1 single REVOLUTION all over the world

[duk]

well we saw many revolutions in the world! but many revolutions have failed. ppl are starting to believe that democratie is better than a revolution like the chavez's way! Cant the comunist leaders make 1 revolution in all the world in the same time so we can finally show the world the power of comunism ? what do u think of that ?

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 09:16 PM
well we saw many revolutions in the world! but many revolutions have failed. ppl are starting to believe that democratie is better than a revolution like the chavez's way! Cant the comunist leaders make 1 revolution in all the world in the same time so we can finally show the world the power of comunism ? what do u think of that ?
"democracy" is the word..."democratie" is dutch...hey nog een nederlander :lol:

But ok, back to topic. One big giant communist revolution? Who is going to do that? If you want to do it the Marx was, you would need to have all the workers in the world to rise up and revolt...all at the same time, that is practically (if not totally) impossible to do. Logistics, organisation, it would be crazy and probably collapse in on itself.

Revolutions performed by small groups (Lenin style) would be a better way to go, but still, on a global level its all too large, you would have to take it one step at a time I think.

And besides, who will support your revolution? You dont have all the workers after your ideology, just a certain number of them. People are filled with capitalist ideas of getting rich, they would rather get rich than start some revolution.

Power of communism? What would that be?

I might sound really harsh, but I think we would have to take a revolution like this one step at a time, and on such a large scale it would be very difficult, you would have to (re)educate many people, make sure the capitalists dont stop you or kill you.

[Morpheus]

When the American empire falls we may get one big revolution, like when the soviet empire fell. Except America rules most of the world, so it'll be a lot bigger.

[wet blanket]

Let me get on the phone right now with the Marxist headquarters, we'll get to planning this revolution right away...

How does next friday sound to you guys? Say, about 3:30 PM or so?

[fernando]

next friday? no no no I would just get back home from school, cant we do it on a saturday or something? :P

[duk]

ok guys ill do it alone :P . wish me luck ;) . watch me on the news soon :D .

[fernando]

Sorry :P

Good luck...I'll help out if you got anything going :)

[DRS]

Revolutions, i doubt it happening in the world i see today.

Its so easy for the goverment to find out the ringleaders and send it Spec Ops to simply whipe them out.

[fernando]

Not only that, but the youth of this generation has been indoctrinated with crap like MTV and Tommy Hillfinger, and if not by that they are only focussed on how much they hate MTv and Tommy Hillfinger. Most young people dont care about politics, socialism, revolution, they just want to watch The Real World or Dismissed, have a cola and eat a Big Mac.

[duk]

yeah... in my country ( lebanon) most ppl care about the religion. :(
muslim and christian hate each other... muslim think that USA and ISRAEL is their enemy but christian think that syria is the enemy :angry: .
im christian but comunist ! :huh:

[Louis Pio]

Ohh your from Lebanon, I had some friends who also hailed from there, I really love the food.

I have a question since your Lebanese: is the fascist falange (or how it's spelled) still active? And if, what is their present role?

[Red Bolshevik]

I think worldwide revolution may come but presently I do not believe the idea is feasible. I think Stalin’s idea of Socialism in one country is necessary as a preliminary step to a larger revolution. First, I think that current Capitalist powers most weaken which I think they’re doing of their own accord. If those countries show their fallacies and they become blatant to the Proletariat then perhaps some support may be rallied. But that will take time, and the masses need to be re-educated to relinquish anti-Communist prejudices.

[Louis Pio]

Considering how that theory turned out I think it would be a great crime still to use it and if used together with the 2 stage theory it would be catastrophal.
Fortunately from my viewpoint both theories are dead in the sense that they don't recieve any recognition.

[Red Bolshevik]

Well then, what solution would you suggest advocating?

Furthermore, I do not believe that the chance for revolution is lost. It has often been theorized that there may be steps backward before there can be leaps forward. The collapse of the USSR I believe is one of these such regressions. I agree that simultaneous worldwide revolution may never occur, but there may be revolution in certain steps of progression. In fact I see with the current world climate that this could be true.

