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Subversive Pessimist
8th August 2004, 10:50
I've gathered some stories from soldiers in Iraq. If you like it, I'll add more later. This one is just a few days old.



Thursday, August 05, 2004
Men In Black

This is what CNN wrote on their website about what happened yesterday here in Mosul:
Mosul clashes leave 12 dead
Clashes between police and insurgents in the northern city of Mosul left 12 Iraqis dead and 26 wounded, hospital and police sources said Wednesday.
Rifle and rocket-propelled grenade fire as well as explosions were heard in the streets of the city.
The provincial governor imposed a curfew that began at 3 p.m. local time (7 a.m. EDT), and two hours later, provincial forces, police and Iraqi National Guard took control, according to Hazem Gelawi, head of the governor's press office in the Nineveh province.
Gelawi said the city is stable and expects the curfew to be lifted Thursday.

Now here's what really happened:
I was in my room reading a book (Thin Red Line) when the mortars started coming down. Usually when we get mortared it'll only one, maybe two mortars. But this mortar attack went on for almost 20 minutes. Each one impacting the FOB every couple minutes. Something was up. My roommate ripped open the door and yelled "Get your guys, Go to the motor pool! The whole BATTALION is rolling out!" Holy shit, the whole Battalion? This must be big. So I ran over and woke my guys up, yelled, "Get your fuckin shit on and head down to the motor pool! Time: Now!" I grabbed my shit and started running to the motor pool, hearing small arms fire off in the back ground. By now everybody was running to motor pool. Putting their cloths on while they were running. At the motor pool, everybody was strapping on there shit and getting ready. One by one a Stryker was rolling out of the motor pool ready to hunt down whoever was fucking with us. People were hooting and hollering, yelling their war cries and doing the Indian yell thing as they drove off and locked and loaded their weapons. These guys that are attacking us just fucked with the bee's nest, and now they're getting the swarm. As I got the vehicle ready to go I overheard on our radio that shit was hitting the fan all over Mosul, large amounts of people attacking us with small arms, RPG attacks, burned vehicles, and there was a bunch of people in all black armed with AK's over by the bridge in front of the Mosul Hotel. Fuck. I overheard one of our iraqi interpreter say in broken English, "Give me gun, I want to kill these motherfuckers!" As we rolled out the main gate, our FOB was getting attacked, we had soldiers laying down in the prone up on the outer perimeter of the FOB firing there weapons out. We rolled down the main exit out and drove down a busy two way street. I was the T.C. for our vehicle, my job is to be behind the .50 cal, and operate the system, which allows me to fire it, which down in the hatch, it is this little black and white TV screen with red cross hairs in the middle of the screen. On the right of my seat I have a little joystick type thing, kinda like what fighter pilots have, that has a trigger on it which allows he to fire the 50 when I'm down in the hatch. This was only my second day as a T.C. Sitting right next to me out the hatch was my Plt Sgt.. Shortly as we were driving down the main street leaving our FOB, a man, dressed in all black, jumped out from the side corner of a building, pointed his AK47 right at me. Right at my fucking head and all I saw was the fire from his muzzle flash leaving the end of his barrel as he was shooting at me. I heard and felt the bullets whiz literally inches from my head, hitting all around my hatch and 50 cal mount making a "Ping" "Ping" "Ping" sound. I ducked the fucked down in the hatch. I yelled "We're taking fire! 3 O'clock!!! Turned the gun around towards where the guy was and fired a burst. I fired a burst right over our back air guard hatch where our First Sgt was sticking out of and shooting. He yelled "Tell him to stop fucking shooting over my head!!!" Shit. My bad. I looked over and my PLT Sgt who was sticking out the hatch next to me a couple seconds ago was now dropped down from the hatch and now on his back. He was yelling, "I'm Hit! I'm hit!" I looked at his helmet and a bullet went right through his helmet and exited through the other side. Holy shit! I didn't see any blood on him. He looked completely dazed though. He took his Helmet off and observed the holes in his helmet. No fucking shit, the