the illuminati

[insurgency03]

I just found out about them, apparently their a conspiracy theorists dream, i went to all sorts of sites and this is some weird shit. it basicly sums of to this.

all the major players of the world today (e.g. George W. Bush, John Kerry, Bill gates, FDR, and a shit load of others) are part of some massive global sonspiracy group called the ?. Apparently they are supposed to be consisted of the most rich, powerful, and influencial people in the world and they have been around at least since the 1700 or probley even earlier. They are supposedly connected connected with the murder of JFk, Martin Luther King, and also involved in many other acts of political sabotage. Some of this shit is really unbelievable like the parts about aliens, and daemons and shit like that but i wouldnt doubt that their is some sort of financial and political elite pulling the strings behind americas government, or even all the worlds superpowers.

any1 else know something about this?

[socialistfuture]

conspiracies are so great. the illuminati one gets very wierd. if u want some another one try reading bout freemasons.

[j.guevara]

I you want conspiracy theory read Rule by Secrecy by Jim Marrs.

[Hiero]

During the French revolution in the 1700 or whenever a messager on horse was stop by the revolutionary forces. He was taking a letter to a aristocrat of one country from a aristocrat in France. The letter had details about the Illuminati. Many were exposed and police excuted many members. This is very vague dont take it literally i cant remember much about it, it may of even been the 100 year war agaisnt england. All i know is there was a letter found that had details of Illuminati. There is also the belief that the Illuminati are demi gods and are of Royal egyptian decent and they still posses the powers of the pharros.

Although i dont believe in it and most likely someone has created this consipiracy to group up the elite of the world and there capitalist agenda of free trade. BUT i blieve there was a letter as it is recorded in French history sinc local authorities dealt with it.

[Comrade BNS]

Yeah the illuminati.

Apparantly they started in the 4th century B.C and had their 'secret HQ' somewhere in the western indus valley.

The original idea of the illuminati is not in existance anymore, its more like an ideal that has been continually revived throughout history.

Thomas Jefferson was a self proclaimed member of the illuminati and was one of the founders of the modern illuminati. Current members are reported to be top officials of the IMF, WTO, World Bank, World Health Org., and also have strong ties to the US admin and pentagon, although no actual members of the US admin are said to be illuminati.

I don;t really doubt that such a group exists, but the extent of their power and some of their claims I do doubt.

Check out the US $1 note. Around the symbol of the pyramid with the all seeing eye positioned at the top (THE symbol of the illuminati) it says "Novas Ordo Seclorum" (if my latin serves me correctly) meaning new social order. let that get your conspiracies going!

Comrade BNS

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 09:34 PM
conspiracies are so great. the illuminati one gets very wierd. if u want some another one try reading bout freemasons.
many fasciste including hitler believed in that
some doctor also, see antroposophie big discution
search for it
i don' t believe in this but i just believe that if you don' t want it you just have to take your future in your own hand nobody should write it for you but you. that may be your own conspiraciy.believe in yourself

[Forward Union]

you may notice the Illuminati logo on the dollar. I believe it also appeared on the Reichsmark, although i have no evidence of that.

It certainly isn't a "rich mans" club, it a secret society that has existed on the foundations of the Teachings of King Soloman, who's eye is featured on top of the pyramid. It believe to have been formed about 1800 bc, a mysterious biblical organisation that ultimately controls the fate of the world and it nations, thus meaning that Che Guevara and Fidel only won the revolution because it was pre planned. The theory of the illuminati also means that revolution is pointless and our cause will succeed or fail despite our efforts. I refuse to believe this, and choose not to recognise the existence of this organisation.

[commiecrusader]

i dont know much about the illuminati but they feature in the pc game Deus Ex. i think they're only in the first one not the second game though.

[Subversive Pessimist]

This creeps me out.

Both Mikhail Alexandrovich Bakunin, Marx, and Engels was a member of the freemasonry. That goes with Mozart, and many other famous people too. I'm starting to wonder what they are doing in there. If they have a hidden agenda. If they have an agenda, like we have, and what it is.

[insurgency03]

mysterious biblical organisation that ultimately controls the fate of the world and it nations, thus meaning that Che Guevara and Fidel only won the revolution because it was pre planned.

things can go out plan for everyone even all powerful secret oligarchy's, theres always things that go wrong and out of plan in history.

[Forward Union]

3 of my uncles are freemasons. They refuse to tell me anything from the inside, but one time when one of them got really hammered at a new years party he told me "What you think is fact, may be fiction. What you see isn't truth, its not all what it seems"

As for teh Illuminati, their logo is on the USA's 'Great Seal', as featured on the one dollar note. Like i said earlier, i think it was featured on a Reichsmark, but i'll have to check.
http://www.homeworkhotline.com/greatseal2.jpg

And also, you may wish to check out, The Illuminati Home page (http://www.Illuminati.org)

[T_SP]

Illuminati site (http://www.topsitelists.com/out.cgi?area=bestsites&user=conspire&nocheat=1092858949&ID=20&url=http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/)

Conspiracy theories topten (http://www.topsitelists.com/bestsites/conspire/topsites.html)

I love all this shit! Especially the JFK theories! Also MLK, Malcom X, the moon landing, hangar 18 all good!!

