White supremist views on 11/9

[queen of diamonds]

Will Anyone Dare to Ask Why?
By David Duke, National President
European-American Unity and Rights Organization (EURO)
Thursday, September 15, 2001

America has a very big problem.

We have just experienced the shock of the most spectacular and deadly terror attack in modern history. In an almost surreal scene from a Hollywood movie, on September 11, 2001 hijacked passenger planes crashed directly into the New York World Trade Center and the Pentagon in Washington. Thousands of Americans were maimed and killed. The costs might even go over the one trillion dollar mark, and the event may even trigger world-wide economic depression.

These terrible acts of terrorism must be fought with every ounce of American resolve. And those who commit such heinous acts must be punished to the fullest severity of the law. No such acts must ever be permitted on American soil.

That being said, how then do we then protect ourselves from terror in the future?

Because of increased scientific knowledge around the world, the next terror could be far more deadly than what happened on September 11. The next horrific occurrence might not even entail an explosion of any kind, but the silent mass death of a biological or radiation attack.

The bad news is that no matter how many billions of dollars the government spends or how many bombs it drops, it is impossible to completely protect ourselves from these great dangers. In fact, the more bomb-dropping and devastation we do, the more likely a future terroristic response.

We have moved into an era in which even sheer military might is no protection. No longer can strong nations attack weak ones with impunity. The tiniest nation or political entity can easily revenge itself with mass terror. No nation is invulnerable, even the strongest nation on earth.

Unless we understand the why of these terroristic acts, the motivation behind them, we can not prevent a repeat of such terrorism in the future. We Americans must ask ourselves why we now suffer such terror.

When a clock stops, we ask why.

Is it not plugged in? Is the battery dead? Is it broken? If so, why is it broken?

When you have a problem, if you don't ask why and get some good answers and act on them, it will persist. It may well even become a lot worse.

The Zionist-dominated media has provided us in living color the gory details of this bloody attack on the American people. They have even told us who might be behind it, but so far they have carefully avoided giving an understandable reason why the attack took place.



Flyers from the UN Conference on Racism just prior to Tuesday's attack.
Calling the attackers "cowards" is, of course, untrue. The terrorists committed an indescribably horrible and ruthless act against the American people, but certainly they are not cowards. Kamikazes may be misguided, but sacrificing one's own life for a cause is not cowardice. And calling the perpetrators cowards or madmen doesn't answer the question of why these horrendous acts occurred, unless one thinks every coward and madman wants to blow up the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

Those descriptions prevent people from discovering the reasons why the event actually occurred. And, if we want to prevent such occurrences from happening in the future, it is absolutely vital that to understand "why."

Maybe a good first question to ask is why these "crazy," "cowardly," Arabs never attack Switzerland or Sweden? What could it be that those countries do or don't do that causes them to be ignored while we are targeted.

Let me be very, very blunt.

The ultimate cause of this terrorism stems directly from our involvement in and support of the criminal behavior of Israel.

Terror in response to Terror

The Palestinians and many of their Arab allies have been the target of a half century of unrelenting Israeli terrorism.

In the late 1940s the Zionists took over Palestine and drove out 700,000 people from their homes through widespread acts of terrorism. Among those events was the sadistic massacre of 254 Palestinian mostly old men, women and children at Deir Yassin. It was an especially vicious, cold-blooded massacre characterized by Jews cutting apart the bellies of pregnant women. 1 After the bloodletting, the murderers then purposely publicized the event so as to make the people flee in panic from their homes and businesses from which they still haven't been allowed to return.

Former Israel Prime Minister, Menachem Begin, a participant in this horrendous massacre, boasted of the importance of Deir Yassin in his book The Revolt: The Story of the Irgun. He wrote that there would not have been a State of Israel without the "victory" of Deir Yassin. "The Haganah carried out victorious attacks on other fronts... In a state of terror, the Arabs fled, crying, 'Deir Yassin. 2"

Nor did the massacres cease after the establishment of the Jewish State; they continued in times of both peace and war. Following are the names of some of them: Sharafat Massacre, Kibya Massacre, Kafr Qasem Massacre, Al-Sammou' Massacre, the Sabra And Shatila Massacre, Oyon Qara Massacre, Al-Aqsa Mosque Massacre, the Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre, the Jabalia Massacre. 3

In a policy of ethnic cleansing, Israel continues to keep residents of Palestine who were born there and whose families lived there for countless generations, from returning home. At the same time, it gives generous incentives for genetic Jews who never lived in Palestine to immigrate from the far corners of the world.

The British also suffered greatly from Israeli terror, such as the horrendous bombing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem.

Israeli terror has not stopped since. Israel has more prisoners per capita than any other nation of the world, more than Stalinist Russia, or Red China during its worst periods. It routinely tortures its Palestinian prisoners, and is in fact the only nation in the modern world that legally sanctions torture. In fact, a Jewish human rights group in Israel confirmed in a 60 page report that 85% of Palestinian detainees undergo torture while in custody. 4 Even a major New York Times article by the Jewish Joel Greenburg, stated matter-of-factly that Israel tortures 500 to 600 Palestinians every month. 5

Israel has targeted and assassinated thousands of Palestinian leaders, and this includes scholars, clerics, businessmen, philosophers and poets, anyone who inspires the Palestinian people to patriotism. These assassinations have occurred all over the world, even in the United States. In the process they have killed many thousands of women and children. They have even repeatedly bombed Palestinian refugee camps packed with women and children.

Not only did they establish their Israeli state over Palestinian land, (in 1948 Palestinians personally owned over 90 percent of it) the Jews took almost all of the Palestinian personal property: the land, farms, homes and businesses. After they drove out the Palestinian refugees and refused their return, they then passed an "abandoned property" law that confiscated Palestinian property and gave to the Jews. The law even has the chutzpah to forbid ever selling any of their stolen land to Palestinians. 6



Former Jewish Secretary of State Madeleine Albright called the death of 500,000 Iraqi children from starvation due to UN sanctions, "acceptable."
In 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon. During their invasion and 18 year occupation an estimated 40,000 civilians died. Israel relentlessly bombed and attacked cities and villages and also many hospitals and orphanages (as documented by the Norwegian Red Cross) and devastated the ancient and once beautiful city of Beirut.

The current Prime Minister of Israel, Ariel Sharon, doesn't dare even step foot in Belgium or the Netherlands, fearing an indictment of the World Court for war crimes. Sharon is responsible for the murder of two thousand of refugees in the Sabra and Shatila camps in Lebanon.

Israel shot down a Libyan passenger airliner over the Sinai Peninsula killing 111 people.

And it is has not just been the Palestinians who have suffered from Israeli terror.

Zionist Terror Against the United States

Americans have also suffered from Zionist terror. In fact, Israel has committed a number of acts of war against the United States.

Israel has a long record of terrorism against the United States going all the way back to 1954. In that year, the Israel government plotted to blow up American installations in Cairo and Alexandria and blame it on Egyptian nationals. By chance the plot failed and was uncovered. It was named the Lavon Affair after the man who supposedly set up the terrorism, Pinhas Lavon, the Israeli Defense Chief. He resigned in 1955 over the incident. 7

In 1967, Israel purposefully attacked with unmarked jet fighters and torpedo boats, the U.S.S. Liberty, an American Navy vessel of the Sinai Peninsula, even machine gunning the deployed life rafts of the ship. The attack killed 31 American servicemen and wounded over 170. 8 They sought to sink the ship, kill all the Americans and blame it on the Egyptians so they could have American support to conquer larger areas of the Arab world.

The attack on the Liberty was nothing short of a vicious act of war against the United States by Israel. In spite of the fact that U.S. Secretary of State Dean Rusk and navy chief Admiral Moorer said that the attack on the USS Liberty by Israel was deliberate. The all-powerful Zionist Lobby prevented a formal Congressional investigation. If the Lobby can even cover up horrendous Israeli crimes against America, it's no wonder they can cover up Israel's endless crimes against the Palestinians. Yet, after the Liberty attack America didn't even reduce our billions of dollars of aid, in fact the story quickly vanished from the news after a few short days.



What is left of the USS Liberty after the Israeli military attacked it on June 8, 1967. Thirty four US soldiers lost their lives.
In 1986 Israel actually caused us to wrongly go to war and militarily attack another nation. The Mossad planted a transmitter in Tripoli, Libya and then broadcast terrorist messages in Libyan code indicating Libyan responsibility for killing two Americans in the bombing of the La Belle discothèque in Germany. 9 (It was later proven that Libya had nothing to do with the bombing) By use of this fraud, Israel induced the American bombing of Libya. American bombs wrecked havoc there. One of those killed was the infant daughter of the Libyan President. It is certainly a dastardly act of war against a nation to induce it into wrongly attacking another nation. Only a truly evil enemy of America would do such a thing.

Every Palestinian and Arab is aware that Israel's half century of terror could never have occurred without the active financial, military, and diplomatic support of the United States. They know that the Jewish Lobby has control of American Mideast Policy and the Zionists can get whatever they want from Congress on issues important to them.

It was American support of Israel's brutal invasion and occupation of Lebanon in the 1980s that led directly to the bombing of the U.S. Marine contingent, killing 300 American young men.

The Involvement of America in Israeli Crimes

Arabs know that almost every bomb that kills their people comes from America, Every bullet, every tank, every fighter plane, is manufactured or paid for by American dollars. It is America's billions of dollars of support that have enabled the Jewish state to terrorize the Arab people for half a century.

Even though Israel invaded Lebanon and killed thousands of civilians, America never threatened to bomb Tel Aviv (as it did Iraq) if Israel refused to obey UN resolutions to withdraw. A comparison of America's reaction to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait to that of Israel's invasion of Lebanon is instructive.

America's one-sided policy foreign policy can be illustrated by the different treatment afforded Israel and Iraq.


Iraq invaded Kuwait. Israel invaded Lebanon.

Perhaps 3000 Kuwait civilians died in the initial war with Iraq. 40,000 Lebanese died from the time of the invasion through the occupation.

Iraq disobeyed UN resolutions to leave Kuwait. Israel disobeyed UN resolutions to leave Lebanon. (for 18 years)

Iraq broke international conventions on chemical, biological and nuclear weapons. Yet Israel is a far greater offender, having one of the greatest stores of chemical, biological and nuclear weapons in the world

Iraq refused UN inspections. Israel has always refused UN inspection.

For these violations we bombed Iraq. In response to Israel's crimes, America just continued to send more billions of dollars.


A Palestinian family sits on the rubble of their home after it was attacked by Israeli bulldozers and tanks at Bait Hanoun north of the Gaza Strip September 15, 2001
American foreign policy was and continues to be Israeli policy. Israel was not threatened with even a cutoff of U.S. aid as thousands of Lebanese civilians died from the Israeli actions. Iraq was once a friend of America with whom we bought oil and did much business. America actually supported Saddam Hussein and Iraq's war with Iran. Iraq did nothing against the United States, but it made the mistake of becoming a strong enemy of Israel. So the Jewish and the Jewish-controlled gentile bureaucrats, and Jewish-dominated media quickly made our former friend, Saddam Hussein, into our archenemy.

