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RebeldePorLaPAZ
6th August 2004, 21:03
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Southern Front
John Lindsay-Poland, August 5, 2004

The United States maintains a complex web of military facilities and functions in Latin America and the Caribbean, what the U.S. Southern Command (known as SouthCom) calls its “theater architecture.” U.S. military facilities represent tangible commitments to an ineffective supply-side drug war and to underlying policy priorities, including ensuring access to strategic resources, especially oil.

Much of this web is being woven through Plan Colombia, a massive, primarily military program to eradicate coca plants and to combat armed groups (mostly leftist guerrillas of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia). In the last five years, new U.S. bases and military access agreements have proliferated in Latin America, constituting a decentralization of the U.S. military presence in the region. This decentralization is Washington’s way of maintaining a broad military foothold while accommodating regional leaders’ reluctance to host large U.S. military bases or complexes.

After the U.S. military withdrawal from Panama in 1999, military troops and commands were reconcentrated in Puerto Rico, adding fuel to a nonviolent mass movement to throw the Navy out of its bombing range in Vieques, Puerto Rico. On May 1, 2003, the Navy vacated the Vieques range (though it remains in federal hands) and followed in March 2004 by closing the massive Roosevelt Roads Naval Station. Regional headquarters for the Army, Navy, and Special Forces have moved out of Puerto Rico to Texas and Florida; headquarters of SouthCom (the joint command) is located in Miami.

The Navy continues to operate an “outer range” of nearly 200,000 square miles to practice high-tech naval maneuvers, an underwater tracking range for submarines, and an electronic warfare range in waters near Vieques. The ranges are used by the Navy and by military contractors to test sophisticated ships and weapon systems. The Army also has access to a large National Guard firing range, Camp Santiago, in Salinas, Puerto Rico.

In addition, the Pentagon is investing in expanded infrastructure in the region, with four military bases in Manta, Ecuador; Aruba; Curacao; and Comalapa, El Salvador, known as “cooperative security locations,” or CSLs. These CSLs are leased facilities established to conduct counternarcotics monitoring and interdiction operations. Washington has signed ten-year agreements with Ecuador, the Netherlands (for Aruba and Curacao), and El Salvador and has funded the renovation of air facilities in Ecuador, Aruba, and Curacao. SouthCom also operates some 17 radar sites, mostly in Peru and Colombia, each typically staffed by about 35 personnel.

The CSL and radar facilities monitor the skies and waters of the region and are key to increased surveillance operations in Washington’s Andean drug war. “The majority of assets available to us are focused on the tactical fight in Colombia,” SouthCom chief General Hill said in March 2004. Approved by the short-lived government of Ecuadorean President Jamil Mahuad in November 1999, the base in Manta hosts up to 475 U.S. personnel.

All of the above is in addition to existing bases, including a missile tracking station on Ascension Island in the Caribbean, housing up to 200 U.S. personnel, and Soto Cano in Palmerola, Honduras, which since 1984 has provided support for training and helicopter sorties. Furthermore, the United States has small military presences and property in Antigua, Peru, Colombia, Venezuela, and on Andros Island in the Bahamas. The U.S. military had used offices in Venezuela for more than 50 years but was evicted from the site in May 2004.

Guantánamo Bay Naval Station, which enjoys a lease with no termination date, serves as a logistics base for counterdrug operations and, increasingly, as an off-shore detention center.

The Pentagon is moving to shift much of the operation and maintenance of its military bases to private, for-profit contractors. For example, the Air Force contracted the operation of its Manta base to Dyncorp, and even “host-nation riders” who accompany military flights over Colombia are “outsourced” to a private U.S. military contractor.

FULL STORY (http://www.guerrillanews.com/war_on_drugs/doc5000.html)

I think it's important for all to read this to better understand the U.S. role as an imperialist nation in Latin America. Your thoughts?

--Paz

Colombia
7th August 2004, 03:33
Most of the nations in Latin America seem to have no problem with it.Anything that can help the governments in Latin America stay in power and prevent uprisings of any kind seem a-ok to them.

Guerrilla22
7th August 2004, 03:42
this is not new news, the US has been actively adding military bases throughout Colombia for years, to go along with its various CIA and DEA post, which it has established throughout Latin America. The Colombian government, obviously welcomes the US military presence in their country, however I highly doubt the Colombian people are to keen on it.

Also, the US Army's jungle warfare trainning center is located in Panama.

Colombia
7th August 2004, 03:49
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 03:42 AM
The Colombian government, obviously welcomes the US military presence in their country, however I highly doubt the Colombian people are to keen on it.


