CLUB Med Cuba being sued

[Commie Girl]

CubaSource (http://www.cubasource.org/chronicles/july04.htm)

What?

July 8: Elvira de la Vega Glen, now 95 and living in Miami, wants Club Med, the company that built a 337-room luxury hotel in her property, at Varadero Beach, Cuba, to pay her family for using their confiscated land. Glen’s oceanfront property was confiscated after the family fled in 1959 by the Cuban government. “I don't see any reason why Club Med should be there,'' Glen said. “They didn't buy it from me. What would you think if someone just went ahead and built something on your land without asking? I'm furious.'' Glen and her son, now 60, filed a federal suit against French corporations Club Mediterranée and Club Mediterranée Group for ''wrongful exploitation'' of the family's property and ``unjust enrichment.'' Club Med profited richly from the five-star resort, the suit claims, but refused to share any of the money with the Glens. The family wants compensation for the seven years the resort has been in business. The suit, to be filed in Miami, also seeks to show that by working with the Cuban government to develop the Varadero resort, Club Med violated the Trading with the Enemy Act. Club Med issued a statement from Paris on Wednesday saying it had not yet been served in the lawsuit and could not respond to specific allegations. (The Miami Herald

[Ortega]

So you're supporting Club Med now. Wonderful. Because this particular Club Med is in the socialist utopia of Cuba, and this particular exile is living in the "U$" ( and she's probably an evil kkkapitalist, too! :o ), you're supporting Club Med against an innocent Cuban exile whose land was stolen, blatantly, by a chain of "upscale resorts"?!

Club Med, if you aren't aware, is a place for the world's "elite". It's the worst kind of resort - an overpriced den of luxury for those who want to be "removed from the lower classes", for those who want to "see the beauty of the tropics without having to worry about the dirty commoners". It's the kind of place that Cuba welcomed during Batista's time.

Secondly, how on earth can you justify calling a 95-year old Cuban exile a "U$ B**ch"?! Because she's obviously a terrible kkkapitalist, I guess, I mean she is living in Miami.

A government came to power that this woman, Elvira de la Vega Glen, did not support. She left her home for a more politically welcoming place, because she felt in danger.

Totally fair. Castro did the same for a time in the 1950's.

She kept the deed to her property, hoping to return when a government that she could feel safe living under returned to power. Totally fair, she has ( and had ) the right to her own land.

An elite chain of resorts, working only for the interests of the rich and famous, took the land in Cuba that she had always hoped to return to, without so much as asking. This, my friend, is where things take a turn for the worse. It was wrong for Club Med to move onto someone's land without asking. Even worse, Club Med's only intentions were to develop it into a resort for the world's rich and famous.

I don't see your logic.

[Commie Girl]

You are right....now the U$ needs to give back the land they stole fromn the Mexicans and the Native Americans....fits your logic.

Or maybe all the land the Jews lost in WWII should be given back to their rightful owners. This woman needs to give it up, the land was returned to the PEOPLE of CUBA, and they chose to use this land to develop a tourism industry to support THEIR economy!

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by Jacobo [email protected] 14 2004, 06:47 PM
So you're supporting Club Med now. Wonderful. Because this particular Club Med is in the socialist utopia of Cuba, and this particular exile is living in the "U$" ( and she's probably an evil kkkapitalist, too! :o ), you're supporting Club Med against an innocent Cuban exile whose land was stolen, blatantly, by a chain of "upscale resorts"?!

Club Med, if you aren't aware, is a place for the world's "elite". It's the worst kind of resort - an overpriced den of luxury for those who want to be "removed from the lower classes", for those who want to "see the beauty of the tropics without having to worry about the dirty commoners". It's the kind of place that Cuba welcomed during Batista's time.

Secondly, how on earth can you justify calling a 95-year old Cuban exile a "U$ B**ch"?! Because she's obviously a terrible kkkapitalist, I guess, I mean she is living in Miami.

A government came to power that this woman, Elvira de la Vega Glen, did not support. She left her home for a more politically welcoming place, because she felt in danger.

