Karo de Perro's views on homosexuality

[Trissy]

Okay, I know that one topic here has already been closed on this issue, but since I was advised to reply here instead of in the initial 'Che's take on gays' thread then I shall repost this here...
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Homosexuals are fags by choice not by some genetic predisposition
Homosexuals are not 'fags' as you so kindly put it because faggot is a term of abuse used by homophobes to remind the gay community that they used to be burnt at the stake.

Plus as many people have pointed out, the idea that it is purely choice or purely genetic is still hotly debated. I personally think that it is a combination of 'nature and nurture', and so as such is a mixture of genes, upbringing and experiences, and choice.


...and for you to blame nature for some perverted sonofa***** wanting to suck dicks is NO better than religious idiots who blame the devil for the evil they bring on themselves
Erm...I don't exactly see what your argument is here. Are you trying to say that all oral sex is perverted (in which case then you'll gladly turn down any offers you are presented with), or that just oral sex between men is perverted (in which case please explain why it is perverted). I can't see any rational argument for the latter to be honest unless you take the Catholic stance of saying that anything outside of sex for procreation is a sin.


I couldnt care less what fags do in the privacy of their own perverted quarters
Why thank you&#33; <_< On behalf of all &#39;fags&#39; everywhere I&#39;d like to thank you for the right to do as we please in our own homes...hey maybe one day you&#39;ll let us vote or something&#33;

I still fail to understand on what ground homosexuals are perverted. The argument from nature is extreme and so flawed it&#39;s laughable. The only thing you can say is that all sex outside of vaginal intercourse without protection is perverse...and if it is perverse then how come so many people (heterosexual, bisexual, or homosexual) enjoy a wide range of sexual acts?


...but when they try to take it to the streets and want to push their agenda in everyones face thats when they step over the line
&#39;Their agenda&#39;? What agenda exactly? I&#39;m sorry but the only thing the gay community has ever asked for it equal rights, and to be fair this is no different from the requests of women, the disabled and racial minorities over the years. I think you&#39;ll find that the far right has had a more sinister agenda in the fact they still desire to remove homosexuality from the gene pool along with anything else they deem to be &#39;inferior&#39; to them. It would be clearly counter-productive for homosexuals to desire to repress or destroy all hetrosexuals.


I dont go around talkin of all the ****s Ive poked and I damn sure dont want to hear some fag braggin about sucking dicks&#33;
Wow...you make sex sound so romantic and pleasant&#33; <_< Have you not heard of a thing called &#39;love&#39; or &#39;affection&#39;? Are you someone who says &#39;fancy a shag/f**k?&#39;? I also wasn&#39;t aware that the gay rights movement made advances through bragging about sexual activities....I think it&#39;s more of a case that you get arrogant men who are gay just like you find that arrogant straight men. I don&#39;t think it&#39;s fair to tarnish everyone with one brush.


Most likely this post will be deleted by the homo-squad
:angry: You&#39;ll regret saying that my friend&#33; Dispatch the homo-squad at the double&#33; Their orders are to corrupt this individual into commiting perverted acts and if he resists then have him shot&#33; We cannot allow our secret plan of global domination to be threatened by this clearly clever and outstanding person&#33;&#33;&#33;

:ph34r:

[Guerrilla22]

I think after the last post, everyone on this site, with the exception of a few misguided souls, now believes that Karo is a homophobe and on top of that, a dumbass.

[Trissy]

In responce to the new posts on this topic by Karo de Perro
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Firstly ... tell me - are people born to be celibate? ... is a person born with a fetish for porno,etc? ... is a person born to be a thief,liar or murderer? ... are people born to be democrats,republicans,capitalists,communists? ... is a person born to be a lawyer,doctor,fireman,etc? ... NO&#33; ... these are all choices made by the individual ... and so is homosexuality a matter of personal choice.
But a choice that cannot be made without a prior experience of something. I may be more inclined to be homosexual due to my genes but if I grow up in a very homophobic society then I may never consider the idea of acting upon an instinct or inluence. I&#39;ll grant you that I make a choice but I fail to see how either side can claim that something is completely genetic or completely personal choice. If I have no prior experience of leather then how can I choose to have a fetish for it? If my biological makeup means that I find sex extremely painful then how can I choose to enjoy it? Surely it is a very complicated mixture of the two?


This is one of the main contributors of peoples rejection of gays - the fact that they and their liberal supporters try to pass their choice(and thus their responsibility)off as a fluke of nature rather than simply owning up to the fact that they re homosexuals by choice ... this blatant deception on their part is merely one more example of people living an inauthentic life
I think you&#39;ll find heterosexual people who argue that homosexuality is genetic as well. Following this logic they must also think that heterosexuality is genetic...and so does that also make them &#39;inauthentic&#39;?


Apparently some people are eating one another - the fags&#33;

Please stop using the term &#39;fag&#39; because personally I find it quite offensive for people to refer to the ancient practise of burning gay people to death at the stake. Do you think I would be allowed to refer to Jews as &#39;Gasies&#39; in reference to the death camps? No&#33;

I don&#39;t mind you being against homosexuals (provided I can question your reasons for your views) but what I do mind is people using terms of abuse. There is little call for it.


hell theres nothing more vile than a person who betrays his own sexuality and then lies in an effort to justify his perverson by means of genetics
You haven&#39;t explained why it is a perversion yet. Please explain why your sexuality is superior to mine...


Having responded to Redstar2000s post I will close this post with a reaffirmation of the truth - people are as they are in matters of sexual orientation solely by means of personal choice
I don&#39;t deny the element of choice within the makeup of sexuality, but I still see no reason to ignore genetics entirely. If you think this is the truth then fine, I shall question you on it....what I worry about more is your view that homosexuality is a &#39;perversion&#39;.


but when one opens up such a topic then they should be mature enough to deal with the sure negativities that are bound to arise
True, I admit this...what I still struggle with is the fact that someone makes a statement of &#39;truth&#39; without a clear expression of why it is the truth. If homosexuality is a perversion then why is it a perversion?


Damn right it was in a serious context and damn straight I said lying fag and by this I had NO intentions of slurring any person who prefers their own gender and haply admits that this was a matter of CHOICE for them but rather was used to denote those &#39;lying fags&#39; who spread bullshit about them being born homosexual ... what I appreciate is truth regardless who speaks it
The use of the word &#39;fag&#39; is a slur&#33; How else can it be seen?


for a person to lie about a thing such as their sexual orientation wuuld suggest that they are inwardly ashamed of the choice they made
All it implies is that they are scared of the consequences of owning up to one&#39;s sexuality. I&#39;m sure if you lived in a society where a fair amount of people either wanted you dead or thought that you were &#39;unnatural&#39; or &#39;wicked&#39; or &#39;inferior&#39; then you might be a tad scared.


I myself knew a man who was married with children and suddenly he began a relationship with another man,they both died of AIDS but thats not the
And it couldn&#39;t just be that he was aware of his attraction to men prior to his getting a wife and kids, and that he just couldn&#39;t (whether out of choice or through experience) bring himself to admit that he was gay?


there have been many cases where people who had been long-time homosexuals which did in fact leave this life-style and CHOSE to live as heterosexuals
I hate to generalise but these people tend to be quite religious to begin with and they view their original sexiality as a sin. I haven&#39;t heard of any happy person (whether heterosexual or homosexual) switching their sexuality.


As for my being a socialist ... of course Im a socialist and a radical as well ... and as for hinting toward the idea that by my pointing out the inauthentity of people who wish to accuse nature and genetics as being the cause of their sexual orientation then by this I somehow have betrayed socialism - bullshit&#33;

I think you find that the strong defenders of the materialist branch of Marxism will deny that we are free and the we have freewill. In that sense people who argue that homosexuality is genetic aren&#39;t liars or weak...they&#39;re true materialists&#33; I&#39;m not a materialist myself and I don&#39;t hold the view that our actions are determined either...but socialism does not mean that you HAVE to see homosexuality as a choice. Under the strict materialist interpretation of Marxism then you&#39;re counter-revolutionary :S


As far as homosexuality goes Im tellin each and everyone that may read this post in no uncertain terms that &#39;All forms of leisure sex is worthless&#39; ... in this regard homosexuality is NO more wrong than recreational sex among heterosexuals and for this cause NO whore or whore-hopper has the right to criticize a single homosexual ... and thats just the way the fuckin cookie crumbles&#33;

Then why do you refer to homosexuality as a perversion?


People are homosexuals in such great quantity today for the same reason theres so much teen and even pre-teen sex ... because they re all a bunch of candy-ass shits that dont possess enough will-power to keep their ass covered for two days runnin,jumpin in and out of bed with whoever will oblige them ... and all this because of a sorry mother-fuckin low-down do-nothing government that allows the libertines to rule legislation and the judicial system.
Erm...or we could say that society influences these people and that they make a choice then&#33; We could say their genes influence them as well, and that they then make a choice. What I don&#39;t like is the idea that they somehow make the &#39;wrong&#39; choice...


... and by considering the idea that I was vanquished to this &#39;Opposing Ideologies&#39; Siberia it would seem that Stalinism is alive and well at this site ... Stalin betrayed socialism and anyone that would designate a once member as a &#39;restricted member&#39; ... to use their site-function as a means to lash out at fellow socialists rather than debate or discuss the issues ... then such people are as much self-made bastards as Stalin the betrayer
I think you were restricted for your use of the word &#39;fag&#39; and not necessarily your views. We have no problem discussing things here like mature adults as long as people don&#39;t descend into insults or dogmatism.

[Y2A]

He has the right to feel anyway he want&#39;s about gays. What&#39;s this obsession with trying to change people&#39;s opinions? Why can&#39;t you see that you can&#39;t change them?

[Karo de Perro]

Before I address the initial post of this thread I will take this opportunity to respond to the &#39;closed thread&#39; ...


Comrade RAF - "I will leave this topic here as evidence to support why this archaic kid "karo de perro" should be immediately banned from this site.

I will close it however due to its degredation into spam posts." ...

Whether Karo is banned or not I would like to point out the fact that someone in their 40s is NOT a kid,archaic or otherwise&#33;

Hell,simply because the majority at this site are kids doesnt mean that everyone at this site is a kid ... I was brought up in the 1960s and have lived,loved and forgotten more shit than the biggest portion at this site has even had sufficient time to remotely consider.

As for archaic ... hell yes I employ psuedonyms online and so does most all people in order to cloak their true identity ... besides even Ulinov and Bronstein came to be known for their psuedonyms or havent you ever heard of Lenin and Trotsky?

Tell me ... is Comrade RAF your birth-name? ... no? ... then dont assume to criticize others as being archaic when you yourself are just as protective of your real name.

In regards to Trissys post ... I see no cause to touch upon your comments point by point ... rather I ll sum up such matters by saying once again that I couldnt care less what homosexuals do in private but when people open up the topic of homosexuality then they should be mature enough to deal with the negativities that are bound to arise.

I myself am a heterosexual but what the fuck does that have to do with one making the efforts to address socialist issues? ... my sexuality shouldnt be a problem for others no more than the sexual orientation of others doesnt mean fuck to me ... besides,I thought this was a socio-political site ... not some romance site for the lonely and broken-hearted&#33;

If contrary views and opinions are not welcome at this site then why not simply post your fuckin libertine articles as locked subjects in order to safeguard against anyone presenting an opposing stance?&#33; ...

Apparently this site is nothing more than a libertine base cloaking its true identity under the facade of being Marxist,communist,socialist,etc., ... just a shit-hole for retrobate teens and morally corrupt liberal cowards who post their degenerative rhetoric to be applauded by all their yes-men ... nothing more than a mutual ass-kissin site for silly little fuckers who possess neither integrity nor common sense.

[The Sloth]

Originally posted by Karo de [email protected] 1 2004, 11:22 PM
Before I address the initial post of this thread I will take this opportunity to respond to the &#39;closed thread&#39; ...


Comrade RAF - "I will leave this topic here as evidence to support why this archaic kid "karo de perro" should be immediately banned from this site.

I will close it however due to its degredation into spam posts." ...

Whether Karo is banned or not I would like to point out the fact that someone in their 40s is NOT a kid,archaic or otherwise&#33;

Hell,simply because the majority at this site are kids doesnt mean that everyone at this site is a kid ... I was brought up in the 1960s and have lived,loved and forgotten more shit than the biggest portion at this site has even had sufficient time to remotely consider.

As for archaic ... hell yes I employ psuedonyms online and so does most all people in order to cloak their true identity ... besides even Ulinov and Bronstein came to be known for their psuedonyms or havent you ever heard of Lenin and Trotsky?

Tell me ... is Comrade RAF your birth-name? ... no? ... then dont assume to criticize others as being archaic when you yourself are just as protective of your real name.

In regards to Trissys post ... I see no cause to touch upon your comments point by point ... rather I ll sum up such matters by saying once again that I couldnt care less what homosexuals do in private but when people open up the topic of homosexuality then they should be mature enough to deal with the negativities that are bound to arise.

I myself am a heterosexual but what the fuck does that have to do with one making the efforts to address socialist issues? ... my sexuality shouldnt be a problem for others no more than the sexual orientation of others doesnt mean fuck to me ... besides,I thought this was a socio-political site ... not some romance site for the lonely and broken-hearted&#33;

If contrary views and opinions are not welcome at this site then why not simply post your fuckin libertine articles as locked subjects in order to safeguard against anyone presenting an opposing stance?&#33; ...

Apparently this site is nothing more than a libertine base cloaking its true identity under the facade of being Marxist,communist,socialist,etc., ... just a shit-hole for retrobate teens and morally corrupt liberal cowards who post their degenerative rhetoric to be applauded by all their yes-men ... nothing more than a mutual ass-kissin site for silly little fuckers who possess neither integrity nor common sense.
I like the prose, but from what I can see, you&#39;re still an idiot.

Your opinions are not welcomed on this site, but they&#39;re tolerated. But, of course, when your opinions are not only regressive but also offensive, then I don&#39;t see why anyone has to tolerate them.

If you can justify being offensive within your context, then go ahead. If you can&#39;t, then desist.

[Vinny Rafarino]

As for archaic ... hell yes I employ psuedonyms online and so does most all people in order to cloak their true identity ... besides even Ulinov and Bronstein came to be known for their psuedonyms or havent you ever heard of Lenin and Trotsky?

Tell me ... is Comrade RAF your birth-name? ... no? ... then dont assume to criticize others as being archaic when you yourself are just as protective of your real name

for someone in their fortys, you sure are confused about the meaning of the word "archaic".

I think the word you were looking for was "cryptic".

I used archaic as an adjective discribing your primative view of homosexuality.


I myself am a heterosexual

Of course you are dear; I&#39;m sure you&#39;re quite heterosexual indeed.

That is of course if you dismiss all of those hot steamy nights with several prominent menbers of your local town.

But hey, I&#39;m sure you really needed the money right? I mean if you suck a few cocks to make ends meet you&#39;re not really gay are you?

You cats are too easy to spot. I&#39;ve noticed in all my years that the ones who adamantly campaign against homosexuals are the ones wanking off to their private stash of gay porn and are taking it several times a night in one of the back restroom stalls of one of the gay bars in the next county.

You just love the "Rough Trade" don&#39;t you?

[Xvall]

What&#39;s this obsession with trying to change people&#39;s opinions? Why can&#39;t you see that you can&#39;t change them?

If you actually believed this, than why are you, Capitalist Imperial, Professor Moneybags and the like here? Isn&#39;t that what you guys are trying to do? Tell us that our ideological beliefs are incorrect and that we should change them?

[Karo de Perro]

Comrade RAF - "Of course you are dear; I&#39;m sure you&#39;re quite heterosexual indeed.

That is of course if you dismiss all of those hot steamy nights with several prominent menbers of your local town.

But hey, I&#39;m sure you really needed the money right? I mean if you suck a few cocks to make ends meet you&#39;re not really gay are you?

You cats are too easy to spot. I&#39;ve noticed in all my years that the ones who adamantly campaign against homosexuals are the ones wanking off to their private stash of gay porn and are taking it several times a night in one of the back restroom stalls of one of the gay bars in the next county.

You just love the "Rough Trade" don&#39;t you?" ...


Look here you sick,twisted motherfucker if you were of age and within reach I d make you eat those fuckin words you slimy worthless sonofa*****&#33;

As I said in my posts - I am a heterosexual and as for my sexual orientation - this is my concern and mine alone ... I dont have to go about spouting off the fact that I dont dip my stick in shit ... and as if its anyones concern I possess an iron-will and by this exercise self-control ... something you stupid bastards have no idea of&#33;

You may indeed visit gay bars and get rimmed every chance you can but dont fuckin assume you ll project your own perverted psyche onto others you ignorant sonofa*****.

If you cant,and its apparent that you cant,make a sensible accessment of facts and by this make valid points to back your libertine views then why fuckin waste others time with your petty nonsense and fucked-up slurs concerning someone you havent met and have NO way of knowing ... hell,if you possessed any discerment at all then you d realize just how fuckin stupid you are and would take sufficient steps to keep others from knowing just how stupid you are.

[refuse_resist]

Originally posted by [email protected] 1 2004, 11:05 PM
I think after the last post, everyone on this site, with the exception of a few misguided souls, now believes that Karo is a homophobe and on top of that, a dumbass.
Seriously. Those comments he made on that one other thread were very reactionary.

[redstar2000]

One does not really "discuss" or "debate" matters with stone-age brains like Karo. But that doesn&#39;t mean there&#39;s not something to be learned from examining his posts...in the same sense as a pathologist hopes to learn something about cancer by examining diseased tissue samples.


Is not one of the tenets of socialism the idea of productivity? - Damn Right it is&#33; ... so tell me, is such productivity to be confined to labor and social contribution? ...doesnt this likewise suggest productivity in the natural order as well? And by this I mean the coupling of two people in such a manner that offspring is produced.

So homosexuality is "un-socialist" because it is "unproductive"...it can&#39;t lead to offspring.

The consequence of this view is that socialism-Karo-style would presumably ban contraceptives and abortion on the grounds of "unproductivity".

I trust those of you inclined towards "liberation theology" won&#39;t overlook this "wonderful argument"...here&#39;s a "socialism" that the Pope could embrace.


Im tellin each and everyone that may read this post in no uncertain terms that &#39;All forms of leisure sex is worthless&#39; ... in this regard homosexuality is NO more wrong than recreational sex among heterosexuals and for this cause NO whore or whore-hopper has the right to criticize a single homosexual ... and thats just the way the fuckin cookie crumbles&#33;

As you can see from this example, all forms of puritanism lead to madness.

Imagine a "socialist society" governed by people like Karo. :o :o :o

Karo hates the idea of sex for pleasure with such vehemence that it&#39;s difficult to avoid the conclusion that he&#39;s a 40+ virgin who has never attracted even one women (or man) to his bed. If true, that is certainly very sad. :(

Perhaps a professional sex therapist could help.


People are homosexuals in such great quantity today for the same reason theres so much teen and even pre-teen sex ... because they&#39;re all a bunch of candy-ass shits that dont possess enough will-power to keep their ass covered for two days runnin, jumpin in and out of bed with whoever will oblige them ... and all this because of a sorry mother-fuckin low-down do-nothing government that allows the libertines to rule legislation and the judicial system.

The puritan, H.L. Mencken once said, is one who is haunted by the knowledge that somewhere someone else is having a good time.

It&#39;s too bad Mencken never read Karo. I doubt if there was anything in his time that would match Karo&#39;s venomous attack on the "libertines".

Karo burns with a raging lust to see a government that would punish the libertines for their "lack of will-power".

But he&#39;s shit out of luck...even Iran and "Saudi" Arabia are pits of sexual iniquity by his standards. They punish...but not enough&#33;


..."it would seem that Stalinism is alive and well at this site..."

A common accusation by those who find a less than welcoming reception to their views here.

It&#39;s interesting, though, that Karo accuses us of "Stalinism"...as Uncle Joe was a rather puritanical chap himself.

Not up to Karo&#39;s standards, of course. :lol:

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[Vinny Rafarino]

Look here you sick,twisted motherfucker if you were of age and within reach I d make you eat those fuckin words you slimy worthless sonofa*****&#33;

I was of age in the early eightees dearest.

I am going to have to decline your obvious attempt to get a date with me as I, unlike yourself, dig chicks.

I&#39;m sure your rage turns to less than manly "sqeals of delight" once you feel those leather straps carressing your arse. You&#39;re not fooling anyone, Trade.




As I said in my posts - I am a heterosexual and as for my sexual orientation - this is my concern and mine alone ... I dont have to go about spouting off the fact that I dont dip my stick in shit ... and as if its anyones concern I possess an iron-will and by this exercise self-control ... something you stupid bastards have no idea of&#33;

You may indeed visit gay bars and get rimmed every chance you can but dont fuckin assume you ll project your own perverted psyche onto others you ignorant sonofa*****.

If you cant,and its apparent that you cant,make a sensible accessment of facts and by this make valid points to back your libertine views then why fuckin waste others time with your petty nonsense and fucked-up slurs concerning someone you havent met and have NO way of knowing ... hell,if you possessed any discerment at all then you d realize just how fuckin stupid you are and would take sufficient steps to keep others from knowing just how stupid you are.


:lol: Are you sure you said you were heterosexual? Because you do indeed possess traits typical of those that are just crying to be let out of the closet.

Come on out sister&#33; Bust those doors down&#33;

[Guerrilla22]

Suggsetions for Karo:

1. Go back to school 2. Quit going off on rants about nothing at all 3. Stop threatning people over the internet, it just makes you seem that much more silly.

[Karo de Perro]

Firstly,I shall hencemore address Comrade RAFs posts in that hes apparently a senseless twit undeserving of my attention ... hes nothing more than a deranged maggot and just so much shit on a flies ass in my files.

Now,to Redstar2000 and his comments most of which seems to be an attempt to flatter me but I really dont care for brown-nosers.

There is one point however that I d like to point out,mainly this ... "Karo hates the idea of sex for pleasure with such vehemence that it&#39;s difficult to avoid the conclusion that he&#39;s a 40+ virgin who has never attracted even one women (or man) to his bed. If true, that is certainly very sad." ...

Karo loves the scent,touch,taste and feel of a woman,only I prefer not to engage in behaviors which ultimately tend to scar and bruise the psyche of women who long for a long-lasting relationship and the constant attention that Im not willing to give.

Recreational sex is by no means a harmless endeavor in that one person may be too emotionally unstable to leave the brief affair to one night only and choose rather to become self-deluded with the idea that this person which pleased them is as much in love with them as they think themself to be in love with that person ... and when such a person is forced to see things as they really are then oftentimes this leads to extreme self-debasement and in many cases suicide ... and all this for a quick fuck&#33;

As for the viginity remark ... I became sexually active as a teenager and have been married twice ... [both times to a woman ... in case that dumbfuck Comrade RAF wishes to spout out some more of his imbecilic stupidity].

Now,to address this homosexuality shit once again in regards to whether its nature or nurture,etc ... what I have tried again and again to stress is the fact that homosexuality is NOT the sole result of genetics and thus not of nature in this respect ...

However,homosexuality is resultant of a combination of nature and nurture,this cannot rightly be denied in that conditioning is a very strong determinant in human behaviorism ...

By this do I wish to imply that homosexuality is natural? - Hell Yes&#33; ... for by nature we re all beasts ... being human takes effort.

[Vinny Rafarino]

Karo loves the scent,touch,taste and feel of a woman

I&#39;m sure you do; as long as they also have a penis.



became sexually active as a teenager and have been married twice ... [both times to a woman

I&#39;m quite sure one of those relationships would have lasted longer if either of them came equipped a penis. Perhaps you should go the "chicks with dicks" route, there are plenty of great looking transexuals that you can parade around as your "wife" that will satisfy your obvious need for cock.

Come on sister, we will accept you for who you are.


for by nature we re all beasts

Yes let it out girl&#33; You are a beast&#33; A big burly beast that needs his daddy&#33;

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I think Karo should get aquainted with The Anarchist Tension. :)

[Karo de Perro]

MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr - "I think Karo should get aquainted with The Anarchist Tension. " ...


and I think if youre a supporter of the libertines then you should NOT employ Comrade Lenins portrait as an avatar&#33;

[Trissy]

He has the right to feel anyway he want&#39;s about gays. What&#39;s this obsession with trying to change people&#39;s opinions? Why can&#39;t you see that you can&#39;t change them?
Of course he has the right to feel any way he wants about gays. All I&#39;m asking him to do is explain his reasons for it because I&#39;m sure he has reasons for them. I don&#39;t desire to change anyone&#39;s opinions and I&#39;m aware that you cannot impose views on people against their will. All I want is an explanation and possibley a few answers to any questions I should ask...it&#39;s to aid me in my ignorance of the position more then anything.


In regards to Trissys post ... I see no cause to touch upon your comments point by point
I appreciate the responce (and the fact you didn&#39;t use the word &#39;fag&#39; this time) but I still would like you to address an issues that I feel you have not responded to....namely why homosexuality is a perversion.


I myself am a heterosexual but what the fuck does that have to do with one making the efforts to address socialist issues? ... my sexuality shouldnt be a problem for others no more than the sexual orientation of others doesnt mean fuck to me ... besides,I thought this was a socio-political site ... not some romance site for the lonely and broken-hearted&#33;

Your sexuality has no bearing on socialist issues, but you should understand that holding a view that homosexuality is a perversion is dangerous because the next step is to say that it is inferior and the final solution to inferiority has been shown on many occasions by the forces of the far right. You&#39;re free to have whatever views you want about gay people and I don&#39;t desire to take that right away from you in the slightest. What I do think though is that when it comes to rational debate on the issue I don&#39;t think we can argue that it is inferior or unnatural without giving ground to the far right. I hold many views myself which aren&#39;t that rational (such as a hatred of cress) but I never state it as something that is factual, rather they shall forever remain mere opinions.


If contrary views and opinions are not welcome at this site then why not simply post your fuckin libertine articles as locked subjects in order to safeguard against anyone presenting an opposing stance?&#33; ...

I personally welcome debate with people who hold opposing views to my own, provided they can show me what the basis for their argument is. They are free to question my reasoning, and I shall question theirs.


Now,to address this homosexuality shit once again in regards to whether its nature or nurture,etc ... what I have tried again and again to stress is the fact that homosexuality is NOT the sole result of genetics and thus not of nature in this respect ...
But can&#39;t the same thing then be argued of heterosexuality? If heterosexuality is just an instinct/urge that can be ignored then isn&#39;t it just as unnatural? At the risk of getting into another debate about Sartre and Existentialism, I&#39;m prepared to argue against any type of &#39;human nature&#39; that determines our actions, and instead propose only instincts and urges that influence (but do not determine) our actions. I&#39;d say that human consciousness is what seperates us from our past with the animals.


By this do I wish to imply that homosexuality is natural? - Hell Yes&#33; ... for by nature we re all beasts ... being human takes effort.

The last part sounds a bit cryptic to me...what exactly do you mean? :huh: Is this implying that homosexuality is a perversion again?

Personally, all I see is people who are human, all too human.

[Ian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 2 2004, 12:39 PM
he&#39;s a 40+ virgin who has never attracted even one women (or man) to his bed. If true, that is certainly very sad. :(

Why should this matter on a left-wing forum?

[Osman Ghazi]

Why should this matter on a left-wing forum?

Well, as you know, us &#39;libertines&#39; consider ourselves to be lady&#39;s men and man&#39;s women and well... we&#39;re good at getting people to with us.

Karo would shatter the image, which is why he should be banned. :lol:

[synthesis]

Something I&#39;d like to see justified is WHY anyone would actually CHOOSE to be gay in a society like ours, in which the vast majority of the population shares the exact same fanatically bigoted anti-gay views as Karo de Perro.

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I think Karo de Perro should get his reactionary keister over to this site (http://godhatesfags.com)

[Karo de Perro]

Trissy - "I appreciate the responce (and the fact you didn&#39;t use the word &#39;fag&#39; this time) but I still would like you to address an issues that I feel you have not responded to....namely why homosexuality is a perversion." ...

First,the definition of &#39;perverse&#39; and by extention of this &#39;perversion&#39; - &#39;deviating from what is considered right or acceptable,persisting in error,stubbornly contrary ... any sexual behavior considered to be abnormal&#39;.

By this definition from Websters one can rightly say that homosexuality is a perversion in that it divates from what is accepted as right(or wholesome behavior)in sexual relations.

Let us consider the implications of this idea of the abnormality of homosexual tendencies ... mainly this,were all human beings to suddenly crave exclusively their own gender then mankind would fail to reproduce which would lead to the extinction of the human species ... thus,if all people cannot rightly practice this form of sexual behavior then NOT one should be allowed to practice it&#33;

The only consistent argument that fags can offer is this liberalistic notion of individual freedoms,however,all such bullshit is nothing more than petty bourgeois individualism in the extreme and by this you fuckin libertines can NEVER rightly claim to be either Marxists or socialists.

So why dont you libertines take full hold of capitalism in that youre fuckin individualists and as such your every fiber is permeated with the same shitflow that fuels imperialism ... enough of your fuckin petty whinning and attempts to cling to self-absorption while at the same time desiring for true socialists to recognize you as something youre not ... youre nothing but silly little spoiled fuckers who want to play politics ... nothin but whinners and cowards the lot of you&#33;


MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr - "I think Karo de Perro should get his reactionary keister over to this site" ...

I tried the site link but the navigation was canceled ... if you like you can post the link again ...

[synthesis]

The fact that the majority of the world shares KdP&#39;s absolutely ludicrous views on homosexuality dims my optimism for the future more than a little bit.

[Louis Pio]

By this definition from Websters one can rightly say that homosexuality is a perversion in that it divates from what is accepted as right(or wholesome behavior)in sexual relations.


Yep let&#39;s bow down to puritan views and prejudice. That&#39;s what your advocating.


The only consistent argument that fags can offer is this liberalistic notion of individual freedoms,however,all such bullshit is nothing more than petty bourgeois individualism in the extreme and by this you fuckin libertines can NEVER rightly claim to be either Marxists or socialists.


Neither can you claim to have any base for your hate in marxism.


Let us consider the implications of this idea of the abnormality of homosexual tendencies ... mainly this,were all human beings to suddenly crave exclusively their own gender then mankind would fail to reproduce which would lead to the extinction of the human species ... thus,if all people cannot rightly practice this form of sexual behavior then NOT one should be allowed to practice it&#33;


Abstract and absurd. But it probably comes from your view that people choose homosexuality. Realitycheck, they don&#39;t&#33; But because of hate from guys like you some hide it. Some peopla are gay and some ain&#39;t. Learn to deal with it and use your time fighting capitalism instead. Together with your comrades, gay or not.

[BuyOurEverything]

First,the definition of &#39;perverse&#39; and by extention of this &#39;perversion&#39; - &#39;deviating from what is considered right or acceptable,persisting in error,stubbornly contrary ... any sexual behavior considered to be abnormal&#39;.

By this definition from Websters one can rightly say that homosexuality is a perversion in that it divates from what is accepted as right(or wholesome behavior)in sexual relations.


If you&#39;re using that definition of the word to label homosexuality &#39;perverse,&#39; surely you shouldn&#39;t stop there. After all, don&#39;t your political views &#39;deviate from what is normal or acceptable&#39;? Hell, according to Websters, you are a perverse individual.

And as for that url, it&#39;s www.godhatesfags.com (http://www.godhatesfags.com)

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He has the right to feel anyway he want&#39;s about gays. What&#39;s this obsession with trying to change people&#39;s opinions? Why can&#39;t you see that you can&#39;t change them?


That&#39;s ridiculous. If that were true, there would be no point of discussion of any kind. People&#39;s opinions change all the time, often when their old opinions are shown to be invalid, how can you deny this?

[Karo de Perro]

BuyOurEverything - "That&#39;s ridiculous. If that were true, there would be no point of discussion of any kind. People&#39;s opinions change all the time, often when their old opinions are shown to be invalid, how can you deny this?" ...


That would make a fuckin cat laugh&#33;

Why not try peaching this idea of mutual discussion to the administrators and moderators here at this site who take every opportunity to censor,delete and ban rather than allow any views which may be contrary to their own&#33;

Heres the catch that these morons apparently havent deduced for themselves ... everytime they attempt to censor someone such as I they merely expose their own inferior mentality and cowadice ... in their efforts to play power-brokers at this site they in effect display the horrible doubts they possess in their ideologies as well as in themselves&#33;

They re nothin more than petty weakings of the worst sort hiding behind their computers and tryin to pass themselves off as something they havent the courage to be&#33;

In the spectrum of competing ideologies they have neither the talent nor ability to take the field ... thus they are confined to peddling worn-out libertine rhethoric and playing god with their power of the message boards.

Again,if you want to advise someone concerning the idea of open dialogue and discussion then I suggest you speak with the local KGB at this site.

[Louis Pio]

They re nothin more than petty weakings of the worst sort hiding behind their computers and tryin to pass themselves off as something they havent the courage to be&#33;


And you are nothing more than a nutcase with a psychotic hatred towards homosexuals for some reason.

[BuyOurEverything]

KdP: Why don&#39;t you reply to the part of my post that was actually directed at you?

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

They re nothin more than petty weakings of the worst sort hiding behind their computers and tryin to pass themselves off as something they havent the courage to be&#33;

Wow, you are so masculine and hardcore&#33; We should all be just like Karo&#33;


Why not try peaching this idea of mutual discussion to the administrators and moderators here at this site who take every opportunity to censor,delete and ban rather than allow any views which may be contrary to their own

SILENCE WITH YOUR LIBERTINE LIBERAL RAMBLINGS&#33;&#33; *Foams at the mouth*


Heres the catch that these morons apparently havent deduced for themselves ... everytime they attempt to censor someone such as I they merely expose their own inferior mentality and cowadice ... in their efforts to play power-brokers at this site they in effect display the horrible doubts they possess in their ideologies as well as in themselves&#33;

YAR&#33; Im so hardcore&#33; Phear my internet posting bravery. Bow before me cowards for I have the superior mentality&#33;

[redstar2000]

It ain&#39;t a matter of "choice"...


The study does not determine a cause of the correlation between homosexuality and having older brothers. However, there is growing evidence in other research that it may be pre-natal in nature, based on findings that gay men with older brothers tend to weigh less at birth than straight men with older brothers.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/...20528074252.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/05/020528074252.htm)


"It’s quite possible that sexual identity and physical attraction is ‘hard-wired’ by the brain," he said. "If we accept this concept, we must dismiss the myth that homosexuality is a ‘choice’ and examine our civil legal system accordingly."

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/...31022062408.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/031022062408.htm)


Bailey&#39;s main research focus has been on the genetics and environment of sexual orientation, and he is one of the principal investigators of a widely cited study that concludes that genes influence male homosexuality...

Men&#39;s specific pattern of sexual arousal is such a reliable fact that genital arousal can be used to assess men&#39;s sexual preferences. Even gay men who deny their own homosexuality will become more sexually aroused by male sexual stimuli than by female stimuli.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/...30613075252.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/06/030613075252.htm)


The importance of these results lies in their theoretical implications. Handedness is determined early in development -- probably before birth. Therefore, the correlation of handedness and sexual orientation demonstrates that at least some influences on adult sexual orientation operate quite early, maybe even before an individual is born. The results also suggest that there may be at least one cause of homosexuality that is common to both gay men and lesbian women. This is in contrast to much other biological research on sexual orientation, which has usually suggested that sexual orientation in men is influenced by different factors than sexual orientation in women.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/...00710071931.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2000/07/000710071931.htm)


In the past, research that examined neurobiological differences between gays and heterosexuals has focused more on males than females. To date, findings implicate differences in brain structures, hand preference and fingerprint patterns. "Our finding reveals the first physiological characteristic related to homosexuality in females," says McFadden.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/...80303064433.htm (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/03/980303064433.htm)

...unless, of course, you "choose" to believe that modern science is a "libertine conspiracy" of "perverts". :lol:

:redstar2000:

The Redstar2000 Papers (http://www.redstar2000papers.fightcapitalism.net)
A site about communist ideas

[Vinny Rafarino]

Originally posted by [email protected] 3 2004, 01:50 AM

And you are nothing more than a nutcase with a psychotic hatred towards homosexuals for some reason.
Come on, cut him some slack&#33;

He is merely suffering form sexual adversion disorder coupled with gender identity disorder; the signs are clear as day.

People like him need our support and acceptance so they can come out with a little dignity and support, they need us to help them celebrate their "rebirth" into society.

[Karo de Perro]

A PM I ll share (til of course its deleted) which &#39;(Comrade RAF)&#39; sent me a little earlier by which he tossed me another warning ... and of course my PM reply to him ...



You&#39;re getting warnings faster than any other person in the history of this board.

Congratulations sister&#33;

Gay power&#33; " ...


My reply -


"The great man will always stand out from the herd ... as for gettin warnings faster,etc ... thats no concern to me,the point is that I possess integrity and those who admire this in men will by nature by drawn to my postings while petty little weakings such as yourself can only whin and complain due to envying in me that which you yourself will never possess ... and even were you fuckwads to ban me the damage to your credibility has been initiated and doubtless others will pick up where I leave off ... this isnt the only forum site Im a member of and Ive already attracted PMers who agree with my idea&#39;s ... so much for your petty maneuvers ... so stick that in your little candy-ass while youre at it. ... now go get bent Comrag Fag

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

I actually don&#39;t want you banned anymore. We all need your super-masculine internet posting to whip our pansy weakling internet posts into shape&#33; O you have noooo idea how much I envy you Karo&#33; Have your way with me and show me what a man really is Karo&#33; As masculine of an internet poster you are, I bet your dick must be twice the size of anyone elses&#33;

[MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr]

Comrag Fag :lol:

[Louis Pio]

Hahahaha this is quite sad but funny at the same time :D

Actually Karo strikes me as something from a manowar text. Considering his need to be hypermasculine.
Using his sword to fight of the evil gays and libertines, hell maybe he can even use it to build that piedestal, he placed himself on, even higher?

[Vinny Rafarino]

I&#39;ve had it with this kid. If I find any more post made by him talking about those dreaded "fags" I will simply delete them.

I&#39;ve had enough.


Closed.