suburban white kids

[truthaddict11]

can someone explain to me why being from the suburbs and being white, as I am, seems to make certain communist and leftist organizations and by the capitalists including this board think less of you? I have lived in both a city and suburbs in my life I fail to see why being from either should really matter about how you choose your personal politics.

[Y2A]

It's not that I feel that you can't be a "communist" and from a middle class/upper class neighborhood. What I do feel is that sometimes those same people that claim to be "defending" minorities are condecending. And also, the vast majority of the time they are just "rebeling" against their parents and trying to fit the urban minority stereotype.

[DRS]

yeah, you can belive in the ideals of communism, and say its what you want.

but have you ever really " struggled " which us working class have to do everyday, wanting something better for ourselfs, whereas, if you have money, your more likely to see communism as a threat to your money.

Which your not, but people preffer to see people who are in it because it gives them a strongger case

[truthaddict11]

how am i middle class if i come from the suburbs? I certainly dont consider myself that, nor do i for the majority of my friends. How is a communist from the city different from one who grows up in the suburbs? couldnt that kid( from the city) be "rebeling against his parents". When I got into leftist politics I wasnt even living with my parents anymore.

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 07:46 PM
yeah, you can belive in the ideals of communism, and say its what you want.

but have you ever really " struggled " which us working class have to do everyday, wanting something better for ourselfs, whereas, if you have money, your more likely to see communism as a threat to your money.

Which your not, but people preffer to see people who are in it because it gives them a strongger case
you dont think that people in suburbs are members of the working class? I work 50-60 hours a week in a resteraunt and get shitty pay. i know people who have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to get by people in the fucking suburbs. dont tell me that we dont struggle either.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 12:52 AM
you dont think that people in suburbs are members of the working class? I work 50-60 hours a week in a resteraunt and get shitty pay. i know people who have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to get by people in the fucking suburbs. dont tell me that we dont struggle either.
I agree. But you don't live in a neighborhood with high crime rates, daily see drug addicts, and go to underfunded schools due to the basis of those funds being property taxes.

[truthaddict11]

whats your point? that living in an area filled with lowlifes and drugs gives you a better reason for being a communist/leftist?

[DRS]

we arnt saying it is, but yeah, you can say your working class.

but truly, you have no idea. What they call the"ghetto" yeah, we work, but we work literaally to survive, i mean that in the most literally terms, whereas others work so they can be "independant" ad buy their own stuff.

[Red Skyscraper]

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[Y2A]

And thus the attacks on me begin. Why do I even bother trying to be civil?

[The New Yorker]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 12:34 AM
can someone explain to me why being from the suburbs and being white, as I am, seems to make certain communist and leftist organizations and by the capitalists including this board think less of you? I have lived in both a city and suburbs in my life I fail to see why being from either should really matter about how you choose your personal politics.

*points* see i told you.

in the future there will be a thread called

"college students who are communist from rich familys"

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 12:46 AM
how am i middle class if i come from the suburbs? I certainly dont consider myself that, nor do i for the majority of my friends. How is a communist from the city different from one who grows up in the suburbs? couldnt that kid( from the city) be "rebeling against his parents". When I got into leftist politics I wasnt even living with my parents anymore.
Actually even if you are miles in the hole, and from the dirtiest part of the South Bronx, by world standards, you are middle class. Just because of the country you live in :o .

If you are from the suburbs, and you can afford to keep shoes on your feet, you are upper middle class.

However in either case, it does not mean that there is any garanteed stability. And by no stretch of the imagination should you let it get you happy.

"I know more well-dressed poor people than I do wealthy ones" - Braintax

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

You are not middle class just by the country you live in. If you don't even have a cent and you're sleeping in a refridgerator box you're not middle class just because your an american. It just means that a vast majority of americans have better living conditions and more money than the rest of the world, not that there's no such thing as an american living in poverty.

[Latin American Socialist]

Being a suburban middle class kid isn't bad. Che Guevara, was a middle class white kid, (not american white but latin white) and we all consider him one of the best communists in the world. And a white suburban middle class kid is stereotypically made as a snobby selfish capitalist spoiled kid. A mexican is portrayed as a taco eating robber, a black man is portrayed as a druggy killer. Its just some stereotype judgemental retards who say all white middle class people are capitalist.

[Latin American Socialist]

yeah, you can belive in the ideals of communism, and say its what you want.

but have you ever really " struggled " which us working class have to do everyday, wanting something better for ourselfs, whereas, if you have money, your more likely to see communism as a threat to your money.

Which your not, but people preffer to see people who are in it because it gives them a strongger case

Che was a white middle class kid, he had a good life. Che had money. And che is a real communist, he is probably everybody heres favorite communist.

