "optimists" who are always "looking for opportunities".

They are not really "stupid" people...yet that&#39;s the impression they give. Their intelligence may even be above normal, but it is exclusively focused on making money.

As someone put it over a century ago (if I&#39;m not mistaken), they "know the price of everything and the value of nothing."

They have no friends, only "business associates".

They cannot read a book...unless it&#39;s about business.

They may own all kinds of fabulous and extravagant possessions...but they are "too busy" to enjoy them.

They may be "head" of a family...but that family hardly ever even sees them.

When you&#39;re on your own deathbed, do you really want to be one of those sorry bastards who says "Gee, I wish I&#39;d spent more time at the office."?

Failure in capitalism is catastrophic; but success is not as much of an improvement as you might imagine.

The luckiest people under capitalism might well be those who manage to avoid both&#33;

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas
Well that&#39;s an extremely bad stereotype. Although I believe you got one thing right - business owners work very hard to keep themselves afloat.


Ask yourself, honestly, is that a decent way for human beings to live?

What? As opposed to lining up every day to get food portions after your day of hard labour and living in a rundown little hut with no electricity?

[Not Yet a Commie]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 2 2004, 07:00 PM
He means his family who was around at that point in time that took part in building the USSR into a superpower. Not the nation itself.
Not exactly. I meant communists, people who were members of the Communist party and those who supported them. But you are right about the nation not being communist. Some shitheads seem not to be able to understand, that the communism was declared as the goal for the future, not the current state at that time.

Anyway, I admit that the USSR was ruled by communists, but I didn&#39;t claim its system was purely communist. I rather think of it as a transition stage from capitalism to socialism, and yes, such a transition takes time.

You, supporters of capitalism, say that capitalism brings freedom, but you forget that most of the freedoms that you enjoy in the US came about as a result of protest of - guess who? left-wingers&#33; If it hadn&#39;t been for muck rakers and populists in the beginning of the 20th century, you would still have sweatshops full of children under 14y.o., women, not even having the right to vote, as well as a whole bunch of other capitalist "perks"

[Bourgeoisie]

QUOTE : Not Yet a Commie



If it wasn&#39;t for the United States, the death toll of the Soviet Union in WWII could have been much smaller. At the beginning of the war Stalin was almost begging the US to help, but the US, as always, had their own selfish interests in the game.


Don&#39;t blame the Soviet human wave attacks on us. Such a shame, retreating Russian troops getting gunned down by their own officers. Buy this is how it is under the Communist system. Human are unimportant and expendible, as long as the ruling party and system survive.

Well at the begining of the war you were an ally of the Nazis. Not to mention we were treated as the enemy by you, and your spys were infiltrating labor unions, and trying to cause a Communist uprising. But just when your Nazi buddies stabbed you in the back, we became friends of the Soviet people again, and Stalin came crawling like the worm he is.



Yes, the US sold weapons to the Soviet Union on the later stages of the war, but it wasn&#39;t done to fight facism. It was done to make a buck, to boost the post-depression economy, so please don&#39;t be so romantic about the intentions of your leaders.

This is BS, once the nazis attacked you and bombed your factories we were there to help you pick up the peices. Look into the lend lease act.


As for the factories in Siberia... well, what can I say? I happen to be from this frozen land (which, by the way, has summers just like any other place South of Polar Circle, in case you don&#39;t know it- I am telling this because quite a few of your compatriots think it&#39;s frozen a year round. Well, what could you expect of a nation whose citisens don&#39;t know the geography of their own country&#33;).

What the hell are you rambling about? I know very well that Siberia is a humid mosquito infested marsh during the summer.


I have visited many factories, and haven&#39;t seen a single US-made machine. I know it&#39;s anecdotal evidence, but it still proves you to be a lier. By the way, 99 percent of the factories have stopped their operation since the start of capitalism in Russia. Yes, many of them were defense factories, but again, we should thank the US for that,

Again refer to what i said above. It has been well documented that we built up your infrastructure, among other things like the lend lease act. Maybe you haven&#39;t seen one of these. Most of war machines would have been dumped in the trash long ago. You must have heard about this? Maybe you just don&#39;t want to listen, it must bring great shame to know that in your time of need the Capitalist pigs came to your aid, and not the Soviet peoples party.

