Caring sharing comrades.

[The New Yorker]

Caring sharing comrades.

Maybe you would like to remember the comrades in Vietnam who put their people in concentration camps and were responsible for untold misery / genocide long before America ever got there (the price of "progress" and "social justice" of course). The 60 million+ killed by socialism in China since 1949. The 30 million in Russia, people so afraid they would inform on their own friends and families (and there's been no trials for those who committed these acts). Or what about Cuba under Castro. The current state of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Venezuela under Marxist tyrants. Or is this not *real* Marxism? There always seems to be an outlandish excuse from spineless western Marxists for this legacy of misery and bloodshed.


Civilization is indeed in dangerous decline but it's because of people like Russia and their constant scheming, people like Michael Moore and Komrade Klintoon, the people who want to kill tradition and replace it with a nonsense and the price we pay when we find out that radical reforms and social engineering in the name of progress don't work.

I'm not the biggest fan of capitalism, but show me an alternative protective strata for western civilization (not that there's much of that left). History cannot just be erased at the click of the finger. "The good man" is not just going to come out of the shadows if only your comrades have their world revolution. Mankind is simply not capable of instant reshaping and improvement.

Seriously, you have no credability when you say things like that. Communists are gifted and experienced liars who are not in the least motivated by love and compassion, and being young and impressionable you seem to have fallen for it. When you are at an age where you can understand human nature you will see communism for the sham it is.

-= JT =-

JT makes a good argument commies. ( JT is no politician just a friend of mine)

[Y2A]

Originally posted by The New [email protected] 23 2004, 02:30 AM
The current state of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Venezuela under Marxist tyrants.
Hugo Chavez was democratically elected, twice. "Tyrant", gives off the implication that he is a dictator, which he is not. And no, I am not a "marxist", but I do believe in democracy and Chavez was democratically elected. Get over it.

[Guest1]

Hold up a sec, South Africa's also got a democratically elected leadership. Where the fuck do you get off calling them tyrants too? Or is that cause you'd rather see the whites take over again? As for Marxism, not one of those three countries even claims to be Marxist. Venezuela is the only one I can see moving in that direction.

[New Tolerance]

Caring sharing comrades.

Maybe you would like to remember the comrades in Vietnam who put their people in concentration camps and were responsible for untold misery / genocide long before America ever got there (the price of "progress" and "social justice" of course). The 60 million+ killed by socialism in China since 1949. The 30 million in Russia, people so afraid they would inform on their own friends and families (and there's been no trials for those who committed these acts). Or what about Cuba under Castro. The current state of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Venezuela under Marxist tyrants. Or is this not *real* Marxism? There always seems to be an outlandish excuse from spineless western Marxists for this legacy of misery and bloodshed.


Civilization is indeed in dangerous decline but it's because of people like Russia and their constant scheming, people like Michael Moore and Komrade Klintoon, the people who want to kill tradition and replace it with a nonsense and the price we pay when we find out that radical reforms and social engineering in the name of progress don't work.

I'm not the biggest fan of capitalism, but show me an alternative protective strata for western civilization (not that there's much of that left). History cannot just be erased at the click of the finger. "The good man" is not just going to come out of the shadows if only your comrades have their world revolution. Mankind is simply not capable of instant reshaping and improvement.

Seriously, you have no credability when you say things like that. Communists are gifted and experienced liars who are not in the least motivated by love and compassion, and being young and impressionable you seem to have fallen for it. When you are at an age where you can understand human nature you will see communism for the sham it is.

-= JT =-

JT makes a good argument commies. ( JT is no politician just a friend of mine)

Here we go again, when will the capitalists switch their strategies from trying to associate us with people that we do not necassarily support to actually attacking us on more technical grounds like economics or sociology?

[Y2A]

Possibly because you don't have a "ground on economics and sociology". I see people go around with avatars of Lenin, then go on and say "I don support the creation of the Soviet Union". See people defend the Communist reguime in Afganistan, and defend the Soviet Union for keeping them in power, then later say the Soviet Union did not represent what they believe. etc.....

