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rahul
1st August 2004, 12:54
does any one support \ believe in hitler ?
if so why? and why have you entered this website?
Karo de Perro
1st August 2004, 13:11
I dont believe in Jesus and I damn sure dont believe in Shitler ... and fuckin Shitlerites have no reason to be at this site ... unless of course they decide to come here and harass everyone ... then again ... I myself have been known to go into their idiot dens in order to belittle their moronic asses ... and Ive been nuked and nuked again ... however ... Im a fuckin radical and this is what we radicals do ... we shake the monkey cages and make all the baboons hiss,piss and throw a fit.
rahul
1st August 2004, 14:24
i can now understand why you are restricted!
Professor Moneybags
1st August 2004, 16:26
Yes, there are quite a few Nazis here. The trouble is, most of them think they're communists.
Anarchist Freedom
1st August 2004, 18:54
To answer your question legitametly without some dumbass answer i will say no!
Nazis are not allowed in this forum because the forum is based out of germany and Malte the owner of the forum would possibly get prosecuted under german law for allowing nazism as nazism is illegal in germany if i am correct.
:che:
hotsexygrl42
1st August 2004, 19:38
I do not think their is any nazis on this board but like nazis commies hate the jews.
ÑóẊîöʼn
1st August 2004, 20:14
Yes, there are quite a few Nazis here. The trouble is, most of them think they're communists.
do not think their is any nazis on this board but like nazis commies hate the jews.
Both of you are such fucking idiots if you think critique of the capitalist system and/or Isreali policies is anything like the tenets of Nazism.
Get a friggin clue or get the hell out.
Misodoctakleidist
1st August 2004, 20:21
Originally posted by
[email protected] 1 2004, 07:38 PM
I do not think their is any nazis on this board but like nazis commies hate the jews.
I've heard that Karl Marx really hated Jews.
Professor Moneybags
1st August 2004, 20:27
Originally posted by Socialist
[email protected] 1 2004, 06:54 PM
Nazis are not allowed in this forum because the forum is based out of germany and Malte the owner of the forum would possibly get prosecuted under german law for allowing nazism as nazism is illegal in germany if i am correct.
Ironic. Banning a political ideology is in itself an endorsement of nazism.
Professor Moneybags
1st August 2004, 20:28
Originally posted by
[email protected] 1 2004, 08:21 PM
I've heard that Karl Marx really hated Jews.
I thought he was Jewish.
Hoppe
1st August 2004, 20:28
Well, since banking in Europe was mostly done by Jews (Rothschild etc) and communists hate bankers, there is bound to be some (or actually a lot of) anti-semitism is socialist/communist writings.
Misodoctakleidist
1st August 2004, 20:30
Originally posted by Professor
[email protected] 1 2004, 08:28 PM
I thought he was Jewish.
Der Dum!
Misodoctakleidist
1st August 2004, 20:31
Originally posted by
[email protected] 1 2004, 08:28 PM
Well, since banking in Europe was mostly done by Jews (Rothschild etc) and communists hate bankers, there is bound to be some (or actually a lot of) anti-semitism is socialist/communist writings.
Actually some people think the reason Hitler was so anti-sematic was due to the over-representation of Jews in the Communist movement.
Edit: It's seems you've fallen into the old anti-sematic stereotype of the "swindling jewish banker," oh the irony.
Vinny Rafarino
1st August 2004, 21:11
Originally posted by
[email protected] 1 2004, 07:38 PM
I do not think their is any nazis on this board but like nazis commies hate the jews.
Lie.
hotsexygrl42
1st August 2004, 21:52
Originally posted by Comrade
[email protected] 1 2004, 09:11 PM
Lie.
No stalin was very anti- Semitic. And i have never met a commie that is pro Israel
Vinny Rafarino
1st August 2004, 21:58
Originally posted by
[email protected] 1 2004, 09:52 PM
No stalin was very anti- Semitic. And i have never met a commie that is pro Israel
Another Lie.
Edit:
You are right about the terrorist State of Isreal however. No leftist in his right mind would support the zionist occupation of palestine.
That however has nothing to so with anti-semitism. Many dolts have attempted to create this connenction in the past; they all failed miserably, of course.
They are usually the same daft twats (much like yourself) that think there is something called the "Jewish race".