If i can find any photos of the machines or generators i will post them here. Try searching around Siberia for some old General Electric generators that are still in use.


your country has threatened us so many times we had to do something about it (By the way, my city was on the US list of targets of a pre-emptive nuclear attack. Thank god Soviet Union happened to develop nukes months before the scheduled attack). If it weren&#39;t for Russian nukes, my country would be invaded just like Iraq, and it&#39;s not because of tyranny or something, but because of the oil that it has. So I am really grateful to my Communist ancestors for building the shield from the hawks like US.

Well guess what Comrade, my city also was a pre-emptive Nuclear target of the Freedom loving Soviet Socialist party. :rolleyes:

Scheduled attack... Right. :lol: They programed you well.

Yes we want all the oil, nuke half the world, and get all the oil. Sounds like a great plan to me. Oh wait, the oil would radioactive in that part of the world. :(

Are you also going to be greatful when some Chechen terroists get ahold of some of your many nukes laying around? :ph34r:

[Bourgeoisie]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 2 2004, 06:56 PM
What a shithead&#33; It was the other way around. The USSR saved the USA and the world from the Fascist plague. More than 70% of the Nazi war machine was used against the Red army. Had this been on the Western front, the Imperialist Allies would have been driven back to the sea. So tell me, did you actually go to Russia and see for yourself that the factories were all US built? Or did you just read it in a Republican magazine?
While the Soviets were fighting man to man, who was it that was bombing the Nazi war machine? Their factorys, the rail lines, air fields, command and control centers.

You should thank us that the Nazis were running low on ammo, fuel, and supplies. :P

Not to mention the crack troops and panzer divisons that were pulled off the eastern front, to fight in the west.

I have seen some photos of these machines and generators, refer to my above posting.

[Bourgeoisie]

Originally posted by Not Yet a [email protected] 3 2004, 03:56 AM
Not exactly. I meant communists, people who were members of the Communist party and those who supported them. But you are right about the nation not being communist. Some shitheads seem not to be able to understand, that the communism was declared as the goal for the future, not the current state at that time.

Anyway, I admit that the USSR was ruled by communists, but I didn&#39;t claim its system was purely communist. I rather think of it as a transition stage from capitalism to socialism, and yes, such a transition takes time.

You, supporters of capitalism, say that capitalism brings freedom, but you forget that most of the freedoms that you enjoy in the US came about as a result of protest of - guess who? left-wingers&#33; If it hadn&#39;t been for muck rakers and populists in the beginning of the 20th century, you would still have sweatshops full of children under 14y.o., women, not even having the right to vote, as well as a whole bunch of other capitalist "perks"
Nice fairy tale. Some day you will all be free in this Communist state, but in the meantime, don&#39;t mind our crimes against humanity. Its just growing pains. :lol:


As for American labor unions, it wasn&#39;t just people on the left, its was also people on the right, and people in the middle. And the goverment made the laws and set the standards, both Democate and Republican.

And it wasn&#39;t that long ago that the USSR had sweatshops, people making usless junk to keep the broken system going, and to keep people of the streets protesting.

So how was it to slave away in one of these factorys, making junk no one will use, and at the end of the day getting paid your one peanut, and spending the rest of the night in some bread line waiting to spend it?

[Hiero]

It sure is happing now. North Korea for example, Black Sudanese being forced into slavery by Arabs. The sweat shops throughout south east Asia. I wonder how many Angolan slaves are still alive in Cuba?

What has socialism got to do with the Sudanese government. That government is reactionary Islamic rule.

[socialistfuture]

Stalin and Hitler were never allies - they both feared each other and wanted to stay in power - if they went for each other the allies could beat the winner so they witheld for as long as possible. it was never going to a be a perminent peace deal.

WW2 was a land grab by rival imperial powers - not just an anti facist war. america was prepared to go on whatever side one. the USSR and USA happened to be on the same side - once the Hitler threat was eliminated they went for each other (the cold war).

capitalism was no great moral force that one ww2. some socialists and anarchists refused to take part - calling it an imperialist war. the USA never saved us. the bombing of hiroshima and ngasaki were not needed - it was simply to scare the solviet union.

death to imperialism-death to facism&#33;

[Comrade Hector]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 06:54 AM
QUOTE : Not Yet a Commie





Don&#39;t blame the Soviet human wave attacks on us. Such a shame, retreating Russian troops getting gunned down by their own officers. Buy this is how it is under the Communist system. Human are unimportant and expendible, as long as the ruling party and system survive.

Well at the begining of the war you were an ally of the Nazis. Not to mention we were treated as the enemy by you, and your spys were infiltrating labor unions, and trying to cause a Communist uprising. But just when your Nazi buddies stabbed you in the back, we became friends of the Soviet people again, and Stalin came crawling like the worm he is.