bullet entered his helmet, and exited through the other side, missing his upper forehead by like 1-100th of an inch. A fuckin miricale. He was standing right next to me, that's how close the bullets were from hitting us. We continued driving. We had to drive to the Mosul Bridge that was right next to the Mosul hotel about a couple miles away. There was reports of a buncha people, wearing all black armed with AK's hanging out there. Our job was to locate and kill them. We were driving there on that main street, when all of the sudden all hell came down all around on us, all these guys wearing all black (Black pants, and a black t-shirts tucked in), a couple dozen on each side of the street, on rooftops, alleys, edge of buildings, out of windows, everywhere just came out of fucking nowhere and started firing RPG's and AK47's at us. I freaked the fuck out and ducked down in the hatch. I yelled "WE GOT FUCKIN HAJI'S ALL OVER THE FUCKIN PLACE!!! THERE ALL OVER GOD DAMNIT!!!" Bullets were pinging off our armor all over our vehicle, and you could hear multiple RPG's being fired and flying through the air and impacting all around us. All sorts of crazy insane Hollywood explosions bullshit going on all around us. I've never felt fear like this. I was like, this is it, I'm going to die. I cannot put into words how scared I was. The vehicle in front of us got hit 3 times by RPG's. I kind of lost it and I was yelling and screaming all sorts of things. (mostly cuss words) I fired the .50 cal over the place, shooting everything. My driver was helping me out and pointing out targets to me over the radio. He helped me a lot that day. They were all over shooting at us. My PLT was stuck right smack dab in the middle of the ambush and we were in the kill zone. We shot our way out of it and drove right through the ambush. The street we were driving down to escape, had 3 to 4 story high buildings all along each side, as we were driving away all you could see were 100's and 100's of bullets impacting all over these buildings. Finally we went over to the bridge that was next to the Mosul hotel. We parked there, and dismounted the guys. The Pepsi bottling building across the street was all up in flames. Then we were told to load up and go back to where we got ambushed. I'm not going to lie, I didn't want to go back. Fuck that shit, I don't want to get killed. That was the last place on earth I wanted to be. I was scared to death. But we had to go back, and we did. On the way back I was up out of the hatch, scanning , I saw people running down steets that we passed with AK47's, I didn't have a shot at them with the 50, because we were going way to fast and how the gun was positioned. We past several men with a AK's running down a street, I pulled out my Berretta and fired a mag at them. We rolled back to the area where we all just dodged death, and we were taking fire from all over again. Again, I fired and fired and fired and fired and fired. At everything. We were taking fire from all over. I was just 360ing the 50 cal and shooting at everything. We were taking fire from all over, and every single one of us had our guns blazing. At one time I saw a dog try to run across the street, and somebody shot it. Again, at one time I had the 50 cal traversed and pointing all the way back of the vehicle and I was firing at some guys who were shooting at us up on a rooftop, and I didn't know I was shooting right above the guys heads who were in the back airguard hatchs on our vehicle. My roommate (Sgt from Idaho) tapped my arm, which startled the hell out of me and I quickly jerked back and looked at him and he yelled, "Hey!! Get that gun to the 12!!! Let that one go!! Your doing good!!!" He later told me, when he tapped me on the shoulder, and I jerked back to look at him, I had this crazed look in my eyes that kind of freaked him out. Hovering up above we had Army Kiowa and Apache attack helicopters engaging the enemy on rooftops with Hellfire missiles and rockets. At one time I had to reload the 50 with ammo. The ammo was on the outside of the vehicle on the side. Why they fucking they put it there I don't know. So with my hands I did the sign of the cross thing on my chest, said a prayer (Please god, I don't want to fucking die) and as my Plt Sgt layed down some suppressive fire, I got up out of the hatch, got my whole body completely outside of the vehicle and went over to where the extra ammo was, grabbed a full ammo box, and went back to the hatch, as fast as possible. Scared out of my fuckin mind as I did