Why do people hate Jews?

[Major. Rudiger]

Im not a racist or a anti semitest?
For a couple of years im trying to figure why do people hate JEWS?
I need some help here please help me!

[DarkAngel]

I don't know either, but I think its because (atleast in hitlers case) they were the supperior race or something...

[commiecrusader]

i dont hate them but some reasons are as i understand it:

1)some have darker skin hence the same reason many afro caribbeans etc are discriminated against

2)they were viewed as 'puppetmasters' in many regimes particularly nazi germany, due to the large (compared to their total population) numbers of jews that are in the upper classes of society.

3)the jewish race as it were has no 'native country' so to speak. whereas say buddhism comes from japan (i think, but religion isnt my strong point) the jewish faith has no real claim to any country, hence the problems between palestinians and israelis in the middle east. israel was taken from palestine (i think or the other way round i dont know which is the jews and which is the other) to make a place for jews to call home following wwII, which kicked the whole middle east thing off. hence before and since then jews have been viewed as parasites who invade foreign countries and then take all the best jobs.

i repeat THESE ARE NOT MY VIEWS THEY ARE SIMPLY THE VIEWS OF SOME ANTI-JEWISH RACISTS AS I PERCEIVE THEM
i do not want any warning points for this post please.

[YKTMX]

Why do people "hate" disabled people or Irish people or Black people or Muslim people? As with any sort of racism or bigotry, it's completely irrational.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 06:15 PM
Why do people "hate" disabled people or Irish people or Black people or Muslim people? As with any sort of racism or bigotry, it's completely irrational.
yes it is. but some people need hate to give a reason to their crazyness, and some people just follow....
ah poor world!!!!

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Jews are hated becuase they are successful, most anti-semites admit this and have no problem admitting it. The problem is that Jews have a tendency to get a lot of important positions whatever country they go to, for example the neo-cons in the U.S. now.

Also for Marxism due to Marx's born Jewishness and obviously Trotsky.

They have also always been persucuted due to the fact that they are viewed as mercenary in their business ventures, thus creating the whole Jews are rip off merchants ideas.

I've been looking into this at the Phora for a while, just ask Fade why he hates the Jews and you will get an intelligent albeit rascist answer.

In fact they use the tern racialist, which means they dont hate Jews but want to see societies where there is one group of people together etc. The Jews are blamed due to their overwhelming position in the media as supporting diversity to an overbearing weight.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 06:25 PM
Jews are hated becuase they are successful,
hence succesful pleaseeeee
do you mean that the other one are jalous?or frustrated? please hence
i don't hate people just what they stand for .please hence succesfull

[Pedro Alonso Lopez]

Both, they breed ressentiment.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 06:35 PM
Both, they breed ressentiment.
with "both" i think you mean jew and succes
strange i just thought they were people try to survive/live


good book is ib'n batouta travels he was a traveller (arabe) back in the 13th century you've got the same question about this "strange world" where people need to confine themself(categorie)
for me is zionisme the same as faschisme and stalinisme...nothing to do whith succes
and people who are jalous will do the same.
no hate . or you will harvest it against yourself. nothing to do with jew .all to do with people

[Raisa]

Some christians get mad at them becuase the jews don't except Jesus Christ as the messiah. Some people feel like its the jews fault jesus died. There are alot of stupid " reasons" why people hate jews.

[monkeydust]

It's hard to understand traditional anti-semitism from our contemporary standpoint, within multicultural and ethnically diverse countries.

But if we look back 200, 100, or even just 50 years ago, traditional nations (a nation being a group with some cultural homogeneity) very much coincided with states. By and large, in England, people were "English", in Germany they were "German", the same goes for nearly all European states; immigrants, slaves aside, were quite rare.

The Jews, being traiditionally landless, were always dispersed in these countries, always felt to be somewhat alien amongst groups with strong nationalistic bonds. The fact that many Jews kept to themselves never helped matters. Neither did the fact that much of Europe was still devoutly Christian, often blaming the Jews for Christ's death.