Enemy At The Gates was just a movie. This was a complete distortion of the great Battle of Stalingrad. The Soviets never gunned down their own troops as was shown in this movie. Apparently this is the only view known to right-wing westerners. This was actually the practice of the Czar&#39;s Army in the First World War, sending their soldiers into battle without arms or shoes even, and then gunning them down if they retreated. This was the inspiration for the opening scene. The Soviets were never allies with the Nazis. The pact that was made by Hitler and Stalin was to assure that no military action be taken by the Nazis on the Soviet Union. Stalin needed to buy some time to build up the army. Unfortunately it turned out to be a fatal mistake. On the other hand, it spelled certain doom for the Nazis.


While the Soviets were fighting man to man, who was it that was bombing the Nazi war machine? Their factorys, the rail lines, air fields, command and control centers.

You should thank us that the Nazis were running low on ammo, fuel, and supplies.

Not to mention the crack troops and panzer divisons that were pulled off the eastern front, to fight in the west.

I have seen some photos of these machines and generators, refer to my above posting.

Most of the Nazi factories, rail lines, command and control centers in Europe were under siege by Partisans (Communist Guerillas) whom committed countless acts of sabotage and ambushes. It was the Partisans who derailed trains, attacked convoys and transports carrying fuel, ammo, and other supplies to the Nazis. It was these acts plus the Soviet effort on the Russian front that enabled the Imperialist allies to succeed. Even with this they barely achieved the invasion. The imperialist played a relatively minor role in the war against Fascism. All they basically did was get involved. Read some European history&#33;


Not exactly. I meant communists, people who were members of the Communist party and those who supported them. But you are right about the nation not being communist. Some shitheads seem not to be able to understand, that the communism was declared as the goal for the future, not the current state at that time.

For Not Yet A Commie: I understand what you meant. I guess didn&#39;t make it clear enough. All of these right-wing morons can&#39;t grap the concept of Communism to save Bush&#39;s life. After all it was the Capitalist world which called the USSR and the other Socialist states &#39;Communist&#39;.

[Louis Pio]

I mean who would want to live in one of these Socialist nations where the unemployment is so high, along with their taxes.


Hahahahaha actually their wasn&#39;t unemployment in the Soviet Union or the Eastern Block. They had the right to work which means everyone could get a job.
Can&#39;t you just study a little bit before you write anything?

[Professor Moneybags]

Originally posted by Not Yet a [email protected] 3 2004, 03:56 AM
You, supporters of capitalism, say that capitalism brings freedom, but you forget that most of the freedoms that you enjoy in the US came about as a result of protest of - guess who? left-wingers&#33;
Don&#39;t flatter yourselves. The reason people are working fewer hours now than 100 years ago is thanks to industrialisation, not because some benevolent person decided to legislate economic prosperity into existence.

It&#39;s no surprise the places where "sweatshops" exist are the places where industrialisation is mostly absent.

[Sabocat]

The reason people are working fewer hours now than 100 years ago is thanks to industrialisation, not because some benevolent person decided to legislate economic prosperity into existence.

People today are working fewer hours because of concessions made to labor unions and workers after brutal and bloody strikes that the factory owners would try to suppress with the police and national guard.

Women textile workers perhaps the most responsible.

[redstar2000]

What? As opposed to lining up every day to get food portions after your day of hard labour and living in a rundown little hut with no electricity?

Really, Nyder, is that the "best" you can do?

I asked you if you thought being a capitalist predator was a decent way for humans to live...and this childishness is your response?

Do you wish to argue that communist societies would abandon electricity ether through incompetence or as a matter of principle?

Particularly in the light of recent events in California where capitalists literally "pulled the plug" to make more money&#33;

If you don&#39;t have a serious response to my arguments, perhaps it would be better for you to remain silent.

:redstar2000:

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A site about communist ideas

[Trump_$$$]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 12:04 AM
I didn&#39;t start out with much, but not too long ago I entered the security industry (which is protecting capitalist&#39;s property :lol: ) - and now I am running my own business.

I have a new car and am planning on buying my own apartment. Capitalism rocks&#33;&#33;&#33; :D
Yes it does&#33; At least for the people that make the slightest attempt at being successful.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

And the people who aren&#39;t "successful"? I guess they just didn&#39;t try, right? My trash collector works more hours a week than Bill Gates, but he&#39;s just not working hard enough, right?