[BOZG]

They're also of Reptilian blood.

They also feature in a variation in Metal Gear Solid 2.

David Icke: Hero To All (http://www.davidicke.com)

[commiecrusader]

has anyone here played the thief games??? the illuminati kind of remind me of the watchers in that. the way they watch everything (in the name lol) and control everything from behind the scenes... spooky.

im gonna try and see if the illuminati logo is on the Reichsmark... but i doubt ill find out lol

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 09:32 PM
Both Mikhail Alexandrovich Bakunin, Marx, and Engels was a member of the freemasonry.
What proof have you of this.

[BOZG]

Here (http://hanskrause.de/HKHPE/index%20HKHPE%2051%2000.htm)

Theory about the illuminati and communism.


Here (http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/US_Presidents/US_Presidents01.htm)

Illuminati and Freemasons




As for suggestions about Marx, Engels and Bakunin, as far as I know, they were always just rumours to discredit the men. Atheists are not eligible for membership I think anyway.

[gaf]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 22 2004, 12:23 PM
What proof have you of this.
if it's a conspiracy theory you just can't prove it

[commiecrusader]

i looked through shitloads of google pictures of different kinds of reichsmarks but i havent been able to find any with the illuminati symbol on.

i did find this picture of the seal on a note, but i think its the dollar like the one above tho i dont have a dollar being english so im not sure...:

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 12:23 PM
Here (http://hanskrause.de/HKHPE/index%20HKHPE%2051%2000.htm)

Theory about the illuminati and communism.
I think "theory" is a strong word.

[commiecrusader]

i also found this picture, dont know if its relevant.

also for a detailed 'insight' into the symbolism of the dollar i found this website:

http://www.talewins.com/Treasures/essays/onedollar.htm

doesnt mention the illuminati in it tho so i guess its probably a lot of crap lol. interesting nonetheless.

[Hiero]

Ok i jsut thought of something. How can the Illuminati be true if North Korea is so closed off to the world.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by [email protected] 22 2004, 01:30 PM
I think "theory" is a strong word.
=D Ha Ha



commiecrusader

That's a picture of the dollar.

[BOZG]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 22 2004, 01:33 PM
Ok i jsut thought of something. How can the Illuminati be true if North Korea is so closed off to the world.
That's what they want you to think....

[commiecrusader]

okay now this is sketchy shit. i just found this picture. it is taken of the front of the Austrian Courthouse in Gmunden, Austria. first here is the zoomed out one, then ill show you the zoomed in one in my next post cos i dont know how to do more than one picture in a post:

[commiecrusader]

okay this is the zoomed in one on the bottom part of the zoomed out pic. looks like the illuminati are everywhere.

[gaf]

Introduction

There is a worldwide conspiracy being orchestrated by an extremely powerful and influential group of genetically-related individuals (at least at the highest echelons) which include many of the world's wealthiest people, top political leaders, and corporate elite, as well as members of the so-called Black Nobility of Europe (dominated by the British Crown) whose goal is to create a One World (fascist) Government, stripped of nationalistic and regional boundaries, that is obedient to their agenda. Their intention is to effect complete and total control over every human being on the planet and to dramatically reduce the world's population by 5.5 Billion people. While the name New World Order is a term frequently used today when referring to this group, it's more useful to identify the principal organizations, institutions, and individuals who make up this vast interlocking spiderweb of elite conspirators.
links new world order:7 seals
http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/
and in france
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/m...s/weishaupt.htm (http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/masons/weishaupt.html)l
and more religious but really stange
http://www.tribulationalinstitute.com/endt..._with_links.htm (http://www.tribulationalinstitute.com/endtime_chart_with_links.htm)

[commiecrusader]

i found another company possibly linked to the illuminati. the company is called the Association of Certified Fraud Specialists. a non-profit organisation in america that authenticates various types of document etc. pretty influential job if you ask me. after all, if they declare something to be a fraud, then the masses will probably ignore it, and if they certify something as being genuine, then the masses may well believe it even if its a lie...

anyway heres their logo:

[Anarchist Freedom]

The illuminati is a very funny subject if you ask me. living with a conservative dad who believes in the illuminati. It is just a paranoid persons reasoning for the happenings in the world sadly many people write books and people buy into it creating somewhat of a fanfare for the idea of the illuminati.



:che:

CGLM! (http://www.cglm.net)

[gaf]

Originally posted by Socialist [email protected] 22 2004, 05:14 PM

CGLM! (http://www.cglm.net)
good link



.... but i think things are already out of control.

[__ca va?]

Wow, you Americans are really capable of believing conspiracy theories :)

I've got some questions about this whole illuminati stuff...