We dropped more explosives on Iraq country in a few weeks than we had in the whole of the Second World War. We killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqis including tens of thousands of civilians. Then we engaged in a blockade and embargo of Iraq that even the anti-Iraq United Nations says led to the deaths of at least 1,200,000 children and hundreds of thousands of elderly. Let those Americans who don't understand the why of this terrorism concentrate on this shocking fact. One million, two hundred thousand children have died as a direct result of our policy toward Iraq.

The Jewish Lobby and the Jewish-dominated media are very careful not to let the American people fully understand the real reason for the Iraqi war or the true issues in the Palestinian question. They really don't want Americans to know why so many millions in the Arab world hate us and why the number grows larger every day.

They don't want us to know the real reasons why Americans are so hated -- because it is the Jewish bosses of American foreign policy who are the one's responsible for this growing hatred of America. Imagine the anger and feelings of despair that would drive men to sacrifice their own lives to get at us.

The Zionist bosses know that by America's supporting the criminal policies of Israel spawns hatred against America. They are certainly aware that bombing and going to war against nations solely for Israel's benefit creates dedicated and fanatical enemies against America, enemies who will seek revenge in American blood.

Of course, they never put America's interests first; their own Jewish interests are always paramount. In actuality, they are fully aware that the brutal and stupid acts of terror that recently happened in New York and Washington only help the Zionist cause by engendering enormous American anger at Israeli enemies, and make Americans more easily manipulated to do the bidding of Israel.

Think about who really gained from this terror. Have the Palestinians benefited? This terrorist act destroyed all the progress the Palestinians have recently made with world opinion. It has blinded the world to Israeli terrorism. Israel is the only winner in this tragedy. They will now have a green light to do anything they want against the Palestinians. They can kill any of their foes whether they are violent or non-violent. They will get all the money they want from the American people, and no one will be thinking about their on-going suppression, murder and human rights violations against the Palestinian people.

No, the Zionists are the only benefactors of the horrendous day of terror on September 11, 2001. Ironic isn't it, that although Zionist criminal actions led to this terror, only the Zionists will benefit from it. Of course, they reason they benefit because the American mass media is completely in their hands 10 and it will never ask the proper questions of why these horrendous events are happening. Unfortunately, too few people will ever hear voices such as mine who dare to challenge the Zionist lies.

That's why we are in this mess, because a foreign power has become the most powerful lobby in the American government and controls the direction of the mass communication media in America.

Let me repeat that one more time. The primary reason we are suffering from terrorism in the United States today is because our government policy is completely subordinated to a foreign power: Israel and the efforts of world-wide Jewish Supremacism.

American Flags are flying everywhere in America in the aftermath of the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. That is good, for we need to be more patriotic. If we were more patriotic for the real interests of America rather than for Israel, we would not now suffer from terrorism.

And truly, what could be more patriotic than wanting our own country to be led by our own people in the service of America; not a foreign power or a powerful minority.

Yes, we must fight tooth and nail against any terrorists who attack our country. But, we must understand why this terror is occurring, and how it has been spawned. It has occurred because of long-standing treason against the United States and her people.

What has Zionism cost the American People?

The Jewish Lobby and media power has cost the United States about 6 billion dollars a year in foreign aid and weapons, almost one third of America's entire foreign aid budget during the last half century and as much money spent in America's drug war.

It has poisoned our relations with the oil-rich Mideast nations. In response to our policies, the Arabs came together and developed their "oil weapon" which has cost Americans at least ten at least ten trillion dollars in higher oil costs.

It has alienated the entire Arab world, leading to destruction or confiscation of billions of dollars of American property in those countries, kidnapping of American citizens, and generated enormous hatred for the American people.

How has Israel has paid us back for our support? They have continually spied on us on us (the Jonathan Pollard Case), sold our highest secrets (such as to the biggest nucleur threat to us currently in the world: the Communist Chinese) 11 and stolen our enriched uranium for their illegal nucleur weapons. 12

They have launched terrorist attacks against the United States such as the Lavon Affair and the Attack on the USS Liberty. Both these acts were nothing short of vicious acts of war against the United States. Providing false information for America to wrongly go to war against another country is also nothing less than an Israeli act of war against the United States. Yet, in response to these despicable actions against America, our Zionist controlled leaders did not even reduce our billions of dollars of financial and military aid to Israel. We give Israel about 6 billion dollars in aid each year, that is more than all the nations of Sub-Saharan Africa, the Caribbean and South America.

What is the latest cost of our subservience to the criminal actions of Zionism? The latest price we have paid is the horrendous acts of terrorism on September 11, 2001.

The powerful agents of Israel in American media and government are ultimately responsible for this terror against the United States just as surely as if they themselves had piloted those planes into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.

And now they cynically plan to use the terror that they themselves created to increase the cycle of violence against Israel's enemies. You can be sure that the Zionist powers plan to do far more than simply punish the perpetrators of these events. America will once again be used to strike against whoever Israel wants.

An indiscriminate or intemperate response from America would ultimately produce even more hatred against America, and bring more terroristic acts upon the heads of American people. The increasing cycle of hatred is exactly want the Zionists want, for their aim that we will fight Israel's enemies for them, spilling our blood instead of theirs. They are only ones who truly benefit from America's pain. Rather than Israel, we will pay the ultimate price.

Unless we heal the wounds and give America a better course, every new missile and bomb we send, will come back to us again. Every life we take in foreign lands will result in more American lives lost here and abroad. America will sink more and more into uncertainty and fear.

We must have cool heads now and break this cycle of violence.

Many traitors in our government have supported Zionism's criminal activities rather than the true interests of the American people. They have spawned the hatred that drove these terrible acts. Unless their power is broken Americans will be haunted by an increasing specter of terrorism.

Let us pray for the American victims of these events and for their suffering families. Let us swiftly and harshly punish the perpetrators of these dastardly acts.

But, even more importantly, let us understand why these events occurred and how we can heal the hatred against our nation.

Once we understand the reason why, then we will all agree on the sure way to prevent such terroristic acts in the future.

The solution to this huge problem is extremely obvious and it is very simple.

America must heed the farewell address of the Father of our Country and "avoid foreign entanglements."

And we must always put America and the American People first.

[yuriandropov]

as much as i hate white supremecy, most things in that article were correct. and you have to admire the mans courage in coming out and saying 'why did this happen to us' so soon after the event (4 days). i can imagine this wouldn't be a popular article in the USA but the point can't be ignored. the american jewsih media and the politicians in israli occupied territory (washington) can't keep hiding the oppression of muslims in the middle east. USA's state sponsered terroirism via israel against the palestinian people has gone on for over 50 years. the palestinian and iraqi victims can't be forgot just as the victims of sept 11 can't be forgot.

[queen of diamonds]

definitely....
i think more people need to begin thinking abt this stuff...

[Derar]

That article is VERY true .....

[FtWfTn]

It kept going on and on. . . .i hate That whole white supremist thing. . .but most of the article stated correct facts and views. . and it didn't sound like they were trying to twist things around to make it work for themselves

Unless we understand the why of these terroristic acts, the motivation behind them, we can not prevent a repeat of such terrorism in the future. We Americans must ask ourselves why we now suffer such terror.

When a clock stops, we ask why.

Is it not plugged in? Is the battery dead? Is it broken? If so, why is it broken?

When you have a problem, if you don't ask why and get some good answers and act on them, it will persist. It may well even become a lot worse.

Haven't we been asking why and not getting an answer. . maybe he should have said forced an answer?

[Al Fidai]

I agree with all that ,but most people would never read a white supremist's work,to bad though ,the truth can br found in most unexpected places

The enemy of my enemy is a potential ally

[concerned]

great article. very true

[j]

I really, really, really didn't want to agree with the article because it was written by David Duke. But, alas, I had to. It did have a particularly anti-semetic tone, though.

The unfortunate realization that we come to after reading the article is that it's true. (Although, I don't why the orginal poster was reading white supremist literature......) As true as it is we still need focus on the issue that David Duke and his organization would probably write a diatribe against our beliefs (leftist) if given the chance. (and probably has)

j

[I Will Deny You]

If the US' support for Israel is the most important reason for this incredibly important event in US history, why didn't Duke quote one single person in the entire article? Not Osama bin Laden, a hijacker's diary, a person who knew a hijacker, or any expert on this kind of thing. There really isn't one shred of evidence to support this.

Let's face facts, people. Palestinine has nothing if not a surplus of suicide bombers . . . but not a single one of the 19 hijackers was from Palestine. Why is that?

Duke was right that most people aren't investigating Septermber 11 adequately, but many people who are also have track records for supporting Palestinian rights. When's the last time you saw a pro-Israel article in The Nation? Thought so. So why is it that this magazine, which has written thorough articles on the cause of September 11, hasn't published an article to this effect? It's not as if they're all Zionists . . . who can you name that's published more articles by Edward Said? Where else would you find so many Jews who are more pro-Palestine? And how odd that not a single Palestinian rights activist with a reputation of being a sane person has said this. As far as Jews, Muslims, Israelis and Palestinians are concerned, Duke has been a thousand times more outspoken about his anti-semitism than he has been about his concern for the human rights and safety of the Palestinians.

David Duke's an asshole,
Lindsay

(Edited by I Will Deny You at 3:36 pm on May 9, 2002)

[Valkyrie]

Sorry didn't read the article. Same reason I won't read Mein Kampf. I just want to say - be careful people. I assume you all know that David Duke was formerly a Grand Imperial Wizard of the Klu Klux Klan and ran for the US presidency in the mid to late 80's. (that's democracy in Amerikka for you!) Obviously his hateful views have not changed although he claims to distance himself from his previous incarnation. They're a very slick bunch in getting their propaganda across to unsuspecting mainstream Amerikka. The current ploy is to target children with websites that contain racist-oriented computer games and try to appear more palatable by dispensing with the white sheet and burning cross, donning instead the respectable corporate business suit and brief case. It's not surprising he would be aligning himself with what the majority of the US thinks about the 9-11 attack. The more people he can sympatically connect with, the more his white agenda gains acceptance. And next thing he will be sitting in the White House, (no pun intended) David Duke is not only an asshole, but pure scum of the earth.

[red senator]

Well, David Duke said pretty mich what evryone on this board said about the Israeli/palestinian problem, the only difference is that he came out and said that the media was controlled by zionist jews. The thing is, I know he hates muslims just as much as jews. I am surprised he didn't take the sept. 11 opprotunity to condemn muslims and then come back a few months later to blame the jews.

