my 72nd post - and my last one...

[Blasphemy]

when i joined these forums i expected to meet some descent, intelligent people who i can debate with like a mature person. the fact is that i was quite disappointed...

you are all filled with so much hate and anger. you hate so many people for nothing. i'm being hated for stealing people's land, although i'm only 15, and the only thing i ever stole was my friend's cigarretes so he won't smoke....

you rather accuse than to find solutions. you like to attack other people, but do not spare a single minute to observe yourself. you put little tags on people and don't ever bother to take a closer look. when someone shouts out 'peace', all you hear is 'war'. you find it impossible to tolerate anything that is a little different from yourself. instead of approaching an issue open-mindedly, you discard everything that doesn't coincide with you views and nazi and evil.

communism talks about peace, while you are advocates of war....i hope you enjoying having all this rage inside of you. i have lost friends in wars, and i have no hate... it saddens me to see people who have such hate towards innocent people.

i hope that one day you will open you eyes and see something other than rage. peace on you.

[DaNatural]

Blasphemy if u cant take the heat get out the kitchen my friend. The solution is easy take your tanks out of palestine. Destroy the settlements which your supposed peaceful people have erected. Let the refugees return. Im sorry if you feel that you cannot tolerate the degree of anger on this forum but the topic u specifically speak of is one that has gotten out of control and is due in part to your own people. I didn't see any of them protesting the building of settlements. Nor did they have a problem paying mortages and leases on them. Like i said get the hell out of palestine and be happy with the pre 67 borders. The jews dont even deserve that much but the international community is willing to give you that much, so be thankful for that.

[Xenoth]

You have right Blasphemy.
i see here only nationalists except some comrades.
Everybody, who has mouth, talks about anything without knowledge. Who did search anything about Palestine or Israel and the history of this lands?? What is the history of war??? Nobody think about it.
*A child could say me "Shut up" and don't give me any chance to tell my country and my history myself. Where is Respect? where is my Speaking right?
If you don't know about something, you must be in silent and listen his or her opinion. Search about speech. And then answer him or her, if you want to learn true...
We are SOCIALISTS. Our Religion is Science. we can't be uneducated.
You are the people who will rule future, my comrades.
We must learn to listen each other.
We must feel respect to anybody whose opinions are not even liked by us.

[vox]

I don't blame you, Blasphemy. The amount of Jew-hating I see going on here is disgusting.

I, personally, do not believe that there are any "good guys" in the Mideast conflict. It's funny to me that the US Left often criticizes the US mainstream and right-wing for oversimplifying things, but here, I believe, the Left is guilty of just that.

Maybe those Isreali wrestlers were really Agents of Imperialism. Somehow, I doubt it.

vox

[Vertigo]

[quote]Quote: from vox on 10:26 pm on May 16, 2002
I don't blame you, Blasphemy. The amount of Jew-hating I see going on here is disgusting.[quote]

It's not Jew-hating, it's Jews' militar policy-hating.

[Xvall]

Blashpemy,
Just because someone does not like a government you support does NOT mean that they are hateful. For crying out loud, Marx was Jewish. It would be unreasonable for most communists on this website to 'hate' jews. People do not like Israel because their government often bulldozes houses, and kills innocent civilians. It doesn't matter who 'started it'. There is no excuse for killing random people , that goes for both sides. Just like in the same way I 'hate' America, which happens to be the country I live in, because their government constantly lies and bombs other countries schools and hospitals. Shooting a ten year old is NOT a shout for 'peace'. Indeed, many people here should check 'their side'. But so should you...

- Drake Dracoli

[Blasphemy]

did you even read any of my other posts?

okay, so this will be my last one...

[RedRevolutionary87]

jeez blasphemy, no1 is attacking you, at least im not, i attacked some of your ideas, but thats all debating is...i hope you stay and maybe could contribute some more...

[ZaPaTiStA SoCiAlIsTa]

Am i a nazi because i dont agree with what the isreali state does at times? although i dont agree with many palestinian tactics??? Nazi is a word used way to liberaly.

[death b4 dishonour]

Just leave. There are other jewish members here and they stay to support their opinions and religion while you just give up, so I don't feel that we need you here.

[guerrillaradio]

I have to agree with Blasphemy and Vox to a point. Over the last couple of weeks, there's been an influx of Stalinists and anti-Semitism. I'm sorry Blasphemy, I'm anti-Zionist but pro-Semitic (is that a word??). This forum has gone downhill slightly...

