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Intifada
11th August 2004, 18:53
Source (http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=41986&u_id=58472)

Nathan Martin says he heads a group called F*** the Vote which will offer sex for people who would have voted for Bush but choose not to. He says his tour will start in Ohio in a big blue van that has a pull out bed in it. A boat will also be used.

Martin has forms stating: "I, the undersigned, pledge my vote for anyone but George W. Bush on November 2, 2004 in return for getting laid or at least getting some play." he plans on visiting political events, bars and college towns.

Republican Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell has staffers who will monitor this group, and they say its fourth degree felony to take or make "anything of value" for votes. Some ask if it is a hoax like the 1993 "Arm the Homeless" campaign.

revoevo
11th August 2004, 19:18
Bribery of the worst sort, regardless of the cause it supports.

Capitalist Imperial
11th August 2004, 19:22
If it is coming from such a stalwart leftist contingent, the women are probably hairy, smelly, and look like Kerry himself anyway.

And that's with their animal-product-free make-up on.

Even as a commie, I'd pass.

It is funny and sad at the same time to see leftists have to resort to the same tactics used by Borneo chimps. But, hey, I suppose it is time that they looked up to a group smarter than them for leadership.

Norm Peterson
11th August 2004, 19:58
Yet another good one from Capitalist Empirial. Nice Borneo reference.

fernando
11th August 2004, 19:59
Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 11 2004, 07:22 PM

It is funny and sad at the same time to see leftists have to resort to the same tactics used by Borneo chimps. But, hey, I suppose it is time that they looked up to a group smarter than them for leadership.
dear god, you americans amuse me...since when was Kerry a leftist? I mean in the US you can pick between a right wing government and a......



...well you guessed it...another right wing government :lol:

Norm Peterson
11th August 2004, 20:04
So, what you are saying is that Kerry is right wing? Gee wiz, I have never heard a communist use that one before. Try looking at the man's voting record, and the interest groups that support him, and then tell me the man is a conservative. You Europeans never cease to amaze me with your stupidity. Kerry is as much of a communist as you are.

Dr. Rosenpenis
11th August 2004, 20:27
Originally posted by Norm [email protected] 11 2004, 03:04 PM
So, what you are saying is that Kerry is right wing? Gee wiz, I have never heard a communist use that one before. Try looking at the man's voting record, and the interest groups that support him, and then tell me the man is a conservative. You Europeans never cease to amaze me with your stupidity. Kerry is as much of a communist as you are.
You obviously don't know anything about either leftist politics or international politics.

"Liberalism" or "conservatism" only refer to slightly different agendas which work within capitalism, and neither involve changing capitalism into socialism.

To us communists, who want to do away with capitalism altogether, both agendas are equally reactionary. Whether or not Kerry wants to grant more money for Medicare or whether or not he wants to legalize stem-cell research doesn't matter when we want to suppress the American government completely. Dig?

And when regarding international politics, Kerry is a right-winger.
And seeing that you think that Kerry is a communist, you've obviously also never spoken to a communist, and wouldn't know what or who communists call "right-wingers".

A better strategy for these political prostitutes would be to have sex with people in return for them voting for nobody. :lol:

Because no capitalist politician will ever take that single significant step, which is to grant power to the people by the only means possible, which is by establishing socialism.

fernando
11th August 2004, 20:41
Originally posted by Norm [email protected] 11 2004, 08:04 PM
So, what you are saying is that Kerry is right wing? Gee wiz, I have never heard a communist use that one before. Try looking at the man's voting record, and the interest groups that support him, and then tell me the man is a conservative. You Europeans never cease to amaze me with your stupidity. Kerry is as much of a communist as you are.
First of all...Im not a communist, and in European standard Kerry is right wing, you dont really have socialist or communist parties in the US which have any political influence, your two party system has very little variaty....I mean Republicans...Democrats, the difference isnt that big ;)

But ok...to you Democrats are communists I guess...yes Yankee stupidy never ceases to amaze me :lol:

Vinny Rafarino
11th August 2004, 21:35
Kerry is as much of a communist as you are.


:lol:

Anyone ever heard the phrase "sharp as a marble"?

Capitalist Imperial
11th August 2004, 21:41
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 08:27 PM
You obviously don't know anything about either leftist politics or international politics.

"Liberalism" or "conservatism" only refer to slightly different agendas which work within capitalism, and neither involve changing capitalism into socialism.

To us communists, who want to do away with capitalism altogether, both agendas are equally reactionary. Whether or not Kerry wants to grant more money for Medicare or whether or not he wants to legalize stem-cell research doesn't matter when we want to suppress the American government completely. Dig?

And when regarding international politics, Kerry is a right-winger.
And seeing that you think that Kerry is a communist, you've obviously also never spoken to a communist, and wouldn't know what or who communists call "right-wingers".