The Sloth
1st August 2004, 22:31
Originally posted by Comrade
[email protected] 1 2004, 09:58 PM
Another Lie.
Edit:
You are right about the terrorist State of Isreal however. No leftist in his right mind would support the zionist occupation of palestine.
That however has nothing to so with anti-semitism. Many dolts have attempted to create this connenction in the past; they all failed miserably, of course.
They are usually the same daft twats (much like yourself) that think there is something called the "Jewish race".
Agreed.
By the way, the real anti-Semites are the Zionists during World War II.
Refusing to aid the Jewish people during Hitler's reign for the purpose of establishing a Zionist state...seems political and greedy instead of spiritual to me.
If I were a religious Jew, I would do everything in my power to help fellow Jews out when they are being sent to ovens. I guess Zionists had different plans.
Theodor Herzl, founder of Zionism, had this to say:
"It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends".
- From his Diary, Part I, p. 16
"So anti-Semitism, which is a deeply imbedded force in the subconscious mind of the masses, will not harm the Jews. I actually find it to be advantageous to building the Jewish character, education by the masses that will lead to assimilation. This education can only happen through suffering, and the Jews will adapt."
- From his Diary, Part I, p. 68
And, more contemporary Zionists, during the time of the Holocaust:
"If I am asked, "Could you give from the UJA moneys to rescue Jews,
'I say, NO! and I say again NO!"
- Izaak Greenbaum -- head of Jewish Agency Rescue Committee, February 18, 1943. Addressed to the Zionist Executive Council.
"One Cow in Palestine is worth more than all the Jews in Poland"
- Izaak Greenbaum
Remember that Zionism, while having spiritual roots, does not give a fuck about you! If you're a pro-Israel Jew that believes that the Zionists are really after your interests, think again...political goals will overpower all the "spirituality" in the world.
Guerrilla22
1st August 2004, 23:01
Originally posted by
[email protected] 1 2004, 09:52 PM
No stalin was very anti- Semitic. And i have never met a commie that is pro Israel
I have never met anyone, who knows the Israeli-Palestinian conflict very well, that was pro-Israeli.
Y2A
1st August 2004, 23:25
Hitler would have been a cool guy, if he didn't slaughter all those innocent people.
P.S. Germany's anti-freedom of speech laws make so that no "nazi" can speak on this board.
Karo de Perro
1st August 2004, 23:41
Concerning the idea of Marx being Jewish ... yes he was Jewish,the son of a rabbi even ... and what Marx despised of the Jews was their great emphasis on money and greed - the nucleus and engine of raw capitalism ... this Marx rightly despised in the Jewish people,the fact that they served their money-god ... however,this has NO bearing on any hatred of the Jewish people themselves that Marx supposedly had ... I mean hell ... what rational person would despise their own heritage? ... moreover,to hate one religio-cultural group of people within humanity is to likewise despise humanity as a whole.
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
2nd August 2004, 00:34
Hitler would have been a cool guy, if he didn't slaughter all those innocent people.
That dumbass comment is worthy of a sig spot!
P.S. Germany's anti-freedom of speech laws make so that no "nazi" can speak on this board.
Go cry me a river of swasticas.
Y2A
2nd August 2004, 00:36
That "dumbass comment" was meant to be a dumbass comment. It was a joke.
hotsexygrl42
2nd August 2004, 00:45
Hitler would have been a cool guy, if he didn't slaughter all those innocent people. That is the reason i am no longer a misguided commie.
Bolshevist
2nd August 2004, 01:20
What are you talking about? Hitler was right. We are left. plus and minus. zero and one. on and off. black and white. get the idea?
Essential Insignificance
2nd August 2004, 02:30
Concerning the idea of Marx being Jewish ... yes he was Jewish,the son of a rabbi even
The Great grandson and grandson of Rabbi's.
... and what Marx despised of the Jews was their great emphasis on money and greed - the nucleus and engine of raw capitalism ... this Marx rightly despised in the Jewish people,the fact that they served their money-god
True...kind of.
On the Jewish question was the earliest signals of Marx’s philosophical "shift"; with emphasis being placed on the material and economic conditions of human life. The essay was in reaction to another on religion, and primarily Judaism by Bruno Bauer. Marx hoped to make unambiguous; that it is not the "Sabbath Jew" we should mull over but, the "everyday Jew".