Totally fair. Castro did the same for a time in the 1950's.

She kept the deed to her property, hoping to return when a government that she could feel safe living under returned to power. Totally fair, she has ( and had ) the right to her own land.

An elite chain of resorts, working only for the interests of the rich and famous, took the land in Cuba that she had always hoped to return to, without so much as asking. This, my friend, is where things take a turn for the worse. It was wrong for Club Med to move onto someone's land without asking. Even worse, Club Med's only intentions were to develop it into a resort for the world's rich and famous.

I don't see your logic.
The land was not stolen....it was repatriated to the People of Cuba...she chose to leave. I don t support Club Med, the Cuban government can do what they like with their island.



The elite chain of resorts didnt take the land, they are using it to bring in money for the cionomy of Cuba

[Individual]

The Nike corporation is used to bring up the economy of Indonesia and China.

Does that necessarily help the people?


You are right....now the U$ needs to give back the land they stole fromn the Mexicans and the Native Americans....fits your logic.

Hey, let's get as politically correct as we can!

All of mankind needs to give all of the land back to the animals. The animals then to nature. Nature then to nothing. And nothing needs to give back to something for having nothing.

I love it.

I believe he was trying to make a point. How can you, in support of Marxism, get off in defending a company that could give two shits about the economy of Cuba.

I bet they care so much about the economy of Cuba that they are in the works in closing down their locations in all non-socialist societies.

I never knew they cared so much! Damn that lady, damn her to hell! How dare she wish her property back!

I say we hang her, who knows the damage she may cause upon society at that ripe age of ninety-five.

In fact, I say we donate money to that big ass company in order to compensate for the profits they may loose.

As a Marxist, I hereby initiate the Donations for a bigger and better Club Med!

All donations can be sent to:

P.O. box 1234 The World Revolves Anyway Road
ISupportCorporations, InsteadofOldLadies

Generousity Appreciated! We will get those old ladies!

edit: Waits for RAF's witty comment defending ignorance inspite of throwing out a few insults towards his most beloved fellow Che-Lives members..

[Ortega]

So you're saying you support corporations, so long as they're "government-approved corporations"? What about Enron? Halliburton? Our government's pretty close with those corporations. Or maybe you only support the corporations approved by the amazing, infallible Cuban government lead by that saint Fidel Castro.

Cuba's people obviously don't want a Club Med. I'm sure there are quite a few things they'd like more - decent hospitals, used to treat actual Cubans rather than to give wealthy Europeans cheap plastic surgery? Maybe a resort that wouldn't cost an actual Cuban several lifetimes of pay, at least?

And why, exactly, did that old lady deserve to have her land "taken back by The People Of Cuba (Fidel Castro and a few suck-ups hoping to get in good with the government)"? Was it because she was a kkkapitalist traitor, god forbid? Or maybe a dirty, bourgeios, hater-of-the-Cuban-people who dared to move to Miami (for what she probably thought would be only a few years) for her own safety?!

How any real Marxist can support a multi-national elitist billion-dollar corporation like Club Med is beyond me.

AQ, I've just sent $250 to your fund. It's small, but it's a start! I'd like to encourage you to all donate! Maybe a few of you Florida members can go down to Miami and picket that old lady's house in the name of Club Med. We'll wait until she starts to starve, and then we'll make her give us all of her money in the name of a Bigger, Better, Club Med in Cuba! Hasta la victoria siempre!

http://www.clubmed.com

[Vinny Rafarino]

you're supporting Club Med against an innocent Cuban exile whose land was stolen, blatantly, by a chain of "upscale resorts"?!

I don't think it's a matter of "supporting Club Med"; it's a matter of law.

Throughout history (and most prevalent in capitalist nations) when a governmental body changes hands, the new government has the "right to reclaim all property withing their territory.

Since you are now a useless supporter of capitalism and the USA, if you bother to read into the history of the USA, you will find that after the revolutionary war or after the USA bought or "won" new territories they had the right (and fully exercised that right, even on their own revoutionary war and pioneer "heros") to reclaim land granted lawfully to another.

