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Dhul Fiqar
6th May 2002, 17:48
Sorry, don't have the name at the moment, but apparently a new leader of the far-right in Holland was about to sweep parliamentary elections and overturn Dutch policy on immigration and their libertarian values. He has now been shot and is expected to die within minutes, according to a spokesman.
CNN is indicating this guy was a real shitbag, a short list of his issues made me sick to my stomache. Was this a good blow for the left or will this set back the legitimate political struggle in Europe?
Comments, please...
--- G. Raven
yeah, shot 6 times.
Dunno if thios is good though.
Maybe it will bring out the slime of fascism into violence
Hope Not
Fatos Locos
6th May 2002, 19:43
The man that was shot in Holland was Pim Fortuyn. In most opinions he was a racist. He wanted to close the borders in Holland so foreigners couldn't come here and seek political help anymore. A lot of people liked his ideas an what he was planning to do, espacially a lot of racist in holland and neo-nazi's. But the funny thing was that most neo-nazi's and racist hate gay people too but Pim was gay. Pim was a real opposionist of the cabinet we had before, the cabinet called "Paars". He had written a book about it, "Acht jaar puinhopen van paars", translated to english that is "Eight years disatsers of Paars". haven't read the book yet, so I don't know to much of his ideas, but I'm planning on reading the book, but I'm currently reading a lot of books now so his book has to wait but as soon as I got time I will read his book. I wasn't a fan of him or something, but were a democratie and killing someone for his ideas ain't a democratie. But it ain't good, there already were a lot of far-right f*ckers in our county and becuz of this there probably will only come more.
(Edited by Fatos Locos at 7:45 pm on May 6, 2002)
(Edited by Fatos Locos at 7:49 pm on May 6, 2002)
pastradamus
6th May 2002, 19:53
His name is pim fortuyn,he was shot six times,including some shots to the head & he is more or less dead,they dont think the guy will make it.....
this is a terrible act in my view,the right will only get stronger after this as some people might blame immagrants or the left for this.
tony blair was supposed to attend the socialist rally there tommorow but its been put forward & the rally has been canceled or so i've heard...
but the guy who did it did a dam good job,6 bullets & then disapeared......perfect assassin in my view,although i dont support what he did.
Fatos Locos
6th May 2002, 20:30
Well it wasn't the perfect assassination since they have cauth the guy. The only thing we know about the man is that he was small and was wearing a baseballcap. Not much info, but I know for sure that becuz of the incident there will come even more extreme right people in Holland.
guerrillaradio
6th May 2002, 20:41
Quote: from pastradamus on 7:53 pm on May 6, 2002
some people might blame the left for this.
Remember the Reichstag fire in 1933 anyone?? Who did the Nazis blame?? A Dutch communist...oh dear. Oh dear indeed...
Quote: from guerrillaradio on 8:41 pm on May 6, 2002
Remember the Reichstag fire in 1933 anyone??
No; i wasnt born until 82. :)
Zippy.
guerrillaradio
6th May 2002, 20:57
Quote: from Zippy on 8:55 pm on May 6, 2002
i wasnt born until 82.
Damn whippersnapper!!! What you need is a world war to sort out your arrogant attitude!!! Seriously...
Fatos Locos
6th May 2002, 20:58
Let's just hope they won't blame leftist people this time. But these are going to be some dangerous times in holland. I think there gonna be a lot of trouble between the extreme right people and the foreigners here.
(Edited by Fatos Locos at 9:00 pm on May 6, 2002)
Quote: from guerrillaradio on 8:57 pm on May 6, 2002
What you need is a world war to sort out your arrogant attitude!!! Seriously...
I know just the man to get us one:
http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/10/24/bush.book/george.w.bush.jpg
Zippy.
guerrillaradio
6th May 2002, 21:05
Quote: from Zippy on 9:01 pm on May 6, 2002
Quote: from guerrillaradio on 8:57 pm on May 6, 2002
What you need is a world war to sort out your arrogant attitude!!! Seriously...
I know just the man to get us one:
Lol...
Dutch Commie
6th May 2002, 22:17
Pim Fortuyn is dead now, the man who hated the islam culture and wanted to close the Dutch borders for immigrants
the assassin is arrested and it seems that it was a Dutch, white man, I'm happy that it wasn't a muslim because then the gap between the Dutch/non-muslims and the muslims would grow even further
Dhul Fiqar
7th May 2002, 07:17
Yeah, I must admit my major gripe with the guy started when I heard he was very anti-Muslim, and anti-foreigner in general. Sounds like a dangerous guy.
Still, he sounds even more dangerous now that he's been martyred, but it's good that it was a white local that did it rather than an immigrant, as Dutch Commie already noted.
One strange thing CNN is saying is that he used to be a Marxist! How the hell does one suddenly stop being a Marxist and become a fascist?
--- G. Raven
he said once that Islam is a backward culture !
and that he is concerned about the growing islamic population in holland ......
he also hated all kind of immigrants in general , and talked once about holland being ONLY for deutch ppl....
that's one sick motherfucker....... i'm really glad he is dead .
Now , which facsist is next ?
I really didnt liked his ideas, but no one deserves to get killed in such a way..
Fatos Locos
7th May 2002, 10:57
I have to agree with comrade faky, you might not like someone ideas but that's not a reason to kill him.
queen of diamonds
7th May 2002, 11:21
Quote: from Faky on 12:42 am on June 18, 2002
I really didnt liked his ideas, but no one deserves to get killed in such a way..
definitely....i mean, the place is noted for being among the most democratic countries in the world, & being so intolerant as to not be able to live in the same country as someone else is being as bad as them.....
i don't think this is good for the left - what are the chances any one else is going to be blamed for it?
I view the act with contempt. Regardless of the fact that he was an extreme Rightist, he didn't have to go down that way.
Quote from queen of diamonds -
i don't think this is good for the left - what are the chances any one else is going to be blamed for it?Pretty high, unfortunately. It plays perfectly into the current world situation of rounding up the enemies of the Rightists. Assign a number, roll the dice.
pastradamus
7th May 2002, 17:59
well they have caught a guy in connection with the assassination,all they cops are letting out is that he is a white,dutch,male.................thank god he isn't black,cuz the shit would hit the fan!
pastradamus
7th May 2002, 18:02
Quote: from Fatos Locos on 8:30 pm on May 6, 2002
Well it wasn't the perfect assassination since they have cauth the guy. The only thing we know about the man is that he was small and was wearing a baseballcap. Not much info, but I know for sure that becuz of the incident there will come even more extreme right people in Holland.
yeah i'd like to correct myself on that,when i got the news it was later then you,,,,,shitty sky news!
Fatos Locos
7th May 2002, 20:21
It doesn't matter pastradamus, but they say that he was a kind of an nature activist or something like that. But nobody blaimed the leftist for this one yet.
LeonardoDaVinci
8th May 2002, 01:18
This is the 21st century, you just don't shoot everyone that disagrees with you. OK he might have been a racist and an intolerant right-winger, but he did not deserve to get shot six times in the head and neck for his views, if that was the case most of us would've been behind bars by now if right wingers got their way.
Unfortunately, I would expect that this tragic incident has only strengthened his party and increased its support, and I would expect them to earn even more seats in the upcoming Dutch general elections
I LOVE HO CHI MINH
8th May 2002, 02:36
Who do you think can adjudicated the assesination? A fanatic, an organization, right wingers , leftys......who?
After the rise of votes in the last French elections.....Do other countries in europe see Fascist as a thread. Holland for example. Was this man popular in Holand?
Quote: from I LOVE HO CHI MINH on 2:36 am on May 8, 2002
Was this man popular in Holand?
He was popular by a lot of (rightish) people and his popularity was rising..
guerrillaradio
8th May 2002, 13:00
Quote: from I LOVE HO CHI MINH on 2:36 am on May 8, 2002
Who do you think can adjudicated the assesination? A fanatic, an organization, right wingers , leftys......who?
I read today that the guy who did it was a member of the Green Party and was a bit of an ecowarrior...
Fatos Locos
8th May 2002, 13:50
Quote: from I LOVE HO CHI MINH on 2:36 am on May 8, 2002
Was this man popular in Holand?
Well yeah, he was pretty popular by rightish people, people who disagreed with the cabinet we had before, by a lot of people who liked that he said what he thought and by a lot of people who thought he would wake up the dutch politics. And because of the incident they will only get more votes. I think they have a great chance to even become the biggest group in the dutch politics and that ain't good.
honest intellectual
8th May 2002, 18:39
I think polled 35% (correct me if I'm wrong)
Fatos Locos
8th May 2002, 19:36
Yeah 35 % is pretty correct, but that poll was before Pim Fortuyn was killed, they ain't gonna poll anymore, but if he had 35 % before I think he's gonna get about 40, maybe 45% after his death. And that's pretty much for just 1 group, and 40 or 45 is pretty close to the 50% so they can almost decide everything that happens in holland then.
I LOVE HO CHI MINH
8th May 2002, 21:31
Dont anybody think the assasination of this man, can decrease Fascist support in Holland? perhaps yes
Fatos Locos
8th May 2002, 21:55
Well I don't think that it will decrease, I think a lot of people are angry about it because it wasn't only an assault on Pim Fortuyn but it also was an attack on our democratie. And I think a lot of people get angry about it and wanna support the rightisch people. But if you got any arguments for the fact that it will decrease the rightish people in holland plz tell me the arguments.
I LOVE HO CHI MINH
9th May 2002, 23:33
Perhaps the extreme rigtistist people on holland, withought Pim Fortuyn would not fell represented by anybody else. It is only an opinion, I might be wrong.
queen of diamonds
10th May 2002, 12:02
it's a possibility, but one i'm inclined to think will not happen
guerrillaradio
10th May 2002, 13:22
My half-Dutch friend tells me that a black guy's succeeded Pim Fortuyn. Is that right??
Well Che became legendary and much more famous after his death...
Foo!
Dutch Commie
10th May 2002, 22:49
Quote: from guerrillaradio on 1:22 pm on May 10, 2002
My half-Dutch friend tells me that a black guy's succeeded Pim Fortuyn. Is that right??
he's the second man on the list of Fortuyns party, it's yet not clear who's going to succede Fortuyn or that even maybe the party will be taken out of the elections
Fatos Locos
10th May 2002, 22:52
Mmmmmmm, I saw his funeral on the televisions, a lot of people gave their opinion on the enws and a lot of people said things like: "I'm gonna vote for Pim to show some respect for him." Or: "The killer stole the democratie in holland so I'm gonna vote for Pim."
And then you got the right wingers who will vote for pim, a lot of young people cuz Pim is funny, and not like the avarage politician, etc. etc. In polls even before his death they predicted he would gert 35% of the votes, now he will only get more. A very strange thing is that the number 2 on the list of Pim was a black man and a dutch model is in his list.
And dutch commie, there letting Pim be the first on his list and they will go on in the elections.
(Edited by Fatos Locos at 10:53 pm on May 10, 2002)
Hayduke
11th May 2002, 20:03
Quote: from Fatos Locos on 3:52 am on May 11, 2002
Mmmmmmm, I saw his funeral on the televisions, a lot of people gave their opinion on the enws and a lot of people said things like: "I'm gonna vote for Pim to show some respect for him." Or: "The killer stole the democratie in holland so I'm gonna vote for Pim."
And then you got the right wingers who will vote for pim, a lot of young people cuz Pim is funny, and not like the avarage politician, etc. etc. In polls even before his death they predicted he would gert 35% of the votes, now he will only get more. A very strange thing is that the number 2 on the list of Pim was a black man and a dutch model is in his list.
And dutch commie, there letting Pim be the first on his list and they will go on in the elections.
(Edited by Fatos Locos at 10:53 pm on May 10, 2002)
Yep, voting on a death man that would build up democracy.
Take that killer.....
Sick world.
deimos
12th May 2002, 17:13
My half-Dutch friend tells me that a black guy's succeeded Pim Fortuyn. Is that right??
Yes, thats right.His name is Joao Varela and his from Cap Verde i think
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