War with Iran?

[Subversive Pessimist]

There seems to be a lot of tensions in the air. Everyone is blaming Iran. Even the US-appointed interim Iraqi Defence Minister Hazim Shaalan warned of invading Iran if it did not stop interfering in his country's internal politics.

Do you think there will be a war against Iran? These are the recent stories:


Israrel has completed military rehearsals for a pre-emptive strike against Iran's nuclear power facility at Bushehr (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1090121780879)


Iran has responded to regional and Israeli threaths of attack by vowing to destroy Israel if it attacks the Islamic republic's nuclear facilities (http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/34649B2E-1F61-4AA5-BDC0-B94DBA3FEEEA.htm)


Bush has promised that if re-elected in November he will make regime change in Iran his new target. (http://www.sundayherald.com/43461)

Also read:

Israel extend new anti-Arab law (http://www.aljazeera.com/cgi-bin/news_service/middle_east_full_story.asp?service_id=2765)

[Rex_20XD6]

A war with Iran and America could happen. Bush went to Iraq without strong evidence. What stopping him from going into Iran?

[bunk]

In my opinion no. The US are bogged down in Iraq and don't have the manpower to take the bigger country of Iran.
Iran's armed forces are much better than Saddam Husseins were at the start of the latest gulf war. They have planes that could actually contest the US for a while in the air . Even if they only took down one US plane it would dent Americas reputation of a unbeatable air force. The Iranians have some money so unlike Saddam Hussein since 1991 they have been able to buy Russian weapons.
They have scud missiles like Iraq but also Hawk surface to air missiles and anti-tank missiles.

[Subversive Pessimist]

Well. Bush hopes for creating a revolution in Iran. I think they would create a rebellion, after there is chaos, they would give the rebels air support, and move in a few battalions, or perhaps divisions ["in order to secure stability"]. Most likely they will receive arms from the US, nonetheless. Another option, would be having Iraq's Army, the divisions of US troops, creating a revolution in Iran, plus Israel attacking Iran at the same time. I think Iran would give up pretty fast if that was to happen.

[bunk]

If the U.S incite a rebellion among the people who don't like Islamic statethey won't publicly appear to be doing anything i think. They will just supply them and give intelligence to them even maybe make covert bombings for them but they wouldn't do it so the world's newspapers could put a picture on their front page of the U.S bombing Iran to oblivion.
If this happens I think the Islamic leadership will turn the place into a police state and huge civilian loss of life will occur as the Iran leadership put down the rebellion by killing anyone involved with it.

[bunk]

If the U.S incite a rebellion among the people who don't like Islamic statethey won't publicly appear to be doing anything i think. They will just supply them and give intelligence to them even maybe make covert bombings for them but they wouldn't do it so the world's newspapers could put a picture on their front page of the U.S bombing Iran to oblivion.
If this happens I think the Islamic leadership will turn the place into a police state and huge civilian loss of life will occur as the Iran leadership put down the rebellion by killing anyone involved with it. There would be scenes of mass slaughters.

[Kurai Tsuki]

I wrote this on the occassion of the U.S. invasion of Iraq, it seems to be becoming a reality now-


As justification to the invasion of Iraq, Bush not only mentioned weapons of mass destruction but a the many atrocities Saddam has committed against his own people, all of them true. But what he fails to mention is that during the period of the 1980s the US government was Saddam’s main source of support, using him to wage war against the nationalistic state of Iran, and that if the American troops actually do find any weapons of mass destruction or components of them, they will probably be ones that were made using the US aid to Saddam. Iraq was not exactly a righteous war on the part of the American government as Bush/Blair/Howard would have the dessentors believe but actually the American government correcting the damage which it has done to Iraq through its support of a tyrant like Saddam. What concerns me is not the US invasion of Iraq but that the government would then try to invade a more nationalistic country, one that is proudly independent of American corruption, such as Iran or Syria. President Asad of Syria said openly at the Arab League meeting that Arabs do not need to depend on the West, that they should not beg Westerners for approval but instead look into their own roots and use their own judgement to make choices. Big surprise that he would be a target eh? For the case of Iran it would seem that for the past twenty years it has been like the Cuba of the middle east, a country that violently and proudly overthrew a US backed dictatorship and set up a republic, and decided from the start that it would not be one of America’s client-states.

