Civil Disobedience versus Disorderly Conduct

[pandora]

I was just given a "Warning" for disorderly conduct on a train for supposedly endangering the officer by disagreeing with his reasoning with which he was citing two people from out of town for not recognizing to validate their ticket.

He told me that I didn't know these people and my comment could have "incited them to rise up against him" possible endangering him. This is a real obvious abuse of power the couple being cited were shocked, and the male who had just returned from South America also spoke out on my behalf against the injustice.
Thank god only a warning, need to have a clean record, but with all the mayhem against demonstrating, ie.) small sample of what's to come during the convention where many people will be cited with "civil disobedience" in the form of "disorderly conduct"

[b]My Question to Y'all before we all get a bunch of these "disorderly conduct" tickets for falling off the sidewalk during the protests is:
IN THE world governments based on Marxist principals we seek to create, what will be the role of such charges as "disorderly conduct?"

Should we continue them or phase out such vague terms which are used to rail against civil liberties with new terms for say "drunk and disorderly" will it be unlawful in the government you want to see to speak against the government, or will disorderly conduct be allowed, what is it when we're not all the same religion or of the same value system, no doubt Dubya's friends are trying to make being a sinner a crime?

In the Roget's Thesaurus the synonomn for EVILDOER is SINNER, so I guess that explains his philosophy.

[The Sloth]

Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 04:49 AM
I was just given a "Warning" for disorderly conduct on a train for supposedly endangering the officer by disagreeing with his reasoning with which he was citing two people from out of town for not recognizing to validate their ticket.

He told me that I didn't know these people and my comment could have "incited them to rise up against him" possible endangering him. This is a real obvious abuse of power the couple being cited were shocked, and the male who had just returned from South America also spoke out on my behalf against the injustice.
Thank god only a warning, need to have a clean record, but with all the mayhem against demonstrating, ie.) small sample of what's to come during the convention where many people will be cited with "civil disobedience" in the form of "disorderly conduct"

[b]My Question to Y'all before we all get a bunch of these "disorderly conduct" tickets for falling off the sidewalk during the protests is:
IN THE world governments based on Marxist principals we seek to create, what will be the role of such charges as "disorderly conduct?"

Should we continue them or phase out such vague terms which are used to rail against civil liberties with new terms for say "drunk and disorderly" will it be unlawful in the government you want to see to speak against the government, or will disorderly conduct be allowed, what is it when we're not all the same religion or of the same value system, no doubt Dubya's friends are trying to make being a sinner a crime?

In the Roget's Thesaurus the synonomn for EVILDOER is SINNER, so I guess that explains his philosophy.
When the mayor of San Francisco issued marriage licenses to homosexual couples, that is an example of "civil disobedience."

If you are attempting to get attention for your social ideas, philosophy, etc. through endangering others or creating some kind of nervousness or panic, then it's "disorderly conduct."

[Guest1]

There will be no world government. We aren't seeking to create an even more powerful ruling class, we are trying to get rid of it.

[choekiewoekie]

But i think it is a good question that must be asked.
In a socialist society, there is always the possibility that people don't agree on society as we made it. And they will protest. Maybe they would like capitalism to come back (cannot imagine it, but it could be possible). And what would you do with those people?
I think discussing with a police officer shouldn't be a problem. In fact, when a goverment is happy with its policy, and when a train conducter, or a police officer is aware of the system he works for and he is happy with it, he will be happy to discuss it. He will be happy to make sure the person who askes him this question understands the social system. If you are happy with your system, you won't make a problem of defending it. if the discussing starts in respect ofcourse.
You shouldn't start a fight in the train, that's very clear, but i think people should always be alowed to ask questions, to have some criticism, to protest if they want. After all, you want your social system to be supported by all the people, don't you?

[pandora]

Originally posted by Brooklyn-[email protected] 13 2004, 11:00 PM
When the mayor of San Francisco issued marriage licenses to homosexual couples, that is an example of "civil disobedience."

If you are attempting to get attention for your social ideas, philosophy, etc. through endangering others or creating some kind of nervousness or panic, then it's "disorderly conduct."
But in this case asking a question was deemed as possibly "creating a panic" and thus "endangering the officer" the only thing he was endangered of was explaining why the validation box wasn't clearly marked to some tourists, but he made out that by questioning these people "I didn't know" and who could be "dangerous" {!?] he insinuated that every public citizen "could be dangerous" and that we would not want to "rile them" by "asking questions"

The line here on civil liberties is blurred to facism fairly quickly, how would you Brooklyn Mecca keep an officer from blurring that line into abuse?

[Valkyrie]

That policeman there doesn't know his law very well.

Disorderly conduct, only if you were loud, offensive or obnoxious.

***Obstruction of Justice, if you were obstructing or interfering with the process of law.
i.e. the issuing of a ticket.


>>>>If you are attempting to get attention for your social ideas, philosophy, etc. through endangering others or creating some kind of nervousness or panic, then it&#39;s "disorderly conduct<<<<

disseminating revolutionary ideas to overthrow the status quo would fall more into the category of sedition. Creating nervousness or panic: inciting a riot or disturbing the peace.

Other forms of peaceful political dissent:
Civil disobediance: concious act of disobeying a law.
i.e. refusing to disband or disassemble, blocking streets.
also:
Resisting Arrest: sitting down in the street. locking arms. refusing to move.
Eluding an officer: running from the pigs. :lol:

[Valkyrie]

Know your law&#33;

Everyone should know this If you are arrested:

The cops MUST read you the Miranda Warning:

You have the right to remain silent (this means, it is wise to remain silent, don&#39;t talk or tell anything to the pigs, besides your name.)

Anything you say can and will be held against you in a court of Law (that is, if you say anything to the pigs, or sign a written statement, etc, you will be unable to retract it, and you can be certain it will be used against you in court)

You have the right to an attorney (don&#39;t talk until you get one)

If you cannot afford an attorney, the court will appoint you one, (just remember, those public defenders works for The State. they get paid whether you get off or not.. in other words.. they could give a shit what happens to you)

Lastly, they will ask you if you understand the rights they&#39;ve read? (just tell them no, it&#39;s all foreign to you.)

And Never NEVER GIVE UP ANYBODY&#39;S NAME, no matter what kind of deal they try to cut.