Law and Order

[enigma2517]

Before I start this I'll take into account two things

1.) Most people here have a libertarian leaning

2.) Many types of crime (stealing/robbing, drugs, etc.) will not be considered a crime in a sucessful communist society. Also, stuff like murder (often related to money/materialism) will decline as well.

However, humanity will never be perfect and of course there are going to be a few (psycho) bad apples that will kill/rape etc. without material pretense. If such a thing were to happen in your particular collective/community how would you deal with it?

[YKTMX]

.) Many types of crime (stealing/robbing, drugs, etc.) will not be considered a crime in a sucessful communist society.

No, crimes like this would not exist in a communist soceity because the enviroment that creates them will have been replaced by one which renders it pointless.


However, humanity will never be perfect and of course there are going to be a few (psycho) bad apples that will kill/rape etc

Of course things like mental illness will exist but for starters we won't call them "psychos" and catisgate them like now. Secondly, "rape" is created by alienation and uneven power distributions in society. As this ceases to be under communism, rape will also become an anachronism.


If such a thing were to happen in your particular collective/community how would you deal with it?

By consoling both individuals involved and proceeding without need for retribution (such an ugly facet of modern "justice").

[Essential Insignificance]

No, crimes like this would not exist in a communist soceity because the enviroment that creates them will have been replaced by one which renders it pointless.


I wouldn't say that it would never happen; it just won't be any near as prevalent as it is in today's conditions.



Secondly, "rape" is created by alienation and uneven power distributions in society. As this ceases to be under communism, rape will also become an anachronism.

It seems that the majority of rape case's are committed because "uneven power distributions", but not all.

I don't think it will become a total "anachronism"; just, instead, significantly reduced.

[redstar2000]

Crime & Punishment--Some Brief Notes on Communist Justice (http://redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net/theory.php?subaction=showfull&id=1083339099&archive=&cnshow=headlines&start_from=&ucat=&)

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[Vinny Rafarino]

Of course things like mental illness will exist but for starters we won't call them "psychos" and catisgate them like now. Secondly, "rape" is created by alienation and uneven power distributions in society. As this ceases to be under communism, rape will also become an anachronism.



That is not accurate.

Rapists suffer from a severe psychological disorder that lead to the development of sexual disorders such as sexual sadism. These disorders combined lead the individual to rape.

To say that rape is just a symptom of "uneven power distruibution" is completely off the mark; no matter what the sociological environment is, if neurological disorder exists, then rape will exist.

[YKTMX]

Rapists suffer from a severe psychological disorder that lead to the development of sexual disorders such as sexual sadism. These disorders combined lead the individual to rape.

That is not accurate.

As I have indicated, cases involving "mental diseases" will of course still exist however most rapists wish to exert power of an individual and this is a complicated sociological concept that has nothing to do with inate "mental defects". This is a specific problem with capitalist social relations therefore the "rape" as we know it will slowly dissolve.

Most rapists in fact live normal lives and most have girlfriends and sometimes even wives. Rapists who are caught are usually diagnosed after the offence where it suits the authorities to label them as "mentally abnormal".

[Vinny Rafarino]

however most rapists wish to exert power of an individual and this is a complicated sociological concept that has nothing to do with inate "mental defects". This is a specific problem with capitalist social relations therefore the "rape" as we know it will slowly dissolve.


Again, this is not accurate.

Individuals that need to exert their "dominance" over another individually in a criminally sexual manner will always suffer from a neurological disorder that prevents them from thinking rationally and will also suffer from a sexual disorder that forces them to "act out" sexually.


Most rapists in fact live normal lives and most have girlfriends and sometimes even wives. Rapists who are caught are usually diagnosed after the offence where it suits the authorities to label them as "mentally abnormal".

And there are cases of serial killers living "normal lives" during the day while hacking people up at night. They, like rapists suffer from a sever psychological disorder.

Rapists are diagnosed as "mentally abnormal" after they are cought because they are mentally abnormal.

Your theory lacks both scientific evidence and logic.

[YKTMX]

Individuals that need to exert their "dominance" over another individually in a criminally sexual manner will always suffer from a neurological disorder that prevents them from thinking rationally and will also suffer from a sexual disorder that forces them to "act out" sexually.

Nonsense - and quite dangerous, reactionery nonsense. What is "thinking rationally"? If you live an alienated life where exploitation is a norm in your social relationships, when "violence" is committed on unimaginable levels, where isolation and disrespect for others are "normal", the act of rape may be quite rational at a certain moment. Your attempt to describe "all" rapists as "neurologically" defective is wrong and quite, quite right wing.


And there are cases of serial killers living "normal lives" during the day while hacking people up at night. They, like rapists suffer from a sever psychological disorder

So, all criminals are insane? Or if not, where does insanity come into it? Are armed robbers "insane" as that offence carries just as much punishment as rape?

You've fallen into the all too common trap which attempts to explain "normal" crime in sociological terms but "bad" crimes in neurological, it is to be quite suspected from a person like yourself.


Rapists are diagnosed as "mentally abnormal" after they are cought because they are mentally abnormal.

No, no, no. Most rapists are not mentally abnormal, but violent criminals. Rape just like any violent crime will dissapear almost completely under communism.


Your theory lacks both scientific evidence and logic.

Not at all, it is quite lucid and proveable.