Fuck off, you lying capitalist prick.

[Trump_$$$]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 02:53 AM
And the people who aren&#39;t "successful"? I guess they just didn&#39;t try, right? My trash collector works more hours a week than Bill Gates, but he&#39;s just not working hard enough, right?

Fuck off, you lying capitalist prick.
If he wants to work with his body instead of using his mind then more power to him. It&#39;s his decision you burned out wanna be commie douche bag.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

If he wants to work with his body instead of using his mind then more power to him. It&#39;s his decision you burned out wanna be commie douche bag.

Then why isn&#39;t he being justly rewarded by fair, almighty capitalism then you supperating pus filled capitalist ulcer?

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

The teachers at the local school work with their minds, what about them? They work harder than Bill Gates? Where&#39;s their multi-billion dollar fortune?

[Bourgeoisie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 10:05 AM

Hahahahaha actually their wasn&#39;t unemployment in the Soviet Union or the Eastern Block. They had the right to work which means everyone could get a job.
Can&#39;t you just study a little bit before you write anything?
Socialist as in Europe now. Get a clue.

Sure everyone had their jobs in the Soviet Union, more like forced labor and slavery. Making usless junk just to keep the crappy system alive, and at the end of the day you earned your one peanut. :P

[DaCuBaN]

Making usless junk just to keep the crappy system alive, and at the end of the day you earned your one peanut.
:lol:
I love it, I needed to hear y&#39;self say that to make my day today. Get a grip man: Either way you&#39;re making pointless junk; you&#39;re paid peanuts; you&#39;re keeping the system alive.

Your whole sentence says absolutely nothing at all&#33; :lol: Thanks, I did need a chuckle.

[Bourgeoisie]

Trash collectors make a fair amount of money, and its not even a hard job. You will understand this when some of you are old enough to get a job, and the others are forced to get a job, when their parents throw then out.

[DaCuBaN]

Socialist as in Europe now. Get a clue.


I&#39;m afraid that you are severely deluded here: Whilst the scandanavian nations could be called Socialist, the nations of europe would be more closely described as centrist-mixed economy. Living and working here, it&#39;s kind of obvious.

Get a clue. Next you&#39;re going to throw out the wonderfully enlightening phrase "Socialism=Evil because it initiates force" as if it actually carries weight on a leftist message board. Really, I don&#39;t know why you people voluntarily come to prison... It says a lot :lol:

[DaCuBaN]

Socialist as in Europe now. Get a clue.


I&#39;m afraid that you are severely deluded here: Whilst the scandanavian nations could be called Socialist, the nations of europe would be more closely described as centrist-mixed economy. Living and working here, it&#39;s kind of obvious.

Get a clue. Next you&#39;re going to throw out the wonderfully enlightening phrase "Socialism=Evil because it initiates force" as if it actually carries weight on a leftist message board. Really, I don&#39;t know why you people voluntarily come to prison... It says a lot :lol:

[socialistfuture]

Don&#39;t flatter yourselves. The reason people are working fewer hours now than 100 years ago is thanks to industrialisation, not because some benevolent person decided to legislate economic prosperity into existence.

It&#39;s no surprise the places where "sweatshops" exist are the places where industrialisation is mostly absent.

Sweatshops are often in very industrial zones - eg Nike clothing sweatshops - they use power, have sowing machines etc.

some people work less hours because of improved conditions by the labour movement - unions, workers fighting for their rights. bosses dont just improve conditions by choice.

yeah sure some make it big - at the expense of others. i have never been on a dole - i work to get things i need. ever occur to the cappies that maybe poor nations are poor because of the way the power structure lies? africa is rich in resources but the bulk of the loot goes abroad. Bill Gates is loaded cause of his empire and monopoly not because he works harder than everyone else. maybe the ppl that work for him work really hard.

there is a reason there is ghettos in the cities - even in wealthy countries - because the wealth is spread unevenly.

[Professor Moneybags]

Get a clue. Next you&#39;re going to throw out the wonderfully enlightening phrase "Socialism=Evil because it initiates force" as if it actually carries weight on a leftist message board.

I&#39;ve realised it carries no weight here too.

...Until someone mentions the 100 million corpses (courtesy of the "initiation of force = necessary/good" doctrine), then begins the "...but that wasn&#39;t real communism" whitewash. Why the hypocracy ?

