Just how safe is the internet?

[wet blanket]

:lol: This is a fun topic. Ever think about the internet no longer being a "free-speech zone"?

We trust these corporations that handle our internet connection and the flow of information and letting our state comb through it?

Obviously a site like this will be a hotspot for some federally funded snoop to take a look at to make sure no TERRISTS are among us... The whole history of the internet and corporate involvement in its creation as well as it's military roots kind of throw me for a loop of "what ifs". It's a bit paranoid but look at us, we discuss revolutions on public forums on such a suspicious medium in times of the constitutional rights being chipped away and WORLDWIDE TERRISM.

So what do you think about the net... could BIG BROTHER seriously be watching you? And if so... what sort of consequences do you think comes along with posting a lot of this stuff on the internet for all to see? Does anyone else have second thoughts about the internet as well? It's a bit of a convenience but I don't like the fact that my IP address number is much like a red rod on the map of the internet. and is it even worth the risk of the internet to continue the make such posts on public forum?

Also, take a look at what the internet is becoming... what do you see its future role in society and politics or even control.

[commiecrusader]

you have a very good point. anyone could be watching what is written or being talked about etc. however in the short time ive been on here ive never seen any detailed sort of plan on a revolution, so i dont really see any offences we commit. also clearly the government etc dont monitor everything i mean just look at the existence of paedophile forums and stuff, which are much more illegal than discussing politics, although possibly not so worrying to the dirty old politicians lol

[gaf]

you could have make a pool here and i really think it's not safe
it surely not different with this world ,just an other tool

[Hiero]

Reall revolution's arent being planned on Internet chat rooms.

[seen_che]

And what then-......we shold take some ACTION

[refuse_resist]

So what do you think about the net... could BIG BROTHER seriously be watching you?

*cough* Patriot act *cough*

[h&s]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 10:12 AM

*cough* Patriot act *cough*
I was going to say I feel sorry for you Americans, but then I realised that the British secret services probably trawl the interent too....

[DRS]

Its actually a fact that the FBI have access to everything on the internet, even your chat logs in MSN, yahoo ect.

land of the free my arse

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 03:06 PM
Its actually a fact that the FBI have access to everything on the internet, even your chat logs in MSN, yahoo ect.

land of the free my arse
may be with linux you have better chance in a seek and hide play
what a paranoid world . but we know it. isn't it?
read that fuckin sneaky bastards where ever you are .you will never get ride out of the people just doing the same fault as history did.you just can't learn you just can't see but in fact you just don't want to see....that you are small. small in your mind.pitty it is realy sad... and you can kill ,put people in jail or in psichiatry .but you, also will be the victims from .... your sadness/madness
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :ph34r:

[The idealist]

What is it this time gaf?

Smoking or drinking?

:P

Pretty deep stuff. But dunno bout the relevance.

[Misodoctakleidist]

ISPs often block web sites so the 404 error page comes up as if the site didn't exist.

[gaf]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 23 2004, 03:57 PM
What is it this time gaf?

Smoking or drinking?

:P

Pretty deep stuff. But dunno bout the relevance.
idealist

you just go from fuckin cliche and that's not good
if you do not know what humour is then you have to lean more other ....sarcasm

world of the free my arse
and it begins really low if you know what i mean


relevance is what you whant to associate with .it's also call relativity

well no diference whith this materialistic world every thing is fucked and i'm merely
jokin/ provokatin .may be it is french. i don't know. i just grow in/with it

[The idealist]

Oh all right. I guess apologies from my side are in order. I guess you have every right to say that stuff. It is a free net after all (is it?).

Just don't ask me to understand it.

[gaf]

Originally posted by The [email protected] 23 2004, 04:23 PM
Oh all right. I guess apologies from my side are in order. I guess you have every right to say that stuff. It is a free net after all (is it?).

Just don't ask me to understand it.
oh pitty we can not use web cam hé
and apologies accepted....

and about freedom it's an other story
well i go with my dog now he does need a little bit freedom i think ciao

[lord_darg]

This is why third world countries exist. They dont have the resources to bother with checking what your doing, nor do they have any reason to be paranoid. If there's anyone from the US or UK in here, heres my recommendation: move to nepal. Theyll never bother with monitoring. Of course, if you're a REAL revolutionist they can probably still get a hold of you somehow. But the local authorities will be helpless to catch you. (Granted that the FBI might STILL be watching, but hey, no worries....or...something)

[duk]

i hope that they are reading what we are sayin because in this way they will know how many persons from allover the world hate them in their gov n politics... ( fuck u FBI n CIA if ure reading us now :P )

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 23 2004, 08:15 PM
i hope that they are reading what we are sayin because in this way they will know how many persons from allover the world hate them in their gov n politics... ( fuck u FBI n CIA if ure reading us now :P )
we re so insignificant and they know it
anyway you right fuck them all :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:
and well i surely never will go to usa since i can not even go to france without getting through the attention file one controle and i go minimum 12 hours long live democracy!


i know that they know internet or not i just stay myself

[gaf]

well it appears that each tiime i come in contact whith this site i find a spy in my comp
so we can play if you want but then i'm enough radical to find you back (i m doing that right now)
and i think che lives team should do something . and again tired to reapeat myself i like stategies so i may have been a step or forward than you think . i also like fishing
go to hell and even there i will find you.yeah i repeat myself fuck them all :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: :lol: :lol: :lol: ;)

[Kez]

i remember in the ol' days when there would be "guest" on the website members areas of who's logged in, and there would be threads on whether this guest was the FBI or summit lol :)

anyway, i wouldnt worry too much.