[Reuben]

im with gr.

[El Che]

Either leave, or stay and defend your lies. Either way I couldn`t care less.

[CheGuevara]

That's an interesting kind of communist, one with an ethnic bias. That's just great.

[deimos]

i think blasphemy is right in some points.Its simply stupid to hate someone who is 15 for stealing others land.Its not his fault!I think that there are some people(guys like stalinsoldier) who hate every jew becasue they think its "evil".They are confusing zionism with jewism.

[BananaKing]

Formal resignation is a sign of weakness and defeat, Blasphemy said his final arguments without wanting to hear any responses. How sad :biggrin:

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[j]

Banana King-where's the american flag on your little warning sticker????

blasph-don't take things so personally. I don't think anyone hates you--they disagree but don't hate. (shit, how can you hate someone you only know from posts on a fuckin website?)

disagreeing with the Israeli government and hating Jews are two different things.

And you said rage? Fuckin hell yeah there's a lot of rage here. If you aren't full of rage and anger at the current state of the world than you probably have no business here. Yeah I'm fuckin mad and I'm gonna swear too, I don't care. I'm mad that there's a homeless guy that has to sleep on my backporch from time to time because the government has fucked him. I'm mad that my government exploits the rest of the world on my so-called behalf. I'm mad that a select few have so much control over so many. Yeah, I'm full of rage. How could I not?

j

[BOZG]

If we weren't full of fuckin rage we wouldn't get anywhere. We would all just continue working as slaves under the capitalist system.

[BananaKing]

Quote: from j on 12:26 am on May 18, 2002
Banana King-where's the american flag on your little warning sticker????


My signature is from another messege board, which is filled with neo-fascists, "objectivists" (capitalists), as well as your kinds of socialists / communists. I am none of them. :biggrin:

[BOZG]

What board is that BananaKing? Is it any good?

[BananaKing]

www.thelyceum.org

It used to be Freedom Forums, and ThePhora. It was spammed to death, and finally is back up after a few weeks of down time.

Notice: it is ran by neo-nazis.

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[Fabi]

i can understand Blasphemy....
i dont remember who it was, but there were people who were being total idiots even after he had repeated for the ****th time that he was against israel's politics and was a peace activist and said he was FOR peace and not WAR......

i might be wrong, but i think it is often that patriotic people generalize about people of other nationalities because they are so used to identifying themselves with their country that they think everybody else is doing it, too..... what do you think?

[Blasphemy]

okay, some i'm back.... this post was suppose to be an experiment...

don't hold me accountable for what people said 50 or a hundred years ago. don't blame me for what Begin did or said or what Ben Gurion did or said. i have never met these people and we are not best friends.

but i know one thing. i was born in israel and i grew up, and still growing, in israel. this place is my home. maybe there was once an arab village in my town (there wasn't, but let's assume there was), i will not leave my home just because someone else lived here 50 years ago. it doesn't seem right to me. of course it's not right for them also, but it's impossible that the two of us would live here.... so don't blame me for something that i didn't do.

so if someone would come up to me and ask me "hey, Roey, what do you think has to be done in order to stop the war between israel and the palestinians, which cost the lives of 13,000 people since 1948?" i would tell him the following:

1. israel must withdraw from the A territories immediately.

2. all the jewish settlements, including the large ones and the one in Hebron, must be dismanteld and the settlers must go back home to israel.

3. reforms in the palestinian authority must take place. the authority has to be democratized and elections must be held. the palestinian intelligence service must be rehabilitated so they can once again try and prevent terrorists from invading israel.

4. after a new president is elected by the palestinians, the two sides must meet to draw a border between israel and palestine. the palestinian state will be in the west bank and in the gaza strip. the palestinians will get arab neighborhoods in east jerusalem and a soverneigty in 3 quarters of the old city and the temple mount (not including the western wall).

5. after the map is drawn, israel must withdraw from the B territories as well.

6. the palestinian president will declare independance.

7. israel will give palestine financial help so they can build the state's infrastructure. until that is done, israel will help the palestinians with water, electricity, and the like.

the palestinians will have to revoke their demand for the right of return because although it is the most just thing to do, israel will not be able to accept it.

these are 7 steps which are not that difficult to implement. so why isn't anyone implementing them? because sharon is a war criminal who cannot lead a peace process and because arafat is a madman who no one can negotiate with. replace the governments, and a peace process could begin.

peace out.