[Bourgeoisie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 07:39 AM
:lol:
I love it, I needed to hear y&#39;self say that to make my day today. Get a grip man: Either way you&#39;re making pointless junk; you&#39;re paid peanuts; you&#39;re keeping the system alive.

Your whole sentence says absolutely nothing at all&#33; :lol: Thanks, I did need a chuckle.
Excuse my typo Douche bag, its 6:00 am and i went out drinking all night. Get a grip its just a web board, i&#39;ll be sure to point out some of yours next time.

[Professor Moneybags]

People today are working fewer hours because of concessions made to labor unions and workers after brutal and bloody strikes that the factory owners would try to suppress with the police and national guard.

The reason people are working fewer hours now than 100 years ago is thanks to industrialisation, not because some benevolent person decided to legislate economic prosperity into existence.

Hence the reason that "sweatshops" exist where industrialisation is mostly absent.

[Professor Moneybags]

Do you wish to argue that communist societies would abandon electricity ether through incompetence or as a matter of principle?

They did in California a few years ago with their stupid environmentalist laws.


Particularly in the light of recent events in California where capitalists literally "pulled the plug" to make more money&#33;

How is that any different to a labour strike to demand more money ?

[socialistfuture]

but that is not true - they do not exist out in the whoop whoops - they exist in or near the city

[Bourgeoisie]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 4 2004, 09:56 AM
Get a clue. Next you&#39;re going to throw out the wonderfully enlightening phrase "Socialism=Evil because it initiates force" as if it actually carries weight on a leftist message board.

I&#39;ve realised it carries no weight here too.

...Until someone mentions the 100 million corpses (courtesy of the "initiation of force = necessary/good" doctrine), then begins the "...but that wasn&#39;t real communism" whitewash. Why the hypocracy ?
I was going to say the same thing. But they think its a good thing if it helps the system, and of course they themsleves are not forced.

[DaCuBaN]

Excuse my typo Douche bag, its 6:00 am and i went out drinking all night. Get a grip its just a web board, i&#39;ll be sure to point out some of yours next time.

You made a typo? I called you on it? :blink:
I think you&#39;re more confused than I previously thought...


...Until someone mentions the 100 million corpses (courtesy of the "initiation of force = necessary/good" doctrine), then begins the "...but that wasn&#39;t real communism" whitewash. Why the hypocracy ?

You may have noticed I&#39;m not in the commie club: This came to a head over my objection to the use of force. Sorry man, this one doesn&#39;t apply to a pacifist.

As far as I&#39;m concerned, those people were no &#39;communists&#39; - simply extremist idiots.

[Bourgeoisie]

Yeah you better hurry up and edit that. ;)

[DaCuBaN]

I was correcting mistakes and responding to another user... your point? If you actually do have something to say - which having just reviewed your posts I very much doubt - then get it over with, chump.

[Bourgeoisie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 09:03 AM

I&#39;m afraid that you are severely deluded here: Whilst the scandanavian nations could be called Socialist, the nations of europe would be more closely described as centrist-mixed economy. Living and working here, it&#39;s kind of obvious.

Get a clue. Next you&#39;re going to throw out the wonderfully enlightening phrase "Socialism=Evil because it initiates force" as if it actually carries weight on a leftist message board. Really, I don&#39;t know why you people voluntarily come to prison... It says a lot :lol:
So you would think Spain, France, and Germany would be centrist?

[Bourgeoisie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 4 2004, 10:55 AM
I was correcting mistakes and responding to another user... your point? If you actually do have something to say - which having just reviewed your posts I very much doubt - then get it over with, chump.
So when are you going to enlighten us wise one? :D

[DaCuBaN]

It&#39;s not my opinion, it&#39;s a matter of record:

Spain (http://www.abacci.com/atlas/politics3.asp?countryID=325)
France (http://www.abacci.com/atlas/politics3.asp?countryID=197)
Germany (http://www.abacci.com/atlas/politics3.asp?countryID=203)

Those links will take you directly to the political entry for these nations, there are links to the economic sections on the relevant pages - I&#39;m sure you can work these out for yourself.

For a country to be socialist, it must have state control of industry - ergo Cuba and North Korea are socialist nations. European nations have a mix of state controlled industries (which certainly in my locality are on the decline) and privatised industry. Ergo, mixed economy.

It&#39;s not a complicated premise.

[socialistfuture]

they are social democratic at best, capitalist, centre left - centre right - with an increasingly neoliberal aggenda.

europe is not socialist - it does not have equality - it does not have the masses ruling. looks at italy for a prime example of a neoliberal goverment.