Putin and Capitalism in Russia is unpopular and the people want the USSR back. Else ware in countries such as Nepal there are pushes for Communism. Groups are also gaining ground in India. The U.S. is somewhat discrediting itself with its wars oversees. Of course, I’m just being very optimistic, but I believe there is reason for hope. Minds of American youth may be corrupted with items such as MTV but in other countries this is not always the case.

[Louis Pio]

Well the socialism in one country basically degenerated the communist international into a instrument for russian foreign politics. Instead of being the instrument of revolution and the working class.
My point is that we shouldn't confine to one country, of course we will start the task in one country after a succesfull revolution. But a key goal must be to rapidly spread it, that means calling on the workers of the neighboring countries to follow the exampel. Actually that would be quite natural since the effects of a succesfull revolutions would be a massive influence on the people of the other countries.
Also it is a safeguard against the reaction that would come, countries with social upheavels would have a hard time intervening in another country.

Concerning the 2 stage theory: it's nothing more than a tool in postponing revolution by claiming we should first build bourgious democracy.
The russian revolution and Lenin's April theses shows how wrong that theory is.

[Red Bolshevik]

In that case I agree with you. I just view socialism in one country as a necessity for a temporary solution before it can be spread. I also strongly disagree with the 2 stage theory, I do not advance that whatsoever.

I think that Socialism in one country must be moved out of quickly to do as you said. But still think it needs to start out somewhere. For instance, it certainly would take a while before a revolution could be possible in countries such as America and Western Europe. I think it must build up a then once it is strong enough it may spread. I do not suggest that it stay in one country, that simply won’t help the cause at all.

[Louis Pio]

Am glad we agree, considering Stalin in your avatar I wasn't sure we would.
Considering Western Europe I think it can happen quiklier than most people think. Workers are definitely on the move but of course we are not talking about revolution tomorrow.
I think Latin America is the best option now, industry is developed and people are radicalised, a revolution there would also in turn have a huge impact on the hispanic community in USA.

[duk]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 03:22 PM
I have a question since your Lebanese: is the fascist falange (or how it's spelled) still active? And if, what is their present role?
well the phalange is still active. but there is many probs in the party. they are devide too two groups. one being led by Amin Gemayel and the other by Karim Pakradouni. The 1st group is against the gov. and the other 1 is in the gov. but Pakradouni is the official leader of the party!

[fernando]

Minds of American youth may be corrupted with items such as MTV but in other countries this is not always the case.

Be carefull though, the youth of Western Europe is corrupted too, well many, especially in Holland.
However, you might be more succesful in Portugal, France and Germany. In Portugal the anti US feelings are strong, every young person I spoke to about this subject is very anti US. Lots of pro Iraq grafiti, pro Palestine stuff on walls.

In Peru I've seen the same, but in South America we have to be more careful, governments and yanks are more paranoid there and will be more agressive. Most radical ideas I heard after they were sure it was safe to talk, eventhough everybody feels like that.

[Rasta Sapian]

i would say that if you can feel the momentum going your way, then go with the flow....................... catch the wave and spread utilitarianism to the masses my friend.........;)

but what do i know, i am just another prole with a soul :blink:

may peace be with yall

[wet blanket]

hahaha I love the rainbow shooting out of CHE'S commie-star

[Red Bolshevik]

:blink: Please do not inform me that posts such as the one 2posts above mine are actually allowed on this forum.


Be carefull though, the youth of Western Europe is corrupted too, well many, especially in Holland.
I was actually referring to countries outside the US and the EU. It will be difficult for a revolution to occur within the U.S. sphere of influence.

I concur with your view presented on Latin America. The people should be willing to revolt but the U.S. likes to get involved in Latin American politics. They may send some sort of effort against a revolution.

[fernando]

They will...just wait and see what will happen in Venezuela...I hope Chavez can do good there, since that will inspire more people into making radical changes in Latin America.

However the US will try to prevent this from happening, since then the "Venezuela tumor" could spread and infect their entire "backyard" with this disease of socialism.