FUCK THE PIGS - DEATH TO ALL POLICE

[BOZG]

I was just at a Reclaim The Streets party and we were marching towards a park when the Police baton charged us for no reasons. A few people are in hospital now and many more are in bits. My shoulders and legs are all bruised.

FUCKIN PIGS

[Zippy]

Lets try this again, but be a little more specific.

You should of said "fuck police brutality", because amazingly, and some people may find this hard to beleive, some police men and women are just in the force to stop crime and not beat up protesters.

Zippy.

[guerrillaradio]

Quote: from Zippy on 9:09 pm on May 6, 2002
some police men and women are just in the force to stop crime and not beat up protesters.

I'll second that. Although the Met (London police force) is "institutionally racist" (Macpherson report into Stephen Lawrence death, 1998).

[Fatos Locos]

There a lot of corrupt police agent but there also a lot of police agents who aren't.

[El Che]

A police force is a necessary part of any society.

[BOZG]

A police force is a necessary part of any society.

How? It's not human nature to kill, attack, steal etc. It is the society that we live in that teaches these things. Build a society in which people are aware of these things and have no need to them then there is no need for police to enforce these laws.

[Fires of History]

Quote: from BornOfZapatasGuns on 10:25 pm on May 6, 2002

Build a society...


Until then, there is a need for a police force. When I hear a window getting smashed downstairs in the middle of the night, I know who I'm calling.

Although it is very sad that cops get so itchy around groups of protesters. I have been to a few protests since the WTO debacle in Seattle, and it's like they are just waiting for any reason to justify breaking out the mace and rubber bullets. Even the cops up here in Canada seem on edge around protesters.

Sorry to hear you got smashed up, but in a way, doesn't it feel good?

[El Che]

Zapata I`ve heard those arguments before, they are an anarchist fairy tale. Regardless of what you think of human nature, society must be prepared for all eventualities, i.e society must be prepared for the eventuality that you might want to commit a crime. There must be law, there must be authority. Otherwise you have anarchy, chaos and mayhem. A security force is what enforces in practice the rights awarded in theory. Hence if you believe human beings have rights, you believe in the police. Futhermore it is anarchists that especulate over the nature of man, more then that, they base their whole theory on this especuation of the nature of man. When confronted with the fact that even if they are correct in assuming the norm, there are always exceptions to the norm, they say that the majority will defend its self on its own. Popular justice? linching mobs? yup, barbary, that is the anarchist answer to those who stray from the norm. Because if there is no authority, there is no law, if there is no law there is no right (as juridical figure), and whats left? primitivism, chaos, anarchy and barbary.

[I Will Deny You]

Quote: from El Che on 6:21 pm on May 6, 2002
Zapata I`ve heard those arguments before, they are an anarchist fairy tale. Regardless of what you think of human nature, society must be prepared for all eventualities, i.e society must be prepared for the eventuality that you might want to commit a crime. There must be law, there must be authority. Otherwise you have anarchy, chaos and mayhem. A security force is what enforces in practice the rights awarded in theory. Hence if you believe human beings have rights, you believe in the police. Futhermore it is anarchists that especulate over the nature of man, more then that, they base their whole theory on this especuation of the nature of man. When confronted with the fact that even if they are correct in assuming the norm, there are always exceptions to the norm, they say that the majority will defend its self on its own. Popular justice? linching mobs? yup, barbary, that is the anarchist answer to those who stray from the norm. Because if there is no authority, there is no law, if there is no law there is no right (as juridical figure), and whats left? primitivism, chaos, anarchy and barbary.Exactly. A police force will always be needed. So while I'm very sorry to hear that you were beaten up, knowing that I might get clubbed next time I go to a protest is a fair price to pay for the fact that so many rapists and murderers are in jail.

[red senator]

"... Ahh, judge, your damn laws, the good people don't need 'em and the bad people don't obey 'em...."
- Ammond Hennesy

(character from a Utah Phillips story entitled "Anarchy")

[CheGuevara]

Yes, I don't think police should be eliminated. However, I certainly don't see any reason why they need to harass political activists, unless they know a confrontation between two groups will happen.

[El Brujo]

I think police is necesarry until the society is uncorrupted enougph for anarchy (which will be a long time from now) but if they are corrupt dipshits that only attack people that disagree with them, go after people for lame reasons such as smoking weed and do nothing but pick on teenagers and minorities (all of which are the cases with ALL AMERICAN COPS, especially in the fucking city I live in), then fuck them up the ass with a wooden stick.

[BOZG]

You all have valid points and I'll except that but I still do not believe that humans need any form of authority.


knowing that I might get clubbed next time I go to a protest

Can I just point out that this was not a protest. It was a street party which people had planned to go to a local park. Granted it caused a traffic block which would have ended at most in 15 minutes so the police had absolutely no right to attack with batons because they were unprovoked.

[Dhul Fiqar]

Power to the people, ya'll!

I know it's not completely logical and sometimes you need 'em, but I REALLY hate cops ;)

--- G. Raven

[Vladimir]

Guys this is the thing in Dublin he was talking about , the police were far too execssive.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2002/0507/demos.html

Compánach Reamonn

[honest intellectual]

I was just at a Reclaim The Streets party and we were marching towards a park when the Police baton charged us for no reasons. A few people are in hospital now and many more are in bits. My shoulders and legs are all bruised.

FUCKIN PIGS
Don't tell me you didn't have fun, though, man. My lower back and elbow are soooooooo swollen now.
MY FIRST RIOT......
Seriously, though BornOfZapatasGuns, you're right. The pigs were unprovoked.
CO'cept when I pushed that car into themUGH

Hehehehe, check it out, I kicked in that window:
http://www.indymedia.ie/img_up/up_3/3478_3.JPG

The people are law, the law is crime.

[Political Prisoner]

I can dig what you guys are saying. I live out in the burbs and I have never been to a protest or rally but i do know that the cops unfairly profile me and my friends. Not cause our race but because of our age. Its like there is always cops rolling up on us for no reason. One time standing on the corner the same squad car passed us like 4 times. This is not to mention the countless times we get hasseled by them. However i do understand that in our present society there does have to be some order and the cops are the ones who enforce it. So fuck the corrupt ones.

It smells like bacon up in this motha fucka

[honest intellectual]

Quote: from Political Prisoner on 7:33 pm on May 7, 2002
It smells like bacon up in this motha fucka
FRY THE PIGS

[DestinDisaster]

I can understand exactly where you are coming from, born of zapatas guns, but I don't agree with the fuck the cops statements. There are plenty of crooked cops out there, but there are good cops also. I feel that I defiantly have a love-hate feeling towards cops

as far as police brutality goes, thats bullshit. I hate the shit with a passion. My brother was beaten by the cops because they falsely identified him as this guy who robbed some resturant by my house. But there were times when I was helped by the cops, like when I was kidnapped for example.

What I think is messed up though is when you have cops in cities like brooklyn or watts who are afraid to answer calls because they are afraid of entering certain neighborhoods. That pisses me off!

Don't get me started about how cops treat political prisoners and other's who spread consciousness. Look at Mumia Abu-Jamal and Yogi bear for example.

But besides all that, I feel that we do have times when we need cops, and it's not fair to say that ALL cops are crooked.

If anyone is serious about ending police brutality you should join

Refuse and Resist

the website is www.refuseandresist.com

[Menshevik]

There is no need for the police. Money is the number one source of crime, people will sell drugs for it, lie, cheat, steal, and even kill for it. The police only perpetuate this cycle by ensuring capitalists stay in power. The legal system is a joke, people enter the correctional phase boys and leave hardened killers. The prisons are overflowing with kids who will spend 25 years in a total shithole where all they learn is hatred and death. Prison does not reform "criminals" it creates them. The police also do nothing to prevent so called "crimes." Now, for the most part, they're just hardworking men and women, they don't deserve to be killed because of who they are, but I dont allow them to take total authority over me--law and order=enslavement.

[Menshevik]

IrishGuevara, the police in Northern Ireland have always been excessive, but in Dublin . . . that's bad news.

[honest intellectual]

Yeah, this is the worst act of police brutality seen in Dublin. Luckily, it's not being ignored by the media (front page of the irish times and the irish independent) but everyone knows that nothing will happen to the guards. The fucks took off their ID badges so we couldn't report them

More info (http://www.indymedia.ie)

[j]

Ummm, the news did not get to Boston's papers (and there are sooooooooooooo many Irish here).

Police are of course necessary. However, in our society police corruption is out of control. Do I need to go through the list that actually made the damn papers!!!???? (Amadou Dialo, Rodney King, etc) Because our society is currupt so are our police. Until we have a society free from curruption you are gonna have idiots with badges and guns.

j

[Vladimir]

We were taliking about this today in Masculinity Studies (if u wanna know what the hell this class is just ask) and i corrected the teacher on it was a reclaim the streets party not a political protest bent on causing as much disruption as possible, this is whatg she made it sound like, anyway if any of ye saw the amateur video the blondy tall cop took off his numbers, these are the things on his shoulder to identify him, so this fucker should be jailed coz he knew he was going to do wrong and then done it, corrupt bastard!

[Derar]

Exactly. A police force will always be needed. So while I'm very sorry to hear that you were beaten up, knowing that I might get clubbed next time I go to a protest is a fair price to pay for the fact that so many rapists and murderers are in jail.


As well as ppl being guilty of having a different skin color , or different religion !

Police r necessary in a society ........ but if the government is corrupted and racist , so will be the police department ......

As they say " like father like son " , " like goverment like cops "

[BOZG]

Don't tell me you didn't have fun, though, man. My lower back and elbow are soooooooo swollen now.


Good, I thought I was the only person who thought that riot was funny even though my shoulders and legs are still bruised and swollen.


I'm on the fuckin cover on Wednesday's Independant during the baton charge. If you have it, look for the picture with fella making a peace sign with his fingers. If you look closely you can see the top of someones head and that is me. FUCK YEAH

Go to http://uk.indymedia.org/local/webcast/uplo.../policeriot.mpg (http://uk.indymedia.org/local/webcast/uploads/policeriot.mpg) and download the video. It's an extended version of the one showed on the news which shows the baton charge and parts of the party. I'm on there twice.

[Smoking Frog II]

The police ARE manipulated by the government beyond their power. This police should be acceptable to keep order but secret police... NOOOO

One can influence others to agree with his terms.
With an army one can dominate the world

[BOZG]

The police in this country don't really answer to anyone. if you want to make a complaint about the police over here, you go to the police to make the complaint because there is no independant Ombudsperson. I heard a few people compare this country to a police state and last night, at a protest against police brutality on monday there were shouts of Gardai (Irish Police) SS and Gardai Gestapo.