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EdwardJacobs
29th August 2004, 22:33
Well, this is a long story, so I suppose I should start at the begining.

My family never was what you would call financially secure, my father had a drinking problem and my mother commited suicide when I was rather young. I had a rather turbulent childhood, and I struggled through school, partly because of economic factors, and partly because I was never very bright. But I stuck it out and managed to do what no family member of mine had done yet, graduate highschool.

After I finished my schooling, the military seemed like the best option around at that point, so I enlisted in the army. Once I was in, I noticed alot of things. I was fitting in, I loved what I did, and I was good at it. I was in fact so good that I was able to pass the test, and become a member of a special forces unit. You would think the story would end there, but during the reign of Bush the first, I found myself deployed to Saudi Arabia.

I fought in that war, and several others. All in all I fought in 3 conflicts, both Iraq wars, and the fighting in Somalia. Yes, I killed people, at least 30 or 40. But what disturbed me the most was not that I killed people, being in the military in the United States, thats no shock, but I ENJOYED killing people. The feeling I got when the bullets started flying was like a drug, a very powerful drug.

But an event happened very recently that made me realize how much wrong I have done.

Three months ago, I was in Iraq, and I found myself talking to an Iraqi teacher, who spoke very good English, I would go so far as to say it was even better than mine, a native speaker. The conversation shifted to politics. I had always been apolitical, I follow orders, don't ask questions, you know, a good soldier. He identified himself as a Marxist, and while he was explaining his ideas to me, I saw a picture on his desk, and I recognised it. I asked him who it was and he said it was his son, who lost his life fighting Americans two weeks ago.

I knew that face, because I was the one that killed him. Suddenly, all this grief welled up inside me. At that moment, I realized that every person I had killed for my country, had a family. They had parents who missed them, brothers and sisters who wanted their sibling back, and I'm sure a few of them had children I personally orphined.

I snapped right then and there. The army psychologist diagnosed me with post traumatic stress disorder and I was put in leave, to go back to the states, and receive counceling. Just a few days ago, I worked up the courage to write to this teacher, and apologize for stealing his son away from him, and I was amazed at his reply. He told me that he didn't blame me, because I was just a working class man who had been used by the American ruling class as a weapon against the working class of other nations. He told me that the workers of the world had more in common than they did with the ruling class of their own countries. I was blindsided that he could forgive me like that.

In another email, he asked me if I would be interested in becoming politically active. I told him I would like nothing better, but I don't know enough about it. Suprisingly, he gave me the name of this site, and told me all I needed to know would be here. So here I am.

But I have a problem, I want to stop being a tool of the American government, but I can't leave the military just yet. Its the only job I ever had, and I have 4 hungry mouths to feed, and bills to pay. I know I should leave the army, but I am very close to retireing. In a few years, I will be able to leave with a full pension and complete benefits. But I also am nervous. If Bush gets re-elected, he could very well send me into battle again, and that's something I just couldn't handle. And worse yet, what if I went to battle, died, and I left my wife and children with no one to make sure they have a roof over their heads and food to eat, its a major problem.

So, what do you think? Should I stick it out to get my pension and retirement benefits, or should I request a conscientious objector status now?

-Edward Jacobs

cormacobear
29th August 2004, 23:05
that's a difficult decision you'll have to make. I'd say stick it out, Try applying for a transfer to a non-combative unit, supply-tech, logistics clerk, etc.. Given the recent medical history it seems unlikely that your request would be denied.
Besides you might want to pick up a slightly more marketable trade while you're still in.
Best of luck.

Post Script: You're not alone in your recent revelation. Micheal Moore is releasing a collection of lettters from the soldiers in Iraq, in the next couple of months. I've not seen it yet but understand that the contents of these letters is quite similair to your own story.

Comrade Latino
29th August 2004, 23:21
But what disturbed me the most was not that I killed people, being in the military in the United States, thats no shock, but I ENJOYED killing people. The feeling I got when the bullets started flying was like a drug, a very powerful drug.

I know that feeling. Before I was exiled from my country I fougth with the guerrilla forces. That feeling you get is because of all the adrenaline pumping through your body at the time of combat.

EdwardJacobs
29th August 2004, 23:23
Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 29 2004, 11:21 PM
I know that feeling. Before I was exiled from my country I fougth with the guerrilla forces. That feeling you get is because of all the adrenaline pumping through your body at the time of combat.
What country are you from?

socialistfuture
30th August 2004, 00:33
might I ask how old you are?
of course if u go off to a conlict there is a chance u might not make it back.
i would suggest u get in contact with other soilders/ex soilders who no longer agree with the fighting.

i met and interviewed an old ww2 vet here (new zealand) he said he was now a paciifist and fought politions and lawyers should be sent to the frontline. for a lot of ppl then they fought it would be an adventure, with free travel -
my grandad returned with shrapnel in his back and he was haunted by it - it changed him forever.

from now u choose ure life - no army tells u what to do. as to the pentions - if u dont have to kill to get them maybe wait it out - its up to u.

we become awakened at many different stages in life - be glad u have what u do.
all the best.

Comrade Latino
30th August 2004, 01:17
What country are you from?
Paraguay. Our revolution didn't last long because someone rat us out. I was lucky that day.