Although, it seems, Marx acknowledged the common stereotyping of Jews as being, "preoccupied" with "wealth and voracity". But Marx describes the Jew as merely a special manifestation of what he calls "civil society Judaism" –that is the dominance in society of bargaining and financial interests.
Marx is, for that reason, suggesting that the abolishment of Judaism is to "reorganise" society so as to abolish bargaining itself.
... however,this has NO bearing on any hatred of the Jewish people themselves that Marx supposedly had ... I mean hell ......
I wouldn’t say that Marx was "proud" nor "ashamed" of his Jewish heritage; he just didn’t care for heritage—it represents nothing!
what rational person would despise their own heritage?
Perhaps, that one should be left to be answered by Hitler.
rahul
2nd August 2004, 04:41
HOW CAN WE TRUST THE NAZIS?
THEY ARE HIGHLY NATIONALISTIC.
THEY WANT THEMSELVES TO BE GREAT AND SUPERB.
THAT BLEADY PRINCIPLE IS NOW BEATEN UP BY
I N T E R N A T I O N A L I S M !!!!
Karo de Perro
2nd August 2004, 04:57
"HOW CAN WE TRUST THE NAZIS?
THEY ARE HIGHLY NATIONALISTIC." ...
jajajajajaja ...
Nazi's were members of the National Socialist German Workers Party(NSDAP) and as such have validity only in accordence to the context of the historical perspective ...
There are NO nazi's upon the earth today nor can there be ... what is witnessed in certain white-extremists is nothing more than a bunch of ignorant fuckwads driven mad with nostalgia and the opportunism of the worst sort who use their supremist thetoric in an effort to mask their own inferiority complex.
The same holds equally true regarding those of today who term themselves as being 'Bolsheviks' ... hell,there was a time when even I considered this notion as perhaps being well-founded but alas,Bolshevism,as with Nazism,is confined to a particular historical era and the context of a cohesive ideology peculiar to a once recognizable body of adherents.
By this reasoning no one can rightly claim to belong to a socio-political faction which has become dissolved in the annals of time-passage.
Y2A
2nd August 2004, 05:06
Originally posted by
[email protected] 2 2004, 04:41 AM
HOW CAN WE TRUST THE NAZIS?
THEY ARE HIGHLY NATIONALISTIC.
THEY WANT THEMSELVES TO BE GREAT AND SUPERB.
THAT BLEADY PRINCIPLE IS NOW BEATEN UP BY
I N T E R N A T I O N A L I S M !!!!
The Caps Lock button is on the left side of your keyboard. Above it is the Tab button and below it is the Shift key.
Essential Insignificance
2nd August 2004, 08:25
There are NO nazi's upon the earth today nor can there be
I think rahul means "neo-Nazi’s"; however I do realize the fallaciousness of this statement. But that’s what they ascribe themselves to be, in most cases.
Regardless of how nonsensical it is.
Misodoctakleidist
2nd August 2004, 09:28
Originally posted by
[email protected] 2 2004, 12:45 AM
That is the reason i am no longer a misguided commie.
Because Y2A makes poor jokes???
Y2A
2nd August 2004, 09:29
Originally posted by
[email protected] 2 2004, 09:28 AM
Because Y2A makes poor jokes???
I disagree, that was a fine joke.
Professor Moneybags
2nd August 2004, 15:02
Originally posted by
[email protected] 2 2004, 01:20 AM
What are you talking about? Hitler was right. We are left. plus and minus. zero and one. on and off. black and white. get the idea?
Let's not start that again.
Hoppe
2nd August 2004, 15:41
Originally posted by Karo de
[email protected] 1 2004, 11:41 PM
Concerning the idea of Marx being Jewish ... yes he was Jewish,the son of a rabbi even ... and what Marx despised of the Jews was their great emphasis on money and greed - the nucleus and engine of raw capitalism ... this Marx rightly despised in the Jewish people,the fact that they served their money-god ... however,this has NO bearing on any hatred of the Jewish people themselves that Marx supposedly had ... I mean hell ... what rational person would despise their own heritage? ... moreover,to hate one religio-cultural group of people within humanity is to likewise despise humanity as a whole.
Seems to me someone didn't pay attention at school. Most Jews were "forced" into banking or trading simply because that were the only jobs available to them. Check google on "judengasse".
hotsexygrl42
3rd August 2004, 00:25
Originally posted by Comrade
[email protected] 1 2004, 09:58 PM
Another Lie.