For instance after the revolutionary war, Daniel Boone had his land stripped from him by the new yanqui government after Kentucky was deemed as "valuable" rather than "inhospitable".

He was then granted land in Missouri by Spain only to have it revoked from him after the land was purchased by the Yanquis.

So you see son, if you are going to jump ship and support another system, you should at least know what it is you are supporting; the reclamation of land is a time honoured and quite capitalist tradition.

So get over it.



Club Med, if you aren't aware, is a place for the world's "elite

:lol:

Only if those "elites" wanted to have a laugh by "slumming around where the help vacations". Elites don't vacation in spots where the "group rate" is $95.00 per night in Cancun ((clubmedgroups.com). As a matter of fact, "elites" don't vacation anywhere that even has a group rate.

Do you even know what Club Med is?



It's the worst kind of resort - an overpriced den of luxury for those who want to be "removed from the lower classes", for those who want to "see the beauty of the tropics without having to worry about the dirty commoners". It's the kind of place that Cuba welcomed during Batista's time.


You're full of it. All you get at Club Med are "dirty commoners", silly.


And why, exactly, did that old lady deserve to have her land "taken back by The People Of Cuba

I have already explained that to you son.



Secondly, how on earth can you justify calling a 95-year old Cuban exile a "U$ B**ch"?! Because she's obviously a terrible kkkapitalist, I guess, I mean she is living in Miami.


Who cares? Perhaps she is a *****. From my experience, anyone who is still alive at the age of 95 is a *****. :lol:


She kept the deed to her property, hoping to return when a government that she could feel safe living under returned to power. Totally fair, she has ( and had ) the right to her own land.


Why? Because you are confused?

That's not a good enough reason.


It was wrong for Club Med to move onto someone's land without asking

It was not her land.


Club Med's only intentions were to develop it into a resort for the world's rich and famous.


No it wasn't.

Do you think that communists will suddenly "cease to vacation" after the revolution?

Dolt.



believe he was trying to make a point. How can you, in support of Marxism, get off in defending a company that could give two shits about the economy of Cuba.


Not this tired bullshit again. Perhaps we should also boycott every other corporation too; we can all live in caves and eat grass. You're confused.

In any case, where exactly do you stand on capitalism and leftism AQ? Eventually you are going to stop dodging the question, you know you will; you don't have enough sense not to.


So you're saying you support corporations, so long as they're "government-approved corporations"? What about Enron? Halliburton? Our government's pretty close with those corporations. Or maybe you only support the corporations approved by the amazing, infallible Cuban government lead by that saint Fidel Castro

No dopey, he/she is supporting Cubas right to use the land as they please. You should be happy that the USA led war against Cuba has finally led to capitalist reforms in Cuba.


How any real Marxist can support a multi-national elitist billion-dollar corporation like Club Med is beyond me

You're right, we don't. You're still confused; I will now post a portion of DJ's last post:

" I don't support Club Med [but] the Cuban government can do what they like with their island".


Get it now?

[Ortega]

Since you are now a useless supporter of capitalism and the USA
And that's where I stopped reading...

[Individual]

Throughout history (and most prevalent in capitalist nations) when a governmental body changes hands, the new government has the "right to reclaim all property withing their territory.

You just said it yourself. In capitalist nations. Isn't this your beloved socialist Cuba we are talking of? And you are defending authoriative power in taking away from the people!

Who are you constantly putting at the end of the capitalist jokes; because I think it should be yourself.

Let alone.. Your ignorance shows up twice in one statement.

I didn't realize that the 95 year old lady was her own government in an exchange over land with a real government. In fact, ClubMed isn't a governmental body.

Your comparison is worthless and irrelevant in what you are trying to argue.

RAF.. You refute yourself.. I'm not sure whether it's worth refuting anything you have to say anymore. You do it for me with ignorance.

You've admitted on numerous occasions that you are extremely bias. You cannot acknowledge that you are wrong when you clearly are.