[New Tolerance]

Possibly because you don't have a "ground on economics and sociology".

We definately do. You can attack us by attacking one of the following: welfare, high tax, public industries, the question of free will, the question of human nature etc etc... (with logic and well sited evidence attached of course)


I see people go around with avatars of Lenin, then go on and say "I don support the creation of the Soviet Union". See people defend the Communist reguime in Afganistan, and defend the Soviet Union for keeping them in power, then later say the Soviet Union did not represent what they believe. etc.....

All that means it that they may lack creativity with their avatars. :D (there are few other symbols that supposedly represent "communism", you don't have to like John Kerry to post posters of him [if your main focus is to get Bush out])

I also saw some people with avatars of Joseph McCarthy saying that socialism is needed to eliminate proverty.

[Don't Change Your Name]

Originally posted by The New [email protected] 23 2004, 02:30 AM
Caring sharing comrades.
?


The 60 million+ killed by socialism in China since 1949.

Sure, as "socialism" (an "idea") can pick up a machine gun and start shooting people :rolleyes:

Now I see why people believe any mythological tradition that they parents impose to them.


The current state of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Venezuela under Marxist tyrants.

Chaves is not a Marxist and not too "tyrant".


Or is this not *real* Marxism?

Obviously not


Civilization is indeed in dangerous decline but it's because of people like Russia and their constant scheming,

People like Russia?????


people like Michael Moore and Komrade Klintoon,

Sure, I love "Komrade Klintoon", whoever he is... :rolleyes:


the people who want to kill tradition and replace it with a nonsense

Tradition must be killed because THAT is nonsense


and the price we pay when we find out that radical reforms and social engineering in the name of progress don't work.

blah blah blah. Of course, religion, laws and authorities are not "social engineering" :rolleyes:


I'm not the biggest fan of capitalism, but show me an alternative protective strata for western civilization (not that there's much of that left).

Why can't people think for themselves about this?


Seriously, you have no credability when you say things like that. Communists are gifted and experienced liars who are not in the least motivated by love and compassion, and being young and impressionable you seem to have fallen for it.

Tell that to redstar2000


When you are at an age where you can understand human nature you will see communism for the sham it is.

A shitty argument. "I claim to be older than you, therefore I can claim I am wiser than you, and since you are younger, you are stupid and your argument doesn't count, even if I'm the one who doesnt make sense". Ridiculous.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Maybe you would like to remember the comrades in Vietnam who put their people in concentration camps and were responsible for untold misery / genocide long before America ever got there

Provide some empirical evidence that shows "conentration camps" that were filled with something other than the former ruling class.


The 60 million+ killed by socialism in China since 1949. The 30 million in Russia, people so afraid they would inform on their own friends and families (and there's been no trials for those who committed these acts).

Lie.


There always seems to be an outlandish excuse from spineless western Marxists for this legacy of misery and bloodshed.

Yet there is no "outlandish escuse" from spineless western bourgoisie for theor own legacy of misery and bloodshed.

We must have forgotten, the yanquis do not have to excuse their atrocities to anyone right?


Civilization is indeed in dangerous decline but it's because of people like Russia and their constant scheming, people like Michael Moore and Komrade Klintoon, the people who want to kill tradition and replace it with a nonsense and the price we pay when we find out that radical reforms and social engineering in the name of progress don't work.



You must be unfamiliar with capitalist economics. Capitalism is in a dangerous decline due to the lack of third world labor to exploit. Without lowering variable capital costs to near pennies, profit cannot be extracted. Period.

Your time is getting nearer and nearer with every market you exploit and subsequently aid them ecomomically into the first world.



I'm not the biggest fan of capitalism, but show me an alternative protective strata for western civilization (not that there's much of that left). History cannot just be erased at the click of the finger. "The good man" is not just going to come out of the shadows if only your comrades have their world revolution. Mankind is simply not capable of instant reshaping and improvement.


Yes, it takes time and it is time that we have a lot of.



Seriously, you have no credability when you say things like that. Communists are gifted and experienced liars who are not in the least motivated by love and compassion,

Lie.


