Is Hugo Chavez a real communist?

[International Chairman Mao]

i heard a lot about the situation in Venezuela and the president Hugo Chavez,but no media metioned about his political ideas,so my friends in LatinAmerica,is he a real Communist or just in a Left-Wing Union?

[LeninistaRevolucionario]

Originally posted by International Chairman [email protected] 20 2004, 01:51 AM
i heard a lot about the situation in Venezuela and the president Hugo Chavez,but no media metioned about his political ideas,so my friends in LatinAmerica,is he a real Communist or just in a Left-Wing Union?
Neither, he is just a populist who manipulates the masses to get richer and richer. He couldnt care less about the workers nor the people.

[Neto]

Hey man, if the Bush and the CIA want him out, there must be something good about him :lol:.

[Louis Pio]

No he's not a communist
You should however not belive crap like this
who manipulates the masses to get richer and richer.

Come on leninista give some examples or don't bother.

[Guest1]

I'm an Anarchist, and even I don't go that far in my criticism of this guy. We should be cautious, but support the revolution and the bolivarian circles developing participitory democracy independent of Chavez or his party. The bolivarian circles are reaching a point of revolt against both Capital and the State that originally spawned them.

In the beginning, the circles were somewhat democratic, but the candidates were appointed from above and then the rank and file selected from amongst them. Recently, the circles have begun to slip from under the grip of bureaucracy as several reports of circles rejecting the candidates and holding their own votes have come from Venezuela.

This radicalization of society, with or without Chavez, is the reason we must support this revolution and wish the Venezuelan people luck in their struggles. May all their labour not end in authoritarian devolution and a return to class society.

[Louis Pio]

Yeah the circls have become more revolutionary and what is even more interesting is how the "election commands" (don't remember the spanish word) have evovlved, these consist of around 1,5 million people! Build orginally as a force to propagandate for a no, they are now moveing beyoubd that, They even got rid of the more reformist leaders. They don't seem to be going to disband and can become a major force.

[il Commie]

So you're saying the "election commands" have became something similar to soviets?

[Louis Pio]

No, they however don't seem to be disbanding even though that was the plan. What im saying is that it will be very interesting seeing what happens with them. Unlike the bolivarian circles of which many disband all the time they seem democratic and centralised

[Morpheus]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 05:11 AM
Hey man, if the Bush and the CIA want him out, there must be something good about him :lol:.
Does this mean you think there must be something good about Saddam Hussein and the Taliban?

[Reuben]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 20 2004, 09:28 AM
I'm an Anarchist, and even I don't go that far in my criticism of this guy. We should be cautious, but support the revolution and the bolivarian circles developing participitory democracy independent of Chavez or his party. The bolivarian circles are reaching a point of revolt against both Capital and the State that originally spawned them.

In the beginning, the circles were somewhat democratic, but the candidates were appointed from above and then the rank and file selected from amongst them. Recently, the circles have begun to slip from under the grip of bureaucracy as several reports of circles rejecting the candidates and holding their own votes have come from Venezuela.

This radicalization of society, with or without Chavez, is the reason we must support this revolution and wish the Venezuelan people luck in their struggles. May all their labour not end in authoritarian devolution and a return to class society.
as a marxist i find myself very much in agreement with che y marujuana. The key thing is that the working class develope an *independent* ad democratic power base so that stalling or betrayal by any aspect of the leadership (whether it is the bureaucracy, the politicians or chavez himself and yes it can happen - right now the bourgoir politicians of latin america are making supportive statements trying to bring chavez into the 'club') does not deal a deathblow the olivaran process.

At the same time that while our focus is is not on the politicans but on the mass movements outlined e must recognise:

- That whether we like it or not this situation in which class consciousness is spreading, and in which workers are looking to gain power has arisen partly through CHavez's bolivarian revolution. In his sense Chavez's influence is clearly progressive.

- Consequently the mass of radicalised workers and their organisations orientate towards Chavez. We cannot ignore this fact simply because Chavez's programme does not conform to our ideal. Moreover this must *must* infrm the manner in which marxists address the mass of venezuelans