I'm willing to go back and count how many have told you that you are wrong here in the past week. I bet I couldn't count them on both hands. :huh:

How many other people must tell you before you actually acknowledge it.

Or I forgot, the Christian god has the final answer; what makes you any different. You go right ahead and give yourself an ego massage with that one.


I don't think it's a matter of "supporting Club Med"; it's a matter of law.

Must be some law if she is enabled to file a lawsuit.

Would you care sharing just which law that may be? :huh:


Since you are now a useless supporter of capitalism and the USA

He's such an avid supporter that he's even defending the company practicing capitalism, Club Med.

Oh wait, that's you.


Since you are now a useless supporter of capitalism and the USA, if you bother to read into the history of the USA, you will find that after the revolutionary war or after the USA bought or "won" new territories they had the right (and fully exercised that right, even on their own revoutionary war and pioneer "heros") to reclaim land granted lawfully to another.

For instance after the revolutionary war, Daniel Boone had his land stripped from him by the new yanqui government after Kentucky was deemed as "valuable" rather than "inhospitable".

He was then granted land in Missouri by Spain only to have it revoked from him after the land was purchased by the Yanquis.

I hadn't realize the United States and it's revolutionary war had anything to do with this conversation.

Though you seem to like fillers.

You are discussing the exchange of land between nations. We are discussing stolen land taken from what a Marxist society is supposed to represent, the people.

Which side are you on?


Only if those "elites" wanted to have a laugh by "slumming around where the help vacations". Elites don't vacation in spots where the "group rate" is $95.00 per night in Cancun ((clubmedgroups.com). As a matter of fact, "elites" don't vacation anywhere that even has a group rate.

Do you even know what Club Med is?

So that's what took you so long.. You thought it would be a get'em where it hurts with your nifty group rate thrown in there.

If you knew anything about the travel industry you would realize that these companies give discounts to groups for one reason, and one reason alone..

The more people they can get to go, the more money they make.

Here's how it works, as you obviously hadn't figured it out..

They offer it to you cheaper if you go in groups. So in turn you get your little group togethor and head on down. Gee, with more people at there resort you didn't think they were going to make less money did you?

More food, more drinks, more service, more time. Think about it, it's called demographics. Too big a word, well marketing will do for now.

But I'm sure you already thought that far into it. You genius there with your ingenious I found a cheap group rate spat.

Group rates. You want a Duff beer with that? Maybe Club Med will open up a resort in Springfield and you can hang out with Barney at Moe's. Just bring a group, it'll be cheaper.


As a matter of fact, "elites" don't vacation anywhere that even has a group rate.

This one got me just about as hard..

You assume that these "elites" splurge on everything. That they go out of their way to spend their money, that they search for the most expensive place on the planet just in order to spend their money.

Where is your search for the priciest room at ClubMed?

Here's an example for you..

The German company Volkswagon, you know the one that makes your everyday Volkswagon beetle, or how about the old VW bus? Eh, yeah I figured you like those..

Well it just so turns out Volkswagon owns Audi, you know the luxory car.

It also turns out that Volkswagon owns BMW, you know the 745i.

What if I told you that your measely little Volkswagon, the one that makes your measely little VW bus, owns what could be considered the nicest car on the road; the Benteley. Isn't Benteley part of Rolls Royce?

Holy shit god, you mean that shitty little company that makes that shitty little van turned out the produce what could be considered the luxory of cars.

And you are pissing your pants over a group rate?

You obviously don't realize how companies make money, how marketing works. They market to a wide spectrum of guests, that is how they make so much damn money. You found your group rate. Do their suites come the same? :huh:

I found the center of the tootsie pop. :)


Perhaps we should also boycott every other corporation too; we can all live in caves and eat grass. You're confused.

Of course I don't think we should boycott corporations.

I hadn't a care in the world of Club Med until I noticed that a said to be Marxist decided that a ninety-five year old lady was a ***** because a capitalist corporation is using her land to make millions.


