Will Communism ever be truly reborn?

[TupacAndChe4Eva]

I was just wondering what you all think about this.

In reality, Communism is dead. Yes there are small groups who are Communist, but what I mean is will it ever be truly reborn? Will it ever be able to challenge Capitalism as it once did?

[Colombia]

The simple answer is no.

[bunk]

with people with attitudes like that no.

[Comrade Mathew]

"seamos realistas,
exijamos lo imposible,
hasta la victoria siempre!"

who gives up the hope has already lost guys...... so yes
maybe if it will be reborn it will have changed... more fit for us imperfect humans... the way is not just to retry the same over and over.... thats how capitalism got so strong... it changed and changed... at the same time it changed the people of the capitalist nations.....

so lets not exercise what marx, lenin or who ever you like most said. See any of them alive/in power??? alright same here... so lets do OUR communism the communism of the present and the future NOT the communism of generations that already passed away!!!!

*edit communism is dead when its spirit dies... colombia in you it has died i think... so don't follow his example guys!!! hope might be our only weapon right now but it's one of the best around

[Pawn Power]

Of course! Capitalism is stronge now but eventually it will fall and we will advance into a more sophisticated socity. It is certain this will occure. :hammer:

[Louis Pio]

Well capitalism enters crisis which leads to mass unemployment etc. That of course creates anger among people. The point for communists is to tap into that anger so we can create a new society. Or else capitalism will at some point enter a boom once more, for example after a war as happened after WW2 or after periods of dictatorship.
Now if all people were like Colombia the answer would be no and then we could just lie down and die. Luckily that is not the case.

[__ca va?]

I'm afraid capitalism is too strong at the present, it maybe won't collapse in our lifetimes. :( But I'm stilll optimistic. I mean why not? History has proved many times that unexpected events can happen in any minute. You know it's like maybe in a week maybe in 20 years but I'm sure it'll happen! :D


seamos realistas,
exijamos lo imposible

:hammer:

[h&s]

I'm afraid capitalism is too strong at the present, it maybe won't collapse in our lifetimes. But I'm stilll optimistic. I mean why not? History has proved many times that unexpected events can happen in any minute. You know it's like maybe in a week maybe in 20 years but I'm sure it'll happen!
It could collapse at any time. Sure capitalism seems strong, but is it as strong as it was in the Reaganite and Thatcherite times of the '80s? Aren't we always hearing news of oil prices going up, or a possible collapse in housing prices? If both were to suddenly to happen at the same time, in their extremes, it would drastically damage capitalism.
However, I don't want capitalism to collapse for at least 10 years. I am too scared of the far right parties, like the BNP gaining from it at the moment. (And because I wouldn't be able to help if it happened today!)

[Manos]

It's curious to see that people who participate in this forum don't have faith that communism will be "reborn" as someone put it. It raises the question of why even participate in a forum or a discussion in an ideal you don't find to be plausible or practical? This is not asking that one should have some naive ambition as a requirement to discuss the merits of communism. No, in fact it really questions the intentions of the individual making such comments that choose to affiliate themselves with a group whose ideals they find ultimately feudal.

To answer the question of if Communism will ever "truly" exist again - my answer is that one can never know. Social movements are dynamic. Statistics and historical data do reflect certain patterns and movements but are also subjective to the events which they take place in. Capitalism is simply an idea, one which has developed its own identity and image through time -- giving it an importance to some that is just as literal and needed to sustain human life as oxygen. This why the idea of "Communism" ever being a tangible social movement is only secondary to the desire for people to self educate themselves on the history of all philisophical and political movements(not just communism!). Only a truly educated mass that chooses social change through understanding the philosophical construct and praxis which make up the ideas of the society they wish to achieve can ever bring any sort of long standing democratic social change - not simply following a group of people who have self designated themselves as the intellectuals of a revolution.

Is this achievable? One can't answer such questions with certainty. Some would like to take the philosophical highroad and say there are simply too many roadblocks in place for true Socialism to move through. I say to you this line of thinking is simply lazy and finds its solace in defeatism in the drags of being a "realist". Anyone who even studied the last 200 years of social movements can find numerous accounts of revolution lead by the masses. Some would also get caught up in an orthodox definition of "Marxism", dispelling any revolution which does not take place under the canons of Communism -- such people treat Marxism as their religion rather then as a developing philosophy or a tool which it's meant to be. Marxism is an idea as Capitalism is, their power is in direct correlation which the importance people give to them.

with respect
Manos.

[Subversive Pessimist]

I don't want capitalism to collapse for at least 10 years. I am too scared of the far right parties, like the BNP gaining from it at the moment. (And because I wouldn't be able to help if it happened today!)

Do you suppose it would be better in "at least" 10 years? :huh:

[MiniOswald]

H&S dont be afraid of the BNP gaining from it, if something that bad were to start happening we just gotta resort to a good ole nazi bashin. fancy a visit to a wrexham pub anyone?

[Knowledge 6 6 6]

i'm not sure how an equal or egalitarian state is to evolve out of a greed-driven capitalist state.

Someone fill me in on how this transition is supposed to happen...and how everyone is supposedly going to back this. I for one wont. I'm no communist at all, then again, I don't think capitalism is any better. They are both horrible ways of governance.

[Louis Pio]

i'm not sure how an equal or egalitarian state is to evolve out of a greed-driven capitalist state.

The main base for capitalist exploitation is the private ownership of the means of production. So the first point is to put it under workers (societys) control. Whether you like it or not. Then you have taken the base of exploitation away. You of course also need to ensure that an elite don't come forth. That means having things like direct recall from positions. Also people in positions should only make what the average worker means, so no priviliges. That's a good base to start from.

[h&s]

H&S dont be afraid of the BNP gaining from it, if something that bad were to start happening we just gotta resort to a good ole nazi bashin. fancy a visit to a wrexham pub anyone?

:D
Seriously though, I rekon that if capitalism were to collapse tomorrow the BNP would start saying stuff like "the asylum system has undermined our economy. Lets stop asylum forever," and people would just lap it up. Racism is too popular at the moment for us to be successful.

[rahul]

nonononononononononono!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


if communism dies -- then it have to reborn!

there is no death for c o m m u n i s m !!!

[YKTMX]

Originally posted by Knowledge 6 6 [email protected] 4 2004, 09:39 PM
They are both horrible ways of governance.
Communism isn't a way of governance.

[Monty Cantsin]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 06:06 PM
I was just wondering what you all think about this.

In reality, Communism is dead. Yes there are small groups who are Communist, but what I mean is will it ever be truly reborn? Will it ever be able to challenge Capitalism as it once did?
communism isnt dead, its just presented that way in the mainstream. In Australia We have the socialists alliance and the only time you ever hear about them is when you see the news and theirs been protest, the footage shows masses of people (depending on the event) carrying socialists alliance’s flags and banners. But for some reason they never get talked about in mainstream press. Bit of into on the socialist’s alliance is the only Australian wide Marxists organisation but it is multi-tendency, it has a lot of influence in universities and even some influence in trade unions. But its major activities are alternative press in the form of green left weekly, resistance magazine and protests such as anti war, anti sexism and anti racism and they seem to get involved with a lot of different disputes. and on its mebership numbers they have been going up ever since the 90s or so i've read (somewhere i can't remeber).

[Don't Change Your Name]

That depends on what's your definition of "Communism"