[Not Yet a Commie]

[/QUOTE]
Don&#39;t blame the Soviet human wave attacks on us. Such a shame, retreating Russian troops getting gunned down by their own officers. Buy this is how it is under the Communist system. Human are unimportant and expendible, as long as the ruling party and system survive.


This is a very popular myth. I studied the Soviet Union history in post-"communist" Russia, and, although have been told by some folks it took place, I have yet to see the real documents - not just the opinions of historians - to support this. But even if this was true, it was more humane than destroying millions of civilians- yes, I am speaking about what the US did in Japan, and then in Vietnam and a number of other places.

Well at the begining of the war you were an ally of the Nazis. Not to mention we were treated as the enemy by you, and your spys were infiltrating labor unions, and trying to cause a Communist uprising. But just when your Nazi buddies stabbed you in the back, we became friends of the Soviet people again, and Stalin came crawling like the worm he is.

I know Poles are still hurt by the fact that their country was divided then. They still think of Russians as imperialists with no moral principles. They have that right, but not you. I hope you understand why. That pact was a difficult decision, but by invading Poland the Soviets gained the time, and lessened the impact on the Soviet lands, which in fact led to the liberation of the aforementioned Poland in the long run

This is BS, once the nazis attacked you and bombed your factories we were there to help you pick up the peices. Look into the lend lease act.

Well, THIS is BS. Once they attacked us, most of the major plants and factories were evacuated to yes, Siberia, the Urals area, and Kazakhstan. As for your "help"...

You say the US saved the Soviet Union... If you are right, it looks like the following analogy. You go along a river bank. You see a man drowning. He asks you for help. You say: Well it will cost you, say, &#036;10000. The man says: "OK, just get me out of here", but after a couple of minutes, before you get to him, he feels the ground. Thanks, he says. I don&#39;t need your thanks, you say. I need my MONEY&#33; And I want to be called your savior&#33;

This is disgusting.


What the hell are you rambling about? I know very well that Siberia is a humid mosquito infested marsh during the summer.

hehe Siberia is just too large to have one climat

Again refer to what i said above. It has been well documented that we built up your infrastructure, among other things like the lend lease act. Maybe you haven&#39;t seen one of these. Most of war machines would have been dumped in the trash long ago. You must have heard about this? Maybe you just don&#39;t want to listen, it must bring great shame to know that in your time of need the Capitalist pigs came to your aid, and not the Soviet peoples party.

Well, there was the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, one and only, I&#39;ve never heard of the Soviet Peoples Party. You, obviously, have hehe.
You have actually advised me to see one of these war machines, and now you suddenly recall that they must have been dumped in the trash.

If i can find any photos of the machines or generators i will post them here. Try searching around Siberia for some old General Electric generators that are still in use.

Can&#39;t do that at the moment, buddy, as I am now in China. I&#39;ll be back to Irkutsk next June, but anyway, do you still use General Electric generators back in the US? I am confident we don&#39;t.

Well guess what Comrade, my city also was a pre-emptive Nuclear target of the Freedom loving Soviet Socialist party. :rolleyes:

Scheduled attack... Right. :lol: They programed you well.

Well guess what Comrade, my city was a target before the Soviets created the nuke. It could have been destroyed just like Hiroshima. That is precisely why the Russian nuke was created- to strike back in case you caps decide to lay your hands on this part of the world.
As for programming, yes, I could probably be easily programmed. If I had been born in the US I would be saying what you are saying hehe.

Yes we want all the oil, nuke half the world, and get all the oil. Sounds like a great plan to me.

Exactly

Oh wait, the oil would radioactive in that part of the world. :(

Maybe that&#39;s why you haven&#39;t used it on Russia yet?



Are you also going to be greatful when some Chechen terroists get ahold of some of your many nukes laying around? :ph34r:

I think I watched this movie with Nicole Kidman - but don&#39;t forget it&#39;s fiction, not documentary. Don&#39;t let them fool you, buddy.

[socialistfuture]

this is why i love capitalism:

[Professor Moneybags]

How is having your country bombed good for the economy ?

[socialistfuture]

it is a comment on how capitalism is dependant on war - war is an industry - a buisness. it is also entertainemnt - people watch it on tv and buy george bush war dolls.

the USA is dependant on war - the economy would collapse witout it.