[j]

BK-What is that forum you posted? I went there but had trouble navigating it and it seemed full of racism and hate.

I find that quite a few people in this community frequent sites that are racist. Is there a reason for this?

j

[Dhul Fiqar]

Blasphemy:

Thanks a lot for engaging in a psychological experiment with us to satisfy your curiosity, or was it just a little kid's hissy fit to get some attention and/or be a martyr for the "downtrodden" posters who can't even make a decent argument?

Either way, you sure made me happy with this topic, and then bummed me out by taking it all back, so I'm in an uncharacteristically bad mood at the moment.

Many of your views make me sick to my stomache, so I choose to not participate in policital discussions with you in the future, I'm sure the feeling is mutual, let's leave it at that.

--- G. Raven

[Blasphemy]

wow, i definetly didn't expect this...

[Derar]

Ok , i kind of accept ur apology in ur other post .
but hey , this is ur 83rd post , 83-72 = 11 , which means u posted 11 more posts than u promised !!

[El Che]

"the palestinians will have to revoke their demand for the right of return because although it is the most just thing to do, israel will not be able to accept it."

Oh isreal wont be able to accept it... I see. Well fuck Isreal and fuck you too, no man can accept what you propose and walk with his head up there after. The only option palestinians have is to die fighting because thats the only option you give them. Its was the same with east timor and countless other places. Blasphemy if you really want peace you should know that the first thing Isreal must to is acknowledge the crimes it has commited. Only after that is done can you even begin to talk about "peace". Your peace is lie and an insult to the memory of all those who died fighting for palestine.

[Blasphemy]

derar, after posting the post, i went around posted in other threads...

el che, is there anything that can please you? these seven phases are necessary for a just peace in the area. i acknowledge the fact that the refugees deserve to go back to their homes, but that's impossible. i'm talking practical now, not theoratical.

the left in israel does not deny that the state has commited many crimes. we are aware of the fact that the israeli-arabs suffer from discrimination in a country that's suppose to be democratic. we are aware of the fact that the jewish settlements in the territories are a crime. we are aware of the fact that israel has commited many inhuman crimes against the palestinian people during the 35 years during which it occupied the territories. you don't have to teach me about it. but do not mislead yourself. the so called "martyrs" who blow themselves up in the heart of tel aviv do not promote the palestinian cause in anyway. i support the palestinian struggle because it is a just one, and i do whatever i can to support them from israel. but suicide bombers are a disgrace to every struggle for freedom, including the palestinian one. killing innocent people is a crime, wether it is done by tanks and fighter jets or by suicide bombing.

i hope that the animosity between us will come to an end, because we all eventually want the same thing - a just peace between the israelis and the palestinians.

[BOZG]

I had a feeling that you were not a racist that you have been portrayed as by certain members. I think your 7 step plan is a very good idea.


BK-What is that forum you posted? I went there but had trouble navigating it and it seemed full of racism and hate.

I find that quite a few people in this community frequent sites that are racist. Is there a reason for this?

The people who do visit these boards are not racists but they go to see what ignorance the right-wing nazis spit on these boards and to argue them back.

[Blasphemy]

thank you.

[Hattori Hanzo]

Their certainly are alot of people filled with rage on this site

[peaccenicked]

Arafat 25/5/2002 from speech
"In this regard, we have lately declared, and we declare it today, that we reject the operations that target the Israeli civilians as well as what the Palestinian civilians are exposed to as has happened in Jenin or in “Jeningrad”. Palestine and Arab public opinion have arrived to this conviction, that these operations do not serve our aims. Indeed they incite many and big segments of the international community against us, an international community that has created Israel and provided it with money, arms and protection which is controversial. I call upon your esteemed Council to stop at this dangerous issue which is controversial in our Palestinian and Arab arena. Let us remember the Houdaibiyya Conciliation Accord out of our concern for the national and pan-Arab interest of our people and nation, and out of our concern for strengthening international solidarity with your people and your cause. I call, as well, upon your Council to sponsor a comprehensive in-depth national dialogue on all our political issues which are of precedence to our national, pan-Arab and international concerns, the quintessence of which is the consolidation and pivotization of our national struggle, in all its forms, in order to realize our people’s dream of establishing the independent State of Palestine, with Holy Jerusalem as its capital, on our land, occupied in 1967, as was decided by our PNC at the declaration of Independence and establishment of the Independent State in its meeting in Algiers in 1988."