Cuba added to axis of evil

[jimr]

As the US continues its imperialistic campaign over all of the world I think back to the Spanish Civil war.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/ame...000/1971852.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1971000/1971852.stm)
It was perhaps inevitable that cuba would be named as a terror state but nonetheless sad. In 1936 Franco and his Italian and German fascist allies annexed the Popular Government duelly elected In Spain. The international community watched as a legitimite government was massacred. Thousands of communists, socialists and anti-fascists flocked to defend Spain. I begin to wonder would the same happen in Cuba.

If an American assualt, like the one seen in Afghanistan was to take place in Cuba would you like to think that you would take up the call to arms and defend Cuba.

Personally had I the resources to reach Cuba I would say that I definatly would go even if it was only on a humanitarion effort. We cannot let the US's grand war on "terrorism" engulf the work that the likes of Che and Fidel have helped created.

Hasta la victoria siempre!

[queen of diamonds]

at this rate, the war on terror is going to engulf everyone but the US themselves....
i have to ask, what is alienating countries like this really going to achieve?

[Dhul Fiqar]

Bush needs a boogieman to divert attention from how much he looks like a chimp. The closer to home, the better for him, and the chimps ;)

Seriously, I think they've tried often enough to kill Castro that it's gotten old and somewhat comical. The poisonous cigar and the attempt to spray him with LSD on live television were symptoms of their Castro curse.

If they really wanted to go kill him it would take an invasion or massive bombardment, and that would be unpopular in the current political climate.

Then again, it's not like this administration is up for any popularity awards anyway... :(

--- G. Raven

[jimr]

I disagree, I see this war on terrorism as gradually building up steam leading them from enemy to enemy of the US eliminating them all. I would not be surprised if America invaded Cuba within teh next five years.

[concerned]

Cuba does sponsor terrorism in Latinamerica. It is also a place where many guerrilla members go to hide. It was about time somebody said somerhing about it!

[jimr]

One mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter.

America spreads terrorism across the globe, if what you say is true, then America is by far not the most fitting country to do anything about it.

[flames of the flag]

i'm not surprised, Bush is probably worried that his ignorant subjects would realize that in Cuba people are happy with a non-capitalist society, and that might hurtr his popularity. But i am worried, i dont think that cuba could hold its own against the american tyrant. If america does take military action against cuba, the best i could do would probably be protest, wich if it comes to that i will do. Let's just hope that the spirit of che will be with the cubans.
-flames

[Menshevik]

people arent happy in Cuba, it's one of the poorest countries in the world under the rule of dinosaur in army fatigues.
America is [b]not[b/] going to attack Cuba, it just isn't going to happen. No one gives a fuck if Cuba remains Communist--the US will just continue to embargo it-- the USSR is no longer in existance, so Cuba poses 0 threat to any country, especially the US. If the US invaded Cuba because of its "war on terrorism" it would only create an international incident not worth the trouble of invading. So I would cut the self-righteous paranoia, it aint gonna happen.

[jimr]

What is your obsession with material possesions. Please do not determine happiness via wealth. The vast majority of the Cuban population DOES support Castro and its not hard to see why. He delivered them from Batista, he has built up Cuba to have a lower infant mortality rate than America, the same life expectancy and all of this with America and half the world embargoing it.

You are truly naive if you think American Foriegn policy is indeed so rational that it would not invade Cuba. America seeks to demonize its oppenants before it attacks them. America is attempting to take out all of its political enemies one by one. First through the Cold war, then through the war on drugs, and now through the war on terrorism. I suggest you wake up before calling me paranoid.

[Menshevik]

Oh please, I am not obsessed with material possessions. Have you ever been to Cuba? Well, if you have then you would know that a "vast majority of the people" DO NOT support Castro. When you walk the streets of Havana and you see 14 year old girls wearing cocktail dresses (you guessed it, theyre prostitutes), willing to fuck dozens of Italian tourists for a couple of dollars because their families are starving, then I give you permission to tell me that everyone in Cuba are such happy people. Maybe 50 years ago Castro was popular, but that was 50 fucking years ago, we're talking about NOW. I admit that wealth does not mean happiness, but not having enough to eat, no clothing, working several jobs, and not having adequate shelter doesn't leave a lot of room for happiness. What if you complain? Then youre thrown in prison until you confess to being a counter-revolutionary and treated as a convict the rest of your life.
The US military is a paper tiger. They might look fierce, but in the end they would rather just bomb a country and call it quits, than have an American soldier's life put in jeopardy. You overestimate the amount of force the US is willing to use, this isn't the 1960s anymore. So please pull your head out of you ass and stop making ridiculous claims like "the vast majority of Cubans support Castro."

[sypher]

what is the current list that our brave president (sarcasism *SP*) has created for his "axis of evil"

[jimr]

Menshevik, why do you need to be so bitter and intolerant of someone elses views. Maybe you should go to some Fascist site it would suit you better. The only reason America is not willing to risk soldiers is because of the effect on Popular opinion. Even then it continues to mask casualty figures during combat with accidents in other areas of the world increasing ten fold when a major mission is under way.

The entire war against terrorism is reshaping the mindset of the American people to prepare them for higher casualty rates. Stop being so fucking arrogant with your views like you know every fucking fact. If you think me wrong, say it in an organised manner, do not rant on and get angry on a message board because everyone does not simply agree with you.

I know people who have been to Cuba, and various other international reports that would not be under any special obligation to be lie in favour of Cuba have told of living conditions far beyond what you are claiming.

Even the fucking BBC did a program on how Cuba has been progressing even with the embargos.

How is it that the international community and various UN envoys have clarified that Cuba has made the most advances out of all of the devloping countries in the world, while being one of only two countries in the world who do not recieve aid from the world bank.

