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Cheech06
15th August 2004, 21:39
Hugo Chavez is a perfect example of how a country can be leftist with out a revolution...not sayin that i dont support a revolution. I think that a non violent movement would be better in tryin to convert a country into socialism. Just think, if u have a revolution, the U.S. will send arms and people to defend the goverment that is tryin to be overthrown. If the revolution is successful there will be a dictator inserted in the goverment...somethin that I strongly oppose. If the goverment was won by force..the only way to change it is by force, something that could happen. In Hugos case, he is being voted on by the people.

If he wins...what can the U.S. do? Hopefully Hugo will be the best thing that happened to Venenzuela, he needs to set an example for the rest of latin america. Fidel is doin a good job by backin Hugo, im pretty positive that he will win the election.

Cheech06
15th August 2004, 21:41
how often does Venenzuela have presidential elections?

fernando
15th August 2004, 21:54
The US could say the results are false...they could start a war (I mean they did it in Iraq....sure they can make some sort of excuse), they could support para military terrorists who will terrorize the country for many years, demoralising the people.

Like Kennedy said: "If there is any danger of another Castro rising, we will always pick a Trujillo!"

colombiano
16th August 2004, 03:34
I believe their elections take place every 6 years.

herr_Nosferatu
16th August 2004, 08:35
Hola amigos !!!!!

It appears that, according to preliminary reports, our comrade and ally Hugo Chavez is taking the lead in the referendum...

It appears, again according to early reports that ARE subject to possible change, that with 58% Hugo shall win !!!!!

May we hope he strives to become an ever stronger ally to Fidel and that our dreams for a better, more human and decent South America comes to truth, finally!

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE !!!!!

:hammer: :hammer: :hammer:

Guest1
16th August 2004, 08:46
The reports are official reports from the elections commission with 94% of the vote tallied.

Whatever change happens, it is likely to dramatically increase his win, cause the rest of the ballots to be counted are in the countryside.

Two of the three elections officials have objected however, bastards <_<


4:10 a.m. CNE president Francisco Carrasquero: Chavez wins 58.2%

Shortly after 4:00 a.m. this morning, National Elections Council (CNE) president Francisco Carresquero went on linked radio/TV to announce preliminary results in yesterday&#39;s recall referendum with 94.49% of votes alreadt tallied: President Hugo Chavez Frias got 4,991,483 votes (58.25%) while the opposition mustered only 3,576,557 votes (41.74%).

CNE directors Sobella Mejias and Ezequiel Zamora, known for their opposition allegiances, have launched an objection in a brief press conference following Carrasquero&#39;s statement.

Their objection appears to be grounded in scrutineering of the results since the physical voting slips have not yet been delivered to CNE HQ in Caracas and the numbers are based on data from SmartMatic voting machines used in Sunday&#39;s process.

Effectively, a recount has been called although there is little likelihood that President Hugo Chavez Frias&#39; 58.2% majority win will be very much affected by what is now down to a paper trail audit.

http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=22443

Louis Pio
16th August 2004, 08:49
Hugo Chavez is a perfect example of how a country can be leftist with out a revolution...not sayin that i dont support a revolution. I think that a non violent movement would be better in tryin to convert a country into socialism. Just think, if u have a revolution, the U.S. will send arms and people to defend the goverment that is tryin to be overthrown. If the revolution is successful there will be a dictator inserted in the goverment...somethin that I strongly oppose. If the goverment was won by force..the only way to change it is by force, something that could happen. In Hugos case, he is being voted on by the people.

Well what we see in Venezuela is that the opposition tries to use every means to remove him, even violence. This they can do because their base of power is still there ie. ownership of the means of production. So it&#39;s not a question of violence vs. nonviolence. But a question of being willing to take the neccessary steps. That means removing private ownership of production and ´defend it with violence if neccessary.

Btw Chavez won the recall referendum with a bit over 58% of the vote. :)

Guest1
16th August 2004, 08:51
Read the above, comrade.

h&s
16th August 2004, 08:52
Now he&#39;s won (well not yet, but its in the bag) we need to watch to se what the U&#036; and the opposition will do. 58-42% seems like a narrow(ish) majority, and all the news reports yesterday were saying that a close margin would almost definitly lead to instability. The U&#036; foreign office were also going on about how they don&#39;t consider Chavez to have been democratically elected (eh?&#33;?). The opposition aren&#39;t just going to take this lying down.

herr_Nosferatu
16th August 2004, 08:56
Yep, you&#39;re right with that Comrade Marijuana.....

That&#39;s what I implied with saying that things are subject to change, in the sense that his triumphant win will only be strengthened by more countryside votes....


Ah, finally the South shall rise again..... Let us hope, pray, fight and struggle to bring about a united and stronger than ever South America, to counter balance the evil north in which we live in....


Comrade Che, Su opinión de un mundo mejor está viniendo a la realidad &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

Si Amigo &#33; Sus palabras vivirán por siempre &#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;

HASTA LA VICTORIA SIEMPRE.....

:hammer: :cuba: :hammer: :cuba: :hammer:

DaCuBaN
16th August 2004, 09:01
Chavez won the recall referendum with a bit over 58% of the vote

That&#39;s the first time I heard the news. You&#39;ve made this one man very happy :) Sure, he&#39;s yet to prove himself - but I can remain hopeful.

He&#39;s hopefully going to be considerably better than his opposition, at any rate.

Louis Pio
16th August 2004, 09:04
you can all check it here http://www.vheadline.com/main.asp
or here http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/

duk
16th August 2004, 09:09
CHAVEZ HAS WON&#33;&#33;&#33; ALL SOCIALISTS IN LEBANON AND ALL THE ARAB WORLD SAY GOOD LUCK FOR CHAVEZ&#33;&#33; HOPE THAT EVERY COUNTRY WILL BECOME LEFTIST&#33;&#33; WE ARE WAITIN FOR USA IN SYRIA AND LEBANON TO FIGHT THEM&#33;
[COLOR=red] VIVA LA REVOLUTION&#33; VIVA CHAVEZ&#33; :hammer:

Lacrimi de Chiciură
16th August 2004, 09:15
I AM very happy to hear this too&#33; :) How is it that the US is saying that he was not elected democraticly? :(

h&s
16th August 2004, 09:19
Well they have a very twisted sense of the word democracy (Bu&#036;h election, anyone?). They are siding with the middle-class in Venezuela, and they backed the coup a few years a go.
They are also saying that they want to get rid of Chavez as he is selling cut-price oil to Cuba in return for doctors, and he is not selling any to the U&#036;. They say that by selling oil to Cuba he is helping the Castro regime, which they want rid of.

DaCuBaN
16th August 2004, 09:43
The hair is standing up on the back of my neck... for some reason I&#39;m absolute thrilled.

August 15, 2004, will forever shine in world history (http://www.vheadline.com/readnews.asp?id=22441)

Intifada
16th August 2004, 10:00
Brilliant news, but the struggle will not end here.

herr_Nosferatu
16th August 2004, 10:17
Of course not, Intifada, quite the opposite....&#33;

It starts here, it continues here.... This victory gives us fuel to continue the struggle for a just, free and beautiful world for all to live in....

Congratulations to you amigo Chavez, may this win unite all other left governments in the south... and bring Cuba into consideration.