Edit:
You are right about the terrorist State of Isreal however. No leftist in his right mind would support the zionist occupation of palestine.
That however has nothing to so with anti-semitism. Many dolts have attempted to create this connenction in the past; they all failed miserably, of course.
They are usually the same daft twats (much like yourself) that think there is something called the "Jewish race".
His anti-Semitism surely originated from the long years of struggle with Trotsky and his supporters,. What was originally political hate gradually became a feeling of racial hatred against all Jews, without exception." That was from stalins daughter
Louis Pio
3rd August 2004, 01:42
Hell,this would be a new excuse for homosexuals ...
Once again you show you have some psychotic hate towards homosexuals. With no base in the ideology you claim to uphold.
oh those poor Jews,to have people force them into those financial avenues wherein most money was to be had by the manipulation and exploitation of the labor and productivity of others ... jajajajaja ... have you considered becoming a stand-up comedian?
Do you hate jews too? Just because of what they used to be historically?
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
3rd August 2004, 01:56
Tell me one thing ... Where the fuck is any personal responsibility in such bullshit jargon as this?! ... oh yes ... as fuckwad libertines you all reject any notion of personal responsibility ... thats your fuckin idealic life isnt it ... rights without responsibilities ... what a fucked-up bunch of worthless idiots you are ... if life is nothin more to you than a chaotic existence then no wonder youre such a fuckin miserable lot.
You aren't exactly Mr. Sunshine yourself. :)
Karo de Perro
3rd August 2004, 02:00
Teis - "Do you hate jews too? Just because of what they used to be historically?" ...
My hatred is NOT based on race,nationality or gender ... I simply despise that which is most harmful to society as a whole.
As for the Jewish people,its been speculated that my maternal grandmother herself descended from the Jewish people,regardless this be true or not I have NO cause for which to hate an entire people ... what I am opposed to is philosophies,ideologies and theologies through which men manipulate others for self-interest and by which imperialistic wars are waged and needless lives are sacrificed.
Louis Pio
3rd August 2004, 02:03
My hatred is NOT based on race,nationality or gender ... I simply despise that which is most harmful to society as a whole.
Why then this hate towards homosexuals? They don't damage society, a whole population will never be gay.
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
3rd August 2004, 02:09
They are dangerous to Karo because they make him feel...uncomfortable. :D
hotsexygrl42
3rd August 2004, 02:18
simply despise that which is most harmful to society as a whole. And what is the most harmful thing to your fucked up society?
what I am opposed to is philosophies,ideologies and theologies through which men manipulate others for self-interest and by which imperialistic wars are waged and needless lives are sacrificed. Why are you scared of people who disagree with you Karo de Perro? I am guessing you are a commie so that would you a hypocrit for opposing Ideologie but you have one yourself?
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
3rd August 2004, 02:34
Moreover,I have NO need of emotions in that such is completely irrational and a waste of ones time ... thus I leave all such petty bullshit to you silly little school girls.
WOW! No need for emotions! You must be a reeeally hardcore tough guy now! Your ultramasculinity is making us all horny! Of course, you hate having AIDS around, because you wouldn't want to risk getting infected when you go for a slice of ass do you?
The Sloth
3rd August 2004, 02:58
Originally posted by Karo de
[email protected] 3 2004, 02:25 AM
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr - "They are dangerous to Karo because they make him feel...uncomfortable." ...
Fags are a danger to society because they carry and distribute HIV,theyve accomplished having spread this filthy disease to the heterosexual community via fucked-up bisexuals and drug-users ... but as for them makin me feel uncomfortable ... they dont make me feel anything at all ... when a person knowingly chooses to act like an animal rather than a human being then I dont acknowledge such as human beings ... no more than I acknowledge you lying libertines as being socialists!
Moreover,I have NO need of emotions in that such is completely irrational and a waste of ones time ... thus I leave all such petty bullshit to you silly little school girls.
What do you do for fun, if I may ask?
Vinny Rafarino
3rd August 2004, 03:06
His anti-Semitism surely originated from the long years of struggle with Trotsky and his supporters,. What was originally political hate gradually became a feeling of racial hatred against all Jews, without exception." That was from stalins daughter
Yet another absurd lie, you're on a roll here.
Any more posts containing more homophobic hate material will be immediately deleted. Just like the last three from Karo.
hotsexygrl42
3rd August 2004, 03:11
Originally posted by Comrade
[email protected] 3 2004, 03:06 AM
Yet another absurd lie, you're on a roll here.
prove it
Vinny Rafarino
3rd August 2004, 03:14
Originally posted by
[email protected] 3 2004, 03:11 AM
prove it
What is there for me to prove? You're the one who made the claim; the burden of proof is on you sonny boy.
We can speculate until the end of time about "who said what" and when, does that make it fact? No.
What makes you statement lies is the fact that Stalin enacted legislation to protect Jews and made anti semitism one of the most serious crimes in the USSR.
The fact remains you are simply full of shit. Period.
hotsexygrl42
3rd August 2004, 03:25
What makes you statement lies is the fact that Stalin enacted legislation to protect Jews and made anti semitism one of the most serious crimes in the USSR.
http://yalepress.yale.edu/YupBooks/images/0300084862s.jpg
You should buy and read this book for the truth
http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/viewboo...isbn=0300084862 (http://yalepress.yale.edu/yupbooks/viewbook.asp?isbn=0300084862)
Karo de Perro
3rd August 2004, 03:39
There is every reason to agree with hotsexygrl42 in her statements concerning Stalins hatred of the Jews being coupled with his fierce hatred of Trotsky,I recall how a certain lady of this community in years past would hold a grudge against an entire family simply because one of its members had offended her,this is really quite natural when considered in the context of the human experience and of course the conditioning of ones youth.
The persecution,torture and butchery of Jews in Stalins Russia is claimed to have far exceeded that of the genocidal efforts of Shitler and his henchmen ... strange really when one considers that Marx himself was Jewish as well as a great many leading figures within the original Communism movement.
Again,I see no cause in blatantly callin hotsexygrl42 a LIAR simply because you yourself are not so well-informed as she in such matters ... at least she is making a good effort to educate herself in regards to the historical perspective and realities of the Communist movement and for this she far excels the likes of you.
Vinny Rafarino
3rd August 2004, 03:43
Originally posted by
[email protected] 3 2004, 03:25 AM
http://yalepress.yale.edu/YupBooks/images/0300084862s.jpg
You should buy and read this book for the truth
That book is absolute CRAP. There is not a single shred of actual evidence it it, only opinionated distortions of reality.
There are plenty of them out there. (published by the Hearst family, noted Nazi's)
The persecution,torture and butchery of Jews in Stalins Russia is claimed to have far exceeded that of the genocidal efforts of Shitler and his henchmen ... strange really when one considers that Marx himself was Jewish as well as a great many leading figures within the original Communism movement.
Again,I see no cause in blatantly callin hotsexygrl42 a LIAR simply because you yourself are not so well-informed as she in such matters ... at least she is making a good effort to educate herself in regards to the historical perspective and realities of the Communist movement and for this she far excels the likes of you.
The first paragraph is simple historical revisionism and lies.
As for the second portion of your post, you will never know the extent of my work with and knowledge of the communist party over the last 20 years as you are not a communist, or even a socialist for that matter.
I don't bother arguing with nutters like yourself and "hotsexygirl" here, I merely point out your lies.
And there are a lot of them.
hotsexygrl42
3rd August 2004, 03:56
at least she is making a good effort to educate herself in regards to the historical perspective and realities of the Communist movement and for this she far excels the likes of you. I want to learn about communism not because i belive in it but because my grandmother and grandfather and my parents went through it.
As for the second portion of your post, you will never know the extent of my work with and knowledge of the communist party over the last 20 years as you are not a communist, For awhile i was but my step dad told me the truth about communism
The persecution,torture and butchery of Jews in Stalins Russia is claimed to have far exceeded that of the genocidal efforts of Shitler and his henchmen Can i ask where you got that info from man?
I have my own theory on this but i still ask the question
Why do you believe in communism?
MiDnIgHtMaRaUdEr
3rd August 2004, 04:02
As for the second portion of your post, you will never know the extent of my work with and knowledge of the communist party over the last 20 years as you are not a communist, or even a socialist for that matter.
I wonder which "communist party" you are involved with? I thought you didn't like the CPUSA?
refuse_resist
3rd August 2004, 06:40
Originally posted by
[email protected] 3 2004, 12:25 AM
His anti-Semitism surely originated from the long years of struggle with Trotsky and his supporters,. What was originally political hate gradually became a feeling of racial hatred against all Jews, without exception." That was from stalins daughter
Sources??
I want to learn about communism not because i belive in it but because my grandmother and grandfather and my parents went through it
uhhhhh.... a communist society has yet to exist.
shows how much you know about it :P
Professor Moneybags
3rd August 2004, 15:33
Originally posted by
[email protected] 3 2004, 06:40 AM
uhhhhh.... a communist society has yet to exist.
Is this the one where we all live in peace and harmony despite not having any rights ?
hotsexygrl42
3rd August 2004, 17:38
Originally posted by
[email protected] 3 2004, 06:40 AM
Sources??
uhhhhh.... a communist society has yet to exist.
shows how much you know about it :P
Fine here is my source
http://washingtontimes.com/books/20030816-105043-6895r.htm
Misodoctakleidist
3rd August 2004, 19:53
As amusing as it is to watch equaly ignorant people (Karo, "hotsexygirl" and prof moneybags) "debate" with each other, this post has gone completely off topic.
Professor Moneybags
3rd August 2004, 20:19
I was talking to "refuse resist", wise guy.
Eastside Revolt
3rd August 2004, 21:51
Originally posted by
[email protected] 1 2004, 07:38 PM
I do not think their is any nazis on this board but like nazis commies hate the jews.
I am not a big fan of religion and especially theocracies, however I've got a big problem with dumbass yankees, especially from Washington.
ComradeRed
3rd August 2004, 22:56
Fine here is my source
http://washingtontimes.com/books/20030816-105043-6895r.htm Hey genius, look at what the thread ACTUALLY SAYS:
How STALIN, the 'breaker of nations,' hated, murdered Jews Stalin and trotsky were opposites.
:rolleyes:
refuse_resist
3rd August 2004, 23:54
Originally posted by Professor
[email protected] 3 2004, 03:33 PM
Is this the one where we all live in peace and harmony despite not having any rights ?
No, that's fascism. Please get your facts straight.
Sometimes you really need to think outside of the box, something I have yet to see any of you cappies do.
Karo de Perro
4th August 2004, 00:04
hotsexygrl42 - "I want to learn about communism not because i belive in it but because my grandmother and grandfather and my parents went through it." ...
QUOTE
The persecution,torture and butchery of Jews in Stalins Russia is claimed to have far exceeded that of the genocidal efforts of Shitler and his henchmen
"Can i ask where you got that info from man?
I have my own theory on this but i still ask the question
Why do you believe in communism?" ... ... ...
What your grandparents experienced was NOT communism but rather the repressive regime of Stalin the Betrayer,Mao the Merciless,etc - but NOT communism.
In concerns of the information regarding the supposed butchering of Jews by Stalin,this I had read some time ago at a certain website and its for this cause that I stated "The persecution,torture and butchery of Jews in Stalins Russia is 'CLAIMED' to have far exceeded that of the genocidal efforts of Shitler and his henchmen " ... this I said due to the site having made such a claim without really presenting indepth sources for such an accusation,still,there were purges carried out in Russia,especially the Ukraine,but to what extent and scores of lives lost I cannot rightly say without having researched this matter in great detail.
As for your question regarding 'Why do you believe in communism?' ... I have NEVER claimed to believe in communism or anything else for that matter ... one can be and often are wrong in their beliefs - knowledge is a much sounder basis upon which to establish ones views.
Still,lets investigate the basis of communism ... a definition could be thusly put forth: - a classless society without exploitation or state machinery by which one sector of the population oppresses other sections,a society in which a standing army and professional police and security officers are unnecessary,no use of production for profit or unfair exchange ... a society based on one principle - 'From each according to their ability and to each according to their need'.
Considering this fundamental framework upon which communism is founded as being the full expression of a truly egalitarian society who could possibly object to such a creed?
The degeneration of the Soviet and Chinese revolutions as expressed by the harsh and brutal regimes of Stalin and Mao ze Tung have given rise to a situation wherein its essentially impossible to speak of communism without the general public closing their ears due to the bloodstain and oppression of these harsh dictatorships which carried out their crimes against humanity in the name of communism ... this has led to the mass acceptance that society shall forever be ruled by the bourgeoisie ... a situation known as the 'crisis of theory'.
Comrade Lenin in one of his last writings spoke plainly of his disappointment in the Soviet state apparatus and likewise advised that Stalin be removed as general secretary of the party,of course Lenins words against Stalin were suppressed by Stalin and his cohorts.
It is exactly for this cause,the linking of communism with Stalin the Betrayer,that I personally do NOT claim to be a communist,still,this does NOT hinder me from clinging firmly to the initial tenets of Comrade Lenin and the original Bolshevik party ... as for that ideal society ... who shall build it? ... if not we then who? ... and if we cease to speak of it then its blueprint will become lost to future generations and such a society will never be ...
We can contribute to the creation of such a society,we only need make the effort ... only this ... before a new house can be built on land whereupon an unstable shack stands ... of necessity the old shack must first be razed to the ground ... before all else - Revolution!
Vinny Rafarino
5th August 2004, 02:46
Originally posted by
[email protected] 3 2004, 04:02 AM
I wonder which "communist party" you are involved with? I thought you didn't like the CPUSA?
I wonder which "communist party" you are involved with? I thought you didn't like the CPUSA?
Several of the years.
Why would I ever be associated with the CPUSA?
Professor Moneybags
5th August 2004, 14:15
Originally posted by
[email protected] 3 2004, 11:54 PM
No, that's fascism. Please get your facts straight.
It's also communism too.
Sometimes you really need to think outside of the box, something I have yet to see any of you cappies do.
I have yet to see any of you actually think, never mind outside the box.
Osman Ghazi
5th August 2004, 14:52
It's also communism too.
And here I thought that the fundemental tenet of objectivism was that nothing can be two things at once.
I have yet to see any of you actually think, never mind outside the box.
That's probably because A)You can't see us, and B)even if you could, you can't see someone think. Does that help champ?
Hot Dog Day #84
5th August 2004, 21:53
Originally posted by
[email protected] 1 2004, 12:54 PM
does any one support \ believe in hitler ?
if so why? and why have you entered this website?
im not marxist. which probably means im classed as capitalist here. and therefore probably also classed as nazi too. so sure.
and ive come here because havent talked to any marxists in a while, and so why not.
ÑóẊîöʼn
5th August 2004, 22:53
and therefore probably also classed as nazi too.
Don't be silly. If you are not a racist, then you don't deserve the 'nazi' tag even if you are the most rabid capitalist on the planet.
Professor Moneybags
6th August 2004, 14:37
And here I thought that the fundemental tenet of objectivism was that nothing can be two things at once.
You mean "doesn't contradict itself" ? Communism is totalitarian. Nazism is totalitarian. Where's the contradiction ?
That's probably because A)You can't see us, and B)even if you could, you can't see someone think. Does that help champ?
Silly me I forgot : Marxist = concrete-bound mentality.
Osman Ghazi
6th August 2004, 15:34
You mean "doesn't contradict itself" ? Communism is totalitarian. Nazism is totalitarian. Where's the contradiction ?
Of, relating to, being, or imposing a form of government in which the political authority exercises absolute and centralized control over all aspects of life, the individual is subordinated to the state, and opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed.
For a society to be actually communist, it must be stateless. Hence, not centralized, hence it is impossible for real communism to be totalitarian. Socialism on the other hand is totalitarianism.
Silly me I forgot : Marxist = concrete-bound mentality.
I don't know about that. We discuss our fair share of abstract concepts. But I suppose it is kind of true. Being materialists, our thoughts tend to go back to reality rather than mystical metaphysical concepts. Unlike capitalists who have their heads in the clouds and think anyone can become rich if they try, I know that material conditions dictate that most of the population will live in poverty for the rest of their lives.
mark_d
9th August 2004, 05:02
wait a minute . . . prof moneybags is starting to make sense!!! But isn't money evil? I ask b/c i'm a moron who has no concept of human rights
Professor Moneybags
9th August 2004, 15:42
Originally posted by
[email protected] 9 2004, 05:02 AM
wait a minute . . . prof moneybags is starting to make sense!!! But isn't money evil? I ask b/c i'm a moron who has no concept of human rights
What do you mean "starting" ?
V.I.Lenin
9th August 2004, 15:53
'any nazis in this forum?'
such vile despisers of humanity have about as much need being in here as a nun would have being in a brothel.
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