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honest intellectual
5th May 2002, 16:08
From the Irish Times, May 2nd.

Proof that man did land on the moon
Dr William Reville



On February 15th, 2001, the US Fox TV network aired a programme called Conspiracy Theory: Did We Land On the Moon? hosted by X-files actor Mitch Pileggi. It featured interviews with people who believe that NASA faked the Apollo moon landings in the 1960s and 1970s.

The overall conclusion was that the whole thing was faked on a film-set in the Nevada desert. It was claimed that NASA did not have the technical capability to go to the moon at the time but the pressure of the Cold War with the Soviet Union forced them to fake the moon landings.

"OK", I can hear you say, but why bother with stuff like this? Isn't there always a market for small-minority crackpot views and isn't paying attention only giving them the oxygen of publicity? It turns out that the minority we are discussing is actually quite sizeable. A recent survey found that 20 per cent of US citizens expressed doubt as to whether NASA landed men on the moon. It is disturbing to think that such a significant minority believes in fairytales. If scientists can disprove the evidence for a NASA hoax, then it is important that this be done.

It would have been possible for NASA to hire a skilled film director and film crew and to film a convincing mock-up of a moon landing. We have seen many examples of such filmmaking over the years. The most recent one I remember is Mission to Mars. But so many people (actors, camera-persons, technicians, administrators, etc.) would be required for this conspiracy that it would be impossible to keep it secret for months, let alone for more than 30 years. To quote from Poor Richard's Almanack: "Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead."

I will briefly outline some of the main evidence quoted by the hoax theorists and the explanations that rebut them.

Claim No. 1: Films taken from the moon show no stars in the black sky. This was a mistake NASA made on the film-set.

Answer: The thick atmosphere on Earth scatters sunlight all over the sky and this is why the sky is bright during the day, swamping the faint starlight. Without sunlight at night the earth sky is dark, allowing us to see the stars. The lack of air on the moon causes the background sky to always appear dark, even near to the full bright daytime sun. All the lunar landings were done at local morning time when the sun was low on the horizon and brightly lighting the lunar landscape. The astronauts wore white spacesuits, also brightly lit by the sun.

When you take a picture of a bright object in a bright background you must set a fast camera exposure time and restrict the amount of light entering the lens. But, stars are faint objects and in the fast exposure they don't have enough time to register on the film. If you took a picture of the sky on Earth on a pitch black night using the astronauts' moon camera settings you wouldn't record any stars on your film either.

Claim No. 2: The US flag waved as it was planted by the astronauts but the moon is airless and gusts of wind are necessary to wave the flag.

Answer: The flag only moved when the astronauts jiggled the pole on which the flag hung. Under these circumstances the flag will wave, whether or not air is present.

Claim No. 3: Shadows in the photographs taken on the moon reveal two sources of light. But the sun is the only source of light on the moon. The extra light sources were studio spotlights.

Answer: There are three sources of light on the moon - the sun, the Earth reflecting the sun and the moon itself, which powerfully reflects the sun.

Claim No. 4: The moon photographs show no blast crater made by the engine of the Lunar Excursion Module (LEM) which landed on the moon and the top portion of which later took off again.

Answer: The moon's surface is covered by a few inches of dust beneath which is a solid surface not easily affected by an engine blast. Also, as the rocket landed it throttled back to a low level of thrust, exerting a pressure of only 1.5 pounds per square inch on the surface of the moon.

Claim No. 5: When the LEM took off from the moon there was no visible rocket exhaust. It leaped off its base as though yanked up by cables.

Answer: The footage shows there was a substantial blast sending dust flying. Also, the LEM used a fuel mix that produces no visible flame.

The conspiracy theorists make many more claims and all of them are relatively easily refuted. More serious charges are also made of the murder of astronauts and pilots in "accidents", including Gus Grissom in the Apollo I fire, because they were about to go public to expose the hoax.But the conspiracy theorists have produced no positive evidence to support their position.

I have nothing against a conspiracy theory that is supported by credible evidence, but this one is not. Conspiracy theories of this sort will always be with us. Some people want to believe in them and many people want to be entertained by them. The NASA fake moon landings theory probably won't go away, but we should continue to dampen it down lest it burn out of control.

William Reville is associate professor of Biochemistry and director of Microscopy at UCC
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What's interesting is the approach that Dr Reville takes. He thinks that because there is no evidence that the landing was faked, this amounts to proof that ma landed on the moon. He asks himself, "What evidence is there that te footage is fake?", whereas I would ask myself "What evidence is there that te footage is real?"

Nateddi
5th May 2002, 16:19
I saw a Fox special on that.

I am not sure whether they did or didn't, I don't care.

sypher
5th May 2002, 17:12
personally I think they did land on the moon. But I wouldn't be suprised if it turned out they didn't.
(I mean it wouldn't be out of the ordinary for the u.$. propaganda)

Hattori Hanzo
5th May 2002, 18:46
I believe we landed on the moon, America had/has the technology to do so, why would they not and simply lie?

James
5th May 2002, 19:08
They could have possibly faked it because of the cold war, as is stated.