A better strategy for these political prostitutes would be to have sex with people in return for them voting for nobody. :lol:

Because no capitalist politician will ever take that single significant step, which is to grant power to the people by the only means possible, which is by establishing socialism.

You obviously don't know anything about either leftist politics or international politics.

A unnfounded and reactionary ad hominem Attack, nothing more.


"Liberalism" or "conservatism" only refer to slightly different agendas which work within capitalism, and neither involve changing capitalism into socialism.

Incorrect. "Liberalism" and "conservatism" are much more generic than you suggest, and can be applied across a myriad of ideologies, including communism, facsism, and socialism. They refer to political ideolgy, where capitalism refers to economic ideolgy. So, while they can be used in conjuction, they are not exclusive to each other. This is easily evidenced by the "political compass" that so many of te gadflies in this forum subsribe to.

Additionally, their respective agandas are much more varied than you submit as well.


And when regarding international politics, Kerry is a right-winger.

Really?

Subject: Fw: Mrs. John Kerry


Following is a brief backround on Mrs. John Kerry . She hates being called that, by the way:
Maria Teresa Thiersten Simoes-Ferreira Heinz Kerry. Married Senator Kerry in 1995. She only took his name eighteen months ago and she is an "interesting" paradox of conflicts.

If you thought John Kerry was scary, he doesn't hold a candle to his wife! Maria Teresa Thiersten Simoes-Ferreira Heinz Kerry was born in Mozambique, the daughter of a Portuguese physician, was educated in Switzerland and South Africa. Fluent in five languages, she was working as a United Nations interpreter in Geneva in the mid-60's when she met a "handsome" young American, H. John Heinz, III, who worked at a bank in Geneva. He told her his family was "in the food business."

They were married in 1966 and returned to Pittsburgh where his family ran the giant H. J. Heinz food company. He was elected to the US House of Representatives in 1971, and in 1976 he was elected to the first of three terms in the United States Senate. A Republican, he wrote a burning diatribe against some of the causes backed by young House member John Kerry.

Several years later, in 1991, he was killed when his plane collided with a Sun Oil Company helicopter over a Philadelphia suburb. The senator, his pilot and copilot, and both of Sun's helicopter pilots were killed. He was survived by his wife, Teresa, and their three young sons. Four years later, having inherited Heinz's $500 million fortune, she married Senator John Forbes Kerry, the liberal then-junior senator from Massachusetts. She became a registered Democrat and the process of her radicalization was set in motion.

Heinz Kerry is not shy about telling people that she required Kerry to sign a pre-nuptial agreement before they were married. John Kerry may not have check writing privileges on the Heinz catsup and pickle fortune, but he is certainly a willing and uncomplaining beneficiary of it.

A lot of hard-earned money, made through many years of hawking catsup, mustard, and pickles has fallen into the hands of two people who despise successful entrepreneurship and who believe in the confiscatory redistribution of wealth.

So how does Mrs. Heinz Kerry spend John Heinz's money?

Just one example:
According to the G2 Bulletin, an online intelligence newsletter of world NetDaily, in the years between 1995-2001 she gave more than $4 million to an organization called the Tides Foundation. And what does the Tides Foundation do with John Heinz's money? They support numerous antiwar groups, including Ramsey Clark's International Action Center. Clark has offered to defend Saddam Hussein when he's tried.

They support the Democratic Justice Fund, a joint venture of the Tides Foundation and billionaire hate-monger George Soros. The Democratic Justice Fund seeks to ease restrictions on Muslim immigration from "terrorist" states.

They support the Council for American-Islamic Relations, whose leaders are known to have close ties to the terrorist group, Hamas.

They support the National Lawyers Guild, organized as a communist front during the Cold War era. One of their attorneys, Lynne Stewart, has been arrested for helping a client, Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, communicate
with terror cells in Egypt. He is the convicted mastermind of the 1993 World Trade Center bombing.

They support the "Barrio Warriors," a radical Hispanic group whose primary goal is to return all of Arizona, California, New Mexico, and Texas to Mexico.

These are but a few of the radical groups that ben! efit, through the anonymity provided by the Tides Foundation, from the generosity of our would-be first lady, the wealthy widow of Republican senator John Heinz, and now the wife of the Democratic senator who aspires to be the 44th President of the United States.

Aiding and supporting our enemies is not good for America, regardless of your political views.

If voters will open their eyes, educate themselves and see the real Teresa Heinz Kerry, they will not appreciate her position as ultra rich fairy godmother of the radical left. They will not want to imagine her laying her head on a pillow each night inches away from the President of the United States.

Hopefully they love this country enough to decide that the only way these two will ever be allowed into the White House is with an engraved invitation in hand.


Instead of deleting this, pass it on. Let everyone know these people are unfit to represent this great nation. The uninformed will never hear the truth from the press, who wants Kerry elected!

> Courtesy of C.T.C.

We must assume that he is close to his wife, or at least tolerates this abomination in her political outreach, correct?


