Malcom X quote

[Hiero]

What did X mean by when he said something like "we didnt land on plymoth rock plymoth rock landed on us"

[DaCuBaN]

Is it not in reference to the fact that the vast majority of africans in america ended up there by means other than of their own choice?

[Hampton]

Our forefathers weren't the Pilgrims. We didn't land on Plymouth Rock; the rock was landed on us. We were brought here against our will; we were not brought here to be made citizens. We were not brought here to enjoy the constitutional gifts that they speak so beautifully about today. Because we weren't brought here to be made citizens--today, now that we've become awakened to some degree, and we begin to ask for those things which they say are supposedly for all Americans, they look upon us with a hostility and unfriendliness.

They did not have the luxury of coming here by their own free will, they were captured from Africa and brought here. So when he says it landed on us, it means we got fucked and literally had a rock land on your shoulders and have to carry that burden with being a slave and everything that came with it and after it.

[Socialsmo o Muerte]

Whenever I see a post about Malcolm I know Hampton will beat me to answering any questions!

I was preparing the exact same answer he gave you! You need look no further than he for answers on black history!

[Kurai Tsuki]

Originally posted by comrade [email protected] 29 2004, 05:52 AM
What did X mean by when he said something like "we didnt land on plymoth rock plymoth rock landed on us"
I thought it would have been obvious.

He meant in part that Africans didn't benifit from the discovery of the Americas the way the Europeans did, Plymoth rock landing on Africans refers to slavery and bad social conditions for African Americans.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by Kurai [email protected] 30 2004, 09:41 PM
I thought it would have been obvious.

He meant in part that Africans didn't benifit from the discovery of the Americas the way the Europeans did, Plymoth rock landing on Africans refers to slavery and bad social conditions for African Americans.
Im from Australia and know little of american history i did not know that Plymoth rock was a place for the landing of europeans.

[pandora]

Originally posted by Kurai [email protected] 31 2004, 01:11 AM
I thought it would have been obvious.

He meant in part that Africans didn't benifit from the discovery of the Americas the way the Europeans did, Plymoth rock landing on Africans refers to slavery and bad social conditions for African Americans.
I concur with the other examples, but would make it more pointed.

Plymouth Rock landed on Black People, and here I will say Black People as opposed to African Americans because they had been stolen from Africa and were not seen as citizens of America at this time they were only known by the color of their skin a sad fact which must be understood.

The darkness in this quote is profound. It landed on them, it crushed them: mind, body, and soul.
The colonization of the South only succeeded because the rock that the pilgrims strode upon was flat on the back of the Black man and the Red Man.

Without these people under the rock the White man would have starved to death.
It's more akin to dropping a boulder on a person obliverating them and then standing upon it saying "look I'm on top"

That is the feeling and reality imparted by this quote.

Let's not make it petty or soft.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 5 2004, 11:51 PM
I concur with the other examples, but would make it more pointed.

Plymouth Rock landed on Black People, and here I will say Black People as opposed to African Americans because they had been stolen from Africa and were not seen as citizens of America at this time they were only known by the color of their skin a sad fact which must be understood.

The darkness in this quote is profound. It landed on them, it crushed them: mind, body, and soul.
The colonization of the South only succeeded because the rock that the pilgrims strode upon was flat on the back of the Black man and the Red Man.

Without these people under the rock the White man would have starved to death.
It's more akin to dropping a boulder on a person obliverating them and then standing upon it saying "look I'm on top"

That is the feeling and reality imparted by this quote.

Let's not make it petty or soft.

Without these people under the rock the White man would have starved to death

They wouldnt of starved they would have just done the work themselves.

[Seraph]

had it not been for the Native Americans, the european "settlers" would've starved. That's what the whole "Thanksgiving" feast crap is all about. So in essence, had it not been for the two groups that the Europeans fucked the most, Natives and Africans, there would be no U.S.A.

[Hiero]

Originally posted by [email protected] 7 2004, 04:45 PM
had it not been for the Native Americans, the european "settlers" would've starved. That's what the whole "Thanksgiving" feast crap is all about. So in essence, had it not been for the two groups that the Europeans fucked the most, Natives and Africans, there would be no U.S.A.
So you saying they would have made no attempts to gather and hunt, they wouldnt of starvedn they would of just done the work themselves.

[Lacrimi de Chiciură]

The pilgrims didn't have any slaves, they were there all winter with essentially no food and then the indians gave them food and a feast and taught them how to live in America. Then they killed they were killed becaused the settlers 'needed it more' than the natives.

[socialistfuture]

such irony