But i believe they did land, but i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't as well.

bleed3r
5th May 2002, 20:07
interesting... now i dont know what to believe =p
i think propaganda of that magnitude would be taken much more seriously by the us govt. and probably would have been nearly flawlessly fabricated... i.e. there wouldnt be so many obvious imperfections to build an argument on. i cant say for sure whether i believe they landed on the moon at the specified date, i woulnt be surprised if they didnt, but i would certainly be surprised if they havent by now...

I Will Deny You
5th May 2002, 21:06
The FOX special has been discredited. I think it's just a bunch of bs.

BOZG
5th May 2002, 21:07
I heard about that conspiracy a few years ago. The only real evidence they had was the fact that they haven't been able to do anything on the moon in the 33 years since they supposedly landed.

Xvall
5th May 2002, 22:21
Yeah! Right! They landed on the moon..
It's that great, you know.. That Nasa has the supreme ability to defy physics and all..

Damnit people! I highly doubt they landed on the moon. I've known about all the errors of this for years. Most notibly, the fact that the astronauts would die of radiation poisoning, and that the moon is either completely bright, or completely dark. There can't be shadows if on the light side of the moon. In addition, the landing of the pod would cause a crater. (Unless that's one HELL of a sturdy pod!) On top of that, there's no wind in outer space, the flag wouldn't fly, and if the astronaut 'leaped', he would float off into space.

vox
5th May 2002, 22:44
Oh dear. Here we see the importance of the Science thread from the Theory forum. Drake, of course there are shadows on the moon. When the sun is at a low angle on the horizon, shadows are cast. If you want a detailed account about radiation exposure, this page (http://spider.ipac.caltech.edu/staff/waw/mad/mad19.html) has one for you.

In general, though, most people will be satisfied by the Bad Astronomy (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/tv/foxapollo.html) page which corrects the myths Fox promoted.

Science, folks. It's really not the enemy.

vox

Angie
6th May 2002, 13:23
I tend to believe in the word of Russian astro-scientists, and the ones who've I've heard seem pretty convinced that it did happen. I have no particular reason to doubt the idea that such an event happened.

Al Fidai
6th May 2002, 13:28
Remins me of something a friend of mine once told me .
when they were testing the lunar rover and other equipment in the southwestern dessert before the launch,a Navajo(of maybe cherokee,forgive me for getting it wrong)medicine man observed from a distance,the astronauts in there moon gear and space suit galavanting around in the dessert.So he and a translator went to ask them what they were doing.When they explained to them that they were going to land on the moon,the medicine man remained silent for a minute,then he wrote a note and told his tranlator to tell them to give this to the moon people when they get there,but dont tell the nasa men what it says.the nasa men took the note and when he got back to the base had somone translate it for him,and the note said"to my brother on the moon from your brothers on earth-Dont trust these people,they have come to steal your land"

FtWfTn
6th May 2002, 13:42
Honestly I don't care either way if we did. . .But did they have the technology at the time to filn a movie like that? I mean that would take alot of special effects during that time period. I dunno.. .it seems to hold no interest to me.

kingbee
6th May 2002, 21:13
bollox they didnt land on the moon. short but sweet.

LeonardoDaVinci
7th May 2002, 15:01
Guys..as an aerospace engineer who specialises in the field of astronautics and space engineering I can absolutely guarantee you that man HAS landed on the moon. It is a silly pointless rumour drawn up by conspiracy theorists.

Going to the moon is not as difficult as many people think it is, as long as you know your orbital mechanics and have the sufficient technology to do so. As for radiation well the EVA suit (space suit)is designed to protect the astronauts from radiation, micro-meteorites and other space hazards that they might encounter and hence they cost about $2,000,000.

However, getting man to Mars is a whole new ball game. The flight path is more complex (on average there is a window of opportunity about once every 2 yrs). There is also the main obstacle of man's adaptability in space for long durations and radiation risks. We actually do have the technology to do it very soon (if not now). The only problem is that such projects have to be agreed by damn politicians who are more interested in their military toys and nukes (US Department of Defence's Budget for 2003 is $378.6 billions).

I reckon that if Russia had the necessary funds they would do it way before the americans can. They were always ahead in the Space program (first man in space, first woman in space, first satelite..etc). And you might not know that while the americans were thinking about the moon the Russians had their eyes set on Mars (unfortunately it wasn't that cheap and the technology wasn't that up to date).

As my lecturer once said, Russians have always been more pragmatic and ingenious. Whilst the americans spent millions of dollars to develop a pen that could write in space, the Russians instead decided to use the pencil -simple and effective-

honest intellectual
11th May 2002, 18:13
But why would they bother going to the moon when they ccould fake it for less?

Dynatos
12th May 2002, 06:23
Fuck the moon! I think we would be better off without one. Maby we should use it for nuke testing in space or mady we could put a gigantic gun on it and point it at earth and better yet we could just crash it into the sun for no reson at all.

deimos
12th May 2002, 17:05
thats crazy.....the people who believe this are these people who are training in the woods becasue the fear a communistic-jewish invasion or the attack of the venusians.........