Forgive me if that sounded racist, because I am just trying to tell you that his writing and shit is just a way for him to instill hatred to the non-aryan races, not convey factual and reasonable information.

He used to be an elected representative in my state. I still see a David Duke bumper sticker every once in a while.

[Reuben]

I cant believe some people are taking tseriously and even agreeing with that racist shit.

David Duke is a died in the wool anti-semite in this article. He is simply repeating the same antisemitic muyhts such as Jewish control of the media and sometimes being careful to use zonist as a euphemism.

This guy is a racist and I cant believe you are taking notice of him.

Check out this article

in which he attakcks jews vicciously for their involvement in communism (this guy is incredibly anti-communist) saying things like "Jews dominated the International Communist movement in modern times just as they had led Bolshevism in Russia early in the 20th century."


The only good things he says about jews, relate to their extensive involvement in the civil rights movement. ALthough he is not presenting them as a good thing, being a racist.

Of his various sub-headings detaling the different movements which he blames on the jews he includes Communist Ideology and Race, the civil rights movement and feminism.

[Reuben]

sprry the address of the article is http://www.martinlutherking.org/ma-chapter18.htm
you must check it out.


from yupandripov: the american jewsih media and the politicians in israli occupied territory (washington) can't keep hiding the oppression of muslims in the middle east.

is this a reference to ZOG becaus it bloody seems that way. This talk about the jewish mefdia and jewish lobby is based on the conspiracy theory.

I myself attack the ZIONIST lobby in america. Yet when you are blaming all jews, your attacks indict, not only the zionist (many of whom are actually christian, but you are also attacking me as a jewish anti-zionist.

ANd please do not repeat the conspiracy theory. It is done enough damage since it was invented by the tsarist police, and has served as the most dangerous ever mandate for genocide.

[vox]

I'm completely with Reuben on this one. Duke, using the traditional style of racists, takes a few facts chosen for their incendiary quality (leaving out anything else), uses unsubstantiated but common phrases (like "Jewish-dominated media") and proceeds to spin a web of conspiracy that doesn't really stand up on its own. He's Pat Robertson by any other name.

There is so much blame to be passed around in the Middle East that every one is tainted. The Isrealis have done horrible things. The Palestinians have done horrible things. While I would like to see an end to the occupation, and certainly the immediate stop of new settlements being constructed in occupied territories, it's far too simplistic to paint the Palestinians as good and the Isrealis as bad. Certainly, Sharon is a terrible man, I think that history shows this, but how much good can be said about Arafat?

As a Marxist, I have to wonder about the unquestioning support so many on the Left give to Arafat. Perhaps someone can help me with this. Who in the Middle East has truly tried to help both the Israeli and the Palestinian proletariat?

vox

[El Che]

Arafat is unimportante. What is importante is the palestinian right to self determination and their right to their own land. Thats the only thing that matters. And I can only speak for my self when I say that knowing the enormity of the injustice of the palestinian case, and seeing how its is portaryed and discussed in the media just fills me with emtions of anger that sometimes dangerously cloud my judgement.

(Edited by El Che at 12:19 am on May 10, 2002)

[vox]

El Che,

Point taken. I suppose that I have the same reaction when I see someone like Duke getting any sort of support. This is the same David Duke that marched in a Nazi uniform, complete with swastika armband, carrying a sign that read "Gas the Chicago 7." I find him loathsome and despicable.

I tend to stay out of threads about the Middle East, for I can't fully support either side. Like I said, there's plenty of blame to go around. But when Duke starts in about a Zionist conspiracy and "world-wide Jewish Supremacism" I can't remain silent.

Lest anyone think that Duke is the friend of the working class, read this, written by John Paul Jones, linked on Dukes official website:

"Once again May Day (May 1st --the original workers' day in Europe) has resulted in global violence. Anarchists, Communists, immigrants and common criminals have marred the traditional European labor day with gratuitous violence. These rabble turn out every year in the world's major cities to riot and loot. They have nothing to do with political protest whatsoever. It is about the destruction of society, business and order. It is taken as a matter of course that these "demonstrations" will turn violent and the police forces of the world must mobilize huge resources in an attempt to curb the violence."

Jones, apparently, doesn't realize that May Day started in the US as a result of the Haymarket Tragedy.

Or this, from an essay by Dr. Hans von Ohain suggesting vote fraud in France during the recent election:

"The Jews are the most dishonest race on the planet. They have used their mass media to brainwash White nations into wars so that Jewish bankers and munitions makers would make fantastic profits as millions of innocents died. Committing vote fraud is as troubling to the Jewish conscience as jaywalking at midnight would be to an ordinary person."

Duke has surprisingly little material of his own on his site, but clicking of "breaking news" in the site map section redirects you to www.whitecivilrights.com, so one may comfortably say that this represents Duke's position (though the address that displays in the status bar is for a page at www.duke.org).

I just can't tolerate white supremecist propaganda.

vox

[FtWfTn]

I just can't tolerate white supremecist propaganda.

vox

I'll agree with that!

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from vox on 8:42 pm on May 9, 2002
This is the same David Duke that marched in a Nazi uniform, complete with swastika armband, carrying a sign that read "Gas the Chicago 7."
Well, to his credit, at least it didn't say "Gas the Chicago 8".

Those white supremacists are pretty lazy . . . they had their window of opportunity for two entire weeks after the trial started to condemn a black leader and two Jewish "leaders" (and Lee Weiner, who was Jewish but was only a marshal and not an organizer). There are rumors that Froines was an anti-semite and that's why Weiner usually sided with Hoffman and Rubin even though, politically, he was much closer to Davis (who was not Jewish!) and Hayden. I never thought the Marshalls were Dellinger's most brilliant plan, anyway.

Hoffman and Rubin got it right. They exploited anti-semitic paranoia and idiocy to make a bunch of greedy stock market suits look like assholes, and supported the idea of a Palestinian state.

Gas the Ku Klux Klan,
Lindsay

[El Brujo]

The enemy of our enemy is NOT our friend, people. Once Israel is defeated and there is a Palestinian state, this same dipshit will resume calling the Palestinians "sandniggers" and "arab jockeys". Fuck his fat, redneck ass.

[queen of diamonds]

Quote:(Although, I don't why the orginal poster was reading white supremist literature......)


true, i probably owe some sort of explanation for that - i'm looking for any evidence (purely out of curiousity) which may support the nazi claim that there never was a holocaust.....haven't found any yet

[queen of diamonds]

Rueben, i couldn't get that link to work - can you give me a brief run down on what the article was?

maybe i'm missing something here, being non-american, but....chicago 8?

[Reuben]

OK this isthe article. I am a bit worried abnout giving this guy a second airing given some of the respnses but you need to read this to know where this guy is coming from - and do not take any of it as fact, the whole jeish conspiracy theory in the first place came out of a forgery by tsarist police. The sit this is on, is a site made to taint the reputation of MLK

look at the stuff entitld communist ideology and race


My Awakening: Chapter 18

Jews, Communism and Civil Rights

by David Duke

The following is a Chapter from European American civil rights activist David Duke's ground breaking autobiography, "My Awakening". This chapter helps to shed light on many aspect of the so-called "civil rights" movement that have never before been seen.


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The eccentric woman in the Citizens Council office, who railed about the Jews and Communism, obviously had some of her facts right, even if she seemed to fit the media stereotype of the anti-Semite. The facts were inescapable: Communism and Zionism were born from the same Jewish soul, personified in Moses Hess.

I slowly became aware of a dual morality permeating Jewish-Gentile relations. Jews practiced one morality for themselves and preached another for the non-Jewish world. Their own morality of racial pride taught solidarity, tradition and self-interest. But they preached diversity and liberalism for their perceived competitors. If such dualism did not exist, how could the Jewish-dominated American media:

Support the nation of Israel, which promotes Judaism in its schools, while opposing even the singing of Christmas carols in American public schools?
Support the nation of Israel, which has strictly segregated schools, communities, and facilities for Jews and Arabs - while condemning segregated schools and housing in America and South Africa?
Support the nation of Israel, with its restrictive "Jews only" immigration laws, while subverting American attempts to curtail even illegal immigration?
Support the nation of Israel, which allows every Jewish citizen to carry a machine gun if desired, while advocating strict gun control for American citizens?
Support the nation of Israel, which openly states its mission to preserve the Jewish people and heritage, while condemning Whites who would dare to advocate the preservation of the White race and Western culture in America?
Always paint the historical relations between Jews and Gentiles with the Gentiles as evildoers and the Jews as innocent victims, while condemning White people for even defending themselves from such Jewish depiction?
The moral hypocrisy became obvious. Powerful Jews advocate one morality for Jews; the opposite for Gentiles. If their policies of solidarity are morally good for them, why would they not be morally good for us as well? Why the double standard? If "White racists" are morally reprehensible, why are not Jewish supremacists reprehensible as well?

While Herzl and other Zionists feverishly gathered worldwide Jewish support for the establishment of the exclusively Jewish state, Jewish activists were busy trying to negate the Christian component of American culture and remove even Christmas carols from our schools. While they trumpet their belief that they are a "Chosen People" above all others, and celebrate a unique people defined by heritage from Abraham to the present - they tell White people that race consciousness is evil. While they established a Jewish nation where citizenship is based almost exclusively on the heredity of the "Jewish people," Jewish anthropologists promote the idea that the White race doesn't exist. Even though they devotedly support their own exclusively Jewish-run state of Israel, they work feverishly to undermine the White control and character of America through the "civil-rights" movement and massive non-White immigration. While they have laws in Israel prohibiting Gentiles from owning certain media, they boldly move to gain control of the great majority of the mass media in America.

Communist Ideology and Race

Mattie Smith told me that the Jews had the leading role in the efforts to destroy the very underpinnings of our race and our heritage. I had read that Jews were the leaders of the academic movement promoting the idea that races are equal in their physical and mental abilities. In looking into the foundations of racial egalitarianism, I found that adherents of international Communism pioneered the modern notions of racial equality. In America, Marxist organizations quickly gained ascendancy in the remnants of the old abolitionist movements. In South Africa, they led the fight for full "democratic" rights for the Blacks. Across the world, Communism allied itself with non-White peoples and their struggle for "liberation from White imperialism, colonialism, and oppression." I soon found out that Jews dominated the International Communist movement in modern times just as they had led Bolshevism in Russia early in the 20th century.

Jewish scribe Nathan Glazer stated matter-of-factly that in the 60s and 70s the Jews comprised half of all the active Communists in the United States and four out of five of its leaders. Two Jews, Jerry Rubin and Abbie Hoffman, led the Marxist-Oriented, Yippie Movement, and they were two of the five Jewish members of the revolutionary "Chicago Seven" group - tried for the violent disruption of the 1968 Democratic Convention. I read a book called Behind Communism, and I was surprised to discover that at least 4 out of 5 of all those caught and convicted of Communist espionage and treason in the United States and Canada were Jews.

