Chavez Won

[Guest1]

To the Cappies here, chavez has won the referendum with 58% support compared to 42% for the opposition. The opposition refuses to accept the results, but Jimmy Carter and the AOS elections monitors all say it is legitimate and the opposition should accept.

Do you think it's time for the US to leave venezuela alone? Or is "Democracy" something you believe in only when the poor don't vote?

[Commie Girl]

Yes! Very good news for the "defenders of democracy"...according to CBC, this is the 8th election he has won....and the U$ has yet to endorse the win, which is interesting since in the 2002 coup they recognized the "new" government right away!

[Ortega]

Good for ol' Hugo. I'm proud of him, really.

Of course, his methods for getting votes weren't exactly orthodox (or Democratic) - going around the country throwing out money and all - but at least he won! And in the end, that's all that matters.

:)

[Guest1]

What are you talking about...

[Ortega]

I can't remember where I read it, but at some point before the referendum Chavez was literally handing out money to some of the poor at his rallies in order to increase his support. If I find a link, I'll make sure to show you.

One thing I don't like about Chavez is his strong belief in Christianity. While I support the right of any man to worship any god he chooses, I worry that his Christian values will effect his tenure as president of Venezuela.

[Y2A]

No, I support a coup inwhich a Pinochet-like dictator will be placed instead of Chavez. Give me a fucking break.

Edit: OMG, I just saw the thread about this in Politics. "Viva Chavez" "Viva this, Viva that" etc.... Stupid wannabe hispanic imbeciles. And btw idiots, "Hasta la victoria siempre" means "Until victory, always!", you'd think your 3yrs of high school spanish would help you decipher this complex cuban revolutionary slogan.

[Guest1]

Shut the fuck up and stop being such a dick-head.

[Y2A]

Truth hurts?

[Guest1]

Says the cappie.

[Y2A]

Says the person that believes in democracy and thus believes Chavez should stay in power until the election in 06'. By that I mean me.

[Guest1]

:lol:

I'm curious as to what it said before you edited it.

[fernando]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 07:15 AM
No, I support a coup inwhich a Pinochet-like dictator will be placed instead of Chavez. Give me a fucking break.

Edit: OMG, I just saw the thread about this in Politics. "Viva Chavez" "Viva this, Viva that" etc.... Stupid wannabe hispanic imbeciles. And btw idiots, "Hasta la victoria siempre" means "Until victory, always!", you'd think your 3yrs of high school spanish would help you decipher this complex cuban revolutionary slogan.
hey wait...I am hispanic...dumb yank :lol:

[Louis Pio]

The whole handing out money business is not litterary handing out money. What he has been doing through is presidency is building social programs in poor areas. The opposition calls that handing out money, to them the idea of actually helping the poor who build their wealth is repulsive. That's why you can see opposition people wearing gold while shouting "chavez your starving us".

Btw I don't think Chavez is christian.

[Misodoctakleidist]

http://www.pixunlimited.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/steve_bell/2004/08/16/bell512ready.jpg

[The Sloth]

Chavez was literally handing out money to some of the poor at his rallies in order to increase his support.

This should mean something only if Chavez was creating promises he is refusing to keep, and if he would not be better for the poor than the opposition.

Unfortunately for you, and U.S. interests, this is not the case.


No, I support a coup inwhich a Pinochet-like dictator will be placed instead of Chavez. Give me a fucking break.

Oh please, in another thread you kept making excuses for Pinochet, saying things like "well, he turned the economy around..." or some other apologetic non-sense. When I mentioned you could say the same thing about Stalin, you ran off understanding that the two situations of being an "apologetic" are the same.


OMG, I just saw the thread about this in Politics. "Viva Chavez" "Viva this, Viva that" etc

What was the point of you mentioning this? I'm sure the members here are justified in saying "viva Chavez" considering the fact that U.S. is constantly in support of anti-Latin America policy and Chavez, still victorious despite American tampering with the elections, comes to be loved. Understand?


Stupid wannabe hispanic imbeciles.

And if they are hispanic you dumb fuck?

Are they "hispanic wiggers" now?