In any case, where exactly do you stand on capitalism and leftism AQ? Eventually you are going to stop dodging the question, you know you will; you don't have enough sense not to.

I've made it this far eh? I must have some sense as people of your stature get off in dwelling over my ideology.

I'm a devil's advocate RAF, I thought you knew. Maybe you'll know what that one means as redstar had trouble with the meaning of that one.

" I don't support Club Med [but] the Cuban government can do what they like with their island".

So as Marxists we are defending authoriative power that is used against its people?

As you have used her quote, I'll use on of your own..

You're confused.


I love chocolate, especially after finding it in the center of a tootsie pop.

[Commie Girl]

Originally posted by [email protected] 14 2004, 11:37 PM






You just said it yourself. In capitalist nations. Isn't this your beloved socialist Cuba we are talking of? And you are defending authoriative power in taking away from the people!

Who are you constantly putting at the end of the capitalist jokes; because I think it should be yourself.

Let alone.. Your ignorance shows up twice in one statement.

Okay, once again, the government of Cuba has the right to decide how their property will be used. They chose to let a company (that would be ClubMed) build a resort on Government land. I DO NOT support ClubMed, never said that. I support the rights of the Cuban people, the ones who stayed and wanted to support the Revolution. That is who owns the land.


I didn't realize that the 95 year old lady was her own government in an exchange over land with a real government. In fact, ClubMed isn't a governmental body
Your comparison is worthless and irrelevant in what you are trying to argue.


This is just stupid.

He's such an avid supporter that he's even defending the company practicing capitalism, Club Med.

She...read the profiles, AQ. No one said anything about defending ClubMed.....that is irrelevant.


I hadn't realize the United States and it's revolutionary war had anything to do with this conversation. You are discussing the exchange of land between nations. We are discussing stolen land taken from what a Marxist society is supposed to represent, the people.

An example of the government you endorse. We are discussing the repatriation of sovereign land to the Cuban people.

I hadn't a care in the world of Club Med until I noticed that a said to be
Marxist decided that a ninety-five year old lady was a ***** because a capitalist corporation is using her land to make millions.

No, wrong again. The 95 year old lady is a ***** because she is filing a ridiculous lawsuit. The people of Cuba own the land, not some old *****.

So as Marxists we are defending authoriative power that is used against its people?

Whatever gave you the idea that this is against the people? What are you on? This only benefits the people.

[Vinny Rafarino]

You just said it yourself. In capitalist nations. Isn't this your beloved socialist Cuba we are talking of? And you are defending authoriative power in taking away from the people!


Are you saying that only capitalist nations have the right to reclaim territory in the event of a change in government? Are you sayin that socialist nations don't have that right?

As far as me defending "authoritarian power" ( :lol: ) "taking away" from the "people", you're damn right!

I and other marxists believe that after the revolution all property will be reclaimed by the state.

Since you are ignorant to Marxism, I will quote from the Manifest of the Communist party;

"The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralize all instruments of production in the hands of the state, i.e., of the proletariat organized as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible.

Of course, in the beginning, this cannot be effected except by means of despotic inroads on the rights of property, and on the conditions of bourgeois production; by means of measures, therefore, which appear economically insufficient and untenable, but which, in the course of the movement, outstrip themselves, necessitate further inroads upon the old social order, and are unavoidable as a means of entirely revolutionizing the mode of production.

These measures will, of course, be different in different countries.

Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc.

When, in the course of development, class distinctions have disappeared, and all production has been concentrated in the hands of a vast association of the whole nation, the public power will lose its political character. Political power, properly so called, is merely the organized power of one class for oppressing another. If the proletariat during its contest with the bourgeoisie is compelled, by the force of circumstances, to organize itself as a class; if, by means of a revolution, it makes itself the ruling class, and, as such, sweeps away by force the old conditions of production, then it will, along with these conditions, have swept away the conditions for the existence of class antagonisms and of classes generally, and will thereby have abolished its own supremacy as a class.

Silly boy. :lol:


I didn't realize that the 95 year old lady was her own government in an exchange over land with a real government.

Non-sensical; you're confused.


In fact, ClubMed isn't a governmental body.


Confusion.

Who said it was?


Must be some law if she is enabled to file a lawsuit.

Would you care sharing just which law that may be?

Did you not read my initial post about the USA revoking property from new territories? Do you feel that in these situations that the US government was "breaking it's own laws"? :lol:

You're simple.



He's such an avid supporter that he's even defending the company practicing capitalism, Club Med.

Oh wait, that's you.


Who's defending Club Med? Have you lost your abilty to read while writing your post? Did your mouth suddenly water at the thought of "catching me"?

You're still confused. I would you to point out any statement from me "defending Club Med".

Good luck Shemp.


I hadn't realize the United States and it's revolutionary war had anything to do with this conversation.


That is because you're confused. The point was to explain to the ignorant Ortega how capitalist nations as well revoke property rights upon revolution, not just socialist ones.

2+2=4 Boo Radley.


You are discussing the exchange of land between nations. We are discussing stolen land taken from what a Marxist society is supposed to represent, the people

Confusion.

I direct you back to the excerpt fro the Manifest of the Communist Party.



If you knew anything about the travel industry you would realize that these companies give discounts to groups for one reason, and one reason alone..


So, you too are trying to say that Club Med is the "choice of the rich and famous"?

Get real son.


They offer it to you cheaper if you go in groups. So in turn you get your little group togethor and head on down. Gee, with more people at there resort you didn't think they were going to make less money did you?


I hate to break this to you boy but the "rich and famous" don't go anywhere that has "group rates".

You are not at all on time today, jack.


You assume that these "elites" splurge on everything. That they go out of their way to spend their money, that they search for the most expensive place on the planet just in order to spend their money

:lol: confusion.


I'm willing to go back and count how many have told you that you are wrong here in the past week. I bet I couldn't count them on both hands.


Go right ahead sunshine, the number of ignorant children that refuse to become educated is relative to your environment. Considering the success of you last "little list", I don't think anyone is going to care. :lol:

Happy hunting Shempie!


I hadn't a care in the world of Club Med until I noticed that a said to be Marxist decided that a ninety-five year old lady was a ***** because a capitalist corporation is using her land to make millions.


Confusion.

It's not her land.


I'm a devil's advocate RAF, I thought you knew. Maybe you'll know what that one means as redstar had trouble with the meaning of that one.


Dodge.

Answer the question Shemp.


So as Marxists we are defending authoriative power that is used against its people?


Confusion.

Marxists defend the state's rights to suppress the former ruling class. This fat-cat ***** owned enough land to put a full scale three star resort up.

What, did you think she was selling oranges on the westway ramp? :lol:



love chocolate, especially after finding it in the center of a tootsie pop.


Overused.

So much for "killed any defense I can pull out of the furtherst depths of my ass" eh?
:lol:

Sucker.

[Individual]

We have members with their tongue up eachothers asses. Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.

We have members that fucking can't admit ignorance.

We have members that accept others ignorance.

And we have members that consider themselves Everything Marxism.

I knew this would happen, and the fact that you still cannot acknowledge anything you say is wrong does nothing for yourself.

I have no need to respond to your post, just go back and read through the thread and you know what is really going on.

I can play your game all day, but I'll be damned if I want to.

Someday you'll figure it all out.

Your idea of Marxism is bullshit. You're down with living in a society under authoritarian (my apologies boss) rule because you would be the apart of the group that tried to instill your might upon the people.

You want to be controlled by the state, be my guest.

You want to own everything, be my guest.

But I'll be damned if I wish to live in a society that makes my decisions for me.

You get your answer out of that? Get a life and quit wasting your time concerned with what I do with mine.

-Shemp :huh:

edit:

Before you try and blind yourself by posting snippets from the manifesto. You did realize that what those snippets are discussing is that in time of revolution.

I wonder how ClubMed is handling the situation right now in the middle of the revolution.