[fuerzasocialista]

being that I frequent this site among many news sites from Cuba and Venezuela and other leftist sites, the FBI and CIA are probably monitoring my movements.

FUCK THE POLICE :D

[davekriss]

DemocraticUnderground has it's Agent Mike, Urban75 has, well, Mike himself ... and both have untold agent provocateurs (official and just well-trained lap dogs). And these sites are tame compared to Che. Recall the travails of voxnyc/voxfux and the kid who ran monkeyfist. Sure they're out there monitoring these sites at some level.

PNAC's Rebuilding America's Defenses has a passage about the importance of controlling the internet and using it as an offensive PSYOP weapon (on page 57 or thereabouts). So far the Gee Dubya regime is deploying the PNAC plan as carefully as a chef creating haute cusine. The control will come via exercise of the big chill. Examples will have to be made. Again, voxfux and monkeyfist for starters. So don't kid yourself, they are listening, and getting ready for Phase II.

This is a bulletin board, a public forum; all of us should exercise the same care we would if we were on a soapbox in the village square. That we continue to speak truth to power is either a hallmark of our bravery or our recklessness, or both.

But note: The Iron Heel is coming down. Our police, those hired to "protect and serve", are increasingly militarized. We all saw FTAA in Miami -- has anyone seen the pictures coming out of NYC ahead of the RNC? Chilling. It's clear whom they ptotect and serve, and it's not us. The heel is coming down. Patriot Act I is law and Patriot Act II will be ramrodded through whole if they successfully LIHOP or by piecemeal stealth without LIHOP. It's coming down, rest assured.

Peak oil and growing contention for dwindling resources -- well, what did you think the elites would do, eat less? No, they have masterplans for the homeland, der fuhrer and crew. You and I in their eyes, we are either useless eaters (attributed to Kissinger) or cannon fodder (attributed to GHWB) -- either way, we die a death of deprivation or violence to maintain their way of life. And those who speak up? Recall Abu Ghraib, School of the Americas, the Central American Holocaust (the list is long) -- that terror can easily be turned on us. GWB didn't bring Abrams, Riech, Negroponte and Pondextor back into the halls of power for nothing: They mean to Latin Americanize America, downsize the quality and quantity of life, all to ensure, if even only for a time, continuance of their rapacious, luxuriante life-styles.

So someday what we post here may be read back to us just before we each are dunked underwater on a water board, or while standing hooded with electrodes attached -- hey, SOA needs "volunteers" upon which to teach others the latest in torture techniques! Have our names already been added to the waitlist?

The illusion of freedom in America will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theatre.
--Frank Zappa, 1977

We are rapidly approaching "that point where the illusion becomes too expensive" and they're about to send in the brownshirts to dismantle the remainig backdrops and set pieces of our pretend democracy.

So there's so much more fun to come. Be ready. Be smart.

"Get off the internet; I'll see you in the streets!"

[Anarchist Freedom]

my friend i think internet is one of the last shining beacons of free speech to exist in this god for saken world. The problem that the FBI and CIA actually attack people like sherman austin for hosting websites that are against conventional society.


:che:



CGLM! (http://www.cglm.net)

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 06:12 AM


So there's so much more fun to come. Be ready. Be smart.

"Get off the internet; I'll see you in the streets!"
what are you doing here?

[davekriss]

Originally posted by [email protected] 26 2004, 09:01 AM
what are you doing here?
Note my outrageously high post count, gaf. ;)

But, no, I don't mean not to use the internet -- it is a last bastion for free speech (even if forums like this have become a virtual variety of "free speech zones"). All I mean by my last (quoted) comment is don't let the internet become a substitute for action.

I also acknowledge that February 15 wouldn't have happened (at least not at the numbers seen) without the internet. Of course, you and I are not the only one's to have seen that. Establishmentarian agents, of course, know this too. And in a society that can wreak the violent havoc of the past 50 years (Iraq, Afghanistan, Panama, Nicaragua, Honduras, El Salvador, Costa Rica, Chile, Phillipines, East Timor and on ad infinitum) -- well, who here is naive enough to believe that, if forums such as this ever rise to a level that truly rock the class boat, that oppressive steps won't be taken?

Really
the police try to protect
the banks -- and everything else
is secondary
--- D.A. Levy, Surburban Monastery Death Poem (http://www.thing.net/~grist/l&d/dalevy/levy-l1.htm)


(On edit: Fixed the Levy quote.)