Privacy

[Daniel Karssenberg]

I shall write a summary of an article I read in the newspaper:

Recently a thief stole a laptop from an electronics shop, as an result to the theft the shopkeeper placed pictures of this man (from the cameras in the shop) in the shop and on the shop's website. "Informing the police is almost useless" he said "They never have time and tell me to come back in a week". The person that gives a tip to the criminal will be rewarded.
According to the law it is a violation of a human's privacy to hang pictures of him and to distribute videotapes of him, "I can be tried for this, but I doubt the thief will try to prosecute me, if he does I trust the law, because after all, he's the criminal".

Do you believe the shopkeeper was right in violating the thief's privacy? I am doubtful, I believe he has the right to get its laptop back, on the other hand I believe you cant just hang pictures of someone in a shop. What do you think?

[DarkAngel]

I think you give most of your rights when you steal, atleast for a period anyway... In a way you violeted the person who you stole from's rights, so what makes you think that your rights are more important?

[Capitalist Imperial]

In the US, it is not illegal to post pictures of someone in a place of private business if they have violated legal business practice.

Its not even illegal to film people in general, as long as you don't distribute the images for profit without a licence or the expressed permission of involved parties.

[Daniel Karssenberg]

Well in my country, it is :)

[Capitalist Imperial]

Viva la difference!!!

[Guerrilla22]

here in Denver, they have something called "Johns TV) where they air mug shots of men convicted of picking up prostitutes on tv. THe Netherlands, what a country its not legal to film people, but prostitution and drugs are.

[Daniel Karssenberg]

Well, if you film somebody who doesn't want it it's a crime. Drugs and going to a hooker is your own choice, being filmed isn't.

[Norm Peterson]

If the man has conclusive evidence that the man stole his laptop, he is breaking no law. However, if he merely thinks the man stole his desk top, is 90% sure, but lacks conclusive evidence, the accused could come back and sue him for libel and defamation of character. (http://www.ldrc.com/LDRC_Info/libelfaqs.html)

[Misodoctakleidist]

Who cares about the shopkeeper?

[Norm Peterson]

What if had been a homeowner, would your thinking change Misodoctakleidist? How about a renter, a guy at the bus stop, or a homeless bum? What if it were a crack addict that was robbed of his money? How does a man's socioeconomic status change your thinking about a crime against another person? Should thievery be accepted in a civil society, as long as it's stealinf from some rich guy? With that kind of thinking, how can you even begin to speak out morally about the rich stealing from the poor? You have already justified theft.

[Misodoctakleidist]

I justified theft of capital.

[Norm Peterson]

What the shop owner doesn't have a mortgage, kids to feed, and all the other problems facing the proletariate? The small businessman probably suffers more than the American blue collar worker. The odds are stacked against him. However, that is not the point. Where do you find moral justification for your cause, when you advocate theft of any kind?

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 04:20 AM
here in Denver, they have something called "Johns TV) where they air mug shots of men convicted of picking up prostitutes on tv. THe Netherlands, what a country its not legal to film people, but prostitution and drugs are.
They'd likely get better ratings showing pictures of the ho's.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 10:33 AM
I justified theft of capital.
I wouldn't call a Korean Immigrant with a south-central LA liquor store that is clearing 30k/ month for his family of 6 as a "Captain of Industry".

[Daniel Karssenberg]

The thief has been caught, he brought back the laptop. His friends saw him on the internet. :)

[Guerrilla22]

who cares if a laptop got stolen from his shop, insurance would cover his loss anyways.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 05:58 PM
who cares if a laptop got stolen from his shop, insurance would cover his loss anyways.
And then everyone's insurance rates go up.

Who cares if a candy bar is stolen? Wal-Mart can easily absorb that, right?

That makes it absolutely OK, right?

It seems that often the leftists' assumed moral high-ground is lost when injustice occurs against what they consider undesirables.