Good one. :)

[Vinny Rafarino]

I have no need to respond to your post, just go back and read through the thread and you know what is really going on.


:lol:

Desperation.



Before you try and blind yourself by posting snippets from the manifesto. You did realize that what those snippets are discussing is that in time of revolution.

I wonder how ClubMed is handling the situation right now in the middle of the revolution.

Good one.



Confusion.

The land was reclaimed by the Cuban Government in accordance to Marxist theory in the time of revolution.

Since you are so confused, I will point out that this is an issue of an individual claiming property rights to property that was revoked by her nation.

As history has demonstrated that capitalist nations lawfully revoke property from citizens, it is justified (and Marxist) to do the same.

Is back pedaling your way way of "stooping to my level" and "killing my argument"?

Try again little cuss. :lol:

Your attempt to belittle and insult comrade Hampton for exposing your cowardly and immature rants about me are completely pathetic.

Hampton has more integity then you will ever have you little fuck. Your insults against him only show how completely asinine and pathetic you truly are.

Have fun fuming over this Shempie, comrade Hamton and I will try not to laugh....much.

Take the hint sunshine.

[Commie Girl]

As Fidel has pointed out, the revolution is ongoing....get a life :lol:

[inquisitive_socialist]

hey hey hey, i got it. we should get RAF to start a re-education program for all the"misguided youths" of the world. hes"obviously" the most brilliant person here so lets all bow down in homage to him. Or heres another idea, lets climb out of the verbal gutter RAF has put us in and try and limit this ti an intellectual conversation, not a mud-slinging contest. Or we can just drop to his lelvel and call each other names. how wonderfully stimulating that would be. :blink:

[inquisitive_socialist]

oh by the way the most expensive suite in the Club Med Veradero, thats in cuba, this is the slum of resorts according to RAF, is a whopping 1157 dollars anight. what a shit hole! :blink:

[Ortega]

Since when has Cuba ever done anything according to Marxist principles?! Castro only uses Marxist principles when they're convienient for him.


As Fidel has pointed out, the revolution is ongoing....
Looks like you've contradicted your buddy.

According to RAF, Club Med can now exist. Apparently, as the land was claimed during the Revolution, the government has the right to it. And apparently, Club Med is allowed to exist now because the revolution is over and the rules from the Manifesto that RAF posted are now void.

However, according to you (and the Cuban government) the Revolution is ongoing. :lol:

How many of those rules are being broken right now in order for the Cuban government to make a couple thousand more dollars?

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

(not for Club Med's staff, I'm sure)

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

I suppose that it depends on your definition of "work", but going by your past comments, the CEO of ClubMed Cuba, who does nothing but sit in his office all day profiting off of the workers is not working "equally".

You dig?

And what's all this about ClubMed not being an upscale resort?! It is. Deal with it. Maybe it has a few branches for those with lower income, but Club Med on the whole (and in Cuba) costs a fortune.

Try responding to this with something more than empty insults for once. I know it's a stretch, but I think you'd benefit from it greatly.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 01:45 PM
hey hey hey, i got it. we should get RAF to start a re-education program for all the"misguided youths" of the world. hes"obviously" the most brilliant person here so lets all bow down in homage to him. Or heres another idea, lets climb out of the verbal gutter RAF has put us in and try and limit this ti an intellectual conversation, not a mud-slinging contest. Or we can just drop to his lelvel and call each other names. how wonderfully stimulating that would be. :blink:
:lol:

Who's this?

It's either AQ trying to "drum up support" by creating new accounts or that silly kid "comrade" Chris that follows me around having a go at me..

Kids. :lol:


oh by the way the most expensive suite in the Club Med Veradero, thats in cuba, this is the slum of resorts according to RAF, is a whopping 1157 dollars anight. what a shit hole!


That's the most expensive suite silly boy.

Are you kids just trying to pick (absurdly at that !) or are you really just dumb?

