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Thomas
29th August 2004, 11:59
The true ideals and aims of communism are pure and fair to all involved, unfortunately the greedy and vicious nature of man cannot truly follow communism as the aims would be corrupted. Communism is not robbing form the rich to give to the poor although it does have some similarities.

The basic principle is that surplus items (e.g. Farm produce, Wood etc.) that the current owner will not require (please note that not require means he has no use for, not that it is not a nessecity) can be taken by the government and instead of being wasted can be givensold to the poeple who needs the items as a nessecity. Although selling materials to lower class people seems harsh it means that taxes would be lower and there would be an overall benefit to the people.

The idea of Cominform was invented by Stalin. He was a man who used communism to fuel his own aims, rather than a way to repair an already damaged Soviet UnionRussia. Cominform is what you see in James Bond style films based on Russia, this is what has led many people to believe that communism is evil. There are many people who feel that Cuba is financially and economically crippled due to communism and Fidel Castro, however the real reason for this is the Americans, they imposed an embargo on Cube during the cold war and have refused to lift it unless Cuba renounces Communism. This would be an admissal of weakness by Cuba and Castro knows that to give in to the Americans in such a way would Americanise Cube and would destroy Cuba's independance and its beliefs.

I will admit that Communism can be forceful and take away some of the peoples rights but this is not always a bad thing.

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It's more of a "clear-the-air" about Communism though :P

gaf
29th August 2004, 12:37
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 11:59 AM
The true ideals and aims of communism are pure and fair to all involved, unfortunately the greedy and vicious nature of man cannot truly follow communism as the aims would be corrupted. Communism is not robbing form the rich to give to the poor although it does have some similarities.

The basic principle is that surplus items (e.g. Farm produce, Wood etc.) that the current owner will not require (please note that not require means he has no use for, not that it is not a nessecity) can be taken by the government and instead of being wasted can be givensold to the poeple who needs the items as a nessecity. Although selling materials to lower class people seems harsh it means that taxes would be lower and there would be an overall benefit to the people.

The idea of Cominform was invented by Stalin. He was a man who used communism to fuel his own aims, rather than a way to repair an already damaged Soviet UnionRussia. Cominform is what you see in James Bond style films based on Russia, this is what has led many people to believe that communism is evil. There are many people who feel that Cuba is financially and economically crippled due to communism and Fidel Castro, however the real reason for this is the Americans, they imposed an embargo on Cube during the cold war and have refused to lift it unless Cuba renounces Communism. This would be an admissal of weakness by Cuba and Castro knows that to give in to the Americans in such a way would Americanise Cube and would destroy Cuba's independance and its beliefs.

I will admit that Communism can be forceful and take away some of the peoples rights but this is not always a bad thing.

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It's more of a "clear-the-air" about Communism though :P
porte nin ouaq

The Feral Underclass
29th August 2004, 14:04
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 01:59 PM
unfortunately the greedy and vicious nature of man cannot truly follow communism as the aims would be corrupted.
What proof do you have that the "nature" of humans is greedy and vicious?


The basic principle is that surplus items (e.g. Farm produce, Wood etc.) that the current owner will not require (please note that not require means he has no use for, not that it is not a nessecity) can be taken by the government and instead of being wasted can be givensold to the poeple who needs the items as a nessecity.

Economic production in a communist society would be based on Marx's maxim "From each according to ability, to each according to need." This means that people would work the amount of necessary and would take back from society what they needed. Produce would be produced for free and would be taken for free.


Although selling materials to lower class people seems harsh it means that taxes would be lower and there would be an overall benefit to the people.

I think your confusing communism with something else. I certainly hope by the time we have achieved communism class will not exist anymore. And I certainly hope we will have no need for taxes.


The idea of Cominform was invented by Stalin.

Cominform?


There are many people who feel that Cuba is financially and economically crippled due to communism

Cuba isn't a communist country.


I will admit that Communism can be forceful and take away some of the peoples rights but this is not always a bad thing.

If communism is taking away peoples rights, it isn't communism.

redstar2000
29th August 2004, 15:51
Cominform?

That's an abbreviation of COMmunist INFORMation Bureau...established by the USSR after World War II as a kind of "soft" replacement for the Communist (3rd) International (Comintern) which had been dissolved in 1943 as a concession to the USSR's allies.

American communists followed eagerly, dissolving the Communist Party U.S.A. and creating in its place the "Communist Political Association".

It's understood that these name changes were like what we would now call "new brand images"...actual political behavior did not change.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

gaf
29th August 2004, 16:01
Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 03:51 PM

That's an abbreviation of COMmunist INFORMation Bureau...established by the USSR after World War II as a kind of "soft" replacement for the Communist (3rd) International (Comintern) which had been dissolved in 1943 as a concession to the USSR's allies.

American communists followed eagerly, dissolving the Communist Party U.S.A. and creating in its place the "Communist Political Association".

It's understood that these name changes were like what we would now call "new brand images"...actual political behavior did not change.

:redstar2000:
the brand for the new millenium

they started with it let it spread :P

Djehuti
29th August 2004, 16:15
The true ideals and aims of communism are pure and fair to all involved, unfortunately the greedy and vicious nature of man cannot truly follow communism as the aims would be corrupted.

The human nature might be egoistic, but greed is just one form of egoism.
Egoism can take many forms, even the form of altruism. All concious acts are the act of the ego really. But i see no problem here, communism is not in conflict with egoism, rather the opposite. Communism is in my intrest, to be a communism is an act of selfintrest for me. Communism is no moral filantropic be "kind and give money to the poor", liberal shit.


The basic principle is that surplus items (e.g. Farm produce, Wood etc.) that the current owner will not require (please note that not require means he has no use for, not that it is not a nessecity) can be taken by the government and instead of being wasted can be givensold to the poeple who needs the items as a nessecity. Although selling materials to lower class people seems harsh it means that taxes would be lower and there would be an overall benefit to the people.

No, that has nothing to do with communism.