What makes you think so?I can't see many urban people complaining about it back in Colombia and the rural people would probably prefer this over guerilla occupation.

Guerrilla22
7th August 2004, 04:04
Oh yeah, I forgot. Most people love it when they have foreign soldiers on their soil. Especially foreign soldiers that arm and train murderous, right-wing, para-military groups and who constantly dump herbicide from planes on their crops.

Colombia
7th August 2004, 04:17
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 04:04 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot. Most people love it when they have foreign soldiers on their soil. Especially foreign soldiers that arm and train murderous, right-wing, para-military groups and who constantly dump herbicide from planes on their crops.
Herbicide?Ever heard of recon?If such events occured countless times the political backlash would be horrible for Alvaro Uribe.That sure is some opinion you got there.Those murderous military groups are off fighting the FARC and ELN.Both of which can be cited for countless atrocities to the Colombian people.

V.I.Lenin
7th August 2004, 04:18
Any country viewed as being socialist based,especially those nearest to the U.S. geographically will in all probability be set upon in the very near future.

The U.S. considers herself the proud defender of democratic capitalism and as such deems it their obligation to root out and destroy all remaining elements of the Communist creed and by this the overthrow of any socialist state and for this cause I see a gradual advancement of U.S. forces moving ever nearer to Cuba.

All the U.S. now needs is a pretext for military intervention and behold,the Cuban invasion is under way.

fernando
7th August 2004, 11:01
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 04:17 AM
Herbicide?Ever heard of recon?If such events occured countless times the political backlash would be horrible for Alvaro Uribe.That sure is some opinion you got there.Those murderous military groups are off fighting the FARC and ELN.Both of which can be cited for countless atrocities to the Colombian people.
And you are trying to say that right wing groups are all innocent, and that the Colombian government are a bunch of angels who dont kill innocents? The US are a bunch of innocents who try to help Latin America...protecting us from what? The Kremlin? Bin Laden? I'd rather die on my feet, serving ourselves, than to die on my feet serving some distant Yankee Imperialist!

What will happen if the Colombian government will turn more left wing and doesnt want the US there...what will you think will happen?

fernando
7th August 2004, 11:03
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 03:33 AM
Most of the nations in Latin America seem to have no problem with it.Anything that can help the governments in Latin America stay in power and prevent uprisings of any kind seem a-ok to them.
Yes Nations...those governments...and who are they? yes rich people, the small elite like the US...

Colombia
7th August 2004, 12:52
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 11:01 AM
And you are trying to say that right wing groups are all innocent, and that the Colombian government are a bunch of angels who dont kill innocents? The US are a bunch of innocents who try to help Latin America...protecting us from what? The Kremlin? Bin Laden? I'd rather die on my feet, serving ourselves, than to die on my feet serving some distant Yankee Imperialist!

What will happen if the Colombian government will turn more left wing and doesnt want the US there...what will you think will happen?
I'm not saying they are innocent.I'm just saying that I would much rather be controlled by a right wing group who have committed fewer crimes than the guerillas who clearly have no problem taking hostages and even bombing houses from people who actually have the guts to speak out against them.This is the best of what Colombia has to offer us.

Those damn Yankees are the ones who are supplying the Colombian military with arms.If anything I would much rather be using a M-16 given to us by a Yankees than some cheap AK-47 as an example.

Really while I agree that Colombia's government sucks do you think it can actually get better if the FARC were to take control?Not only would mass executions for people who are pro-government, but the legalization of cocaine.Do you think anyone wants that to happen?I know I don't.That is why I am content with what the US has done in Colombia only.

fernando
7th August 2004, 14:53
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 12:52 PM
I'm not saying they are innocent.I'm just saying that I would much rather be controlled by a right wing group who have committed fewer crimes than the guerillas who clearly have no problem taking hostages and even bombing houses from people who actually have the guts to speak out against them.This is the best of what Colombia has to offer us.

Those damn Yankees are the ones who are supplying the Colombian military with arms.If anything I would much rather be using a M-16 given to us by a Yankees than some cheap AK-47 as an example.

Really while I agree that Colombia's government sucks do you think it can actually get better if the FARC were to take control?Not only would mass executions for people who are pro-government, but the legalization of cocaine.Do you think anyone wants that to happen?I know I don't.That is why I am content with what the US has done in Colombia only.
And you think your government wont do the same when they have full power, union leaders will dissapear, people with left wing ideas will also dissapear. Maybe it will be as democratic as how Pinochet came to power in Chile

Colombian military and arms...M16's...everybody knows an AK47 jams up way less than a M16 and is more effective :rolleyes:

I dont think FARC should be in power, but also not the current government, new elections I say!