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg
Probably the most infamous act of treason in American history was the theft of the atomic bomb secrets by Ethel and Julius Rosenberg. They were part of the Fuchs-Gold spy ring that operated in and around the Manhattan Project and other branches of the American atomic weapons program. Seven members of the Fuchs-Gold ring pled guilty to charges associated with espionage. They were Klaus Fuchs, Harry Gold, David Greenglass, Abraham Brothman, Miriam Moskowitz, Sidney Weinbaum, and Alfred Slack. Another suspect, Morton Sobell, fled to Mexico, but Mexican authorities turned him over to the United States to face trial and subsequent conviction. A jury also convicted the Rosenbergs, and they were executed. Of the ten spies most responsible for the selling of our atomic secrets to the Soviets, only one, Alfred Slack, was a Gentile.

Other major spy cases included the Amerasia Case, the Gerhart Eisler Case, the Judith Coplin Case, and the Alger Hiss Case. Jews figured prominently in these cases and made up a clear majority of the defendants. The only prominent non-Jewish spy was Alger Hiss. In the Hollywood Ten Case, The House of Representatives convicted ten of Hollywood's leading film writers of contempt of Congress. They appeared before the House Committee on Un-American Activities and refused to testify when asked if they were Communists. Jewish publications alleged the committee ruined the writers for no apparent reason. Recently a number of movies have been made defending the Hollywood Ten as unjustly and unfairly persecuted, yet six of the ten proved to be dues-paying members of the Communist Party. The other four had records of many Communist-front activities and connections. Nine of the ten were of Jewish heritage.

While Jewish Marxists pursued the political part of the "civil-rights" effort, they pushed just as hard in the academic realm. Until the 1930s the biological sciences recognized the different races of mankind as surely as they did the different species and subspecies of the animal kingdom - that is, as commentator Kevin Strom says, "Until the egalitarian political wind blew into American academia, propelled by a clever, connected, and well-heeled minority with an agenda."

I began to realize that the drive for race-mixing did not find its source in the Black people of America. Most Blacks were content to be separate, although they certainly wanted economic and social advancement. The most popular Black leader in the early part of the 20th century was the Black separatist Marcus Garvey, who sought repatriation for Blacks back to Africa and the foundation of a new Black nation. Against this movement of Black separatism and the effort of European Americans to preserve White America there rose a minority with an entirely different agenda.

The Racial Egalitarian Dogma

Franz Boas is the accepted father of the modern egalitarian school of anthropology. He was a Jewish immigrant from Germany with little formal training in the anthropological field, having done his doctoral thesis on the color of water. Boas introduced what he called "cultural anthropology" to the discipline. Until his arrival, anthropology fell in the realm of physical science. Boas effectively divided anthropology into the separate disciplines of cultural and physical anthropology.

Early physical anthropologists were truly race scientists because they studied man and his evolutionary development through the study of the measurable physical characteristics of the human races, past and present. Any good physical anthropologist could pick up a human skull and, based on its characteristics, quickly identify the race of the specimen. Of course, this physiological knowledge was vital in sorting out the unearthed remnants of early man and piecing together man's prehistory and evolutionary development. Cultural anthropology dealt more with the different contemporary cultures of mankind and culturally related questions of antiquity and prehistory, making it a far less precise science, and one open to wide interpretation.

Surprisingly, before he became such a prominent anthropologist, Boas expressed his acceptance of racial differences in mental characteristics. In The Mind of Primitive Man, he wrote:

Differences of Structure must be accompanied by differences of function, physiological as well as psychological; and, as we found clear evidence of differences in structure between races, so we must anticipate that the differences in mental characteristics will be found.
Both of Boas' parents were radical socialists in the revolutionary movement that swept over Europe in 1870. In his biography of Boas, his student Melville Herskovits wrote that Boas' political sympathies "leaned towards a variety of socialism." The United States House of Representatives cited Boas' involvement with 44 Communist-front organizations. Coinciding with the rise of Nazism in Germany and the increasing influence of racially aware anthropologists in the world scientific community, Boas began to marshal his anthropological influence in service of his political sympathies. He began to advance the quack idea that there are really no such things as individual human races. He argued that although they had variations of skin colors and features, the groups called races possessed little difference genetically and that, whatever their superficial differences, solely their environment created them. By 1938 Boas dropped the above quotation from the new edition of his book.

He gathered many Jewish disciples around him, including Gene Weltfish, Isador Chein, Melville Herskovits, Otto Klineberg, and Ashley Montagu. He also had among his followers the Negro K. B. Clark and two women, Ruth Benedict and Margaret Mead. Mead later wrote her famous book on Samoa (Coming of Age in Samoa) suggesting that indiscriminate sexual relations would lessen teenage traumas and problems. (Her opus was later soundly refuted by Derek Freeman, who showed that Mead had falsified her data on Samoa.)

Boas and his entire cadre of disciples had extensive Communist connections. He repeatedly proclaimed that he was in a "holy war against racism" and he died suddenly during a luncheon where once again and for the last time, he stressed the need to fight "racism." Boas and his comrades gained control over the anthropology departments of most universities by encouraging their egalitarian comrades to always use their positions to support their own in academic appointments. While traditional anthropologists had no ax to grind and no sacred cause to champion, Boas and his followers embarked on a holy mission to extirpate racial knowledge from the academic establishment. They succeeded.

Whenever egalitarians achieved positions of influence or power, they aided their comrades to rise in the teaching departments of the colleges and academic departments they administered. They could count on fellow Jews who held influential university positions to assist their co-religionists, as well as Gentile egalitarians, in getting professorships and research appointments and promotions. Similar collusion took place in the ranks and on the boards of anthropological associations and journals. However, the coup de grâce was the massive support given the egalitarian dogma by the media establishment, which was overwhelmingly in Jewish hands.

Racial equality was (and still is) presented to the public as scientific fact, opposed only by the "bigoted" and the "ignorant." Egalitarian writers such as Ashley Montagu and others received great praise in magazines, newspapers, and, later on television. Whether one was a Jew or a Gentile, professing a belief in racial equality became essential dogma for anyone who wanted to advance in anthropology or any other part of the academic world. Adherence to the "politically correct" line led to prestige and acclaim, money and success. Racial truth-telling led to personal attack and often economic hardship.

Ashley Montagu became the best-known spokesman for the equality hoax, superseding Boas as the most popular exponent of antiracism. His well-modulated British accent and aristocratic name added instant credibility to his racial pronouncements. I can still, after thirty years, remember his impressive appearances on the Today television program. His book, Race: Man's Most Dangerous Myth, became the bible of equality, and it profoundly impressed me before I had a chance to read the other side. Montagu's real name was Israel Ehrenberg. In a brilliant exercise of psychological camouflage, Ehrenberg changed his name a number of times, finally settling on not simply an Anglo-Saxon moniker, but the name Montagu, which is one of Britain's most aristocratic and oldest medieval-titled families.

By the late 1990s, Jewish writers began to brazenly write about their domination of American anthropology. In a 1997 edition of American Anthropologist, which is published by the American Anthropological Association, Jewish scholar Gelya Frank writes that egalitarian American anthropology was so thoroughly Jewish that it should be classed as "part of Jewish History." Frank goes on to admit that anthropology is in the service of a social agenda and that her essay focuses on Jewish anthropologists who are "concerned with turning multiculturalist theories into agendas for activism." The same breed of anthropologists who so fervently declare that "there is no such thing as race" concerning Blacks and Whites are now hypocritically affirming the unique genetic homogeneity of Jews. Moreover, increasing numbers of Jewish anthropologists have come out of the closet in celebration of their special genetic and cultural heritage.

As far as Blacks and Whites are concerned, egalitarianism still dominates. Richard Lewontin, Leon Kamin and Stephen Jay Gould, are its three self-acknowledged Marxist Jews and the leading academic exponents of egalitarianism. In spite of an avalanche of fresh scientific data proving the vital role of genes in producing individual and group differences, racial egalitarianism is still the holy writ of anthropology and human psychology as characterized by the popular media. The writings of Lewontin, Kamin, Gould, Rose, and other egalitarians frequently appear in the pages of magazines such as the Smithsonian, Natural History, Nature, Discover, Time, Newsweek, and other wide-circulation publications. Television programs often interview them as "authorities" on the subject of race - and seldom are their opponents allowed to challenge them. Most of the leading egalitarian spokesmen are self-described Marxists, a slight detail seldom mentioned in the media. Imagine if they were self-proclaimed Nazis; I suspect the reaction to them would be very different.

Despite the well-organized "part of Jewish history" control of anthropology, the scientific affirmation of race is growing so quickly that the popular egalitarians may not be able to hold back the scientific tide much longer. There has never been a greater disparity between scientific and popular understanding.

The Freudian Assault

Psychology fell to the Jewish onslaught just as anthropology had. From the days of Sigmund Freud, psychology became defined as the "Jewish science." One of his Jewish biographers put it this way:

History made psychoanalysis a "Jewish science." It continued to be attacked as such. It was destroyed in Germany, Italy, and Austria and exiled to the four winds, as such. It continues even now to be perceived as such by enemies and friends alike. Of course there are by now distinguished analysts who are not Jews. . . . But the vanguard of the movement over the last fifty years has remained predominantly Jewish as it was from the beginning.
Since the Great Depression, academic psychology discounted the impact of heredity and attributed almost all individual human behavioral patterns and mental ability to environmental conditioning. They claimed that environment rather than heredity is really the source of all mental and behavioral differences among the races. But, not only did the theories of Freud and his disciples attack the principles of race, they made a broadside attack on the spiritual and moral values of European civilization. Freud suggested that our Christian sexual morality was the cause of mental illness on a grand scale. He relentlessly undermined the concepts of sexual fidelity and the foundations of marriage. In 1915 he stated:

Sexual morality - as society, in its extreme form, the American, defines it - seems to me very contemptible. I advocate an incomparably freer sexual life.
In Moses and Monotheism (1939) Freud repeatedly attacks Christianity while promoting the spiritual supremacy of the Jewish people.

The people, happy in their conviction of possessing the truth, overcome by the consciousness of being the chosen, came to value highly all intellectual and ethical achievements.

The Christian religion did not keep to the lofty heights of spirituality to which the Jewish religion had soared - Sigmund Freud
Just as the Communist Jews had a political war with the Czars of Russia, Freudians pursued a cultural war against Western Christian culture. Kevin MacDonald, in his classic study of Jewish ethnocentrism, A People That Shall Dwell Apart, points out that Freud's Totem and Taboo reveals his role in the cultural war against Gentiles:

Freud's speculations clearly had an agenda. Rather than provide speculations which reaffirmed the moral and intellectual basis of the culture of his day, his speculations were an integral part of his war on gentile culture - so much so that he viewed Totem and Taboo as a victory over Rome and the Catholic Church.
Freud reveled in what he saw as his war against Christendom, which he compared with the Roman Empire, and suggested that he was like his idol Hannibal and was meant to sack Rome.