Moreover, and as Geist rightly said, Jews tended to be quite successful in their jobs, they were often very hard working many ammasing large amounts of money, and in turn much resentment operating as money lenders and in finance. There was definately some feeling that (comparable to what some in Britain say today about immigrants) Jews were "stealing" the wealth of the countries that they inhabited.

Amidst this, many native people tended blame all their problems, however odd it may seem, on the Jews. It seems that through many generations Jews became distanced and hated throughout Catholic Europe.

Don't forget that anti-semitism was never just a German phenomenon, it was prevalent in many other areas, particularly Russia and Poland.


EDIT: I think this really belongs in History.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 07:50 PM


Don't forget that anti-semitism was never just a German phenomenon, it was prevalent in many other areas, particularly Russia and Poland.



agree

[herr_Nosferatu]

What's even more shocking is that people nowadays "try", although unsucessfully, to hide their deep anti-semitism in a facade of anti-zionism...

Although it is adequate to criticize Israel's policies, as with any democratic country, because, like every country on earth, Israel has its faults... The plight of palestinians has been going on for too long and by the way its still going, will never be solved... Any idiot with enough conscience with foreign affairs will admit this.

Unfortunately, with most of this going on, people tend to put all jews in the same boat as people who support the tragedy in the territories, which is NOT the case.

The fact that this occurs, the land grabs and such, helps fuel contemporary anti-semitism. If you look into the neighboring counrtries, Egypt more omniously, a profoundly strong anti-semitism is being taught to children, in school books....

An authentic example : "There are seven jews in front of you, if you kill three, how many are there left ?".... (Palestinian Authority school books)

And when time goes on, adults are still fueled with this same hatred.

One of these contemporary anti-semitisms is with the infamous and widely denounced broadcasting of a tv mini-series adaptation of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion on Egyptian television.

A fiery conspiracy blaming jews of the most hainous acts written and distributed by Tsarist Russsian authorities, The Protocols, which for example depicts christian children's blood being consumed by jews for their feast on passover, was played repeatedly at about the same time the second Intifada started...

I feel it's hard to understand anti-semitism on any standpoint, be it on the contemporary one, on the one where 6 million of them were murdered, or at the time of the middle ages where they were isolated, mocked and feared.

If arabs need someone to blame for their misery, Britain, in my humble opinion deserves much much much more severe looking at, for they are the ones who were irresponsible at leaving jews and arabs to figure out a way to live side-by-side in that region, in 1948.....

I was, and still am, utterly disgusted at all these cemetery defecations, all these fires being made throughout Europe on jewish institutions, and one (in a children's school for fuck's sake !!!!!!) which happened a bit too close for comfort here in Canada about five months ago. No one, in any race, religion or social group should undergo such hardships, even if the policies of a few powerful idiots conflict with others...

Give peace a chance...

[DaCuBaN]

What's even more shocking is that people nowadays "try", although unsucessfully, to hide their deep anti-semitism in a facade of anti-zionism...


Be careful on this one: I instantly dislike anyone who by choice gives themselves a nationality or religion...

[Major. Rudiger]

well thanx for replaying to my thread and i learn some bit in this one page but....



Don't forget that anti-semitism was never just a German phenomenon, it was prevalent in many other areas, particularly Russia and Poland.

I dont know where your getting your infromation (and i hate doing this but i have too) Poland was very renowned by bringing in other people in there countery. That if you go to Poland and you can see other cultures in the Poliah cutlure. But still after the holocasut the numbers went down. But there are still some jews in Poland. But there are alot of jeepshes (spelling <_< ). But it doesnt mean if there was a death camp in Poland, then it dosnt mean we hate jews. IT was built by the Nazi germans. But there might&#39;ve been some polish people working there becsaue they didnt want to die. But what can you do that was a samll hand full.