[Latin American Socialist]

I agree. But you don't live in a neighborhood with high crime rates, daily see drug addicts, and go to underfunded schools due to the basis of those funds being property taxes.

Shit, thats what makes you a true communist? My cousin, uncle, grandpa have been killed by the fucking tijuana cartel narcotic capitalists. My school had elementary to middle school in one class with 2 teachers. My neighborhood was full of narcotics. Shit, if thats what a communists life is like, i am a true communist. :)

[Bourgeoisie]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 12:34 AM
can someone explain to me why being from the suburbs and being white, as I am, seems to make certain communist and leftist organizations and by the capitalists including this board think less of you? I have lived in both a city and suburbs in my life I fail to see why being from either should really matter about how you choose your personal politics.
Because your background would suggest that you are Bourgeoisie. Who cares what they think, be proud of who you are. You don't need to run with that crowd of losers anyways. Why be another drone? :rolleyes:

[Exploited Class]

Evidently by the logic of many in this thread,

You can't know cancer is a horrible disease without first having it.

[DRS]

Originally posted by Exploited [email protected] 30 2004, 12:36 AM
Evidently by the logic of many in this thread,

You can't know cancer is a horrible disease without first having it.
exactly! very good analogy

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by The wise old [email protected] 29 2004, 10:26 PM
You are not middle class just by the country you live in. If you don't even have a cent and you're sleeping in a refridgerator box you're not middle class just because your an american. It just means that a vast majority of americans have better living conditions and more money than the rest of the world, not that there's no such thing as an american living in poverty.
Actually, even in the Bronx they have infastructure, albiet not well maintained, but they do have running water, and concrete structures to hide under. This unfortunateley places them in a better position than many people outside the western world.

[synthesis]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 07:14 PM
Actually, even in the Bronx they have infastructure, albiet not well maintained, but they do have running water, and concrete structures to hide under. This unfortunateley places them in a better position than many people outside the western world.
That means little. Class is defined by the relationship to the society's means of producting capital, not objective living standards. Someone who must sell their labor power to survive is a proletarian whether they live in Japan or Thailand. Someone who exploits the labor of the proletarian is a bourgeois whether they live in Argentina or Peru. Finally, pertinent to your example, someone who comes from a proletarian background but uses illegal or 'grey' means to survive outside the established capitalist system will be a lumpenproletarian whether they live in the South Bronx or in the City of God.

[truthaddict11]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 04:48 PM
Actually even if you are miles in the hole, and from the dirtiest part of the South Bronx, by world standards, you are middle class. Just because of the country you live in :o .

If you are from the suburbs, and you can afford to keep shoes on your feet, you are upper middle class.
gee how is making 12,000 a year upper middle class?

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 08:22 PM
gee how is making 12,000 a year upper middle class?
Yes!!!



In 1907

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 07:14 PM
Actually, even in the Bronx they have infastructure, albiet not well maintained, but they do have running water, and concrete structures to hide under. This unfortunateley places them in a better position than many people outside the western world.
You don't judge your social or economical standing with the whole world by a case by case standing. Your mind will not be able to compute the 4.3 Billion computations required to figure out this sliding scale of mass class standings of individuals. You have two, those that control the means and those exploited by the means.

There can be a ruling class that has absolutely nothing that I have. They may only have control of the local well and that is it. However, they still control it and through that control, control all of those that require its use to survive. They might charge for it, request labor for it, it doesn't matter because they control it and the people that need it are exploited for its use. Even though they don't have cable TV, nice bed, healthcare or perhaps even a house, they are still the ruling class in that socio-economic example. They have more power than I have and yet have less than I do, minus they control the means.

That is why the white kid in a suburb is just as exploited as the people wanting water and being exploited to obtain it. They both do not control the means.

Quality of life has no place in splitting up and factioning the exploited of the world.

[YKTMX]

I don't have a problem with middle class people embracing socialist politics, but, what I do hate is when "middle class" comrades try to tell me what working class people are "interested in".

For example, when recently trying to organise an anti-war meeting in our area (a working class area) comrades (mainly middle class) said "oh, working class people aren't interested in the war". Firstly, how the hell would they know? And secondly, why the hell can't they be interested in the war? Can't they draw the same conclusions that "we" do and ask the same questions we do, like how come there's no money for the firefighters or welfare but when it comes to money for bombs there's an endless supply?

:) As you can tell, I needed to get that off my chest.

It is also a fact that there is a tendency among middle class teenagers to "be radical" for a few years before they grow up and get a job in the civil service.

[DRS]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 12:58 PM
It is also a fact that there is a tendency among middle class teenagers to "be radical" for a few years before they grow up and get a job in the civil service.
Very true, they go to "uni" smoke some pot and take a deverse look on life just to annoy " mummy " and "daddy" not saying that all of em are like that, but you know what i mean

[Y2A]

I hate those people. They just read a book one night and decide to "become a communist".