And uhm...where did you get the info that FARC would make cocaine legal if they were to come to power? Maybe that could be an idea, I mean the US wants to cocaine so bad, so they steal it, or get it true criminals, maybe cocaine should be nationalized and the Colombian government will decide how much a gram/kilo will cost.

Colombia
7th August 2004, 16:14
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 02:53 PM
And you think your government wont do the same when they have full power, union leaders will dissapear, people with left wing ideas will also dissapear. Maybe it will be as democratic as how Pinochet came to power in Chile

Colombian military and arms...M16's...everybody knows an AK47 jams up way less than a M16 and is more effective :rolleyes:

I dont think FARC should be in power, but also not the current government, new elections I say!

And uhm...where did you get the info that FARC would make cocaine legal if they were to come to power? Maybe that could be an idea, I mean the US wants to cocaine so bad, so they steal it, or get it true criminals, maybe cocaine should be nationalized and the Colombian government will decide how much a gram/kilo will cost.
If union leaders exist in Colombia today what makes you think it would possibly change once the guerillas were disbanded?What do union leaders have to do with the guerilla movement?

You don't get the point.What I meant was that the US gives weapons that are much better than the ones Colombia would be using if the US never got involved. :rolleyes:

Where do you think the FARC get all the money to maintain the uprising against the government?Where do you get that the US government wants the cocaine?

fernando
7th August 2004, 16:19
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 04:14 PM
If union leaders exist in Colombia today what makes you think it would possibly change once the guerillas were disbanded?What do union leaders have to do with the guerilla movement?

You don't get the point.What I meant was that the US gives weapons that are much better than the ones Colombia would be using if the US never got involved. :rolleyes:

Where do you think the FARC get all the money to maintain the uprising against the government?Where do you get that the US government wants the cocaine?
The US wants cocaine, because it is worth a lot of money ;)

The Union leader thing is that they are most of the time left wing, or at least have some sort of left wing element, these things are the first to be killed off when a right wing government comes to power.

Yes FARC might get their money from cocaine, but that does not mean they would legalize it after they would come to power, that is pure speculation on your hand ;)

Colombia
7th August 2004, 16:24
Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 04:19 PM
The US wants cocaine, because it is worth a lot of money ;)

The Union leader thing is that they are most of the time left wing, or at least have some sort of left wing element, these things are the first to be killed off when a right wing government comes to power.

Yes FARC might get their money from cocaine, but that does not mean they would legalize it after they would come to power, that is pure speculation on your hand ;)
Where is your source?

Colombia is currently a right wing power so why have the unions not been disbanded yet if they are with the left?

Common sense is more like it.

Colombia
7th August 2004, 16:44
Alright I just need to make something clear.When we are talking about right wing we are referring to groups such as the M-16 and AUC right?

fernando
7th August 2004, 18:36
Im only familiar with AUC, weren M-16 left wing? I read something, but that was a long time ago...or maybe Im mixing things up *sorry*

Colombia
8th August 2004, 01:42
Alright back to the topic.Answer my questions from before please.

Guerrilla22
8th August 2004, 01:51
Yes, I am refering to groups such as the AUC and Los Pepes (people persecuted by Pablo Escobar) when they were around. Los Pepes were headed by the same guy who was the head of the AUC (can't remember his name) but it also turned out that Los Pepes were not only being funded by the US and Colombian government, but also by the rival Cali cartel, in a sucessful attempt to wipe out the Medellin cartel.

Edit: If I remember correctly, the group's name was/is actually M-9 and they were /are in fact a left-wing orginization.

Colombia
8th August 2004, 20:37
If the US wanted the cocaine so bad why are they giving so much aid to the Colombian government?http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340831/

fernando
8th August 2004, 21:36
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 08:37 PM
If the US wanted the cocaine so bad why are they giving so much aid to the Colombian government?http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3340831/
Read this for example:

http://www.sumeria.net/politics/cia-coke.html
http://www.wsws.org/public_html/prioriss/iwb9-9/spotlt.htm
http://www.alexconstantine.50megs.com/the_bush_legacy.html

Colombia
8th August 2004, 23:57
Don't know what to say to this.Both our sources contradict each other.

Guerrilla22
9th August 2004, 00:02
The US government may have a deal with one or more certain cartels/groups as far as profit sharing and may be targeting the competition, under the guise of fighting the war on drugs. Just a thought.

fernando
9th August 2004, 09:55
Originally posted by [email protected] 8 2004, 11:57 PM
Don't know what to say to this.Both our sources contradict each other.
I think it's a two sided thing, on one hand the US government will try to stop the whole drug smuggling thing since they dont have profit from it, but when they can profit from it they will join in.