But in the meadivel times England banshed them of the countery because they were Jews. BUt they could&#39;ve stade there if they conferted into christanty. So England was way more racost then the Polish if you are going to talk about history.


oh yeah on more thing

Be careful on this one: I instantly dislike anyone who by choice gives themselves a nationality or religion...
-DaCuBaN

WEll i guess your going to hate me then Dacuban I am Canadain and Poliah and i proud about that. So fuck you wanker. In culding i am reigious

[DaCuBaN]

WEll i guess your going to hate me then Dacuban I am Canadain and Poliah and i proud about that. So fuck you wanker. In culding i am reigious

:o Temper :lol:

Are you &#39;proud&#39; to be of a certain nation, or is it just a matter of circumstance...

I&#39;m technically Scottish and Catholic (although I denounced my faith years ago), but as far as I&#39;m concerned it&#39;s just a name. Why create walls between people where they need not exist?

[MikeyBoy]

Anti-semitism results from thinking of things in a racial and not class context.
The Jews in europe practiced usury, which is charging rent for money. Now it is called loan interest. They would make money by living off their wealth; i.e. they were capitalists in the definition of the word. Christians were forbidden from practicing usury as it was a sin. This is why Edward Longshanks expelled many Jews from England. This instilled a sense of resentment for Jews. From a non-religious viewpoint, usury is still bad. Interest creates money from thin air and separates money from its purpose as an expression of material value. This is a bourgeois practice that everyone should oppose. In modern times the Jews formed the Zionist movement, which is a disgusting political movement centered upon racism and national-chauvinism. The Zionists had the opportunity to save fellow Jews during the holocaust but they chose not to, because they would have had to bribe nazi officials, and they weren&#39;t willing to spend money on anything but establishing their own political sphere. Does this mean all Jews are bad? No. Does this mean Jews should be discriminated against? No. It DOES mean that we need to recognize the bad things done by capitalists in the Jewish community. Too often the bourgeoisie use generalizations to get the people to turn against a scapegoat. What people have to recognize is not that the Jewish people are by nature bad, but the CAPITALISTS are bad. The capitalist Jews are the same ones that let their brothers be slaughtered by Nazis, the same ones that were bankers, the same ones that earned money off the sweat of the peoples labor. Only when we identify the bad Jews as capitalists do we gain full understanding. So many tragedies have occured due to misunderstanding the situation :/


In conclusion...don&#39;t be anti-jewish...be anti-capitalist.

[monkeydust]

I dont know where your getting your infromation (and i hate doing this but i have too) Poland was very renowned by bringing in other people in there countery. That if you go to Poland and you can see other cultures in the Poliah cutlure. But still after the holocasut the numbers went down. But there are still some jews in Poland. But there are alot of jeepshes (spelling ). But it doesnt mean if there was a death camp in Poland, then it dosnt mean we hate jews. IT was built by the Nazi germans. But there might&#39;ve been some polish people working there becsaue they didnt want to die. But what can you do that was a samll hand full.


Yes, yes, Poland may be quite tolerant now.

Yet in the 19th century, when I think it was technically part of Russia it was very anti-semitic indeed.

I suppose, however, that I could have cited England as an example for anti-semitism with equal justification.

[Monty Cantsin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 25 2004, 08:48 PM

An authentic example : "There are seven jews in front of you, if you kill three, how many are there left ?".... (Palestinian Authority school books)

where did you fine this ?

[Jexster]

My understanding of it is that it origniated in Christian Europe. Being of a different religion made it illegal to own property in many early european coutries so they became merchants and developed alot of Jewish community support. Since Babylon Jews have also placed alot of cultural importance on being able to read (the torah) while the power structure of the church made it in the best interest of the christians to keep the majority unable to read. So Jews have a history of being more educated and a merchant class. Once the economy switched from feudalism to mercantilism the educated jewish merchant class who had a great displaced comunity network around Europe made alot of money. They also were able to loan out money for interest and made fortunes doing this. This inspired alot of resentment among poor uneducated christians who were told by the educated clergy that it was the jews not the clergy who were responsible for their poverty.
Im not positive about all of that but its my general understanding of the historical reasons for it.