[fernando]

No...he asumes that only white rich kid protestant yanks know how to use the internet, and that hispanics are not able to, so every person who speaks spanish here is a wannabe hispanic :lol:


I always knew the white race was superior

Ok...Im sorry for getting off topic here

[Y2A]

"Oh please, in another thread you kept making excuses for Pinochet, saying things like "well, he turned the economy around..." or some other apologetic non-sense. When I mentioned you could say the same thing about Stalin, you ran off understanding that the two situations of being an "apologetic" are the same."

I've never.....ever made any excuses for Pinochet.

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 17 2004, 05:15 PM
No, I support a coup inwhich a Pinochet-like dictator will be placed instead of Chavez. Give me a fucking break.

Edit: OMG, I just saw the thread about this in Politics. "Viva Chavez" "Viva this, Viva that" etc.... Stupid wannabe hispanic imbeciles. And btw idiots, "Hasta la victoria siempre" means "Until victory, always!", you'd think your 3yrs of high school spanish would help you decipher this complex cuban revolutionary slogan.
Get your facts straight idiot. :rolleyes:

Hasta la victoria siempre means "Until the victory always", the 'la' does stand for something you know.

[Guest1]

AHHHHHHH!

Please! SPARE ME!

What did I do to deserve the horrible pain of that jarring avatar?

[Palmares]

Are you talking about mine?
If so, Rik from the Young ones would simply like to say "Fascist!"

[Guest1]

I am, the green is horrid!

Ahhh! I never thought I'd say this, but learn some colour sense people!

[Danton]

The green is violent.

[CubanFox]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 11:27 AM
Get your facts straight idiot. :rolleyes:

Hasta la victoria siempre means "Until the victory always", the 'la' does stand for something you know.
Romance languages tend to be more liberal in their use of the definite article than English is, though.

[Y2A]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 09:49 AM
Romance languages tend to be more liberal in their use of the definite article than English is, though.
Exactly, you don't translate it word for word, that would be retarded.

[Commie Girl]

Canadian Observer declares elections fair (http://www.reddeeradvocate.com)


Chavez's Canadian adviser pleased



CARACAS, Venezuela (CP) - Canadian Sharmini Peries was in the middle of the pandemonium that broke out inside the Miraflores presidential palace Monday when the head of Venezuela's electoral body announced on television that President Hugo Chavez had survived the recall referendum.
''The atmosphere was electric,'' Peries, 44, a foreign affairs adviser to Chavez, said.
''There was a big whoop and cheers throughout the palace. People started waving Chavez flags and chanting 'Uh Ah Chavez no se va' (Chavez is not going).''
Peries hadn't slept in two days, managing a hectic schedule hosting foreign representatives and dealing with the international media.
When reached around 7 a.m., she was heading to bed in the hotel room that has been her home since she accepted a job from Chavez in March.
''I haven't had time to find an apartment,'' said Peries, whose family lives in Toronto.
It was hoped the results of Sunday's recall referendum would stabilize this turbulent South American country that has faced intense political divisions over the last three years. But Peries said she doesn't believe calm will necessarily follow Chavez's win.
''The problems that the state has been facing are not going to go away,'' she said.
In the run up to the vote, Peries toured Europe to garner international support for Chavez. She held news conferences and talks in universities, explaining the president's controversial ''Bolivarian Revolution'' for the poor - named after Simon Bolivar, a 19th century South American liberator.
''He is the kind of president social movements are calling for all over the world,'' she said. ''He addresses issues of the environment ... His is a political leadership concerned about poverty and he has created real programs that assist the poor.''
The president of the National Electoral Council declared 94 per cent of the counted vote showed Chavez was winning 58 per cent to 42 per cent.
The Democratic Coordinator - an opposition alliance of political parties, trade unions and business elite - immediately declared the preliminary results fraudulent and said their own figures showed the president had been defeated.
Chavez, who is seen as a hero by Venezuela's majority poor but as authoritarian by his critics, particularly among the wealthy, vowed to continue his ''revolution for the poor.''
''Venezuela has changed forever,'' the 50-year-old former paratrooper declared. ''There is no turning back.''


Photo by ASSOCIATED PRESS

People hold up a bloody Venezuelan flag after alleged supporters of President Hugo Chavez opened fire on a group of people protesting against the referendum victory of Chavez in Caracas on Monday.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Tell his hombres that they can pull the pistols from the constituents' heads now.

[Guest1]

Where the fuck do you get off coming up with a statement like that?

The carter center has verified there was no wrongdoing in the election.

Fuck you CI.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 18 2004, 06:12 PM
Where the fuck do you get off coming up with a statement like that?

The carter center has verified there was no wrongdoing in the election.

Fuck you CI.
Cool your jets, dude, I was just joking...








...They were actually rifles.

[Guest1]

Cause 1 in 4 venezuelans has rifles, but the government has been very fair and democratic throughout this whole ordeal, it's the opposition who tried a coup.

[Louis Pio]

As said earlier it was the opposition staging a coup and hunting people in the streets. A fun thing is that the recall option was introduced by Chavez and if the opposition came to power they would remove it.
On the shooting incidents nothing is clear, the oppositions has vowed to use violence before and this is probably just another part of their destabalising campaign, a campaign going very poorly though :D

[Palmares]

Originally posted by [email protected] 18 2004, 07:49 PM
Romance languages tend to be more liberal in their use of the definite article than English is, though.
Fair enough. But me being an English speaker, I wouldn't be 'liberal' about the translation. I don't believe the quote itself had a comma though, did it?

[Guest1]

No, but as was said earlier, good translation doesn't take the exact sentence. Good translation is "how best can this be said in english?". My dad's a tranlsator at the UN.

Oh, and thanks for the colour change man :)

[Y2A]

Originally posted by Che y [email protected] 19 2004, 10:23 AM
My dad's a tranlsator at the UN.
What languages does he translate?

[Guest1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 06:25 AM
What languages does he translate?
Arabic to English and back. He translates documents at the ICAO.

[Y2A]

Oh, that's right. You are of middle eastern decent, right?

[Guest1]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 06:29 AM
Oh, that's right. You are of middle eastern decent, right?
Dad's Syrian, my mom was Palestinian.

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by Jacobo [email protected] 16 2004, 05:11 PM
Good for ol' Hugo. I'm proud of him, really.

Of course, his methods for getting votes weren't exactly orthodox (or Democratic) - going around the country throwing out money and all - but at least he won! And in the end, that's all that matters.

:)
Well the same can be said of any American election. To garner support from voters and supporters Politicians throw around money to groups.

Military contracts given to southern states.
Upperclass tax breaks.
Corporate Welfare.
Military bases setup in states.
Large contracts given out to specific needs. Sometimes no bid contracts.
Tax breaks given on objects afforded only by certain classes, SUVs, New Homes, Small Buisnesses.
Overturing enviromental and labor laws which put costs on the side of buisness.


If you are going to make an extra 500 million because of tax breaks and awarded contracts, you are more than willing to spend a lot of that savings by dumping into support for the politician that will do that for you.

"The haves and have-mores. Some call you the elite, I call you my base."

[Capitalist Imperial]

"The haves and have-mores. Some call you the elite, I call you my base."

Wow, a F-9/11 quote. How legitimate.

I didn't even think any leftist here was desperate enough to lend Mr. Moore even an iota of credibility.

[Sabocat]

Actually, Mike Moore never said it. George W Bush did.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 19 2004, 09:00 PM
Actually, Mike Moore never said it. George W Bush did.
You know what I mean. President Bush was simply making a joke to one segment of his constituency, and Mr. moore was happy to isolate it and juxtapose it next to other cleverly edited footage, which, altogether, blew the whole thing out of proportion.

[Exploited Class]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 19 2004, 01:17 PM

Wow, a F-9/11 quote. How legitimate.

I didn't even think any leftist here was desperate enough to lend Mr. Moore even an iota of credibility.
Wow, find one part at the end of a post to somehow discredit a whole post.

I didn't even think any of the righties here were so stupid enought to ignore a whole post to just find one part to reply to.

[Capitalist Imperial]

I simply didn't disagree with the rest of your post, exploitedclass. Is it stupid that I didn't argue for the sake of argument? I wasn't refuting your whole post.

[Micah EL Layl]

peace....
BIG UP to this CHaves......word is bond....you know the CIA
was there trying to fuck with the elections anyways....
and he still wins?????? hahahaha.....Chaves must be a
good man to win the majority vote despite the CIA's presence.....
Allah bless CHavez.....

[EL CHICO ROJO]

yeah im suprised the cia didnt try ta fuck it up yet tho
they luv tring to ruin prgression in south american
i hope chavez is strong enough to endor this
he just may become the new becon of change in south america
helpin end the period of 3rd world poverty an american ownership of latin america
at least i hope so.......