Imperialism bad, only if there capitalist

[Subversive Pessimist]

Imperialism bad, only if it is capitalist imperialism?

Imperialism - the policy of extending the rule or authority of an empire or nation over foreign countries, or of acquiring and holding colonies and dependencies.


If Russia again became a socialist nation, would you oppose or support Russian imperialism? Is it not "right" to impose our views on capitalist nations? Are we hypocritical to say that imperialism is bad, if we support it ourselves?

[wet blanket]

I don't support it at all.

[Bolshevist]

I would not support Russian imperialism due to the fact that you cannot force the liberation on people, it would have the opposite effect. I would rather see that the countries have revolutions and voluntarily join an socialist union.

[Subversive Pessimist]

So if we had Nazi Germany rising up again, and we had Russia, we shouldn't go to war against them and destroy the regime?


I would rather see that the countries have revolutions and voluntarily join an socialist union.

What is ideal, and what is practically possible are two different things. Russia defeated Nazism. Wasn't that the right thing to do?

[Bolshevist]

Of course we should crush the facists, but you misunderstood me. It would have the opposite effect if Russia where to invade Norway (just as an example) and turn that into a socialist republic.

[Subversive Pessimist]

It would have the opposite effect if Russia where to invade Norway (just as an example) and turn that into a socialist republic.

What is the opposite effect you are talking about? Are you talking about people getting afraid, angry, or even furious? Sure, a lot of people would, but the Germans were most likely pissed because the Russians "invaded" their country.

A question Twisted:
Would you have supported a invasion of capitalist Norway by Russia if it was a "true" socialist state?

[YKTMX]

If Russia again became a socialist nation, would you oppose or support Russian imperialism? Is it not "right" to impose our views on capitalist nations? Are we hypocritical to say that imperialism is bad, if we support it ourselves?

You're suffering from a fairly popular failure. Socialism isn't about "imposing our will" in a top down fashion whether that be through parliament or "imperialism". Socialism is about ordinary people taking control of their own lives.

You have been here quite a long time now comrade, maybe you should consider starting to learn the basics.

[Subversive Pessimist]

Socialism isn't about "imposing our will" in a top down fashion whether that be through parliament or "imperialism". Socialism is about ordinary people taking control of their own lives.

Socialism is also (in my opinion) about removing all forms of opression. Would you not support an invasion by a socialist country against an opressive capitalist state, that exploits the workers? Is a revolution in a capitalist country bad? After all, no matter what country you hold political control, you will have opponents that does not like you, and you will in some extent "force" your will on others. It is indeed about imposing the workers will over the bourgeoise. I do not say that you have to agree with me. Just think about it for a while.

[ComradeRed]

The USSR was state capitalist, remember? Ergo, it would still qualify as capitalist imperialism.

[Subversive Pessimist]

Yes, I know. Russia was more like an example. But would you have supported a true socialist state against a capitalist state? Would you have supported a revolution by communists against a capitalist state? Where is the significant difference between a state doing the work, or a handful of revolutionaries?

As an example: Would there be any signifcant difference in your view if Che gathered a group of revolutionaries in Cuba and fought against capitalism in Mexico, then Fidel sending (volentary) soldiers into Mexico? There would still be killings, and wheter you will send a handful of willing, then one that is properly organized, is not important. What is important is that people will die and suffer, and none of these two options will change that.

[Hawker]

I sort of support Imperialism,but I don't support setting up colonies and commonwealths or if it involves capitalism.I support conquest in Imperialism,because if there are less countries then there are less wars.

I believe that the conquered country should be allowed to keep their cultural traditions,and should be left unimposed.

Why do so many people think that taking over the world is a bad thing?Is it so wrong...to end the Chaos?

[YKTMX]

Would you not support an invasion by a socialist country against an opressive capitalist state, that exploits the workers

No. I would support "help" for the people of that country to free themselves - you can't do the job for them.


Is a revolution in a capitalist country bad?

:blink:


After all, no matter what country you hold political control, you will have opponents that does not like you, and you will in some extent "force" your will on others. It is indeed about imposing the workers will over the bourgeoise. I do not say that you have to agree with me. Just think about it for a while.

When the next wave of revolutions come I believe they will engulf every country in the world so there will be no "standoffs" like the Cold War.

[DaCuBaN]

I really wish I could justify imperialism: I'd have started my plans for world domination a long time ago. :lol:

To me, the idea of opposing my will on another sickens me - I can think I am right, but to impose those thoughts on another? Never!

This is the one and only place where I can reach accord with objectivists: Initiation of force is at the very least unsavoury. The problem being that they get a tad 'miffed' when I retort that force, irregardless of intent, is 'wrong'.