Go fack yourself you arrogant bastard.

[RGacky3]

even that damn cappie colen powell agnollaged that castro has helped cuba out a lot. I really don'y get it, why is america holding such an old grudge on cuba, just becouse of their blind hatred of communists

[Menshevik]

jimr please excuse me, I didn't mean to get out of control; arrogance is the last image I want to portray. I think everyone is entitled to his opinion, especially on a public message board. You weren't being out of line, I was. I just am passionately anti-Castro and sometimes I forget that other people disagree with me. But I'm going to say this now in a completely organized, polite manner: you're simply wrong. Of course Castro has improved Cuba by leaps and bounds, but unfortunately his improvements just don't add up to his failures. If you ever chance by Cuba in your lifetime, talk to the people you will see what I'm "ranting" about. I mean, improving medicare under international embargos just isn't enough if you're going to perpetuate a tyrannical dictatorship. Again you are not wrong in saying that Cuba has improved since the days of Batista, but that doesn't mean Castro is well liked. I don't know, maybe you're reading the wrong newspapers.

Aside from that, please forgive me I meant no offense.

[PunkRawker677]

Jimr, I'm here to save the day!.. lol
Menshevik. I've been to cuba, and go very often. Castro has support, and his failures come no where near his accomplishments. Castro's support in cuba is about 60-40 or something along those lines. You want a personal experience. Me, and WildFlower have both been to cuba, and are current planning to collaborate over the next year to put together a photo journal and written interviews.

Castro has done so much for cuba and everyone, including you, are so oblivious to this. Castro is holding together a country (which still provides free education and medical care to everyone, even up to the masters degree level) which is embargoed by the world's super power, who has harrased all of its allies to not trade with cuba, and anyone who does trade with cuba limits their chances of trade with the U$.

Castro's done a damn good job, but i dont even with the dictatorship. If the U.S. invaded cuba, i would definitly take up arms and defend them. My family is tehre, and the U$ has a reputation of killing innocent civilians way to often.

[concerned]

Menshevik, great comments.

To everyone else,
Castro's support is very questionable. For one thing so many people have escaped the island, that it would be unfair not to count them in, they left for a reason, and this is not because things are wonderful in Cuba or that they like Castro. Also, in Cuba, if you disagree with the regime, you go to jail. There are countless political prisoners in Cuba, it would be unfair not to count their opinion as well, now would it... only problem is they are not really accessible for any interviews...

So that leaves us with the rest of the cubans that have managed to stay out of jail and haven't been able to leave the island. Out of this people, how the hell do you come up with a number like 60-40 for Castro's support. It seems to me that you are pulling that number out of your ass together with a lot of your arguments. Even if people don't support the regime, they would tend to be afraid to express a bad comment of it in public, because different opinions are just not very well tolerated in Cuba. And Cuba doesn't keep statistics of any kind, and if it did I seriously question the legitimacy of them.

I have been to Cuba too, and when I was there with the people I talked with, once we were in private, they weren't too happy and a least a couple of them expressed me a great deal of frustration. Plus if you have ever seen Habana, houses are really old and they seem about to fall apart. There seems to be holes everywhere on houses and on people's laundry... that was pretty much the view from my hotel ( to which of course no cuban could access, except for the teenage females who stand guard wherever tourists frequent so they can earn a buck or two to feed their families.

And of course you don't need material things to be happy. You can leave in a tree or in a cave for all I know and be happy. I guess if you take it from that point of view, any system would be good.

But if we look at human nature, usually people want stuff. Not all of them, but the vast majority. People prefer to leave in the house by the beach that on a tree. When you have a family, you want to provide them with a comfortable life, and these includes lots of things.

But anyway, you people don't have to worry about the U.S. invading Cuba. Cuba is just not worth the trouble invading.

[Menshevik]

Thank you Concerned. Punkrawker, tell me, how do you feel about Castro's persecution of homosexuals. Are you anti-gay as well as pro despotism?

[PunkRawker677]

Hmm.. i never said i supported castro's authority. I said i supported the amount of good he has done for the country. I didnt say i supported the bad. I was just trying to bring out the good cause most the people exclusivly bring out the bad. I am NOT a supporter of castro, but please dont be oblivious to the good he has done.

I am pretty tired, as i asumme many others are, of debating about cuba's condition. We have had about 15 posts in the last month, which has gotten us no where.. I have said all i need to say, and if you wanna know what i think, go read the old posts.

[Menshevik]

In that case I'll just say one more thing, I am by no means oblivious to the obvious good that Castro has done in Cuba. But I cannot in turn forget the bad that he continues to do in Cuba. That's all I'm trying to say, not once have I said that Castro has done nothing but fuck Cuba up from the inside out--no thats the exact opposite of my convictions--yet you insist on telling me about the "good things" he has accomplished. And hey, that's fine, but don't expect me not to remind you everytime of the crimes he has committed. And, Comrade, I feel the same way, let us stop this useless bickering about Castro; I am certain that more good has yet to come out of the Cuban situation.
Peace~

[queen of diamonds]

Quote: from sypher on 2:44 pm on June 18, 2002
what is the current list that our brave president (sarcasism *SP*) has created for his "axis of evil"


so far.....iran, iraq, north korea, cuba, libya & syria

[armed dready]

I would go for sure to fight the yankee terrorists!!!!!!!
I was so enraged when I read what the u.s. said about cuba!!!!!!!!!!!

ARM IN ARM WITH ARMS,WE GO TO FIGHT THE STRUGGLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[concerned]

armed dready:
And I would go for sure to fight against you. You are the terrorist, and you are so stupid you cannot eve realize it..