EdwardJacobs
30th August 2004, 01:19
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 12:33 AM
might I ask how old you are?
of course if u go off to a conlict there is a chance u might not make it back.
i would suggest u get in contact with other soilders/ex soilders who no longer agree with the fighting.

i met and interviewed an old ww2 vet here (new zealand) he said he was now a paciifist and fought politions and lawyers should be sent to the frontline. for a lot of ppl then they fought it would be an adventure, with free travel -
my grandad returned with shrapnel in his back and he was haunted by it - it changed him forever.

from now u choose ure life - no army tells u what to do. as to the pentions - if u dont have to kill to get them maybe wait it out - its up to u.

we become awakened at many different stages in life - be glad u have what u do.
all the best.
I'm 34, I've been in the army for 16 years. Four more and I can retire.

I'm afraid if I stay in chances are I would be one of the first sent into a new conflict. You see, I have 2 things that make me valuable, elite training and combat experience. Becoming a mechanic isn't really possible at this point, people like me can't really change units.

The fact that I'm a senior NCO with combat experience in 3 seperate conflicts and a special forces patch basically assures that if Bush decides he wants to invade another country I'll be one of the very first to go. And if I refuse to fight, well, there goes my pension and possibly even my honorable discharge. Because I am one of the higher ranked enlisted men, my pension would be fairly high, and assure I can support my family even if I don't find a job right away.

In terms of skills, I am my squad's weapon specialist, that means I can take apart re assemble and fix just about any gun in the world in record time, maybe I could find a job at a gun factory.

And also, I have to say, in terms of my fellow vets, I am basically alone as far as political thought is concerned. Most of them are pretty staunch right wingers, and I am worried if I started trying to tell my fellow soldiers about marxism they will report me, which very well could happen. At this point I am thinking I am going to sweat out my last 4 years, hope there isn't another war, then get out of the military.

-Edward Jacobs

socialistfuture
30th August 2004, 05:10
dont talk to veterans who dont share ure beliefs - i meant see if u can find any who are also dis-heartened at what is happening and disillussioned with the 'war against terrorism'
a weapons expert - u would do well fighting for us (jk). hope things work out for u.
good luck

BuyOurEverything
30th August 2004, 05:26
Would it be possible, if you were redeployed, to have another episode of PTSD?

ComradeIvan
30th August 2004, 05:59
Comrade, I know what you can do.
Is it possible for you to switch to a unit to train people back in America? Or some such? Get a desk job back in America where there is little chance of you going off to battle again?
Best of luck Comrade.

Hate Is Art
30th August 2004, 08:05
An interesting tale, my advice is stick it out, you have 16 years experience of not dieing in conflicts!! Thats pretty good!

socialistfuture
30th August 2004, 12:01
here is a picture of some veterns demonstrating - im sure they have left the army by this atge tho.

gaf
30th August 2004, 12:59
edward you are a man of consiousness.and you have to be proud of it
and you are not alone! do the best for your family and go out the army.you just don't need an other war and your clildren neither.i wish you good luck and don't go back to hell!

Palmares
30th August 2004, 13:18
An amazing story.

I'm intrigued about how that guy knew about this site. Does he come here?

In regards to your job in the military, as already pointed out, stick it out, but try for a non-combatant role. It will do you all the better.

Best of luck.

EdwardJacobs
30th August 2004, 19:56
Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 01:18 PM
An amazing story.

I'm intrigued about how that guy knew about this site. Does he come here?

In regards to your job in the military, as already pointed out, stick it out, but try for a non-combatant role. It will do you all the better.

Best of luck.
Actually, I asked him about it, and he wrote that he didn't post but used the site quite a bit to browse for information.

Right now, I am trying to get a transfer to be an instructor at the special forces school, but as you can imagine openings are few and far between. But I am a senior NCO, just the kind of person they want for the job, who knows, its quite possible I could get my wish. I just need to stick it out for 4 more years then my life is my own. But even still, if I had that job, I would just be teaching another generation of Americans how to kill just like I did. But I would like it better than doing the killing myself.

I've decided to use up all my saved up leave from my last tour in Iraq to get my life together and figure out just what I want to do after I get out.

Oh, and my name isn't really Edward Jacobs, could you imagine the kind of trouble I would get in if my commanding officer found out I was posting here?

refuse_resist
1st September 2004, 04:24
Welcome to Che Lives, and I'm glad to see a military person on this site who's interested in learning more about leftist and Marxist ideology.

che's long lost daughter
1st September 2004, 07:47
I never thought things like that could happen in real life but I guess, it did HAPPEN. I bow for you. I know it wasn't your fault to be the cause of those people's death. It is your job but I think, 4 more years in that kind of job, being in a war won't do you any good. And it is possible for PTSD to recur if you are exposed to the same situation again. Just follow what the wise Iraqi teacher told you and stop fighting other country's working class just for the sake of another country's ruling class. By the way, welcome.

MiniOswald
1st September 2004, 08:23
First off mate, uve got some serious balls for bein able to turn round and say everything u have. especially to write that letter as well, i salute you for that my friend. Its definatly good to hear that you're trying so hard to make things right, im ifinatly impressed.
As for the pensions its a tough call, life could be alot harder if you dont get them, especially considering you have a family to take care of, personally I hope you can find that job training back in the states.

good luck