[herr_Nosferatu]

Be careful on this one: I instantly dislike anyone who by choice gives themselves a nationality or religion...


I&#39;m a non-practicing, agnostic catholic... I apologize for the Canadian thing, I too hate locations and the nationalistic notion, I was distracted somewhat when I wrote the text and forgot to pay a special attention to it, as I may have done in the past too....



where did you fine this ?

Somewhere in the Anti-Defamation league&#39;s website... In 2001, or sometime earlier in 2000. I may have fictionized the exact numbers just to show the principle of the larger picture of those teaching methods...

[redstar2000]

Anti-semitism -- hatred of the Jews as such -- is of Christian origins...see particularly the last-written of the "gospels" according to "John".

The Jews were "the murderers of the Christ" in the eyes of pious Christians for more than a thousand years.

And were frequently persecuted as such; more than one of the crusader armies on their way to "liberate the holy land" practiced along the way by murdering substantial numbers of European Jews.

And when Jerusalem fell to the Christians, they murdered all the Jews.

Of all the peoples in "Christendom", the Jews were "stiff-necked" and "obstinate"...they refused to accept "Jesus" as the "Messiah".

And they were punished for it. They didn&#39;t set out to be "money-lenders"...it was one of the few professions legally open to them. As a rule, Jews were not permitted to own land, be soldiers, and were usually only permitted to be wholesalers, not retailers.

The word "ghetto", by the way, comes from the name of that walled-off part of a city where Jews were legally permitted to live; at sundown on each day, all Jews had to be inside the walls of the ghetto or face arrest, imprisonment, and even torture.

It is true that some Christian countries welcomed Jewish refugees...but only for a while. This is true of Poland, for example.

It is not very well known, but modern Poland (from 1919) was both quasi-fascist and anti-semitic. It seems hard to believe, but Poland even while it was under Soviet military occupation nevertheless managed at least one pogrom (a murderous riot directed against Jews) in 1946&#33;

While Catholics have been the worst anti-semites, both Protestants and Russian Orthodox have "done their part". Martin Luther, the founder of "Lutheranism" was a vicious anti-semite who urged that the Jews be despoiled and expelled from Germany. The Russian Orthodox Church convinced the Russian Czars to keep nearly all Jews confined within a "pale of settlement"...the far west of Russia. Pogroms there were a regular occurrence.

The idea of Jews as a "parasite race" comes from the 19th century...and was considered "scientific justification" for anti-semitism. This was the poisonous well that Hitler (a lapsed Catholic) drank from when he was a homeless ex-student in Vienna.

In short, there are no rational reasons for anti-semitism: it is based on Christian hatred and 19th century pseudo-science...two of the more common strands of reaction to this day.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[Subversive Pessimist]

Well, I&#39;ve read some writings like the Talmud, and I can say that I am negative when it comes to the Jewish religion. However, I do not have anything against jews, although I am often sceptical, like I always am when it comes to religious people.

The thing is, however, that many people are paranoid that everyone hates jews just because they hate Israel and its policy, just like Americans think that the world hates Americans just because we disagree or hate the culture and policy of the US.

[ylayali]

most of the people i have met who hate jews do so because of religion.some christians think that "the jews" killed jesus.personally i dont think it makes any sense but bigotry never does.

[YKTMX]

The Jews were "the murderers of the Christ" in the eyes of pious Christians for more than a thousand years.



This part of anti-semitism has always baffled me. According to the Christian faith, Jesus "sacrificed" himself for the forgiveness of all sins. Now, if it is the will of god that he should be killed as a sacrifice then quite how the "Jews" could be blamed for his death is unclear.