Hannibal. . . had been the favourite hero of my later school days. . . . I began to understand for the first time what it meant to belong to an alien race . . . the figure of the semitic general rose still higher in my esteem. To my youthful mind Hannibal and Rome symbolized the conflict between the tenacity of Jewry and the organisation of the Catholic Church . . .
Freud makes his Jewish supremacist viewpoint very clear in a letter to a Jewish woman who intended to conceive a child by a Gentile to heal the split in psychoanalysis. His words were:

I must confess...that your fantasy about the birth of the Savior to a mixed union did not appeal to me at all. The Lord, in that anti-Jewish period, had him born from the superior Jewish race. But I know these are my prejudices.
A year later the same woman gave birth to a child fathered by a Jew. Freud responded

I am, as you know, cured of the last shred of my predilection for the Aryan cause, and would like to take it that if the child turned out to be a boy he will develop into a stalwart Zionist. He or she must be dark in any case, no more towheads. Let us banish all these will-o'-the-wisps!

I shall not present my compliments to Jung in Munich, as you know perfectly well....We are and remain Jews. The others will only exploit us and will never understand and appreciate us. (quoted in Yerushalmi 1991, 45).
Not only did Freud consciously launch an attack on our cultural values, he conveniently labeled opponents of that assault as mentally ill. In Moses and Monotheism, Freud portrays anti-Semitism as a mental illness that arises out of jealousy of Jewish ethical supremacy.

On the deck of a ship steaming toward the United States, Freud commented to his friends that the people of America thought he was bringing them a panacea, but instead he said, "We are bringing them the plague."

The Civil-Rights Movement

Just as Jewish academics lead the scholastic fight for egalitarianism in science and sociology, and Jewish media moguls lead the propaganda fight, the "civil-rights" movement itself found most of its leadership and financial support in the Jewish community.

Almost from the first day of its inception in 1909, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) was the premier organization working for a racially mixed American society. Interestingly enough, the founding board of directors had only one prominent Black, W. E. B. Dubois (who was actually a Mulatto). Most of the board consisted of Jewish Marxist ideologues. The U.S. House of Representatives and many state investigative bodies thoroughly documented the fact that all of the NAACP's founders were activists in the Communist cause. Dubois even chose Communist Ghana as his burial site.


NAACP leader Kivie Kaplan
The NAACP's first president was Arthur Spingarn, and only Jews served as NAACP presidents from its founding until the 1970s. Noel Spingarn succeeded his brother, Arthur, and following him, Kivie Kaplan reigned over the organization. The Jewish leadership of the NAACP was little known by the public at large. When I came of age, the only name I heard associated with the NAACP was Roy Wilkins, who was its Black national secretary. Because he was so much in the press and public eye, like most Americans, I thought Wilkins was the NAACP leader. But Kaplan was the actual NAACP president during that time. Benjamin Hooks became the first Black president finally in the 1970s. Once a Black finally made it to the presidency of the organization, no longer did the public hear much about the NAACP "national secretary." From then on the public spokesman was the NAACP president.

In the recent Black-Jewish split, liberal Jews are quick to cry foul at Black resentment against them by reciting the fact that the lion's share of the financing of the Black cause has come from Jews. They also boast that at least 90 percent of the civil-rights legal effort has come from Jewish attorneys and has long been supported by Jewish money.

Practically every step of the civil-rights movement's progress came through the courts. They decreed forced racial integration of the schools, enabled illiterate Blacks to vote, and ultimately forced upon America the massive anti-White discrimination program with the Orwellian name "affirmative action." Here, too, Jews took the predominant roles.

The organization that fought many of these battles was the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, an organization separate from the NAACP itself. At this writing, Jews still lead it. Jake Greenberg has been active in the legal fund for years and was the chief attorney for Brown in the famous Supreme Court case Brown v Board of Education. In that nefarious decision, the Supreme Court - in one devastating stroke of the pen - initiated the transformation of the American public educational system from one of the best in the world to one of the worst in the First World.

Even in the areas where Jews were not the actual leaders, they provided much of the behind-the-scenes influence. Martin Luther King Jr. fell under the guidance of Stanley Levinson, who wrote many of King's speeches, including, some say, the "I Have a Dream" speech delivered at the March on Washington. John and Robert Kennedy warned King to disassociate himself from Levinson because of Levinson's Communist record. King, however, found Levinson invaluable and refused. The Student Non-Violent Coordinating Committee (SNCC) and the Congress of Racial Equality (CORE) also had key Jewish involvement in their formative periods, and most of the nominally White "Freedom Riders" that went South were Jews. The famous case of the three Freedom Riders killed in Philadelphia, Mississippi, involved Schwerner, Goodman, and Chaney - two Jews and one Black.

The public image of the man who called himself "Martin Luther King" (his legal name was Michael King) is a textbook illustration of the power of the media to influence America. Most people still do not know of the extent of King's involvement in Communism, in part because the media continues to ignore King's long record of Communist associations. King privately declared himself to be a Marxist, and told his inner circle that his efforts were a part of the "class struggle." His personal secretary, Bayard Rustin, was a Communist. When King had to replace Rustin in 1961, he chose another Communist, Jack O'Dell. His main advisor ("handler" would probably be a more apt term), as I've mentioned, was Jewish Communist Stanley Levinson, who edited and probably wrote a good deal of King's book Stride Toward Freedom. Levinson prepared King's income tax returns, controlled King's fundraising activities, and was also in charge of funneling Soviet money to the Communist Party, USA.

Only recently has it been revealed that King plagiarized large sections of his doctoral thesis. Boston University formed a committee to determine the extent of King's plagiarism. It determined that 45 percent of the first part and 21 percent of the second part were taken from other authors. Schools regularly revoke degrees on discovery of far less cheating, but the importance of King to the civil-rights movement prevented the revocation of his divinity degree.

The media have always carefully portrayed King as a good Christian family man - the epitome of a man of God. But King had dozens of liaisons with prostitutes, White and Black, used church money to pay them and commonly beat them - all documented by the FBI and admitted by King associates.

King even spent the night before his assassination copulating with and beating White prostitutes. On the FBI surveillance tapes the "Reverend King" can be heard during intercourse to say, " I'm f---ing for God!" and "I'm not a Negro tonight!" The King records are so damning that the tapes and other FBI documents were sealed for 50 years. Despite these facts, King's Jewish handlers and their allies in the media were steadfast in their laudatory portrayal of King.

Jewish and Black relations have become strained in recent years as Black political sympathies have become more nationalistic in their own right. Jewish association with Black civil-rights causes originated from the days when many Communists saw the Blacks as potential revolutionaries for Communist uprising. The Communists in their creation of the Soviet State temporarily won the Jewish fraternal struggle between Zionism and Communism that Winston Churchill described in 1920. Radical American Jews envisioned the Blacks as an American proletariat, a transatlantic version of the oppressed serfs of Russia that could be utilized as allies helping to usher in a Communist revolution. Of course, even non-Communist Jews tended to support a non-racial definition of "American," since they more than anyone are aware of their status as outsiders in White society. This led almost all organized Jewish factions to support the dismantling of the laws and traditions that supported the continued existence of our race.

Zionism over Marxism

After the Second World War, two major factors began to pull the Jews away from Communism: the Russification of the Soviet State and the establishment of the state of Israel.

To fight the Germans, Stalin and the Soviet regime motivated the Russian people by calling on their deep patriotic feelings. Stalin himself, one of the most paranoid and ruthless leaders of all time, skillfully played one Jewish faction against the other until he emerged as the unquestioned authority in Russia. Leon Trotsky (Lev Bronstein), Stalin's chief rival, was forced into exile and later murdered by the Russian NKVD. Although individual Jews remained pivotal in his regime, Stalin saw all Jewish alliances as a threat to his own power. He brutally repressed any potential threat he could find, and he turned the Soviet Union to a more nationalistic course. The anthem of Soviet Communism, the egalitarian and anti-nationalist "Internationale," was replaced by a traditional Russian hymn.

Affirmative action for Jewish Communists in the early days of the revolution was replaced by a merit system in universities and the military. A lot of Stalin's maneuvers against the Jews did not become clear until long after the Second World War, and many Jews had reluctance to believe that they had lost control of the Soviet regime. Even into the late 1960s, in most countries other than Russia, Jews still constituted the majority of Marxist leadership around the world - including the United States. Many of these Jewish Communists, though, had become somewhat anti-Russian and now called themselves Trotskyites. Only a few Jewish radicals held onto the Communist vision as expressed in Russia; most others reached for a new Marxist ideology rooted in egalitarianism and, while holding onto the social tenants of Communism, began a migration to capitalist economics.

While these factors occurred in the Soviet Union, the state of Israel was created, and it seemed that the old, ethnocentric, and orthodox prophecies were finally coming about. For 2,000 years Jews had uttered the prayer "Next year in Jerusalem." Suddenly, any Jew could go to a Jerusalem once more under their direct political control. During these years, America witnessed the transformation of many New Left Jewish radicals. Norman Podhoretz and Commentary magazine, for example, shifted from Communist apologist to capitalist advocate - from an anti-Vietnam War dove to an unmitigated Israeli hawk. In the 1970s, a flood of these New Right Jews flooded into the "conservative movement," adapting to the tenants of economic conservatism but adding the elements of social liberalism, egalitarianism, the New World Order, and, of course, super-Zionism. Jews filtered into organizations of every conceivable political stripe, espousing different viewpoints but always keeping a keen eye for the interests of the Jews and the Israeli State.

Feminism

Simultaneous with the sacrifice of our nation upon the alter of an impossible Black "equality," came the promotion for the equally fictitious idea of sexual "equality." Women were told that they were psychologically the same as men but were just socially conditioned by their environment to be wives and mothers instead of research scientists and captains of industry. Not only did the "women's liberationists" try to convince women that nurturing and inculturating the next generation was less important than sweating on an assembly line or sweating the "bottom line" in an executive suite, they went much further by decrying the role of wife and mother altogether.

Freud also contributed to the destruction of the family in his endorsement of the supposed sexual liberation of sexual promiscuity. One of the strengths of the West has always been high-investment parenting as compared to the Third World. Freud and his Jewish purveyors of psychoanalysis conflated sex and love and justified the destruction of the family unit on issues such as unsatisfactory sexual gratification.

Women's liberation has completely restructured the American family, as most wives and mothers have been forced into the job market by the new economic standards, resulting in fewer role choices for women. Many researchers say the creation of millions of "working" mothers has had a deleterious effect on family stability and child development. As a result many women are now struggling as the sole provider for themselves and their children, and the ones in stable families often find themselves stressed and debilitated by having to do both the traditional women's roles in the home and working eight hours a day outside of it.