The American government learned after the attempted invasion of Vietnam that it is best to avoid a war which is unjustifiable, (with the exception of Granada) It could be said that Iraq may have been used as a decoy, a cause for which anti-war protestors could expend much of their energy, then, after the war is over and a dictatorship has been removed the American government would move to invade areas that are less justifiable than Iraq (Iran and Syria). Then, if any nations or activist groups would complain about this policy, the government would make make a statement something to the effect of, “you complained about the invasion of Iraq, and now we removed a dictatorship, why don't you just trust us?”

The purpose of this article is to be a reminder that the American and commonwealth governments (UK/Australia) work in some very sneaky and subversive ways, its best not to focus all of your leftist energy on Iraq but rather to start pointing out the possibility and working on the prevention of an invasion of the more nationalistic countries in the Middle East, for these are America’s true targets.

[Guerrilla22]

There is a massive amount of tension in the air, sources from various different agencies throughout the world, including the International Atomic Energy Comm., have declared that Iran has restarted its nuclear power program, backing out of an earlier agreement to halt the program with the IAC.

As far as the US goes, Bush is spewing bullshit, there's no way in hell the US will be capable of deploying an invasion force to take over Iran, within the next 5 to 6 years, its just not possible, logisitcally or financially.

Israel, on the other hand, could very well take action, remeber their pre-emptive strike on a nuclear reactor under construction in Iraq in '89? Israeli Special Forces have also been supposedly trainning with US special ops, planning out a raid/mission to destroy the Irania reactor. If Iran and Israel did go to war, Iran would get ahnililated, it wouldn't even be close, Israel has far and away, the Middle-East's strongest and most technologically advanced army. (Thanks largely, in part to the US)

[caliban]

The one thing to remember when it comes to Iran is the fact that they haven't been beaten down by 10 years of UN sanctions and strike after strike against their AA positions. Iran has a very capible navy and have the equipment to pose a serious threat. The last l read they had purchased 2 Alpha, 2 Akula, and 4 Kilo class attack subs from Russia.
Also there is a very odd development from the first Gulf war that nmobody seems to address. Why, after fighting a 10 year war with Iran, would Iraq fly the bulk of their air force to Iran when the bombs started dropping? Sure a lot of planes were destroyed on the ground, but quite a few front line fighters and attack bombers were flown to Iran. Why? Does it fall back on "my enemy's enemy is my friend"?
Read the book, "Biohazard" by Ken Alibeck and you can also see that Iran has been trying very hard to recruit the bio/chem scientists that were employed at Biopreparat and Vector in Russia.
The very last thing that the Americans should do now is try to bully Iran into submission.

[Severian]

Originally posted by [email protected] 29 2004, 08:25 PM
Why, after fighting a 10 year war with Iran, would Iraq fly the bulk of their air force to Iran when the bombs started dropping? Sure a lot of planes were destroyed on the ground, but quite a few front line fighters and attack bombers were flown to Iran. Why? Does it fall back on "my enemy's enemy is my friend"?.
One explanation would be that Iraqi pilots chose to fly to Iran rather than get killed going up against the USAF.

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War against Iran is more of a medium-term prospect; as others have said they would be more difficult than Iraq. Various other forms of pressure, including covert ops, are likely short term.

Among other things, the U.S. is harboring an Iranian armed group, the Mujahedeen Khalq (MKO), in Iraq. Despite the State Dept. admitting they are "terrorists."

The MKO/National Council of the Iranian Resistance are a once-leftist group who for many years have acted as an arm of the Iraqi regime again Iran, and as part of Baghdad's security forces domestically. They are often quoted in the big-business media as a source for various accusations about Iran's nuclear program.

The latest development is Washington declaring the MKO are "protected persons" under the Geneva Convention; (http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0729/p07s01-wome.html) it looks less likely than ever that Washington will extradite them to Iran. Another little example of the hypocrisy of the war between terrorists.

[imperator]

it makes one wonder, bush can get elected even though supposedly he didnt win by popular vote. bush can destroy the economy of a floorishing world power. bush can wage a war for no good reason... these all seem like the powers of a monarch to me! isn't the usa government built so that this cant happen?
war with iran would be a foolish waste of life and money that would result in no one gaining anything. if the usa government goes to war with iran , then i will go to war with the us government, and i suspect many others shall do the same.