Socrate's fascism

[ComradeRed]

OK, i have a question, according to the Republic, socrates believes in class struggle. However, how can he be a marxist if this is true (from mussolini)
Fascism [is] the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

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[Pete]

"socrates belives in the class struggle"

I don't belive you. Support yourself.

[The Feral Underclass]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 08:03 AM
However, how can he be a marxist if this is true (from mussolini)
But it isn't true. Mussolini makes wild assertions without any evidence. Marx spent decades coming to the conclusions he came to through hard work, study and deep fucking analysis of every aspect of capitalist society and history. Mussolini just asserts what is fact and expects everyone to agree with him.

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Socrates believed in class struggle? Where do you people get this stuff from, Socrates cared about concepts like justice or what piety means etc. not what the proles needed or anything like it.

Why we need to look back at pre-modern philosophers and assess thier communist tendencies is beyond me.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 11:08 AM


Why we need to look back at pre-modern philosophers and assess thier communist tendencies is beyond me.
that's what it is. just beyond your time
but looking back is good ,if you can learn from it
but yeah socrates was a philosophe and mussolini an idiot

[ComradeRed]

Socrates on class struggle:
You ought to speak of other States in the plural number; not one of them is a city, but many cities, as they say in the game. For indeed any city, however small, is in fact divided into two, one the city of the poor, the other of the rich; these are at war with one another; and in either there are many smaller divisions, and you would be altogether beside the mark if you treated them all as a single State. But if you deal with them as many, and give the wealth or power or persons of the one to the others, you will always have a great many friends and not many enemies. And your State, while the wise order which has now been prescribed continues to prevail in her, will be the greatest of States, I do not mean to say in reputation or appearance, but in deed and truth, though she number not more than a thousand defenders. A single State which is her equal you will hardly find, either among Hellenes or barbarians, though many that appear to be as great and many times greater. The Athenians were the first to believe in class struggle.

[Monty Cantsin]

which book was that from? the republic?

[ComradeRed]

Yeah, Republic IV

[Hate Is Art]

my friend vomited on Socrates grave whilst dressed like a tiger.