[Professor Moneybags]

it is a comment on how capitalism is dependant on war

Rubbish. Wars are started by those who initiate force against others and you haven&#39;t explained how having your country bombed is "good" for anyone.


- war is an industry - a buisness.

A business started by those who initiate force against others.


it is also entertainemnt - people watch it on tv and buy george bush war dolls.

This is so absurd it hardly warrants a comment.


the USA is dependant on war - the economy would collapse witout it.

Got evidence to back this up ? Or is this more hot air ?

[socialistfuture]

A business started by those who initiate force against others.
did vietnam attack america? did nicaragua attack america? did el salivdor attack america? did korea attack america? did afghanistan attack america? did iraq attack america? did cuba attack america? none of these countries have staged invasions on the american mainland - yet all have been attacked on their soil. they threaten america? - i think u will find it is america who threatens and follows through with the threats.


Rubbish. Wars are started by those who initiate force against others and you haven&#39;t explained how having your country bombed is "good" for anyone.

it is not good for your country to be bombed - it is good for america to bomb iraq because
a) they get oil
b) they scare other countries into following them
c) american companies make money with war supplies(tanks, ammunition, uniforms, catering etc must be supplied)
d) american people get contracts for rebuilding things they destroyed
e) the new puppet government is loyal to them
f) it makes new enemies fo the cycle can continue

the US govt profits of war, companies profit of war, the war industry is dependant on war - if there was none there would be no reason for the army, navy, air force, cia etc.

I gotta go for lunch

here is a site with more informative comics on the issue under a collection titled &#39;addicted to war&#39; tell me what u think.
http://www.addictedtowar.com/

[synthesis]

Originally posted by Professor [email protected] 4 2004, 02:56 AM
Get a clue. Next you&#39;re going to throw out the wonderfully enlightening phrase "Socialism=Evil because it initiates force" as if it actually carries weight on a leftist message board.

I&#39;ve realised it carries no weight here too.

...Until someone mentions the 100 million corpses (courtesy of the "initiation of force = necessary/good" doctrine), then begins the "...but that wasn&#39;t real communism" whitewash. Why the hypocracy ?
Without squabbling about the numbers, by any account on the topic that possesses an iota of reason, most of the deaths in Communist countries resulted from starvation, which is hardly an idiosyncratically Communist phenomenon.

To be more specific, the famines in China were a result of a lethal combination of self-interested bureaucracy at the lower levels and refusal on the part of a Soviet Union already on its road to capitalism to follow through with its promises of assistance with regards to industrialization.

As for Stalin, I think we all know that the myth of Stalin starving the uppity Ukranians is a little played out by this point. Again, an inept state apparatus was clearly at fault; people without the experience for the job of managing food distribution were allowed to decide the fate of millions of people, which again is unfortunate, but hardly genocide.

The only real bloodshed that could be said to result from the initiation of force in the sense that you mean it was in Cambodia, under Pol Pot. Yet Pol Pot believed in deurbanization and ethnic inferiority, which are both completely un-Marxist, not to mention the fact that the C.I.A. backed him repeatedly. Pol Pot was in opposition to everything Marxists stand for and have stood for, both historically and ideologically, and to associate any member of this board with him would be a flat-out lie.

[Professor Moneybags]

Without squabbling about the numbers, by any account on the topic that possesses an iota of reason, most of the deaths in Communist countries resulted from starvation, which is hardly an idiosyncratically Communist phenomenon.

A planned government famine, to force people into collectively owned farms is hardly a natural phenomenon.


To be more specific, the famines in China were a result of a lethal combination of self-interested bureaucracy at the lower levels and refusal on the part of a Soviet Union already on its road to capitalism to follow through with its promises of assistance with regards to industrialization.

It was an attempt to force people into collectively owned farms. The Soviet government even admitted to it.


As for Stalin, I think we all know that the myth of Stalin starving the uppity Ukranians is a little played out by this point. Again, an inept state apparatus was clearly at fault;

The "state apparatus" was at fault alright- it shouldn&#39;t have had control over food production and distribution in the first place.

Funny how we never saw this level of incompetence in the west, wasn&#39;t it ?

[dotcommie]

what a pointless thread, why exactly anyone come to a socialist board to say capitalism is great, unless your bourgoise which i doubt it can&#39;t be great?

Trapped working for money you shouldn&#39;t have to need, to eat and drink what covers 75% of the land really that is sad if you think it is ok.

I as a human being without the illusions of certain members on this board namely the idiots that support capitalism have a few problems with capitalism they are.