The most prominent of the modern feminists were Gloria Steinem, Betty Friedan, and Bella Abzug. Interestingly, all three came from one of the most sexually repressive religions on Earth: Judaism. A Hole in the Sheet by Evelyn Kaye, who grew up in an Orthodox home, illustrates the demeaning and often disrespectful position of women in the Jewish faith and the hatred expressed toward Gentiles outside of it. She discusses the Bar Mitzvah and the completely ascendant role of the male and writes the following:

During the prayers which a Jewish man recites every morning are a series of blessings, which include: "Thank you, Lord, for not making me a non-Jew, for not making me a slave, for not making me a woman."

In Susan Weidman Schneider's book Jewish and Female, Rabbi Laura Geller comments: "Menstrual taboos are responsible for real damage to Jewish women's views of themselves and their bodies. I have met many women who learned nothing about the Torah except that they could not touch the Torah because they menstruate. . . . Their sense of themselves as 'inferior' Jews has already permeated their relationship to tradition and their own bodies.
Kaye also bravely comments on the anti-Gentile nature of Jewish Orthodoxy.

The final turning point for me was anti-Goyism.

The mark of a truly devout Hasidic or Orthodox Jew, as well as many other Jews, is an unquestioned hatred of non-Jews. This is the foundation of the ultra-Orthodox and Hasidic philosophy. It's as tenacious, unreasoned and impossible as anti-Semitism, racism, and sexism. And as intractable.

What it says is that all non-Jews, or Goyim as the word is in Yiddish since it's the plural of "Goy," are wicked, evil and untrustworthy.

There is a complete litany of all the terrible things about non-Jews which apply to every single one and which are believed implicitly by the Orthodox. These include:

- All Goyim drink alcohol and are always drunk;

- All Goyim are on drugs;

- All Goyim hate Jews even when they seem to be friendly;

- All Goyim are anti-Semites, no matter what they say or do;

- All Goyim have a terrible family life and mistreat their wives and children;

- All Goyim eat pork all the time;

- Goyim are never as clever, as kind, as wise or as honest as Jews;

- You can never trust the Goyim.

There's much more. But the essence of anti-Goyism is passed to Jewish children with their mother's milk, and then nurtured, fed and watered carefully into full-blown phobias throughout their lives.
The Talmud often characterizes women as unclean, whores, and as deceitful, lower beings. It even has long passages that justify adult males having sexual relations with little girls. Women are segregated in the Orthodox synagogue. Women are almost as reviled as Gentiles. Note the following talmudic references, starting with the prayer to which Kaye refers:

Blessed be thou. . .who has not made me a goy. . . who has not made me a woman, and who has made me an Israelite. . .who has not made me a slave. Judah Ben Ilai

When a grown up man has intercourse with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this [three years old], it is as if one puts the finger into the eye, tears come to the eye,… [footnote] (7) again and again but eyesight returns, so does virginity come back to the little girl under three years. (Kethuboth 11b)

A maiden aged three years and one day may be acquired in marriage by coition. (Sanhedrin 55b and 69a-69b) and (Yebamoth 57b 58a, 60b)
Yet, the Jewish high priestesses of women's liberation have made few inroads in reforming those inequities. Only the Reform part of Judaism puts women on somewhat of an equal footing. But Israel is an Orthodox-run Jewish nation, and nearly all the Reform and Conservative organizations around the world support Israel wholeheartedly. The question of ethnic heritage far overshadows any doctrinal debate. It is ironic that women from the religious culture having the most demeaning attitude toward women, should focus their efforts on promoting a sexual revolution among those of European descent. It seems to me that their time could be better spent addressing the rank inequities in their own backyard.

No Third World society on Earth venerates women, womanhood and motherhood as much as Western Christian civilization. No dark races accord women as much freedom and respect. In most Third World nations, women are treated much like chattel property. Millions are sexually mutilated with female circumcision and infibulation. Physical abuse is commonplace. Women routinely provide almost all their own and their children's sustenance in Africa, where the normal behavior of the male is to sexually play - but seldom stay.

The purposely-induced antagonism between the sexes divides White Americans when it is more important than ever that we are united. The wedge driven between White men and women often divides our vote and helps minority and pro-minority candidates to win elections. Women are deceived into voting for minority candidates and liberal causes in higher percentages than men do. In spite of the wide difference between the White and Black race in the status and well-being of women, the feminist movement has aligned itself with Black "civil-rights" objectives. They've been told that the "White male patriarchy" is the enemy, causing resentments and conflicts between the sexes that could prove fatal for our people unless repaired. Many women's groups openly campaign for Jewish and Black causes, blessed by accolades of the Jewish high priestesses of feminism. But when White women form organizations exclusively for the advancement of our European heritage, they face condemnation.

White men and women who have become aware of the racial apocalypse looming ahead must make a supreme effort to reach the alienated Western woman and bring her back into unity with her own people. Her most vital interests, as well as that of Western man, lay with the preservation of her racial heritage and the Western culture in which she thrives. White nations have always afforded women the greatest degree of personal safety and physical health, the best education and economic opportunity, the most prestige, and the most stable family life.

A perfect example of the ardent minority racism dominating women's liberation groups was the halting of a demonstration against the acquittal of wife-beater turned-wife killer O. J. Simpson. A National Organization of Women spokeswoman planned a demonstration protesting the acquittal until the national office made her call off the demonstration because it would offend Blacks. Black sensibilities obviously became far more paramount to NOW than the very lives and safety of women - at least White women.

Women's rights are virtually nonexistent in Third World nations, where women are ruled by male tyranny and brutality. Sentiments of male chauvinism find mild verbal and cultural expression in Western nations. In the dark nations, male chauvinism is not represented by mere office chatter or humor; it is realized in a day-to-day living in which millions of women are subject to brutality, suppression, sexual mutilation, and subjugation. When women realize that their real liberation can come only in a fully Western society, the liberation of Western man will come as well. There may be debate among our people of the respective roles of men and women, but that debate can be heard only in a Western society. If our nation is remade in the image of the dark world, there will be no respect of women's rights and no possibility of debate. Even from a purely selfish, feminist point-of-view, the transformation of our society to a genetically and culturally Third World state would mean the end of any aspirations of "women's rights."

Egalitarianism and Civil-Rights as Weapons

As I uncovered more information of the Jewish domination of the anti-White, and anti-family revolution, it struck me that many powerful Jews might see White America in the same way they once viewed the Czar and the White Russians. I began to wonder whether we were destined to become a people deposed, a nation conquered not with armies and cannon but by the power of the purse and the power of the press.

If they did not view us as Theodor Herzl did - as aliens - why did so many of them attack American traditions and customs, from the structure of the family to the singing of Christmas carols in our schools? Although not all Jews participate in the crusade against our heritage, a vast majority support chauvinist Jewish organizations and back the candidates for public office who most sublimate themselves to Jewish concerns. Jewish support means far more than their voting bloc; it means full campaign coffers and the support of powerful media.

Jewish activists have been relentless in their support for pluralism of American politics and culture. The high-sounding Jewish promises of the so-called civil-rights movement - love, peace, and brotherhood - have been replaced with the violent obscenities of a rap song. For Blacks, once rhythmic and peaceful urban communities now echo with the sound of gunfire, a third of young Black men are in jail, probation, or parole, and millions are chained, hand, foot, and soul, to alcohol and drugs.

Whites who have fled from the cities their fathers built find themselves burdened with high taxes that disproportionately go to unproductive minorities in Welfare and in the criminal justice system flooded with minority criminals. Those unable to flee find themselves in deteriorating conditions. Their children endure the primitivism and try to adjust to the fear permeating the mostly black schools of our major cities, while their parents barricade themselves behind their locked doors and barred windows. There they often lose themselves in the make-believe world of television, where they supinely watch their history, their soul, and their spirit under an unrelenting attack as spiritually damaging as the crime on the streets is physically destructive.

What did Jews have to gain from the empowerment of minorities in America? Obviously, the Marxists saw Blacks and other minorities as staunch allies vital for the advancement of their agenda and political success. Over the past decades, the Black bloc vote has been vital to liberal politics. Perhaps more important, a Babylon-like, multiracial America suits Jewish interests. In a divided land, the most unified group exercises the greatest power. In a jumbled, kaleidoscope society, the exercise of that alien power is less apparent to the majority elements, for if a tiny minority has an agenda hostile to the majority, that minority needs to be as unobtrusive as possible. Multiracialism muddies the waters. Jews will always thrive in such a Babylon. Every blow that has broken the solidarity and furthered the dispossession of the founding and once-ruling American majority, is an opening for the new contenders to the throne.

A great deal of the degeneracy has no design at all. The alien nature described by Theodor Herzl finds its expression in thousands of jabs and body blows to the traditions and values of the Anglo-America of old. Whether it is a Nativity scene outlawed from a public square, or an all-male military academy turned coed, or morning radio programs filled with crude talk of human excretory activity, or the glamorization of drugs in films and novels, the beat goes on, drummed by people almost proud of their alien nature. The tune is the funeral march for America and the whole Western world.

They eat away at our nation's European roots, always gaining influence and power and yet always considering themselves outsiders, and that is precisely what they are: spiritual, cultural, and genetic outsiders who are now on the inside of the American power structure. Consider the following statement from a Jewish pundit who has both success and fame:

Decades later, prowling along the river with Texas Rangers to see them catch crossing Mexicans, I stopped and sat on the ground. I said that's enough - I am one of them, the wetbacks, and not of them, the hunters.
A. M. Rosenthal wrote those words, a man who has been head of the Editorial pages of The New York Times, America's most powerful newspaper. With all his money, power, and prestige - sitting in the dirt along the muddy banks of the Rio Grande - Rosenthal still identifies himself as an "outsider." His loyalties are not with other Americans who want to preserve our way of life. His allegiance is with the aliens who will change it.

The minority racism - the "civil rights" and the egalitarianism - that has flourished in America, had its origins in an alien ethnocentrism. Our nation, once distinctively European in nature, is fading fast. It was not brewed in the fleshpots of Babylon. But unless great change comes, it will succumb there.

Most Americans who fought against the civil-rights movement, believing correctly that it would lead to the destruction of the fabric of society, never recognized the source of its power. In the South some blamed the "Yankees," some the politicians, and some the media. Few understood that the civil-rights movement was an outgrowth of the same power that propelled the Russian Revolution, that influenced the participation of America in the First World War, that helped bring about the Second World War, and that finally created the nation of Israel.

How ironic that the civil-rights movement had its roots in racism, that it was simply a weapon wielded by the most ethnocentric people on Earth against their ancient enemies. Blacks were simply pawns in a much larger political game. Most of the non-Jewish Whites who were enlisted in the cause never realized that the struggle was not really about civil rights. These participants, like the Blacks themselves, were being manipulated in the much bigger contest of the Jewish struggle for power.