When you are at an age where you can understand human nature you will see communism for the sham it is.


I understand human nature to a degree you will never be able to reach.

You are just not smart enough.

[redstar2000]

JT makes a good argument commies.

If JT's incoherent rant is what you consider "a good argument", then you will be perpetually disappointed in this board.

Consider...


When you are at an age where you can understand human nature you will see communism for the sham it is.

Well, I am 62; how much longer do I have to live to "understand human nature"?

There is, by the way, very little in the way of scientific understanding of "human nature" or even if there is such a thing.

JT is speaking of his "nature"...a very different matter indeed.

From the sample you offer, I gather he has the disposition of a hard-shelled crab and an intellect to match.

I'm glad he's your friend and not mine.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by The New [email protected] 22 2004, 08:30 PM
Caring sharing comrades.

Maybe you would like to remember the comrades in Vietnam who put their people in concentration camps and were responsible for untold misery / genocide long before America ever got there (the price of "progress" and "social justice" of course). The 60 million+ killed by socialism in China since 1949. The 30 million in Russia, people so afraid they would inform on their own friends and families (and there's been no trials for those who committed these acts). Or what about Cuba under Castro. The current state of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Venezuela under Marxist tyrants. Or is this not *real* Marxism? There always seems to be an outlandish excuse from spineless western Marxists for this legacy of misery and bloodshed.


Civilization is indeed in dangerous decline but it's because of people like Russia and their constant scheming, people like Michael Moore and Komrade Klintoon, the people who want to kill tradition and replace it with a nonsense and the price we pay when we find out that radical reforms and social engineering in the name of progress don't work.

I'm not the biggest fan of capitalism, but show me an alternative protective strata for western civilization (not that there's much of that left). History cannot just be erased at the click of the finger. "The good man" is not just going to come out of the shadows if only your comrades have their world revolution. Mankind is simply not capable of instant reshaping and improvement.

Seriously, you have no credability when you say things like that. Communists are gifted and experienced liars who are not in the least motivated by love and compassion, and being young and impressionable you seem to have fallen for it. When you are at an age where you can understand human nature you will see communism for the sham it is.

-= JT =-

JT makes a good argument commies. ( JT is no politician just a friend of mine)
It would have been interesting to see what a nation that is moving toward communism COULD have achieved if only they would be left alone to bring prosperity to all mankind. Too bad this has NEVER been allowed to happen!

[The New Yorker]

Originally posted by Commie [email protected] 23 2004, 09:58 PM
It would have been interesting to see what a nation that is moving toward communism COULD have achieved if only they would be left alone to bring prosperity to all mankind. Too bad this has NEVER been allowed to happen!

How much out side interferance was there during the russian revolution?

It would be interesting to see how great capitalism could get if the commies would stay out of our countrys attemptiong to fuck them up by voteing for people like john kerry and bill clinton

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by The New [email protected] 24 2004, 01:28 PM

How much out side interferance was there during the russian revolution?

It would be interesting to see how great capitalism could get if the commies would stay out of our countrys attemptiong to fuck them up by voteing for people like john kerry and bill clinton
God, what a moronic statement.

There were huge interventions by outside powers, including Britain, the USA, France, Poland and Czechoslovakia.

And if you think that Kerry and Clinton advocate communism, I believe you are beyond help.

[fernando]

Originally posted by The New [email protected] 24 2004, 03:28 AM

How much out side interferance was there during the russian revolution?

It would be interesting to see how great capitalism could get if the commies would stay out of our countrys attemptiong to fuck them up by voteing for people like john kerry and bill clinton
Voting for John Kerry and Bill Clinton...isnt that called Democracy, they thing you people seem to praise so much and go on a crusade for?

Your countries? Name them? Latin America does not belong to you!!! :angry:

[Louis Pio]

It would be interesting to see how great capitalism could get if the commies would stay out of our countrys attemptiong to fuck them up by voteing for people like john kerry and bill clinton

Is this a joke? Seriously someone can't be so retarded as to call Kerry or Clinton communist? Or can they :huh:
It seems our friend here should ask to get his schoolmoney back, they are wasted on him since he lacks even basic knowlegde.
Clinton communist... :rolleyes:

[fernando]

Another proof that the capitalist education system doesnt really work

[The Feral Underclass]

This thread is pathetic!