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 06:34 PM
I hate those people. They just read a book one night and decide to "become a communist".
yeah and you just spend monney and become capitalist
but you right"bible for everybody" this is how it works

[wet blanket]

I was a suburban white kid, until I got out of high school. Now I'm a poor white kid living in an apartment with a roommate and working to pay my way through college.
I never really got serious about leftist or Marxist thought until I actually became a part of the working class and had to support myself, one of those growing up things.

Kids are kids, you really can't blame them for the social status of who gave birth to them. All that really matters is what they actually do when they're adults with an education and on their own. I hate to be so condescending, but most kids don't know shit about life(especially those of the suburban white variety). The best thing they could possibly do if they're interested in Marxism or Anarchism is to shut up and read. Questioning things is OK, but nobody likes a little dipshit who makes a bunch of radical assertions and can't explain themselves when people call him on it.

[fernando]

Originally posted by The New [email protected] 29 2004, 03:11 AM

*points* see i told you.

in the future there will be a thread called

"college students who are communist from rich familys"
Didnt you call Bill Clinton a communist once ;)

They who came up with the concept communism was sort of a rich kid himself too ;)

These things happen because in our society only the rich can study

[Nas]

Mao Zedong and Malcom X said that the hope for the future is in the youth

thats why i dont think is wrong for white suburban kids to be communists because sooner or later they will find out the true meaning of this revolution and they will make a choice to either go with it or leave it (this is what sepearates the wanabes from the true recolutionaries)

[Eastside Revolt]

Originally posted by Exploited [email protected] 30 2004, 04:41 AM
You don't judge your social or economical standing with the whole world by a case by case standing. Your mind will not be able to compute the 4.3 Billion computations required to figure out this sliding scale of mass class standings of individuals. You have two, those that control the means and those exploited by the means.

There can be a ruling class that has absolutely nothing that I have. They may only have control of the local well and that is it. However, they still control it and through that control, control all of those that require its use to survive. They might charge for it, request labor for it, it doesn't matter because they control it and the people that need it are exploited for its use. Even though they don't have cable TV, nice bed, healthcare or perhaps even a house, they are still the ruling class in that socio-economic example. They have more power than I have and yet have less than I do, minus they control the means.

That is why the white kid in a suburb is just as exploited as the people wanting water and being exploited to obtain it. They both do not control the means.

Quality of life has no place in splitting up and factioning the exploited of the world.
I never said that those who are upper middle class, are not also working class. That's why I posted that quote from Braintax. I'm a lazy bastard, I didn't explain my point very well.

What I was trying to do is more to point out the futillity of judging a person by middle, upper, lower class. I myself am "upper middle class" yet education is way too expensive even for me. This is sort of the point I was trying to make.

[Danton]

Originally posted by Exploited [email protected] 30 2004, 04:41 AM
That is why the white kid in a suburb is just as exploited as the people wanting water and being exploited to obtain it. They both do not control the means.


The white kid in suburbia may not control the means of production but in comparison with the exploited third world peoples and the mainly city dwelling underclasses - he knows no overt oppression.

The more oppressed an individual the truer his protests ring. Middle class Intellectuals have many times before hijacked working class movements, attempted to "educate" the peasant masses to use as tools for their own machinations. There is though much merit in the materially well-off recognizing injustice and striving to undo it, some of these people are genuine and others who may aswell be Goths or buddhists - the lifestyle leftists.

In the end it doesn't matter where your coming from, it's what you do to address the injustices all around you, white surburban kids have the tools to make real differences.

[Y2A]

White suburban kids of the world, unite!

[Wenty]

'the rich do not know hunger' - fidel.

[captain anarchy]

i came out of a suberb in munster full of white kids who think there shit don't stink. it is annoying. i like living in places where people aren't full of them self. the suberb kids fall apart if they don't get all they want. i can care less i am ok with even sleeping under bridges i don't care for fancy stuff much i like simple stuff.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Red [email protected] 29 2004, 01:30 AM

I live in a suburb with high crime rates, heavy drug and prostitute trafficking, and the worst school in the district. I can barely afford food and have to work my ass off. What's your point?




Then you don't actually live in what we traditionally refer to as "suburbs".

You live in an economically disadvantaged area on the outskirts of your given metropolitain area.

[commie kg]

I'm also from the "suburbs", and I can tell you that there's a unique set of problems that goes along with living there.

First of all, most people in the suburbs aren't capitalists (considering you have to exploit wage labor to actually be a capitalist). Most people in the suburbs don't own all these fancy thigs they have, their kids will be stuck with the bill when they die. My family can't even afford to heat our home, and we're living in the suburbs. The "middle class" are a revolutionary class, without them a revolution can never get off the ground here. You can be "middle class" and "working class" at the same time. after all, middle class people still work for a living, don't they? I don't know any suburbanites that sit on their ass all day and still make a killing. Most of them slave away in some shithole cubicle somewhere staring at a spreadsheet all day long. That's just as bad as working in a factory.