this. RPG's were still whizzing by and non-stop gun shots were being fired all over. We had our guys in 3rd Sqd dismounted, they had both 240's with them and they were in heavy contact with the enemy, firing AT4's and everything they had at them. Strykers were also launching Tow missiles back at them. I got down in the hatch and started scanning my sector with the 50. Suddenly about 300 meters away I saw 2 guys creeping around this corner, they were hunched down sneaking around hiding behind a stack of truck tires. I could tell by their body language something was up. I placed the cross hairs right on them, but I didn't fire, because I didn't see a weapon on them and I wanted to wait. Next thing you know, I saw another guy come out of that corner with an RPG in his hands. I freaked the fuck out and yelled "RRRPPPPGGGGGGG!!!" My hands was shaking like crazy, my cross hairs were bouncing all over the screen. I gathered my composure as fast as I could, put the cross hairs on them and engaged them with a good 10 second burst of some 50 cal, right at them. Get Some. My Plt Sgt said "good job!". I didn't see anybody move from behind those tires after that. Shortly after that the vehicle parked directly in front of us took an RPG. This gunfight went on for 4 1/2 hours. 23 Victor got fucked up with three RPG's, and their TC (The guy who wrote SOF magazine that letter) took shrapnel to the face, and had to go back for medical attention. So 3nd squad was now going to roll in our vehicle because there vehicle was all fucked up and had go back to the FOB to be repaired. The ING's showed up, and they were clearing the buildings on the street. 3nd squad was helping them, and I was providing over watch for them with the 50. Then all the sudden mortars started impacting around us. These bastards were now firing mortars at us. Time passed and we were extremely low on ammunition and all out of water. My entire DCU uniform was completely wet from sweat and filth. So we all mounted up and drove back to the FOB to get more ammo, water and re-fuel. On the way to the FOB we passed a watermelon stand, all the watermelons had bullet holes in them. In fact, everything on that street had bullet holes in it. The cars, the buildings, everything. There were thousands and thousands of brass shell casings littered all over the streets. Our vehicle was also covered inside and out with brass shell casings and links. Once we got to the FOB, and parked near the motor pool to re-supply, a Sgt ran up to us holding all his gear and his kit and asked, "Hey you guys rolling back out? Do you have room for one more?" This guy who asked us if he could ride with us back out, was in that vehicle that was right in front of us earlier that got RPG'd. They had to drive back to the FOB, because the RPG went right through their vehicle and hit the guy sitting next to him in the stomach, slicing his guts wide open. And now he was now asking us if he could come with, to go give em some more hell. We had no room for him in our vehicle, we were jam packed because we had the guys from third squad with us because there vehicle was out of commission from multiple RPG hits. Since there was no room for him, he gave us all the ammo and his water he had on him, and told us "Go get em." By now it was night, and we were now fully stocked and ready to roll back out. I didn't want to go back out, but you don't have a choice, you have to. Right when we were about to leave the gate, they told us to go back to the motor poll and stand by. So we drove back packed the vehicles, and waited. I was chain smoking right now, one right after another. My nerves were completely shot and I was emotionally drained and physically exhausted. My hands were still kinda shaking. I was sitting up against the tires by myself on the side of the vehicle smoking a cigarette. I've never been through anything like that. I've never felt fear like that. And I've never seen anything like that. Usually these guys do this hit and run bullshit, but these guys today were on the offensive and showed no fear of us. My friend from San Diego, came over and sat next to me. Asked if I was O.K., and I told him "I don't know." We discussed everything that happened today, how it went down, what he did, what I did, what they did. Then the Battalion Commander came by the motor pool and told us all we all did a great job today. Finally they told us to go back to our rooms. I went back to my room, thanked god, and passed out on my bed.
Note: I dont think CNN's report of only 12 dead is accurate.