The illuminati controlled all the aristocracies in Europe and America. But these writings say that the founders of communism were also the illuminati !
Now what I'd like to ask is:
If the Russian czar was an illuminati, then why was he executed in the illuminati-controlled Russian Revolution ?
And if both the USSR, Nazi Germany and the USA were controlled by them, then why did the USSR+US defeat the Germans and why did they make 1000's of nuclear bombs against each other??? :huh:
And of course: I'm on a communist website.......... does this mean that I'm a member of the Illuminati organisation ???? :blink: (don't remember the name)

And these Illuminati must be veery unselfish: they've been working so much through the centuries to provide rule over the world for their great-great-......-great-grandsons! And they still don't seem to be having this big power!
Don&#39;t tell me that they are the governing elites all over the world&#33; These elites have changed so many times in so many ****ries in the 20th century&#33; Just take a look at Europe: Germany, Austria, Russia... And what about China? They are communists and they don&#39;t seem to be controlled by a cosmopolite Jewis-Anglosaxon elite :D Because I&#39;ve seen some Hungarian websites about the illuminati (all of them right-wing, I think this shows something... <_< ) and they all pictured the Ill. as an organisations of rich Jews: this unambigously resembles to the book "The wisemen of Zion" (I don&#39;t know the exact English name), a book written by a Russian writer, which talks about a world-wide Jewish conspiracy. The book was banned because it is one of the fundamental pieces of Nazi propaganda...

And the part about the American government collaborating with evil aliens... that&#39;s a story about wich I say: No comment

This illuminati thing is just a big piece of bullshit... Why do you believe such a nonsense just because it&#39;s frightening or pessimistic? ^_^
Oh, and sorry for my bad English..

p.s.: I hope you won&#39;t think that I&#39;m an Illuminati trying to &#39;brainwash&#39; you <_<

[gaf]

Originally posted by __ca [email protected] 22 2004, 08:31 PM
p.s.: I hope you won&#39;t think that I&#39;m an Illuminati trying to &#39;brainwash&#39; you <_<
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: ouais ca va bien avec toi
la bombe humaine c&#39;est toi elle t&#39;apartiens
enfante du coeur tu en veras la fin

[__ca va?]

Salut gaf&#33; :D

ouais ca va bien avec toi
la bombe humaine c&#39;est toi elle t&#39;apartiens
enfante du coeur tu en veras la fin

Je suis tres heureux de trouver quelqu&#39;un qui parle Français ici, mais s&#39;il te plaît traduis que tu as dit, parce que je le comprends pas :( . Je ne suis pas Francais mais je suis Hongrois et je ne parle pas bien Français

[gaf]

Originally posted by __ca [email protected] 22 2004, 08:56 PM
Salut gaf&#33; :D


Je suis tres heureux de trouver quelqu&#39;un qui parle Français ici, mais s&#39;il te plaît traduis que tu as dit, parce que je le comprends pas :( . Je ne suis pas Francais mais je suis Hongrois et je ne parle pas bien Français
well thats will be difficult since it is a song form a french rock band from the 80&#39;s
TELEPHONE
but i &#39;ll try to translate for you


&#39;the human bomb is just yours
coming from your heart you will then see the end "




QUOTE The book was banned because it is one of the fundamental pieces of Nazi propaganda... QUOTE
IS THAT not the one of solyenitsyn? :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r:

[__ca va?]

IS THAT not the one of solyenitsyn?

OK, I found some info on the book, so..

The wisemen of Zion (still don&#39;t know the exact English name)

It was written to the order of the Ohrana, the intelligence of the czar by Sergei Nilus (he had persecution mania) and others including Rachkowsky the Ohrana agent in Paris. We don&#39;t actually know when it was written, around 1900. It was an attemt to demonize the Jews to help the czar&#39;s propaganda. It is about a worldwide conspiracy to rule the world and enslave non-Jews, all told by Jews.
It was the most "effective" among the Russian people between 1905 dec.-1906 summer: many Jews had been beaten and looted in this period. Many people had been killed.
In the 1920&#39;s Hitler also recieved a copy of the book. It was one of his main sources in writing Mein Kampf

So it has nothing to do with Solshenitsyn :)

[Forward Union]

What about the Sha&#39;Sheer??, ever heard of them?, their logo is featured in my avatar. Don&#39;t waste your time with a google seach though, you won&#39;t find anything.

[__ca va?]

What about the Sha&#39;Sheer??, ever heard of them?, their logo is featured in my avatar. Don&#39;t waste your time with a google seach though, you won&#39;t find anything.

Well I wasted my time with google search and I did find a site about them. Isn&#39;t this sha&#39;sheer thing only a computer game? :D :D

[Forward Union]

Funnilly enough, no. The Brotherhood of Nod was featured in a PC game called Command and Conquer, and it was a &#39;what if&#39; senario based on the organisation of the Sha&#39;Sheer.

Just as the illuminati were featured in Deus Ex, the Brotherhood were featured in C&C