I will try to make it clear for you as you are having trouble with confusion as well;

When wealthy people vacation $1157.00 would just about cover the cost of the dinner and champagne (if they buy cheap). Prehaps if the $1157.00 was the price of the CHEAPEST SUITE at the resort it would then be conbsidered a resort for strictly the WEALTHY.

Face it kids, you have nothing to go on here. Dolts.


According to RAF, Club Med can now exist. Apparently, as the land was claimed during the Revolution, the government has the right to it. And apparently, Club Med is allowed to exist now because the revolution is over and the rules from the Manifesto that RAF posted are now void.


Good try, but your first mistake is listening to AQ. Your logic here is filled with confusion.

A] I never said anything about Club Med's "right to exist", that is a figment of your confused imagination.

B] The Manifest of the Communist Party has nothing to do with Club Med and was used to explain to your confused minds that te reclamation of land is a MArxist principle.

Confusion, confusion, confusion. :lol:



How many of those rules are being broken right now in order for the Cuban government to make a couple thousand more dollars?

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

(not for Club Med's staff, I'm sure)

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture

Quite a few. Your point still has no relevance in this discussion.

CONFUSION


And what's all this about ClubMed not being an upscale resort?! It is. Deal with it. Maybe it has a few branches for those with lower income, but Club Med on the whole (and in Cuba) costs a fortune.


You're confused again. :lol:

The idea of Club Med simply being an "upscale resort" was never in question. I will now quote you since you have already forgotten your own words:

"asking. Even worse, Club Med's only intentions were to develop it into a resort for the world's rich and famous.



Lie. The "rich and famous" don't bother with Club Med.

You're confusion is astounding in this matter. A few pokes and prods and all rationality simply falls out the window for you. :lol:

[Ortega]

So all you're going to say is "confused"?

Try again, that's not going to do it.

[Individual]

You you are a fucking genius. Can you handle it, I said you were a genius!

Now what are you going to do with your time, you officially know everything.

[inquisitive_socialist]

you, RAF have no idea what you speak of. I work at Grandfather Golf and Country Club. one of the highest ranked resorts in NC. an expensive meal is 200-300 dollars. not 1000! you call me a fool? you don't know me, or know what i stand for. I don't support AQ's method of baiting you anymore than i support your filth filled responses. if AQ were to stoop so low as to fake accounts, iouldn't be suprised, if you ,RAF, faked accounts, it wouldn't be much a stoop. you call names and use derogatry terms in order to hide the fact that you don't have a clue about what you speak. I have worked here for a year and i am amazed at the waste and decadence, but no-one spends over 1000 dollars on a meal.


Raf what do you know about the rich and famous? are you rich and famous? are you some sort of in the closet communist with alot of money and no clue what to do with it? Give it to AQ's charity to stop old ladies. I work all day around rich old people. you are not one of them. to assume because you've seen life-styles of the rich and famous a few times that your some sort of expert! where do you get off! oh i know. Shit talking day-old members who just think your wrong occasionaly? im wrong, i'll admit it. Can you climb out of your verbal cesspool long enough to admit that you too may make mistakes?


MOD EDIT:

I know you want to pump you post count up so you can look "cool" but there is no need to consistently post two posts, one after the other.

Try using the "Edit" button if you need to add to post son.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Please do not spam my forums kids, if you cannot come up with anything of value, don't bother to post it. Spam posts that have no intent other than abuse are not tolerated.

Consider this post your verbal warning stoogies.

And you "Comrade" Chris (AKA "socialist" inquisitor) will receive the 2 warning points that were issued to your other account for repeated abusive spam.

[Individual]

Post the fucking chat conversations RAF.

I dare you!

As a matter of fact, I hope you do. If you don't, I hope your buddy that shamelessly saved them will post it.

Come on, I'm waiting for it.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 15 2004, 09:39 PM
Post the fucking chat conversations RAF.

I dare you!

As a matter of fact, I hope you do. If you don't, I hope your buddy that shamelessly saved them will post it.

Come on, I'm waiting for it.
I already posted some of it silly boy. Remember that;s what got you all fired up in the first place.


Closed.