Land is not a commodity to be bought and sold the people should have there own land for free. how can you sell something which wasn&#39;t yours to sell?

Water you shouldn&#39;t have to pay for the most abundant think on this earth

Food its bad enough we have to work in a classed systems but making us starve aswell cheers

those three things should be the free right of every man/ woman in the country but instead people that had no more right than we sell it to us and make us work so yeah i LOVE capitalism too.

[Professor Moneybags]

Land is not a commodity to be bought and sold the people should have there own land for free. how can you sell something which wasn&#39;t yours to sell?

I hope you don&#39;t live in a house...


Water you shouldn&#39;t have to pay for the most abundant think on this earth

You don&#39;t have to- go and drink saltwater if you prefer, although it will kill you. The water that comes out of the tap has to be cleaned, purifies and pumped by people who have to be paid.


Food its bad enough we have to work in a classed systems but making us starve aswell cheers

Same as with water. Someone has to grow it, someone has to prepare it...


those three things should be the free right of every man/ woman in the country but instead people that had no more right than we sell it to us and make us work so yeah i LOVE capitalism too.

I&#39;m glad you do. It&#39;s a whole lot better than working as a slave to provide everyone with free food and water.

[socialistfuture]

yeah it takes work to get clean water in some areas - capitalist industries have polluted it, dam projects in places like India and China often destroy local water sources for people in those areas (the lucky ones who don&#39;t have their homes destroyed). Modern practices and global warming (caused partially by modern industry - cars, deforestation, factory pollution etc) are causing water sources to dry up or be polluted.

no one has a right to own water and food sources, we all have a right to drink water, eat food and have shelter. private property - backed up by laws, privatization, patents and modern - western - thinking goes against that right.

yes we live in homes now, doesn&#39;t meen we agree with private property. i have lived with my parents and friends - i dont know if i will ever &#39;own my own home&#39; in the capitalist sense because of the cost involved. also i believe in the right for anyone to live off the land together - like indigenous cultures have - be it native american indian tribes, maori, or other peoples. peoples homes get destroyed by developers who built giant cities and soulless suburbs - enviromental wastelands. they suck the countryside dry to feed the cities, harvest the forests, destroy the wildlife. there has got to be a better way than making most of life itself extint - so we can live in modern comfort and conveniance.

people are starving when there is plenty, homeless when there are empty homes and plenty of land, thirsty when there is water to spare - the waste and greed that runs modern society is sickning and embarissing - u can love capitalism but do u love its effects on the world?

[StarryPlough]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 12:19 AM
The Free market has got to be the best system on earth. I mean who would want to live in one of these Socialist nations where the unemployment is so high, along with their taxes.

And a Communist state, good lord, who on earth would want to be a piss poor drone, only living to serve some broken down crappy system, and oppressive ruling party.

But hey if you want to live your life as a serf, then go serve your lord and master. :D
your`re wrong, Sweeden has higher taxes than any other country in europe, but it also has lower unemployment than low income tax countries like ireland and the best Public healthcare, Dental care, and childcare services in the world.Ireland has more people living below the poverty line than in any other EU11 country, in sweeden poverty is almost non existent

[StarryPlough]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 12:19 AM
The Free market has got to be the best system on earth. I mean who would want to live in one of these Socialist nations where the unemployment is so high, along with their taxes.

And a Communist state, good lord, who on earth would want to be a piss poor drone, only living to serve some broken down crappy system, and oppressive ruling party.

But hey if you want to live your life as a serf, then go serve your lord and master. :D
your`re wrong, Sweeden has higher taxes than any other country in europe, but it also has lower unemployment than low income tax countries like ireland and the best Public healthcare, Dental care, and childcare services in the world.Ireland has more people living below the poverty line than in any other EU11 country, in sweeden poverty is almost non existent

[StarryPlough]

Originally posted by [email protected] 31 2004, 12:19 AM
The Free market has got to be the best system on earth. I mean who would want to live in one of these Socialist nations where the unemployment is so high, along with their taxes.

And a Communist state, good lord, who on earth would want to be a piss poor drone, only living to serve some broken down crappy system, and oppressive ruling party.

But hey if you want to live your life as a serf, then go serve your lord and master. :D
your`re wrong, Sweeden has higher taxes than any other country in europe, but it also has lower unemployment than low income tax countries like ireland and the best Public healthcare, Dental care, and childcare services in the world.Ireland has more people living below the poverty line than in any other EU11 country, in sweeden poverty is almost non existent