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Snitza
6th August 2004, 04:57
I should be in bed getting rested for work tomorrow, but while I was laying up there, under all my covers, in the dark, my mind wandered. I was suddenly struck by a few ideas all at once.

The first idea considered the contemporary condition of the American proletariat. Being the most advanced capitalist country on earth, coupled with economic imperialism, the United States has the highest living standards for all citizens, and the highest level of luxury. Even the proletariat lives well off historically, and compared to other places in the world. The U.S., with it's expansion of production to the 3rd-world, where labour-power comes extremely cheap, has done away with a good portion of the American working-class, leaving them out of jobs, though with many welfare and unemployment benefit programs to keep them at least living.

The fact that so little labour and production is actually put to use in the United States has resulted in the most reactionary working-class known to date. Most workers in America are extremely religious and patriotic, either as a result(or resulting in) a lack of education that higher classes in American society have. This is not surprising, however, as the working class has, hitherto, been the class that has the fewest and poorest educations.

Because the labour that the United States employs is so godamn cheap overseas, the surplus money can be spent to "buy off" the loyalty of the domestic proletariat into such conservative beliefs, and even extreme nationalism. More and more goods and material 'things' are made readily available to almost everyone in America, simply because there is enough money to go around. The point is, that people in America are kept wealthy and happy, at the expense of the exploited and, essentially raped peoples of foreign land, into which American companies are investing majorities of their production power.

If trends continue, I believe, we will eventually have very, very, very few workers left in America, as virtually all labour will be put to use in foreign endeavors. Other wealthy nations, such as the UK and Canada will follow this trend, of course.

Thus, while America grows richer and richer, and it's "poor" population shrinks, the rest of the world will grow poorer and poorer, digging themselves deeper into the desperation of exploitation.

The 3rd world is where the first truly(not Leninist)proletariat revolutions will occur. Once these revolutions happen, and start spreading throughout the industrialized and subsidized poor countries, and they become dictatorships of the working class, America will cease to grow. It will be forced into employing domestic labour, because the new "socialized" nations will trade amongst themselves, and refuse to help American juggernaut of capitalism. As the 3rd world revolutions CONTINUE to spread and grow, and as the 3rd world becomes a base of proletariat freedom, America will rely on itself more and more, giving birth to more and more generations of American working classes.

With no one left to exploit, all labour-power in the United States will be put to use, and the USA will be split yet again into class war. Having the backing of all the socialized nations of the world, the then (hopefully) revolutionary American working class will easily be able to overthrow the ruling classes of the then-industrialized America.

Once this occurs, and all national borders are stripped, the road to global communist society is opened, and easily tread upon. All resources become globalized, and proletariat dictatorship will shrink and shrink, as the working men and women of the world grow.

The world will, by this time, have accumulated enough capital and productional facilities to support everyone of the entire world. The 3rd world, having been industrialized through years of foreign investment from the advanced capitalist nations, will be ready to serve the people. The advanced capitalist nations, having been forced to industrialize themselves again, will have enough productional power to support everyone.

Eventually, any governing body left around will "wither away" as Engels put it. The free people of the world will run the world, with free and collective ownership of the means of production, of that produced, and of property all around.


I need sleep!

VukBZ2005
6th August 2004, 05:25
hmm...there is something wrong with your theory here -

(1)It's been commonly stated that the first Proletarian revolutions should
occur in the advance capitalist countries first. That is because they are more
capable to provide for everyone. And that the proletariat are more advanced
and the countries more fully industrialized. Then it would spread to the
third world countries...at least that's what i think at this time.

Snitza
6th August 2004, 06:42
Ah, but the term "advanced capitalist country" is warped. Because these third world countries have been SO industrialized, they ARE advanced, just not in the same way as the USA. The USA having propelled itself beyond domestic labour-production, has turned itself into a nation of capitalists and service-employees. Grey collar workers and white-collar workers. The USA, without so much production taking place inside itself, would NOT be able to provide for everyone. That's why the countries that have MORE means of production available would be better suited for revolution.

Being an advanced capitalist nation does not equal industrialization. The USA now is hardly industrial, its much more technilogical.

redstar2000
6th August 2004, 13:27
I think you have a very distorted view, both of "how many" productive workers there are in the U.S. and of "how wealthy" they really are.

It's true that a great many things that used to be "Made in U.S.A." are now manufactured in other countries -- particularly in the "third world" where labor is cheap by western standards.

But it's a fact that auto companies from Japan and Germany have both constructed factories in southern American states -- where labor is cheap by their standards.

It also needs to be kept in mind that a "service" is a commodity (in Marxist terms). The people that actually do the work in producing and distributing that service are just as exploited as an assembly-line worker...indeed, some have said that modern offices strongly resemble 19th century factories in terms of drudgery, long hours, and surprisingly low pay.

The pay is unlikely to improve as some services are even being relocated to other countries where English-speaking workers are available (India is a favorite choice).

To suggest that the "middle-class" standard of living of many workers means they have been "bought off" is also mistaken, in my view. I think that most working people who "look" "middle-class" are in debt up to their eyebrows...a down-size away from losing it all. "Downward mobility" will be, in my opinion, the fate of most 21st century American workers (and western workers in general).

The reason that American workers have been so "reactionary" in their views (patriotic, religious, etc.) is that they have been living for a long time in the most successful imperialist country in history.

No matter how grim their personal lives may be, they can comfort themselves with the mantra "I live in the greatest country on earth; its successes are my successes."

It's when the American "successes" turn sour that the American working class will turn radical. The official myth that "God has chosen America to rule the world" must be shattered on the streets of Kabul, Baghdad, Caracas and a hundred other places.

Then we will see a very different American working class than the one we are used to seeing.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

Misodoctakleidist
6th August 2004, 13:49
America doesn't have the highest standards of living, workers are muc better off in industrialised european countries than they are in America but are still much less reactionary.

VukBZ2005
6th August 2004, 18:54
Originally posted by [email protected] 6 2004, 01:27 PM
I think you have a very distorted view, both of "how many" productive workers there are in the U.S. and of "how wealthy" they really are.

It's true that a great many things that used to be "Made in U.S.A." are now manufactured in other countries -- particularly in the "third world" where labor is cheap by western standards.

But it's a fact that auto companies from Japan and Germany have both constructed factories in southern American states -- where labor is cheap by their standards.

It also needs to be kept in mind that a "service" is a commodity (in Marxist terms). The people that actually do the work in producing and distributing that service are just as exploited as an assembly-line worker...indeed, some have said that modern offices strongly resemble 19th century factories in terms of drudgery, long hours, and surprisingly low pay.

The pay is unlikely to improve as some services are even being relocated to other countries where English-speaking workers are available (India is a favorite choice).

To suggest that the "middle-class" standard of living of many workers means they have been "bought off" is also mistaken, in my view. I think that most working people who "look" "middle-class" are in debt up to their eyebrows...a down-size away from losing it all. "Downward mobility" will be, in my opinion, the fate of most 21st century American workers (and western workers in general).

The reason that American workers have been so "reactionary" in their views (patriotic, religious, etc.) is that they have been living for a long time in the most successful imperialist country in history.

No matter how grim their personal lives may be, they can comfort themselves with the mantra "I live in the greatest country on earth; its successes are my successes."

It's when the American "successes" turn sour that the American working class will turn radical. The official myth that "God has chosen America to rule the world" must be shattered on the streets of Kabul, Baghdad, Caracas and a hundred other places.

Then we will see a very different American working class than the one we are used to seeing.

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas
I agree with you redstar.