So before you dismiss the middle class as bourgeois, stop to think for a minute.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 30 2004, 01:14 AM
Actually, even in the Bronx they have infastructure, albiet not well maintained, but they do have running water, and concrete structures to hide under.
Great, the fact that we are sounding optimistic that "at least the ghetto has concrete structures to hide under" is pretty damn desperate. By world standards the fact that they are "middle class" is shit. Poor is poor, dont be illuded.

[Raisa]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 11:34 PM
I have lived in both a city and suburbs in my life I fail to see why being from either should really matter about how you choose your personal politics.
The better you have it in life, the more of a CHOICE of personal politics it is to care. The worse you have it the more it is just a realization about your own life.

People who live in the suburbs are workers too though alot of the time.
Single they are two poor people, but combining their incomes they can buy a home and struggle to pay for it together.
Im not gonna hate if someone who has had a nice life the whole time decides to be supportive of working people and all. I apreiciate that because they had a choice to be ignorant or to care, and choosing to care is pretty solid by my standard.
Thank you.

[Pete]

I"ve never lived in a suburban region. Right now I am on the edge of the city proper, beyond my 'area' are the suburbs. At the same time I have never lived in an inner city, only a small town and urban parts of a city. I'm white, and in my experience I have been treated negatively for it too often. Once is too often. (The last time I posted here consistant ended because a debate around affirmative action was getting to personal for my likings.) But, who cares where you are from. Why make the one many?

[Danton]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 01:13 AM
I'm white, and in my experience I have been treated negatively for it too often.
:lol: You have had countless benefits bestowed upon you because your white at the expense of those who are not.

[Hiero]

What i dont get why do people think the poorer people are more revolutionary. The lumpen proleteriat are the poorest, yet they are not revolutionay. Infact they are counter revolutiony. In countries the ruling class through a third party pay for poor people to be recurited in their milita to fight the workers army. They accept payment and join, why? they have no class interest, they only want to better themeselves, but not in the same way of the proleteriat. The proleteriat are the ones who fight for power, the lumpen proleteriat fight for money (an example is the right wing ETA in Colombia that fight agaisnt FARC. The ETA pay poor people to fight in their militia, the ETA is backed by capitalist.)

So dont just think that if you poor are progressive, Dyemaker said it best your class is defined "Class is defined by the relationship to the society's means of producting capital, not objective living standards". Rich capitalist nations through imperialism can bribe the wroking class, they get benefits through imperialis. Engels noted this but it was through Colonilism, Lenin noted it through imperilism.

So everyone can stop telling us about what economic situation they are in no one cares.

[Anti-Capitalist1]

Wasn't Che Guevara the Argentinian counter-part to the Ameircan midddle class white kid?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 06:46 AM
:lol: You have had countless benefits bestowed upon you because your white at the expense of those who are not.
Oh, please...

This reminds me of the Eddie Murphy bit on Saturday Night Live.

LOL, "countless benefits"...

Jeez, get serious

:lol:

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

Then why is it that much fewer black Americans become financially successful? And why is it that one out of every three back Americans go to jail at least once in their lives?

Surely it has nothing to do with their race.
So obviously there is a bias in American society.

[Palmares]

Let us not even think about the voting rights of African-Americans in Florida compared to Caucasians in Florida. Ex-cons not being allowed to vote isn't really a racist law... :rolleyes:

[Danton]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 27 2004, 09:25 PM
Jeez, get serious


Ok, I'm serious and don't call me Jeez. Tell me then how whites have'nt benefited at the expense of minorities in America starting with the Native Indians right through to this minute...

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 28 2004, 02:13 AM
Let us not even think about the voting rights of African-Americans in Florida compared to Caucasians in Florida. Ex-cons not being allowed to vote isn't really a racist law... :rolleyes:
No, it's not.

That law has been in effect long before blacks comprised the largest proportion of prisoners.

Legitimatre African American voters were not taken of the rolls in Florida, that has always been a fabrication.

[Dr. Rosenpenis]

So you concede that there's a racial bias in American society? Answer the post, CI.


That law has been in effect long before blacks comprised the largest proportion of prisoners.

It's racist because it's just one more of the many factors that help to weaken the black community and strengthen the white power structure.

What the original intent of the law was or what the law is supposed to accomplish isn't as relevant as what it results in. And that is the furthering of the marginalization of blacks in America.

[gaf]

if you all see each other as white and black and yellow and red and........then i really feel pitty for you all....and i just feel green and from mars


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