Quote of the day: "I just want this day to end."

bunk
8th August 2004, 12:27
What vehicles are these they shouldn't really be able to be penetrated by an RPG-7

DRS
8th August 2004, 14:08
yeah that was great.

i love the way how it shows that they we're mentally weak, spraying and praying like that.

bunk
8th August 2004, 14:55
In a firefight were shit's going down loads of people around trying to shoot you RPG blasts going off everywhere spraying and praying doesn't show that you're mentally weak. That is generally what you'd do with a mounted .50 cal in that situation what the fuck are you going to do. Don't tell me that you would not panic or lose your head or shit in a firefight.

Subversive Pessimist
8th August 2004, 15:11
I guess it is different from person to person. Some people are calm in battle, but when they are hiding behind a rock or something, they freak out.

Others enjoy killing people, but when they come home, they freak out and they are put in an institution for mentally unstable people.

My brother in law was shot at in Sarajevo, and saw people shooting at each other, and he don't think it was a big deal, and if he talks about it, it's either jokes or mostly just good memories. He's a calm person, and don't have any problems with what happened, but he has a friend that got nerve problems just being a peace keeper, and his hands are constantly shaking.

So, as I said, I guess it's different from person to person.

bunk
8th August 2004, 15:55
where do you get these stories?
They are very intresting.

DRS: spraying and praying is a main point of an MG and fuck when adrenalin kicks in don't tell me you'd do some crazy stuff. When you're being shot at it does give you a jump.

wet blanket
8th August 2004, 18:57
They really ought to teach our soldiers how to use paragraphs.

Subversive Pessimist
8th August 2004, 19:21
where do you get these stories?
They are very intresting.


Thanks... Well it's basically by pure luck. I'll post another one.


DRS: spraying and praying is a main point of an MG and fuck when adrenalin kicks in don't tell me you'd do some crazy stuff. When you're being shot at it does give you a jump.

Have you been shot at? Been in combat?

DRS
8th August 2004, 19:31
lol, this has nothing to do with me, yeah, i probally would freak out in combat, but i havent gone through Army training.

Its pretty obvsious most of you have the American type of warfare in your mindset, why do you think so many inocents have died? because of their spray and pray mentality

i'm just saying, if that had been the british army in that situation, i reckon they would of been alot more calmer

bunk
8th August 2004, 19:50
er yeah i had some training and have had blanks fired at me in a live combat scenario.
DRS: I'm saying even if the soldier was more calm in that situation and with that weapon any soldier would spray and pray as it is the best tactic when there arwe lot's of targets in front of you.

Subversive Pessimist
8th August 2004, 20:26
er yeah i had some training and have had blanks fired at me in a live combat scenario.


Ah, so it was training, but not like "the real thing"?


Anyways, here's another story:



By my Sergeant Major that I have been nominated for the Bronze Star, a rudimentary JAG investigation is pending for it.


How I got it was through bailing out a pinned IP (Iraqi Police) unit, who are sent into the field with little equipment and hardly any training.

The IP had been tracking around Tikrit partisans of the Ba'ath regime, mostly, in fact, mostly former Iraqi military conscripts who deserted and were suddenly having a change of heart and re-joining their colleagues and those of the various Iraqi paramilitary units such as the Fedayeen Saddam and the guerilla units of the Republican Guard.

The IP commander was formerly an Iraqi beat cop, a policeman being put in a situation he had absolutely NO training on how to handle. A few suspects had been spotted and they began to pursue them via convoy through one of the larger settlements outside of Tikrit.

It was a trap.

As they got into a long, very narrow roadway in the center of the town masked men on the rooftops armed with rocket-propelled grenades hit the IP vehicle up front, and the IP vehicle in the rear. This completely trapped the IP where they were and they were sitting ducks with fire coming down from every direction and they had absolutely no place to run except behind the vehicles, two of which were completely obliterated. The IP tried feebly to engage in a running gunbattle in the direction from which they came to no avail, and they radioed us for immediate evacuation. The radioman was killed in mid-transmission as he was screaming, terrified out of his mind.

We formed a makeshift armored convoy and within minutes we were on our way. I was squad leader so by choice I was in the lead Humvee, I would be among the first to arrive on scene.

It only took us a few minutes at top speed, we were delayed a bit by intentionally disruptive foot traffic, individuals who were passive-aggressive in not being overtly hostile but deliberately blocking our route. We weren't in much of a mood to fuck around so we fired a few warning shots in the air and they quickly dispersed.

When we arrived the IP were under very heavy fire and they were trying to use two of their vehicles that had collided as a barricade, which wasn't doing them a whole lot of good since the enemy was firing from both horizontal and vertical positions.