The same establishment that preaches the holy writ of racial equality and amalgamation, never lets Americans forget the right of Jews - in fact, the holy obligation of Jews - to maintain their heritage both here and in their Jewish state. It reminds us constantly, from the pulpit of television, of their unmatched godliness, their eternal innocence and victimhood. Their pundits and scriptwriters unabashedly proclaim Jewish mental, cultural, and moral supremacy. They are canonized daily by their media, while those who dare utter a contrary word are muzzled or demonized. A tabernacle of the new religion of the Holocaust stands squarely in the midst of the American Acropolis of Washington, D.C. In that shrine the American people can worship the Chosen People and feel guilt for their sins against them. There they can learn of the worst transgression of all: questioning the only true "civil right" - the Jewish right to rule us culturally, spiritually, and politically.

The alien oppression would be bad enough by itself, but our masters clearly planned the extermination of our kind. Once I understood that, I could no longer remain silent about the realities of Jewish power in the West. Their continued dominance would sweep away our folk in a rising tide of immigration, miscegenation, non-White fecundity, and White self-sterilization.

The alien-dominated media keep most White Americans completely unaware of the ongoing dispossession of our people - and another segment cheering it on. I began to see that the media was the most powerful weapon they used against us, so I focused my next inquiries on Jewish infiltration and domination of the American mass-communication media.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from queen of diamonds on 3:57 am on May 10, 2002
maybe i'm missing something here, being non-american, but....chicago 8?
The Chicago 8 was the Chicago 7 with Bobby Seale, whose trial was severed after two weeks, when he was given four years for contempt.

[man in the red suit]

anyone who agrees with this sadistic crap is a fucking asshole. Most of it is bold face lieing. On top of that, they over-exagerate many events which never even took place. Can you possibly believe something that some rascist, low-life piece of shit wrote? I mean really,
this guy is a fucking worm who deserves to rot in fucking hell. If I ever came face to face with this guy I'd rip him a new asshole. AGH!! the zionists are good guys. Palestinians are the assholes. don't get me wrong,
there are good, benevolant islamic people, but these suicide bombers are fucking assholes. The palestinians are the ones killing innocent people not the Jews.
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[man in the red suit]

I apologize for my last post, it was uncalled for. I was simply very angry. I hate rascism. Palestinians deserve a chance. I'm sorry. I still hate rascists though.

[queen of diamonds]

well, i'm glad to see you've calmed down a little, though i can see people getting angry at that....
the truth is, both sides of this conflict are killing innocent people, and no matter how hard the media tries, it's simply not possible to paint anyone as the villian....

thanx reuben

(Edited by queen of diamonds at 10:16 pm on June 21, 2002)

[man in the red suit]

not true, Palestinians deserve a fair say however, they are the ones doing these sick suicide bombings not the
zionists. this is not a media coverup, palestinians kill civilians, zionists kill military targets. ZIONISTS=GOOD
PALESTINIANS=BAD. and forget menechem begin. He is the only person who commited any terrorist acts. He regrets it as well. Are you a palestinian? just curious.
I think you know what I am :)

[Reuben]

man in a red suit. Do you have a racist mindset? Do you believe that it is legitimste and intellectually valid to describe a whole ethnic group as bad in the way that you described the palestinians as bad?

Do you believe tyhat whole ethnic groups should be forced to take collective responsibility? For example you said "PALESTINIANS kill civilians"

I agree with you as far as saying that first article was racist shit. But you have no right to be talking about racism
and if zionists just kill miitary targets why is it that so many red cross ambulances have been destroyed (www.palestinercs.com)

How is it that 1500 palestinians have died, the majority outside of any conflict.

[Fires of History]

Man In The Red Suit,

"ZIONISTS=GOOD
PALESTINIANS=BAD"

What is this, Star Wars? Are you really going to sit there and try to sugarcoat the actions of Israel? Are you paying attention? Are you listening to anything other than CNN?

Zionism is a sick joke, one that has plagued the Middle East with violence and death for decades. Do you honestly believe that the Israelis have a 'right' to statehood? That any country has the 'right' to statehood?

Do you know how Israel came about? Do you understand why the Palestinians are upset? Can you conceive of why there are so many suicide bombings?

Your last posts offend me. The Palestinians have the same right for statehood that the Israelis demand for themselves. Yet the Israelis refuse to acknowledge this as they continue to fight unarmed Palestinians and use suicide bombings as an excuse to invade Palestinian lands.

Get your facts straight, Man In The Sharon Suit.

I see you write "Fuck Palestine" about a hundred times. Then you feign an apology. Well, FUCK YOURSELF if you think that Palestinians are completely to blame for suicide attacks. Jeez....simple minds....

Don't you think the Palestinians would wage a 'proper' war if they could? Oh, they can't, that's right, they can't. Hmm...

[Derar]

Racist in the red suit .....

u r a fucking racist shit , i bet u r a yankee that doesnt know shit about whats going on in the world and just watches cnn !!


u fucking shity racist.....

if u go on like this , i'll be really pissed if malte doesnt ban u !



(Edited by Derar at 2:53 pm on May 11, 2002)

[Fires of History]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 5:31 am on May 11, 2002

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Quote: from man in the red suit on 5:34 am on May 11, 2002

I hate rascism.

[El Che]

fuck u

[Dhul Fiqar]

Holy crap, I ignored this thread for a while because of the title but this is some disturbing stuff.

I hate David DuKKKe, but that article is probably the greatest thing any Nazi ever wrote (if you don't like Wagner's stuff, that is ;) )

To man in the red suit, I don't know what to say to you. First of all, you're a racist, so you must hate yourself pretty bad if you really do hate them. Secondly, read Fires of History's post a few times and then try to get some information about Zionist terrorism, such as when Israel's 'hero' blew up a hotel full of people in Al Quds.

Thirdly, and I really tried to hold this back, but...

FUCK YOU MAN! Some of my most dear friends are Palestinians and one of them just happens to be undergoing unspeakable torture at the moment. I got no time for hateful maggots like you at this time.

--- G. Raven

[Reuben]

Quote: from Dhul Fiqar on 3:06 pm on May 11, 2002
Holy crap, I ignored this thread for a while because of the title but this is some disturbing stuff.

I hate David DuKKKe, but that article is probably the greatest thing any Nazi ever wrote (if you don't like Wagner's stuff, that is ;) )



--- G. Raven

Well I dont know what article you were reading at the beginning of this thread but the one I fouuund (the one at the beginning posted by queen of diamonds) seeemed to contain textbook anti-semitsm including both the conspiracy theory as well as the traditional racism leveeled at all ethnic monorities that there loyalty is somewhere else. This was part of his article that was posted at the start:

"The Jewish Lobby and the Jewish-dominated media are very careful not to let the American people fully understand the real reason for the Iraqi war or the true issues in the Palestinian question. They really don't want Americans to know why so many millions in the Arab world hate us and why the number grows larger every day.

"They don't want us to know the real reasons why Americans are so hated -- because it is the Jewish bosses of American foreign policy who are the one's responsible for this growing hatred of America.

Of course, they never put America's interests first; their own Jewish interests are always paramount. "

How can you be so sympathetic to this typical jewish conspiracy crap.

Regarding Man In A red Suit, he has no moral authority to attack anybody for racism given what he said and I mae my response to him clear earlier. Ithink he should be banned.

However derar, you are just making a mockery of yourself with your extreme inconsistencies. When Cheaten made far more ewxteme racist comments, for example saying he wished hitler had killed all the jews, you said we should let him stay. So why is it different with Man in a Red suit, maybe he is just ignorant.



(Edited by Reuben at 3:57 pm on May 11, 2002)

[yuriandropov]

man in red suit, you've been brainwashed by the 'american' jewish media. anyone who denies jews control the media in america, look at my post in the socialism s capitalism forum called' plight of a stalinist'. jews (or zionists) think they have a divine claim to paletine but they don't, they don't have shit! palestinan suicide bombers are martyers. why would they just blow themselves up? for no reason. no! the truth is, there lives are so bad because of israli occupation they just think, 'fuck it, i'm gonna kill myself, but i'm going down with a blaze of glory and die for something i beleive in. and when i go, i'm going to take as many zionist bastards as i can with me!' and don't say, 'not all jews are zionists', they may not be, but all the fuckers living in israel are, why would they be there otherwise. there is a minute percentage that deserve to be there. one who were there before the 30's. but all others should fuck off out of there. drive the bastards into the sea!

[man in the red suit]

I AM NOT RASCIST, YOU ARE MISINFORMED.
PALESTINIANS ARE NOT ALL BAD, SORRY, I DO BELIEVE THAT THE PALESTINISNS ARE WORSE. ANYONE WHO KEAPS TRACK OF CURRENT EVENTS KNOWS THIS. I'M SICK AND TIRED OF THIS "FUCK YOU" SHIT. GIVE ME SOME FACTS THAT ARE BELIEVABLE FOR CHRIST'S SAKE. HOW THE HELL CAN ALL OF YOU BE PALESTINIAN SYMPATHIZERS? DON'T GIVE ME THAT BULLSHIT ABOUT BEING RASCIST. I'M NOT. I'M SORRY IF I'M A LITTLYE OVER THE TOP ABOUT THESE FUCKING COWARDS KILLING OUR PEOPLE.

(Edited by man in the red suit at 4:43 pm on May 11, 2002)

[yuriandropov]

man in the red suit, i don't think your racist but your support for israel is mispleced. i presume you are american, what would you do if canadians invaded, kicked you out of your home, forced you to live in terrible refugee camps and walked the streets with m16's to keep you in line? that happened to us in WWII, the germans thought they were better than us, they wanted 'libenstram' or whatever and look what happened. we kicked them so hard, they still haven't recovered and never will. i know its hard in america, but try to not to get your information from jewsih sources.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Oooohhh... man... all caps! Of Course! Now I get it! Now I hear ya man, it all makes so much more sense when you cyber-shout it! ;)

Read the posts again dude, there are some excellent points there. Then get a history book.

Reuben:
I didn't say it was a good article, it's not like Nazis ever write anything that makes too much sense, they are probably the biggest group of morons on the earth. I just think he made some valid points, something I was NOT expecting from someone like him.


--- G. Raven

[Dhul Fiqar]

yuriandropov: Good post, I imagine he wouldn't take too kindly to that at all, and I think once he realizes that he has a lot of promise...

--- G. Raven

[man in the red suit]

VERY WELL maybe I have overlooked Israel's part. They are indeed responsible. As long as you stop giving me this crap about being rascist!!!

[man in the red suit]

actually no, the israelis walk around with guns because these palestinians walk around like fucking maniacs and blow up innocent people! It is ok to go blow their asses up to attack a military target but not on civilians. Israel may not have any more of an entitled place to Israel than Palestine, but at least they don't do this suicide bombing crap. I mean, you say that I'm American brainwashed. You must be Palestinian Brainwashed!! I mean really, where do you think you get your information from "Palestinian underground?" these are the same people who lied and said that they blew away Israel in the 6 day war when in fact they got their asses kicked in less than 6 days. So forget it. I will maintain my opinions. and you may acuse me of being rascist or whatever foul crap you want to.......

[Reuben]

Quote: from yuriandropov on 4:39 pm on May 11, 2002
man in red suit, you've been brainwashed by the 'american' jewish media. anyone who denies jews control the media in america, look at my post in the socialism s capitalism forum called' plight of a stalinist'.


And if you had red my post you would stop making such dispicab;e generalisations, and stop agreeing with the antisemitic diatribe posted at the begginning of this thread.

How dare you say trty not to get your information from Jewish souirces. I have got most of my information from Jewish sources, I.E. my parents and the result is that I am an anti-zionist socialist,

Furthermore these 'jewish sources" have brought me up in such a way that I would never say "Dont get any information from blacks"

I do not see why I should even debate with somebody who will judge me on my ethnic backgrund rather than what I say.

MIARS should be banned,v yet I have never seen such a swift response to the many examples of anti-semitism in the past

[Derar]

Quote: from Reuben on 7:53 pm on May 11, 2002

However derar, you are just making a mockery of yourself with your extreme inconsistencies. When Cheaten made far more ewxteme racist comments, for example saying he wished hitler had killed all the jews, you said we should let him stay. So why is it different with Man in a Red suit, maybe he is just ignorant.



First Of all , i wasnt the only one that said to give cheaten onother chance , and Second Thing , didnt he apologise !!? i think he did !
THIRD THING , I SAID IF HE GOES ON WITH THIS RACIST SHIT , THEN HE MUST BE BANNED ....... Which means i asked for onother chance like i did to cheaten !!!

And i find no reason why u r attacking me now !!

[Reuben]

sorry comrade, miss read your post and cheaten never apologized on the board iun fact he followed with mor e anti-semitism.

He apologized to me in a private converation but only after half an hour of saying things like he was going to blow up my house because there were jews in it.

At the moment I am really wound up and feel like the ground hass been taken away from under me. There are people like vox who have a proper understanding, but i feel like this terrible lie of the conspiracy has got to so many people i consider comrades,. I have seen the facist lies aired followed by a completely incoherent response, and it makes me so worried what people like uliandropov are thinking when they hear the word jew especially when he is saying "try not to your information from jewish sources"

and i also saw people expressing their agreement with dukkke.

[Dhul Fiqar]

maninredsuit:

Now you're just talking nonsense. Zionist terrorist groups terrorized Palestinians by blowing up civilian hotels and infrastructure with home made bombs for decades before suicide bombings were even conceived.

Go read a book on the subject, then come back and we may have a real discussion.

And if you want I can stop calling you a racist and switch to calling you anti-hamitic, which is word one doesn't hear nearly as much as anti-semitic.

--- G. Raven

[queen of diamonds]

man in the red suit, we're not palestinian brainwashed, we're just able to see both sides of the conflict and take offense at your one sided view. if we seem one sided as well, it's only because we're attempting to show you the one side you can't see - after all, there doesn't seem to be much point showing you the zionist (stress zionist, not jewish) perspective.
(that goes for me, anyway, and from everyone else's posts, i'm assuming this - i apologize if this is misrepresentative of your view)

and no, i'm not palestinian, i'm actually an australian of indian (hindu) origin, so i'm lucky that it wasn't neccessary for me to overcome any prejudices towards either the palestinians or the zionists from my background (unless you count the hindu-muslim conflicts) on my way to the truth.

[man in the red suit]

MUST I SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU? I TOO, SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE PICTURES NOW AS WELL. I NOLONGER TAKE SIDES. FUCK THEM BOTH. ISRAELIS ARE FASCIST EXPLOITATIONISTS AND PALESTINIANS ARE SICK IN THE HEAD. SO THERE. ANY ONE CALL MY RASCIST AGAIN AND I SWEAR TO GOD I WILL LOSE MY FUCKING MIND!!!
FUCK OFF!!!!! YOU ACUSE ME OF BEING RASCIST YET I HAVE HEARD ONLY RASCIST REMARKS FROM MOST OF YOU!!!!!!!!

[Dhul Fiqar]

Quote: from man in the red suit on 2:05 pm on May 12, 2002
MUST I SPELL IT OUT FOR YOU? I TOO, SEE BOTH SIDES OF THE PICTURES NOW AS WELL. I NOLONGER TAKE SIDES. FUCK THEM BOTH. !!

Ah, equal opportunity blind hatred! That MUCH better than just hating one side :rolleyes:

--- G. Raven

[I Will Deny You]

the zionists are good guys. Palestinians are the assholes. don't get me wrong,
there are good, benevolant islamic people, but these suicide bombers are fucking assholes. The palestinians are the ones killing innocent people not the Jews.
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It's not nearly as black-and-white as that. There are awful Zionists, too. And where did you hear that Israeli troops never kill civilians?

Regarding Man In A red Suit, he has no moral authority to attack anybody for racism given what he said and I mae my response to him clear earlier. Ithink he should be banned.

However derar, you are just making a mockery of yourself with your extreme inconsistencies. When Cheaten made far more ewxteme racist comments, for example saying he wished hitler had killed all the jews, you said we should let him stay. So why is it different with Man in a Red suit, maybe he is just ignorant.
Well said. I agree 100%.

palestinan suicide bombers are martyers. why would they just blow themselves up? for no reason. no! the truth is, there lives are so bad because of israli occupation they just think, 'fuck it, i'm gonna kill myself, but i'm going down with a blaze of glory and die for something i beleive in. and when i go, i'm going to take as many zionist bastards as i can with me!'Kamikaze pilots during World War II were also martyrs because they died for what they believed in, but that doesn't make them menschy guys.

and don't say, 'not all jews are zionists', they may not be, but all the fuckers living in israel are, why would they be there otherwise.
Many Jews are there because after their homes were destroyed in World War II, no country would take more than a few thousand of them. Do you really believe that all Jews want to be there, and were not forced to live in Israel by anti-semitic UN members who didn't want to take them in? Now who's being brainwashed by the Western media?

Lindsay

[Derar]

IWDY , rueben said that and then he apologized coz he didnt pay attention to my statement there , and i gave some explantions ...... so we r cool .

but now what the fuck do u 100% agree about ???

either u didnt read too well , or maybe u were just ignoring the other posts and typing fucking blindly !

[Edelweiss]

This thread makes me sad, and it's yet another proof of worrying anti-semitic tendencies in the left wing. I really hate this stupid black-white views, no matter from which side they are coming. For now I have resticted the blatant anti-semite yuriandropov to the SvsC forum. Statements like "Drive them into the sea" can not be tolerated here. Yuriandropov, you better leave this place now, this is an anti-fascist community, and pseudo-leftists like you better go somewhere else.

[peaccenicked]

Three cheers for Malte.

[Fires of History]

HIP HIP HOORAY, HIP HIP HOORAY, HIP HIP HOORAY!!!

Malte Rocks

[Guest1]

I have never felt so ashamed to read statements from my comrades here before....

[Reuben]

three cheers for malte.. THe latest I have read on the plight of the stalinist thread in S V Cis Communist dominions opinions about jews being "instictively capitalistic".

Reuben

Furthermore yuriandropov has proven beyond doubt that his attitude towards jews is tied in as much with ethnicity as religion.

He sai he agreed with the way stalin attacked secular jews and yiddish writers. This was partly because, he said, the yiddish writers were trotskyists capitalist and zionists (Im suprised he didnt put some more stereotypes in ).

WHen I onfronted him with the evidence that many of those killed were in fact ardent stalinists killed simply because they were jews, he showed well and truly thee way his views were tied in with ethnicity. He argued that it was alright what stalin did the jews because insisted on identifying as jews rather than russians.

This is an affront to all my minorities. I told him that here in britain there are ethnic minorities who may refer to themselves as pakistani and asked if this would warrant persecution.

He is a racist through and through.



MALTE ROCKS

[Derar]

Then i also ask malte to restrict man in the red suit to the SvC forum as well , coz he even made more hatred comments !

[gooddoctor]

it just goes to show the dangers of fascist propaganda and how easily it corrupts the mind. i agree with some of the things in the article - i'd say that america's foreign policy is the main cause of international terrorism, and that israel's history is steeped in war crimes and terrorism supported by america. but the way he uses this as a basis for anti-semitic views is quite shrewd.

he merges common sense with the time tested blood libel and jewish conspiracy theory; the us government becomes a zionist government, media becomes zionist media, and israeli war crimes become murders that christian america must avenge. obviously all gross, and completely unfounded generalisations, although it has to be said that the zionist lobby in the states does indeed wield too much power.

however, there's a difference in recognising that and using it as an excuse to persecute all people who share their jewish faith. this article would appeal to americans who cannot cope with their governments shared guilt in s11, and wish to justify their racist prejudices. but i wish certain people here could see it for what it is, especially when he starts going on about "genetic" jews. when people on the left identify too strongly with people like marx - who was theoretically anti-semitic as much as anti-christian - they should remember that he was merely a product of his timetime, and shared this widespread social prejudice that doesn't necessarily have any bearing on reality or his economic theories. anti-semitism and socialism do not mix, it's called nazism, fascism and stalinism and i think malte's right, there's no place for it here.

actually, i wish i'd read this article sooner because i've just finished an essay documenting the rise of anti-semitism prior to the twentieth century, but i've never actually read propaganda apart from exerpts from mein kampf. they both appeal to natural human sympathies, we barely even notice the subtle racist language, and before we know it we take prejudice for granted.

(Edited by gooddoctor at 2:40 pm on May 13, 2002)

[Edelweiss]

Quote: from Derar on 12:25 pm on May 13, 2002
Then i also ask malte to restrict man in the red suit to the SvC forum as well , coz he even made more hatred comments !


MITRS has no longer a permission to post in the Commie Club, and he's not far away from being restricted to SvsC. This is no place for anti-semites and this is also not a place for zionists.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Al right Malte!

I was really hoping to see him leave The Commie Club, and I agree totally that anti-semitism and zionism have no place here.

--- G. Raven

[Derar]

ok now i really feel comfortable ......

thanx malte .

u rule !

[Reuben]

ok this bastard has gone right over the top and we have to ban him. I am now convinced he is probably either a third positionistor a fascist posingas a communist. In his latest post he has now blamed jews for the holocaust saying stuff "Nazism was a reaction to jewish communism" and "if it wasnt for the jews there would be no need for nazism".

This guy is sick

[Fires of History]

Reuben,

I seem to have missed that, where did he say that?

[queen of diamonds]

thanx malte......
but it's not just MITRS who's slightly disturbing...