[Maynard]

Maybe you would like to remember the comrades in Vietnam who put their people in concentration camps and were responsible for untold misery genocide long before America ever got there (the price of "progress" and "social justice" of course).
What genocide took place in Vietnam before 1961, a source for such a claim is needed and you fail to mention the fact that if the Geneva Accord was to be upheld in Vietnam, with elections that would unify both South and North Vietnam, that the Communist Party would have won, which was admitted by Dwight Eisenhower himself, mostly because of the agriculture reforms which happened in the North. So, if there was untold misery, it would have been untold misery that most Vietnamese people preferred to the government of Ngo Dinh Diem. Also, have you heard of the Japanese-Americans interment camps ? Putting people in concentration camps wasn't unique to Vietnam, if in fact, it did happen before US involvement, which I’ve never heard before.




The 60 million+ killed by socialism in China since 1949
That is an exaggeration, we all know your dislike for Marxism but most serious historians, even most with a distaste for Marxism put it lower. R.J. Rummel for instance puts it at 38 million but, regardless, the numbers are horrible. I suggest though, you look at the figures at India for the equivalent amount of time, the death rate is just as bad, if not worse than the rate of China with these numbers, due to starvation etc, which anyone could use to completely dismiss the idea of a mixed market economy.


people so afraid they would inform on their own friends and families (and there's been no trials for those who committed these acts I think we have all read 1984 before....


. The current state of South Africa, Zimbabwe and Venezuela under Marxist tyrants. Or is this not *real* Marxism? There always seems to be an outlandish excuse from spineless western Marxists for this legacy of misery and bloodshed.

It is not a whitewash, particulary, it is just accurate to anyone familar with Marxist theory. Socialism is seen as the transitional phase to Communism, where the state will wither away. These countries were or at least claim to be Socialist societies, some people dispute that however but South Africa, Zimbabwe and Venezuela are not Marxist states, not simply because we are looking to whitewash any particular crimes but because the factors of production remain mostly in private hands, which means it cannot be a socialist society. I would also dispute that Hugo Chavez or Thabo Mbeki are tyrants, both were elected by their populaces in elections designated as fair, just because you don't agree with their particular ideology doesn't make them more of a tyrant. The majority of tyrants though, have nothing to do with Socialism and particpate in the global economy, many as allies of Western societies, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia, Turkmenistan, Brunei to name a few.


Civilization is indeed in dangerous decline but it's because of people like Russia and their constant scheming, people like Michael Moore and Komrade Klintoon, the people who want to kill tradition and replace it with a nonsense and the price we pay when we find out that radical reforms and social engineering in the name of progress don't work.


Russia, Michael Moore and Bill Clinton all single handily bringing down Western Civilization ? Wow ! That is impressive, what scheming has Russia done to bring down Western Civilization ? Or for that matter, what radical reforms did Clinton pass ?
What traditions have been killed ?


How much out side interferance was there during the russian revolution?

Not as much as there would have been if World War 1 wasn't going on, it did still go on though. However, the United States sent troops into Russia in 1918, in the Civil War, so it didn't take too long for major scale interference. However, Commie Girl was talking about when Socialist governments were set up, not before and makes an entirely valid point, I believe.


It would be interesting to see how great capitalism could get if the commies would stay out of our countrys attemptiong to fuck them up by voteing for people like john kerry and bill clinton
How on earth is Kerry or Clinton anything like a Communist ? Clinton in many ways, followed Capitalist doctrines more closely than George Bush has, we all have seen how much the United States has improved with a "non-communist" in charge.

[fernando]

BILL CLINTON IS AN EVIL PUPPET CONTROLLED BY THE KGB!!!

THE COLD WAR IS FAR FROM OVER, NOW THOSE COMMIE BASTARDS HAVE SEND MICHEAL MOORE TO DESTROY THE FREE WORLD!!!

:lol: