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Skeptic
12th August 2004, 00:10
Bush v. Kerry?

Not Even a Dime's Worth of Difference

By Alexander Cockburn

08/11/04 "Counterpunch" --Kerry goes from bad to worse. Last week he dropped Saddam's non-existent WMDs as a campaign issue. He did this huge favor to Bush via his (Kerry's) foreign affairs spokesman, the insufferable Jamie Rubin, formerly the top State Department flack in the Clinton years. Rubin told the Washington Post last weekend that knowing then what he knows today about the lack of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, Kerry still would have voted to authorize the war and "in all probability" would have launched a military attack to oust Hussein by now if he were president. Up until the previous day Mr flip-flop O'Kerry had said he only "might" have still gone to war.

Then on Monday Kerry did some further clarifying in Arizona where he told the press he would not have changed his vote to authorize the war against Iraq, although he would have handled things "very differently" from President Bush. Kerry said the congressional resolution gave Bush "the right authority for the president to have." (Since Kerry voted for that resolution, what else could he say?)
But,Kerry went on, (as reported by CNN) "I would have done this very differently from the way President Bush has."

After this blather, Kerry proclaimed that "There are four real questions that matter to Americans, and I hope you'll get the answers to those questions because the American people deserve them.

"My question to President Bush is why did he rush to war without a plan to win the peace? Why did he rush to war on faulty intelligence and not do the hard work [what "hard work"?] necessary to give America the truth?
Why did he mislead America about how he would go to war? [What does this mean?] Why has he not brought other countries to the table in order to support American troops in the way that we deserve it and relieve a pressure from the American people?"

In other words, absolutely nothing separates Kerry from Bush's positions on Iraq except he claims he would have lied more efficiently and somehow wheedled the UN and NATO into giving support. This business about getting the Allies on board, you may recall, was Howard Dean's posture back in the spring

So Bush, a lousy president but ludicrously over-demonized, is bracketed by a Democratic candidate, Al Gore, who was calling for immediate war on Saddam back in 1999, flanked by all the neo-Cons who subsequently flocked to Bush, and by Kerry who now says he holds exactly the same position, rationalized by the same neo-Cons.

If the war on Iraq bothers you, a vote for Kerry is a vote thrown away.

How about the plight of ordinary working people? No succor in sight from Kerry here either. Here we may as well state the obvious. As a political force on the national stage organized labor, manifested in the big unions in the AFL-CIO, is dead. It's over. As a fraction of the work force non-government union membership is now down to 11 per cent of the work force, and that number is sinking by a digit a year.

Back in 1992 labor did have some input into Clinton's campaign with its pledges about "putting people first". Clinton repaid labor's "get out the vote" efforts and money by selling out on health reform and by failing to do anything on labor law or in any way bettering the condition of ordinary working Americans and the very poor. Unless labor laws change, organized labor has bleak prospects.

Here we are in 2004 and labor hasn't managed to elicit a single significant pledge from Kerry. His only concern is Wall Street and the bankers. Back in April he said he would make the deficit his prime concern, which means goodbye to any decent jobs program. So big labor's sole significant political function is to try to enforce discipline on their members to vote for Kerry. That's the essential story, just another mile-marker in the decline of labor since the late 1960s. Kerry's not going to do anything to arrest that decline.

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Louis Pio
12th August 2004, 00:14
Your preaching to the choir.
I don't think there's many people left on this site who actually belives Kerry is different

Skeptic
12th August 2004, 00:24
Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 12:14 AM
Your preaching to the choir.
I don't think there's many people left on this site who actually belives Kerry is different
It bewilders me what interests Che Lives readers. When I post shocking articles about conspiracy with fabricated domestic terror alerts and a phony war with a CIA asset Al Qaeda, few people even read the posts. I get more interest in posting more mainstream articles about Bush.

Louis Pio
12th August 2004, 00:26
Yeah ok.
Well lot's of articles is posted everyday and some almost never get's read.

FatFreeMilk
12th August 2004, 03:04
Well, this is the first real article that I've read by this guys who's supposedly a hard core Stalinist. Nothing new though. I think everybody new that Kerry's position on the war sucks too.

Guerrilla22
12th August 2004, 03:46
It bothers me that so many people on this site think that Nader is a great alternative to the Dems, true Kerry really is not all that different from Bush, but Nader is a hypocrite, supported by the far right and is still a capitalist.

Louis Pio
12th August 2004, 15:16
Nader even fired some of his emplyees when they tried to unionise :angry:

redstar2000
13th August 2004, 00:09
It bewilders me what interests Che Lives readers.

Me too.

Sometimes I start what I think will be a "hot" thread...and it just dies instantly. Other times, I post what I think will be of marginal interest and it turns into a 10-page thread.

We have a "constituency" here that's in constant transition, both politically and in terms of who actually shows up on a regular basis.

So...like Hollywood, you never know what will turn into a "blockbuster hit". :D

:redstar2000:

PS: there are a few supporters of Kerry on this board...but they get hammered every time they open their mouths. :lol:

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antieverything
13th August 2004, 01:26
Kerry has been making a huge ass out of himself over the past week or two...I can't believe his political advisors are telling him to be such a boring douche-bag when he could feign righteous indignation at Bush's Iraq debacle. What better opportunity to make your opponent look bad? Why would you ruin it by saying you would have done the exact same thing only done it "differently"? Basically he's saying prisoner abuse wouldn't have happened, folks wouldn't be getting kidnapped and decapitated, the Iraqi people would be licking the combat boots of their occupiers, and the UN would have magically agreed to take part in a war opposed to the economic interests of key security council countries.

Any chance of me swallowing my dignity and casting a meaningless (due to the electoral college) vote for Kerry is now completely gone...not to say I had any intentions of doing so but there would have been some feeling, had I been in the voting booth last month, that I had a duty to show my concern for the immediate concerns of America's working people and voted for a less bad candidate that could win. Now I don't even see the point of voting at all if the biggest popular mobilization in America since Vietnam can only get us this douchebag millionaire.

:angry:

redstar2000
13th August 2004, 11:18
Now I don't even see the point of voting at all if the biggest popular mobilization in America since Vietnam can only get us this douchebag millionaire.

Um...actually, he's a "douchebag billionaire" -- I think his net worth is upwards of four billion.

Sort of makes George W. look "working class". :lol:

There's a story floating around that Kerry and his wife had a huge fight in a Phoenix hotel a couple of days ago. They had to be put into separate suites because their shouting and screaming were disturbing the other hotel guests. :lol:

Kerry's wife was complaining, "Go here, go there, go, go, go...we never have any time to just be!"

It's tough being a billionaire...you never have any time to just lie back and contemplate the glory of your wealth.

:redstar2000:

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h&s
13th August 2004, 11:22
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 11:18 AM
It's tough being a billionaire...you never have any time to just lie back and contemplate the glory of your wealth.


Oh, how my heart bleeds...