Does Cuba still have Nukes?

[Commie Girl]

Some idiot on a nother forum is looking for a way to block all IP's in rogue nations, and cited Cuba as an example, along with North Korea, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan and Syria. They contend Cuba is a rogue nation with Nukes pointed at the U$.



Help? :)

site (http://www.astalavista.net)

[Louis Pio]

Now nobody serious would ever suggest Cuba to have nukes. The russians had some on the Island, that lead to the missile crisis.

Ask him back if he don't think the Bush administration would already have used that argument if it was even remotely plausible?

[seen_che]

I dont think Cuba would have the resorses to bild nukes(no offense)...It was the Russions...DA....da.....I hope Cuba NEVER will bild nukes and I dont think they ever will!!

[Subversive Pessimist]

Why don't you want Cuba to build nukes?

[Pawn Power]

nobody should have nuclear weapons. but i would rather it be Cuba then the US

[Stoker]

This is a quote from a forum within the site Commie Girl referred to. I’m attempting to find out where he gets his information from.


The Cubans still have nukes from the former Soviet Union and you have to remember that they were enemies of the US, separately from the Soviet republic. The Soviets saw this as an opportunity to place missles close to US shores, in the same way that the US took advantage of the proximity of western Europe, to targets within the Soviet Union. By placing missles so close to the opposing shores, each side effectively shortened the warning time that the other would have, to scramble their forces, and get governmental figures and other strategic assets into protective shelters, in the event of an attack.

When Cuba allowed these missles to be put into place, they cemented the animosity between the US and Cuba, and this was the beginning of the US embargo against Cuba. The collapse of the Soviet Union did not remove this animosity - instead, it placed control of these missles, directly into the hands of Cuba. The US still views this as a serious threat, and the result is that they are considered a 'rogue' nation.

In truth, these missles are old enough, now, that they would probably not be capable of a nuclear detonation. More probably, they would fall into the category of what is today referred to as a 'dirty bomb', in that they might spread radioactive material over a populated area. The half-life of weapons-grade materials is short enough that weapons of this nature would have to be replenished with nuclear fuel, periodically, in order to continue to be capable of nuclear detonation. Cuba does not show signs of an active nuclear program (that I am aware of!), so it is unlikely that these missles have been properly maintained.

The upshot is that it probably would not hurt Cuba's military readiness, in the slightest, to publicly and unilaterally disarm these missles - and the gesture would actually place great pressure on the US government, to lift the embargo, and make peaceful overtures. Our government would have to be made up of the biggest assholes, ever, to maintain a decades-old vendetta, in the face of such a gesture. That Cuba has not chosen to do so, already, indicates that it's government wants to maintain the animosity, for some reason. If I were to speculate, I'd say that the ongoing animosity provides a pretext for continuing to oppress their own population, just as the ongoing and increasingly ridiculous wars on terrorism and drugs, provide pretexts for similarly oppressing the citizens of the US.

After all, we have already acheived all of the war objectives, in Iraq - if we're finished, then why are we still there? Clearly, we're not wanted, any more... Perhaps it's time to go find Osama bin Laden, or do whatever we are going to do in Korea? Or perhaps it's time to go home, and finally let the other nations of the UN deal with Korea... If bin Laden isn't dead, by now, he has to be the sickest dialysis patient on Earth.

Anyhow... Cuba is still considered a 'rogue', because they continue to act against US interests, independently of the Soviet political block. Those Evil Reds, them! :-P

And remember the old saying: "Keep your friends close - and your enemies closer!" Blocking the domains, in an effort to wall out the stupidity, does nothing to prevent or change it. All that you accomplish, this way, is to remain ignorant of it. While I can understand making that decision, individually, for yourself - after all, I don't watch the news, for similar reasons - it seems ill-advised to make that choice, on behalf of other people... :-)

[duk]

well i dont think that cuba has nuc weapons. first because i think usa is scare 2 put soldiers in a country where we can find nuc weapons . and i think that castro cant keep any secrets :P

[Fidelbrand]

Rogue Nation? :P
See this book :

Rogue Nation: American unilaterialism and the failure of good intentions

by Clyde Prestowitz. (An Amerikan.)
New York: Basic Books c2003.

[monkeydust]

Cuba never had Nukes, the Soviets merely placed some of their nukes on Cuba.

As everyone knows, the missiles were removed after threats from the U.S. They haven't come back since I'm afraid.

[Guerrilla22]

So true Monkeydust,
The nukes on the island were Soviet nukes (obvious to anyone who knows the slightest about history) thus, they were under the control of the USSR at all times. Castro couldn't have launched them even if he wanted to, it was the USSR's decision. Anyway, the confused individual, who brought this up, should know that the list of nations that Commie Girl was refering to is the list of terrorist sponsoring nations, according to the US government.

[h&s]

The Russian nukes were never put on Cuba as an actual real launch site. The USSR was pissed off with having U$ nukes right next to them in Turkey, so the condition for moving the nukes off CUba was to get the U$ nukes out of Turkey.

[Blackberry]

At the very least, before February 4 2003, Cuba did not possess any nuclear weapons, according to the Centre For Defence Information (http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/nukearsenals.cfm).

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[gaf]

NUKE BUSH NUKE THEM ALL

[Commie Girl]

Thanks for the great links, BlackBerry...this can be closed now!

[seen_che]

Why don't you want Cuba to build nukes?

:huh:
:o Why don't you want Cuba to build nukes? i wouldent want anybody to do that!!

[Guerrilla22]

Originally posted by Comrade [email protected] 19 2004, 11:25 AM
At the very least, before February 4 2003, Cuba did not possess any nuclear weapons, according to the Centre For Defence Information (http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/nukearsenals.cfm).

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Those are only statistics on countries that currently had nukes as of that date.

[Blackberry]

Originally posted by [email protected] 20 2004, 11:27 AM
Those are only statistics on countries that currently had nukes as of that date.
The question was asked in the current tense though.

At any rate, the following file contends that Cuba never did have any previous deployed nuclear weapons, nor any nuclear military program: Nuclear Fact Sheet 1 (160KB) (http://www.vicpeace.org/fact-sheets/nukefact1.01.pdf)

[Rasta Sapian]

no nukes, potential nuke capability with outside support, but unrealistic, however very capable as a naval or airforce base, guellia warfare potential, U$ speaking...

[Leninist thug]

I bet you anything Cuba has several of those nuclear suitcases leftover from the Soviet Union. Of course it is a secret. I support their secrecy and of Cuba's right to have them for their defense.

[gaf]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 05:52 PM

i wouldent want anybody to do that!!
too late anyway!

[ECGAmerica]

Cuba may have weapons, but most likely they are corroded and unusable and it is highly doubtful that they are pointed at the U$A.

[h&s]

I bet you anything Cuba has several of those nuclear suitcases leftover from the Soviet Union
I bet they don't.
Why the fuck would they? Why would a corrupt capitalist/ imperialistic country like Russia want an enemy of their most powerful ally to have the capability of launching their nukes? That just wouldn't make sense.

[refuse_resist]

Cuba never had and never will have nuclear weapons, or any other type of weapon that is capable of killing so many people. Castro himself has said he doesn't want certain weapons/vehicles used in their military because they're used to occupy countries and are imperialist armament. Even though they don't use the same weapons as imperialist countries, they're still fully capable of defending themselves if attacked. The whole missile crisis that happend was just something that was purposely over-exaggerated by the government to scare everyone and knew it would be good to use as propaganda against the Soviet Union. Cuba has already admitted it never received any shipments of nuclear weapons or never had any missile silos built anywhere on the island.