We swooped in between their barricade and pulled up using our Humvee as a moving shield. Our SAW gunner opened fire at the enemy firing from the streets and that sent them sprawling away as a few of them were cut down in the process. I was first out and I popped two of the people who were firing from the rooftops. As our extraction team began rounding up the IP my squad and another took up defensive positions on opposite ends of the street after we had the rooftops secured, and we engaged in a firefight with the attackers, returning fire, back and forth at one another. They didn't last long before they just gave up and started to fall back, in a fighting retreat. In the process I killed 5 more. I hit one of them in the throat and he dropped to the ground, spraying blood like something out of a cheap horror movie. One of his comrades tried to pick him up but another pulled him away, if he had tried to go back he would have met a similar fate, too.

One of the IP was isolated in a corner and the attackers knew he was there, figuring he was an easy kill. He was crying and yelling in Arabic, curled up in the fetal position. I gave the order for covering fire - and I got up, ran across the street, picked up this IP by his collar and dragged him back across, backwards, and basically threw him in the back of the Humvee face-first. Then we, too, pulled out and started heading back to base, knowing that the attackers were not going to stick around waiting for our reinforcements to arrive in full force.

That is what I am getting the bronze star for. Putting myself in mortal danger to save the life of a terrified IP whose average mortality rate isn't all that great to begin with. What is funny is that the same people who call Arabs "dune coons" and "sand niggers" are the ones who find this so brave of me to have done. I simply wasn't thinking. I was acting intuitively, on instinct, no consideration or forebrain activity involved.

So, I am pretty much guaranteed to get it. The JAG investigation into it is standard proceedure, merely a normal formality.

DRS
8th August 2004, 20:34
Possibly the best tactic................ if you was a 16 year old untrainded iraqi militia, lol.

what i'm trying to say, that in these situations, these people are supposibly suppose to be protecting the country.
my country had been invaded and i saw the tactics they where using, i wouldnt be to hopeful.
I thought the armys tactics where more detailed rather then to, walk into a deathtrap ambush, sit there, shoot up some people, run away, the run right back into it!

When you are dealing with the lifes of inocent people, you would expect a soldier to be more careful, they have these peoples lifes in their hands. Anyone of these stray bullets could of been flying into a block of flats a couple miles from the actuall situation.

No doubt, if i was in his situation, i would of cowered on the floor and literally pissed myself, lol, but then, i havent had the training they have had.
Remeber the main thing they have over the insurgence is their technologie, which these strykers, M4's, Bullet poof jackets, helmets, all in top noch, nothing but the best, we all know how the USA love the spend their money on the military.

i geuss they didnt know the people they would be fighting would be people with no fear

bunk
8th August 2004, 20:37
do you expect them to use single shot or something of course spray and pray is the best tactic that is how a .50 cal is meant to be used. Fighting in urban warfare is somewhat different to traditional warfare or however you may have imagined it.
ComradeStrawberry i don't get what you mean the real thing you asked me whether i had any training or not.

Subversive Pessimist
8th August 2004, 20:42
do you expect them to use single shot or something of course spray and pray is the best tactic that is how a .50 cal is meant to be used.


Maybe that is the case wth .50 cal, but I do know that in the Army they either use burst of single shot.


ComradeStrawberry i don't get what you mean the real thing you asked me whether i had any training or not.

I asked "have you been shot at? Been in combat?"

Sure, training is something, but it's a whole different ballgame when you star the enemy in the eye and you know he wants to kill you, and is probably going to pull the trigger in any second, and it's either you or him.

bunk
8th August 2004, 21:01
you don't usually stare the enmy in the eye unless you both have scopes.
With assault rifles single shot or burst but with MG's not. If you are fighting in a city then they usually have burst on as well when they use assault rifles.
That isn't the point anyway because he was criticizing the guy firing an MG and that was the weapon he has so he uses it on it's fire mode right.

DRS
9th August 2004, 01:51
i didnt say anything at all about single shots, but it even says he done a 360 shooting non stop! surely that is a waste of ammo.

what i'm saying is that he should of took time to identify his target, then plastered him, rather then put 500 holes in the surronding walls and detroyings peoples homes and enviroment

bunk
9th August 2004, 06:37
when there are multiple targets firing at you closeup he's not going to stop firing in between shooting one of them. That is a good thing about an MG mounted on a vehicle he can cover 360' degrees.