[Norm Peterson]

Hey Guerilla22,

The Buffs suck. You must be from Boulder, as I smell dirty hippy in my midst.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 11 2004, 02:12 PM
I wouldn't call a Korean Immigrant with a south-central LA liquor store that is clearing 30k/ month for his family of 6 as a "Captain of Industry".
Perhaps not but the "theft" of capital is still perfectly justified since it's existence isn't.

[Norm Peterson]

Said the man typing on his desktop.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by Norm [email protected] 11 2004, 06:49 PM
Said the man typing on his desktop.
It's a laptop actualy :P

Regardless, you probably think that you're clever now so I'd like to point out that my laptop isn't capital, I bought it for my own consumption.

[Norm Peterson]

You use it to educate yourself, I am sure, and as such it becomes a tool of capital investment. This time it is human investment. God knows that if you educate yourself to an acceptable level you will wisen up and start using it purely for profit. You should hand your laptop over to the state and allow them to reallocate your personal property. Only then can you call yourself a true communist. Yeah, that would be the right thing to do. Until then, you are just another hypocrit foaming at the mouth, like a rabid dog waiting to be put out of his misery.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by Norm [email protected] 11 2004, 06:57 PM
You should hand your laptop over to the state and allow them to reallocate your personal property. Only then can you call yourself a true communist.
Really? How is that?


Until then, you are just another hypocrit foaming at the mouth, like a rabid dog waiting to be put out of his misery.

I see.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 11 2004, 06:48 PM
Perhaps not but the "theft" of capital is still perfectly justified since it's existence isn't.
Come on, get serious.

[Norm Peterson]

You must undertand, what's his name would rather be living in a mud hut following the smurfberry guide to living. To him, the nonexistence of technology is somehow better than the quality of life afforded us in the 21st century. Let someone steal his laptop, and then see how lost he becomes without it.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by Norm [email protected] 11 2004, 07:41 PM
You must undertand, what's his name would rather be living in a mud hut following the smurfberry guide to living. To him, the nonexistence of technology is somehow better than the quality of life afforded us in the 21st century.
I think you have me confused with a conservative.


Let someone steal his laptop, and then see how lost he becomes without it.
I would become a hollow shell of a man, a shaddow of my former self, I would capitulate and repent my evil leftist ways.

[Norm Peterson]

I think you have me confused with a conservative.

Ouch, the old I know you are but what am I retort.

[Misodoctakleidist]

Originally posted by Norm [email protected] 11 2004, 08:07 PM

Ouch, the old I know you are but what am I retort.
Indeed, I thought it reflected well the character of your accusation.

[Danton]

Listen, enough of this. The laptop was not stolen, it was expropriated for further revolutionary research. The shop owner should be publicly flogged.

[Max Born]

Very funny.

[Danton]

Do I look like I'm laughing? I liberate electronics from corporations whenever possible, it is revolutionary duty.

[ÑóẊîöʼn]

Danton should be publicly flogged.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 01:45 PM
Do I look like I'm laughing? I liberate electronics from corporations whenever possible, it is revolutionary duty.
Is that why I paid $100 more for my damn laptop?

Damn!!! The rising cost of checking my investment portfolio in real time...

Oh well, it looks like I'll simply have to recruit more Ecuadorian 6 year olds to stitch 1000 extra t-shirts this month. I'll make it up in volume.

[Danton]

Originally posted by Capitalist [email protected] 12 2004, 02:24 PM
Is that why I paid $100 more for my damn laptop?

Damn!!! The rising cost of checking my investment portfolio in real time...

Oh well, it looks like I'll simply have to recruit more Ecuadorian 6 year olds to stitch 1000 extra t-shirts this month. I'll make it up in volume.
And one of those little Ecuadorians (they are little people) will see the injustice of this and rise up against the imperialst dogs. So by stealing electronics we are sparking revolution.

[Capitalist Imperial]

Originally posted by [email protected] 12 2004, 02:39 PM
And one of those little Ecuadorians (they are little people) will see the injustice of this and rise up against the imperialst dogs. So by stealing electronics we are sparking revolution.
Ah, I see.

Keep telling yourself that, tiger.

[Danton]

I do everyday but the dreams won't stop, I roar like Tiger inna de night.