And seeing that you think that Kerry is a communist, you've obviously also never spoken to a communist, and wouldn't know what or who communists call "right-wingers".

Go look up faceteousness in the dictionary and stop splitting hairs.


Because no capitalist politician will ever take that single significant step, which is to grant power to the people by the only means possible, which is by establishing socialism.

Yes, because almost every half-way lucid person on eath associates socialism with "power to the people"!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Based on your assertion, I have some more associations that you may find logical:

Ice - Hot

Fire - Cold

Water - Dry

France - Strong

Hot Dog Day #84
11th August 2004, 22:36
Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 06:53 PM
Source (http://www.shortnews.com/shownews.cfm?id=41986&u_id=58472)

Republican Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell has staffers who will monitor this group, and they say its fourth degree felony to take or make "anything of value" for votes. Some ask if it is a hoax like the 1993 "Arm the Homeless" campaign.
theyre gross thats gross

Dr. Rosenpenis
11th August 2004, 23:13
Incorrect. "Liberalism" and "conservatism" are much more generic than you suggest, and can be applied across a myriad of ideologies, including communism, facsism, and socialism. They refer to political ideolgy, where capitalism refers to economic ideolgy. So, while they can be used in conjuction, they are not exclusive to each other. This is easily evidenced by the "political compass" that so many of te gadflies in this forum subsribe to.

Additionally, their respective agandas are much more varied than you submit as well.

Liberal and conservative, I suppose, can be used as the political compass uses it. "Liberal", however, has a lot of different connotations. Classic liberalism, neo-liberalism, libertarianism, etc. None of which accurately describe the American "left". And "conservative" hardly ever means "authoritarian". I've never heard a Stalinist or anyone describing a Stalinist as a 'conservative communist.'

But I see your point.

But in respect to the actual topic, he used conservative in a completely different context. He used "conservative" as a synonym for the right.

And that's alot of very irrelevent crap you just posted about Mrs. Kerry.

In my mind, any capitalism is right-winged. Kerry does not fight capitalism, she is a capitalist!

And not only is John also a capitalist, he strengthens the system by being a US politician. By working within capitalism, one necessarily condones it. And that is not very progressive.

cubist
12th August 2004, 01:38
i like it use the enforced weakness of mankind to influence an election, obviously people could still vote bush,

its kinda sad but the truth is our society is kinda sad, driven by money appearence and sex,

Raisa
13th August 2004, 01:17
[QUOTE=Capitalist Imperial,Aug 11 2004, 07:22 PM] If it is coming from such a stalwart leftist contingent, the women are probably hairy, smelly, and look like Kerry himself anyway.

Why can't women have their own body hair?

Sabocat
13th August 2004, 10:43
That goofy diatribe has been floating around the web for a while. C'mon CI, you can do better than post this kind of crap. Besides, we all know that Teresa Hienz Kerry is no kind of left winger. She's heavily invested in the oil, telecommunications, and pharmaceutical industries. She was previously married to a Republican, and in her book, stated that she didn't trust Ted Kennedy.

Here is the story regarding her donations to the Tides Foundation from the source itself.

The Truth About Tides Foundation, Tides Center and the Heinz Endowments

Over the past few months, Tides Foundation and Tides Center have been the subjects of a growing number of misleading news articles, opinion pieces and viral mails flying across the internet. Most of these concern the relationship between Tides Foundation, Tides Center and the Heinz Endowments. More to the point, the majority of these attacks focus on how that relationship reflects on Teresa Heinz Kerry, who chairs the Howard Heinz Endowment, sits on the board of the Vira I. Heinz Endowment and is married to presidential nominee Senator John Kerry.

These reports have included a few correct facts, a few almost-correct facts, a good deal of false innuendo and several flat out false statements.

These reports generally confuse Tides Foundation—a grantmaking institution—with Tides Center—a separate nonprofit that provides administrative services such as payroll, insurance, human resources and fiscal sponsorship to more than 200 groups across the country. These reports gravely mischaracterize the relationship between the Heinz Endowments and Tides Foundation and Tides Center. And they confuse, baselessly attack or completely invent groups that we support.


Read the rest (http://www.tidesfoundation.org/press_rel_05.cfm)

Capitalist Imperial
13th August 2004, 17:02
Originally posted by [email protected] 13 2004, 01:17 AM
[QUOTE=Capitalist Imperial,Aug 11 2004, 07:22 PM] If it is coming from such a stalwart leftist contingent, the women are probably hairy, smelly, and look like Kerry himself anyway.

Why can't women have their own body hair?
They can, it was just a joke.

However, in the US, the generally accepted standards of well-groomed and attractive women dictate that body hair should be removed or minimized everywhere except the head.

fernando
14th August 2004, 01:08
Hehehe...but ok American taste in women is warped...I mean, what&#39;s up with those grotesque fasination with giant boobs? <_<

I agree with the "unhairy women=hot" though :lol: