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Subversive Pessimist
16th August 2004, 10:12
US army is keeping Fahrenheit 9/11 off of army movie bases

By Bob Tourtellotte
LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - Just in case anti-Bush documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" needed any more controversy to fuel its hot box office, a new war of words broke out on Friday over whether the U.S. Army is stonewalling efforts to book the film at military bases.

But the organization that orders films for the 160 base theaters countered that it was the distributors -- Fellowship Adventure Group, IFC Films and Lions Gate Films -- that had the problem and noted they plan to stock base stores with the film's DVDs when they are released.

The movie, made by Oscar-winning director Michael Moore, has grossed over $113 million at domestic box offices and such a blockbuster would be routinely, and quickly, ordered up by the military.

But the movie presents a scathing view of President Bush's drive to war in Iraq, and it paints an unflattering view of the conduct of some U.S. military personnel. Although to be fair, many of the men and women fighting in Iraq are depicted as compassionate and caring.

Moore has made no secret of the fact he wants Bush ousted from office, and the film is undoubtedly anti-war.

"We have made all requested materials available to them, but unfortunately, a commitment to show the film has not been made," a Lions Gate spokeswoman said.

A spokesman for Fellowship Adventure Group claimed the military was stonewalling for obvious reasons.

Judd Anstey, public affairs specialist for the Army and Air Force Exchange Service which books movies for military base theaters, denied any suggestion the decision not to book the film had anything to do with its content and was solely based on business.

CONTENT OR COMMERCE?

The organization, called AAFES, is a non-appropriated government group, meaning that it is almost exclusively funded through its own ability to make money. The time between when "Fahrenheit 9/11" would be played in base theaters and when it would be sold on DVD was too short to allow it to make money, Anstey said.

"This was based on business standards," he told Reuters.

Anstey said it was only about a week ago that AAFES was told "Fahrenheit 9/11" would be available to the bases by Aug. 16.
By that time, AAFES had already booked base theaters with movies through Sept. 3, and with a reported DVD release date of Oct. 5, it simply didn't think enough base personnel would show up to make the movie profitable.

"Historically, for films screened within that type of time frame, the box office is marginal," he said.

Moreover, he said, its audience size was limited because it has played in civilian theaters since June 23.

But sources within the distribution group said AAFES was first contacted in mid-July, given an availability date of Aug. 16, and told 200 to 300 prints would be ready to go by then.

Sources at rival movie studios who asked to remain anonymous said both sides may have their points. Typically the military is fast to order up blockbuster movies that make over $100 million.

Just as typically, independent film distributors have fewer prints to ship around. With "Fahrenheit 9/11" playing so strongly, it may be that only recently the prints became available, the sources said.

The spokesman for Fellowship Adventure Group also noted that the DVD release date has yet to be official and has only been reported in the media.

Anstey said that without an official DVD release date, AAFES had to base its decision on what had been reported.

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h&s
16th August 2004, 14:07
Don't get me wrong - I love critisism of the U$ governments, but in a way I am not against this. Don't you think having to kill people as a job is bad enough, along with all of the natural doubts and guilty feelings that brings, without having more doubts over why they are there killing people. I do think that they should be racked with guilt for every man they have killed, but to have all of that while your doing the 'job' is one of the worst things I can imagine doing.

Kobbot 401
31st August 2004, 06:00
Im with hammer$sickleforever on this. Why would the goverment do something that might make the soilders question their athourity? They dont want any of the Americans overseas to turn on them.

wet blanket
31st August 2004, 06:33
Originally posted by hammer&[email protected] 16 2004, 02:07 PM
I do think that they should be racked with guilt for every man they have killed, but to have all of that while your doing the 'job' is one of the worst things I can imagine doing.
Why? Because perhaps it'll make them think twice about what they're doing?
OH SHIT!!!!! :o

Spare the sentimental bullshit. Every soldier who is in Iraq right now ought to be made to feel as guilty as possible about what they're doing, while they're doing the 'job' and long afterwards as well. They are the ones doing the killing, not Bush. They ought to feel responsible, as well as guilty as hell, for allowing themselves to unquestioningly become nothing short of a disposable pawn. Until these people begin to feel bad about what they're doing, they will continue to follow orders without question. Only when people see that what they're doing is wrong will they change their ways. That's not to say that this movie would cause some kind of immediate drop in morale. However we should not spare any soldier's feelings by letting him or her continue to be told that what he is doing is right.

Kobbot 401
31st August 2004, 07:50
come on dude, even though they are the ones killing people, they are bound by the goverment to follow their leaders orders even if it to the death. If they dissobey they they are imprisoned for treson.

Capn An
31st August 2004, 08:11
Is anyone even suprised by this?

Kobbot 401
31st August 2004, 08:17
Im not, i know that the United States wouldent let their soilders be affected in any why by Fahrenheit 9 11, they are very keen on keeping people in the army they wouldent take any risk of haveing soilders leave.

wet blanket
31st August 2004, 08:31
Originally posted by Kobbot [email protected] 31 2004, 07:50 AM
come on dude, even though they are the ones killing people, they are bound by the goverment to follow their leaders orders even if it to the death. If they dissobey they they are imprisoned for treson.
:rolleyes: What a cop-out.
Taking personal responsibility and organized dissent is the only way that the US military could ever change. The idea that they are 'bound by the government' is a ridiculous fabrication and an EXCUSE for not doing the right thing. In the end, it's up to the individual, consequences be damned.

There's absolutely no reason to believe that this will ever end as long as we continue to support the troops and treat these people like heros. The morale needs to fall, we need to stop telling these people that they're doing a good job, they need to feel guilty, and dissent will follow.

The truth sucks sometimes, but it's about time each and every soldier realizes that he/she is doing something very wrong.

Capn An
31st August 2004, 08:34
Originally posted by Kobbot [email protected] 31 2004, 07:50 AM
come on dude, even though they are the ones killing people, they are bound by the goverment to follow their leaders orders even if it to the death. If they dissobey they they are imprisoned for treson.
They understood the circumstances when they joined the army and they knew what they would be doing. It's not like they were tricked into this Catch 22.

FriedFrog
1st September 2004, 10:18
Don't you think having to kill people as a job is bad enough, along with all of the natural doubts and guilty feelings that brings, without having more doubts over why they are there killing people.

Come on! Soldiers are TRAINED to kill. They are trained to see the target only as a target. They're not some disgruntled husband who's just murdered his wife after discovering an affair, racked with guilty feelings. Most of them will be proud for what they are doing and what they are carrying out. Admittedly there will be the occasional 'bilp' who does not beleive what he/she is doing is right. As Capn An says:


They understood the circumstances when they joined the army and they knew what they would be doing.

Hate Is Art
1st September 2004, 13:58
The film is over-rated anyway, it's hard to see why the war is wrong and if you can't understand why it is wrong then you probably couldn't sit through the 3 hours of this film, which IMO, is far too long.

I doubt most people in the army would want to see it anyways.

wet blanket
1st September 2004, 20:10
Originally posted by The Arcadian [email protected] 1 2004, 01:58 PM
The film is over-rated anyway, it's hard to see why the war is wrong and if you can't understand why it is wrong then you probably couldn't sit through the 3 hours of this film, which IMO, is far too long.

I doubt most people in the army would want to see it anyways.
The film wasn't great, just a typical Moore hack-job. Though as long as it has the potential to lower morale, I think that they ought to distribute it.

cormacobear
1st September 2004, 22:19
Soldiers are voters. The military establishmenthas a morale obligation to see that it's soldiers are as well informed on public issues as any civilian.

After Canadian soldiers, having tortured a Somalian boy to death, tried to get off saying they were just obeying orders, the Canadian military changed military law to state a soldier is required to disregard any order that contravenes intl. law or the articles of war.

Do you think that a similair change will ever occur without soldiers coming to realize the difference between honourable actions and depraved.
Most of the changes in the way military's carry out their duties comes from within the forces.

After all they are a very large, very well armed Union of sorts.

redtrigger
2nd September 2004, 19:05
What people do not realize about this film is that is not a true documentary. At its core it is Hollywood, and the only thing Hollywood is interested in is money. Sure it "exposes" Bush, but everyone with half a brain already knows Bush is not the best President. If you want to know the facts engage in private research, the truth, not what is being sold to you will be far scarier. So what the army wants to bar the film from it's bases. You have to remember the original purpose of the army is to protect the ideals of the constitution, and the President's public portrayal, as wells as the principles of capitalism and democracy fall under that creed. The army is doing its job so do yours. Use the powers entitled to you under the Constitution to do yours. Carry the banner of revolution, fulfill your purpose.