[commiecrusader]

Also for Marxism due to Marx&#39;s born Jewishness and obviously Trotsky.

i thought trotsky was hated partly because he was jewish, not the other way round. religion had been banned and yet trotsky was jewish, so people hated him? im probably wrong though lol

[DaCuBaN]

This part of anti-semitism has always baffled me. According to the Christian faith, Jesus "sacrificed" himself for the forgiveness of all sins. Now, if it is the will of god that he should be killed as a sacrifice then quite how the "Jews" could be blamed for his death is unclear.

It&#39;s not that: They believe that he died for them (the jews) and christians are appalled that people don&#39;t accept this and kiss his ass as a result.

They&#39; affronted by it. Or at least those who I&#39;ve managed to get into that deep a conversation about it are. Admittedly, they&#39;ve all seemed quite partisan...

[kickmydog32]

I was watching a british tv program called &#39;tarrant on tv&#39; where funny or extreme adverts/tv programs from arround the world were compiled in one program. i saw an exerpt from jerry springer where a rednecked funamentalist christian family were being interviewd under the heading &#39;racist kids.&#39; springer said to the girl (about 14/15) what makes you better than jewish people? and she replied (like some robot) &#39;chapter whatever; verse whatever; the jews shall be marked at the 2nd coming&#39; or somthing like that. basicaly she was saying all jews will be killed at the 2nd coming and thats why she distances herself from her. (this part is irrelavent but i&#39;ll put it in anyway because i liked it: jerry springer [always the calm mediator] really laid into the father and had to be seperated by security guards)
is this the reason fundamentalist christian hate the jews and could anybody clarify on that exarpt from the bible the girl quoted?
Thanks

[commiecrusader]

Originally posted by [email protected] 27 2004, 05:27 PM
the jews shall be marked at the 2nd coming&#39; or somthing like that.
i dont know the exact quote either but i went to a christian primary school and if i remember correctly, the belief is that at some stage in the future, jesus will be reborn, i think this is the second coming referred to. i think that when this happens, christians believe that all &#39;non-believers&#39; of the christian faith will go to hell, and earth will turn back into paradise before adam and eve fucked it up. basically its all probably bullshit lol but i think thats what they believe, if my memory serves me correctly.

[PRC-UTE]

I was going to lay out the historical explanation, but it&#39;s already been done.

I would just add that it&#39;s not an ordinary bigotry but one that has lasted for some time and one of the most insidious forms that often raises its ugly head.

Still, I wouldn&#39;t trust what the Anti-defemation League says about Palestinian schoolbooks.

[pandora]

A lot of it started in Spain, my heritage is Sephardic so I know the story.
the Northern Iberian Pen. was inhabited by a tribal people with little technology during the time of the Romans.
The Romans were very harsh to the Jews and forced them from Isreal, somany went North with the Moors with conquering armies to sedate Conquistador style the Penn. same as the Spanish later did.
The Moors and Jews were going North not just for land, but to open mining speculation. The Moors had the mining tech. and acabus, the Jews had the libraries and writing. Together they ruled Spain for a thousand years.
It was an Enlightened Age and is why Spain became a world power due to the technology and libraries and government system that the Moors and Jews brought with them, think Holy Toledo and the Mystics, Greco, and fine art metalogy, plus the loans to begin the Spanish Armada from the Jewish banking system.
The Jews started becoming more and more esoteric studying deeper and deeper ideas in metalogy and physics, think the philophophers stone, it became thought that these early "scientists" were witches along with the mystics they inspired.
Enter the Crusades and the Inquistion.
One prob, is the royals owed the Jews for the Spanish Armada, also much was taken for the Crusades, and they didnt feel like repaying. By todays standards the interest was very very low.
The Moors and Jews were forced back to the Muslim world, most fleeing to Morocco and Turkey, some to Mexico.
But Turkey benefited from them and used their skills to help piracy. So in a sense the Spanish Armada got it right back the hard way.
But many of the advances in chemistry, mediation, and sciences were lost.